By the way Tom Frost says Hello!


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Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 6, 2007 - 01:34am PT
I have been fortunate enough to have vocal correspondence with him weekly! He says hi and is not comfortable with the internet. I offered to pass on his messages. Any questions?

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
Oct 6, 2007 - 01:37am PT
I missed him last week. When is he coming by for beers?

I wanna hear some Don Whillans stories from the South Face of Annapurna! Where else can you get the real deal, man?

WHILLANS! We want Whillans!
Donny... the OHHH!- Riginal

Sport climber
Liberal, KS
Oct 6, 2007 - 01:40am PT
I would like to thank him for giving us jewels such as this:

"Ah, when to the heart of man
Was it ever less than a treason
To go with the drift of things
To yield with a grace to reason
And bow and accept at the end
Of a love or a season."

Oct 6, 2007 - 02:11am PT
Tom Frost has a jewel of a heart.

Such a fine man .....
John Moosie

Oct 6, 2007 - 02:13am PT
I didn't know Tom was a Reverend.
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2007 - 02:15am PT
Pete, He does not drink beers and will bring his own water. Any questions for him? This could be huge!

Alex Perry

Trad climber
Oct 6, 2007 - 03:49am PT
That link is not the same Tom Frost, though the real Yosemite Frost is an LDS High Priest.

Frost was too much of a tea-totaller for Whillans. Whillans related more to Pratt and Ament and Bridwell.
Alex Perry

Trad climber
Oct 6, 2007 - 03:57am PT
Ken, aren't you the one who spearheaded the Camp 4 stuff with Frost? Didn't Ament help with the documents and writings? I think I saw some writing of his on the internet somewhere on the subject. Is the park service still trying to build things against everyone's wishes?

Social climber
The West
Oct 6, 2007 - 04:26am PT
Thanks for more than I can bring up.

One thing I will always recall is a slideshow he gave us at a CMC event in Chicago (annapurna?) circa 1970 that ended with his reinactment of the spitting blessing he received from a budhist monk/tibetan holy man (these details!) at the time I didn't know about his own religous place but was impressed with his acceptance of some one else's very different take on things. Now that I've lived in Utah I am even more impressed.
Also, thanks for introducing me (a snot-nosed 14yr old) to Harding/Caldwell at same event. "These guys just came from a really, big adventure..." My impression was that he valued other people's journeys with out judgement on their differences ... I've tried to keep some of that.

Big Wall climber
South Side Billburg
Oct 6, 2007 - 11:23am PT
Donny, that would be Robert, not Tom...

Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
Oct 6, 2007 - 11:36am PT
Tom is a good photographer. When I put up his website we designed it around his classic photos. There's one on every page and a photo gallery also.

Pete - you asked about the South Face of Annapurna....

Best, Kim
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2007 - 11:40am PT

When Tom makes a promise, he keeps it.


Edit: Alex, that was all Tom's doing. I only supported it.

Gym climber
Oct 6, 2007 - 11:45am PT
I saw Tom and Royal at the Facelift opening--such great folks!

He's heard it a bunch, I bet (and from me), but I REALLY want to thank him for his time in making "Sunnyside" Camp 4 again.

Oct 6, 2007 - