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orsemaj

Trad climber
Washington, DC
Dec 11, 2009 - 05:49pm PT
I live on Coronado Island, California. I have plenty of interactions swimming with the SEAL team members at the local highschool pool and they are all great guys. I also have a few friends that have gone through the SEALs officer BUD/s training.

Most of all I have also been lucky enough to have lived next door to three SEAL cadets while they were in their BUD/S training. These young men were just the nicest group I have recently had the pleasure to meet. Very humble and kind souls. They are now off on their first tour and I wish them all the best, and my thoughts are with them and their families.



bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2009 - 06:02pm PT
My brother-in-law lives on Coronado too. It's that big 2-story brick house that backs up to the base. Cool guy, name's Doug. Mc P's is a cool pub too!
Double D

climber
Dec 11, 2009 - 06:09pm PT
bluering... did you get a chance to check out their obstacle course on the beach? It's pretty wild looking.

Werner: I remember when the Survival of the Fittest was taking place and this bad-ass-looking Marine (one of the competitors) walked into the Four Seasons...Dale and I though it was all over for Ron. This guy had veins on veins. Even his forehead had muscles bulging out of it. During the competition he flopped like a rag doll though and Ron, had he not pissed a certain producer during the river swim, would have won hands down.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2009 - 06:22pm PT
Double D, I think I did but I didn't get a close look at it. You can see them sometimes off the beach though, jumping out of helos for some kind of training.

My brother-in-law gets to watch during 'hell week' of their training. Pretty brutal. A team has to carry a Zodiac filled with sand a couple of miles from a spot on the base, through town, down to the beach.

Coronado's a pretty cool place.

Haven't seen that ad, Cragman.

Oh wait! this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmta7GwXCpo

Hahhaa!
WBraun

climber
Dec 11, 2009 - 06:22pm PT
What happened was the bad ass military guy went all ooohrah ooohrah and jumped into the river and almost died.

Kauk told him it's too dangerous and the guy went anyways and got sucked under "Death Rock" and never came back up for a long time.

Everyone thought he was toast. The guy thought he was toast also.

The minute he gave up and thought he was going to die and drown he stopped fighting the hole and relaxed and his feet miraculously made contact with something and he was able to push off and shoot out of the hole.

He came within seconds of drowning to death.

Bachar was on top of death rock to "maybe save" the guy just in case.

Nobody was going to jump in the river at that spot because everyone could see they'd die too that day.

The funniest part was Lynn Hill and all the women just breezed through that same event like they were floating down the Merced river in August.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2009 - 06:27pm PT
Here's a newer, edited version, Cragman...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7HPYZdIKL0

I knew it must have been SEALs who nabbed that bad-guy in Somalia...Check out the guy on the wing of the Apache!
WBraun

climber
Dec 11, 2009 - 06:27pm PT
Well coz the seal guy came in last and broke both legs to boot during the survival run.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2009 - 06:35pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf_Z5p9SbPQ&feature=related


This one's pretty cool, about halfway through they launch a boat from the back of a plane and chute in after it. Cool stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhzRYMz3cwU&feature=related

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFE-vF8SpuU&NR=1&feature=fvwp
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Dec 11, 2009 - 07:02pm PT
Honoring someone includes valuing their life. If you believe the war is wrong, then it isn't honoring them to sit idly by and let them die without fighting for them. If you really thought that a war was a waste, would you just shut up and let your son or daughter go to die while others go "hoo rah"? I don't think so. You would tell your son or daughter that you loved them and you would do everything you could to get them out of harms way. That is honoring them.


Thanks go to my brother Mike and my dad for their military service in war time. My brother served during Vietnam, and I supported him by fighting against that war. My father served in the pacific during WW2.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2009 - 07:31pm PT
What makes the SEALs (and other special forces for that matter) really a unique asset to the US is their efficiency. Instead of sending tons of Marines or Rangers (God bless 'em), a SEAL team can accomplish amazing missions and never be detected, whether it's demolition, snatch-n-grabs, or 'scrubbing' someone.

In a sense, they get the job done with a small footprint.

The Somalia dude...
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/09/senior_al_qaeda_lead_7.php

SEAL sharpshooters and pirates and the rescue
http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/04/us-navy-seal-sharpshooters-took-out.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123953580718311447.html



The recent event in Falluja was ballsy. 3 guys go in to snatch a known terrorist from his turf. And the only reason the rat is alive is because the SEALs were probably told to do it that way.


The petition again.

http://www.indianadan.com/savetheseals

and the story;
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/navy-seals-fallujah-blackwater.html

WandaFuca

Social climber
From the gettin place
Dec 11, 2009 - 08:09pm PT
Bump for SEALS who don't ask, they just DO!


. . . what they are told.


What if they're told to jump in the river to retrieve someone's shoes?

So they don't ask, they just DO and they just DIE, and they were BADASS, but was it worth it?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 11, 2009 - 08:34pm PT
I don't remember saying anything negative about the Seals.

But the defenders of status quo abuse of the military here rarely show they care for the welfare of the troops. Why no discussion of how DU, gulf war syndrome and other issues need more support to keep these guys from being walking poison dumps when they return home.

Actually you are regarding them almost like the quarterbacks of your favorite football teams, taking vicarious pride in being a fan of a superstrong winning team. Make you feel good about your place in the world.

Meanwhile, the seals aren't able to make much dent in the FUBAR messes we're in. 8 years in Afghanistan and our own top soldier says we're losing. One of the Taliban's main sources of income comes from protection money our own military (and their contractors) are paying to insure safe passage of convoys on roads in enemy territory.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091130/roston

It was bad enough when we armed Al Queda and Bin Laden in the first place in Afghanistan, but then we invaded and we're still paying the enemy.

What does this have to do with the Seals? Nothing if you regard them as folk heros and not guys getting the shaft in a very, real, violent way. This culture of "support the troops" by cheerleading the mission, no matter how flawed, simply needs rebuking.


Peace

Karl

Edit: from that link

"...In this grotesque carnival, the US military's contractors are forced to pay suspected insurgents to protect American supply routes. It is an accepted fact of the military logistics operation in Afghanistan that the US government funds the very forces American troops are fighting. And it is a deadly irony, because these funds add up to a huge amount of money for the Taliban. "It's a big part of their income," one of the top Afghan government security officials told The Nation in an interview. In fact, US military officials in Kabul estimate that a minimum of 10 percent of the Pentagon's logistics contracts--hundreds of millions of dollars--consists of payments to insurgents...."

"...The real secret to trucking in Afghanistan is ensuring security on the perilous roads, controlled by warlords, tribal militias, insurgents and Taliban commanders. The American executive I talked to was fairly specific about it: "The Army is basically paying the Taliban not to shoot at them. It is Department of Defense money." That is something everyone seems to agree on...."

"...The bizarre fact is that the practice of buying the Taliban's protection is not a secret. I asked Col. David Haight, who commands the Third Brigade of the Tenth Mountain Division, about it. After all, part of Highway 1 runs through his area of operations. What did he think about security companies paying off insurgents? "The American soldier in me is repulsed by it," he said in an interview in his office at FOB Shank in Logar Province. "But I know that it is what it is: essentially paying the enemy, saying, 'Hey, don't hassle me.' I don't like it, but it is what it is."

Wars are so much about Money. Killing for it, dying for oil, and keeping the war machine churning.
Morgan

Trad climber
East Coast
Dec 11, 2009 - 08:37pm PT
SEALs and Drones kick ass.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/12/11/pakistan.qaeda.operative/index.html
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 11, 2009 - 08:39pm PT
I don't get it Morgan. That link was only about a guy killed by a drone.

Which is how the military is replacing a lot of special forces missions, by robots.

Not saying whether that's good or bad, just sayin that's the war of the future, not guys throwing boats out of helicopters, but robots.

Peace

Karl
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2009 - 09:15pm PT
The SEALs prolly had identified the target, Karl, from afar. Called it in to the CIA in Pak and BOOM, one more bad-guy gone.
Morgan

Trad climber
East Coast
Dec 11, 2009 - 09:16pm PT
Not much to get other than I like both SEALs and Drones. You are right about un-manned platforms being the future, since the capabilities of fighter aircraft now far exceed a human beings ability to withstand G-Forces. The question is will technology be used with responsibility or will the world look more like TERMINATOR 2.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 11, 2009 - 11:12pm PT
Yes Morgan

This automation of war will make things safer for us as long as we fight third world powers without this kind of technology.

The world keeps moving though and soon tech will be the provence of terrorists who can concoct biological weapons and sneak them anywhere. We better grow up in diplomacy both here and in other countries so we don't inflict these great powers on each other for much longer.

As the technology of death becomes more powerful and stealthy, it changes the equation in unexpected ways. When guns became ubiquitous, martial arts stopped becoming very effective for defense. Someday Seals will be up against trickier threats than IEDs.

Humanity must change sooner than later or we're hosed. Seems like it could go either way at this point.

peace

Karl
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 11, 2009 - 11:13pm PT
Bluering, interesting stuff about the drones find their targets from

http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-amp-space/article/2009-06/predator-drone


"..New information is coming to light about how the US military has been directing their bombing attacks by unmanned drone aircrafts via small microchip beacons. These microchips, planted by hand by spies around the homes or meeting places of Al-Qaeda agents, send signals identifying targets for destruction, much like laser designators for smart bombs.

One of the most difficult aspects in the war being conducted in Pakistan is obtaining accurate, real-time intelligence, accessing the region, and ultimately attacking the threat. However, in the remote and mountainous regions of Waziristan and the Swat Valley in Pakistan, populated by factious tribes that may or may not be housing Al-Qaeda operatives, this has proven difficult. Over the past several years the US military has launched many missile attacks by the drone aircrafts, which have solved the problem of the access and the attack. The microchips, called “parthai” by locals, meaning “metal device” in Pashto, have solved the issue of intelligence. The chips are placed by local tribesmen, who are paid by the CIA and who have a more intimate knowledge of the community and targets."

The weird thing is that military is hardly involved in acquiring the targets or even using the drones. It's the CIA and Private industry! from

http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=8692

" From a secret division at its North Carolina headquarters, the company formerly known as Blackwater has assumed a role in Washington’s most important counterterrorism program: the use of remotely piloted drones to kill Al Qaeda’s leaders, according to government officials and current and former employees.

The division’s operations are carried out at hidden bases in Pakistan and Afghanistan, where the company’s contractors assemble and load Hellfire missiles and 500-pound laser-guided bombs on remotely piloted Predator aircraft, work previously performed by employees of the Central Intelligence Agency. They also provide security at the covert bases, the officials said.

The role of the company in the Predator program highlights the degree to which the CIA now depends on outside contractors to perform some of the agency’s most important assignments. And it illustrates the resilience of Blackwater, now known as Xe (pronounced Zee) Services, though most people in and outside the company still refer to it as Blackwater. It has grown through government work, even as it attracted criticism and allegations of brutality in Iraq..."

Peace

Karl

Edit, Interesting debate on drones in a conservative rag

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/sep/01/00016/
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2009 - 02:46pm PT
Yeah, Karl, I've heard that too. About the small chips getting placed by 'spies'.

The CIA has full permission from the Paks to operate a drone base in their borders. The whole Pak gov't response that we're invading their borders illegally is just for internal consumption. They Paks actually want us to give them drones but we said, "nah', we'll operate them, just give us a base in country.

The story's out there, you just gotta look for it. The CIA dudes can't even leave their base or be seen for obvious reasons. Whitey in Pakiland raises suspicion.

Bottom line - we're getting it done with Pakistan. 3 successful strikes in 2 weeks. We just need to get more of our guys on the AFPak border to prevent the rats from abandoning the Pak ship.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 12, 2009 - 05:34pm PT
Hey, I have a former Navy SEAL I would like to celebrate!


Here is a new tv series with Jesse Ventura former Navy SEAL, pro-wrestler, and former Governor of Minnesota. This is very well done:

Conspiracy Theory: 911 Episode 2 part1/6
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8834&title=Conspiracy_Theory__911_Episode_2_part1_6&vpkey=9b9ddf3879

2/6
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8835&title=Conspiracy_Theory__911_Episode_2_part2_6&vpkey=9b9ddf3879

3/6
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8836&title=Conspiracy_Theory__911_Episode_2_part3_6&vpkey=9b9ddf3879

4/6
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8837&title=Conspiracy_Theory__911_Episode_2_part4_6&vpkey=9b9ddf3879

5/6
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8838&title=Conspiracy_Theory__911_Episode_2_part5_6&vpkey=9b9ddf3879

6/6
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8839&title=Conspiracy_Theory__911_Episode_2_part_6_6&vpkey=9b9ddf3879


This series with Jesse V. is really good. Well done, and new information is revealed that I hadn't heard before.

Now here is a real hero. Talking truth to power.
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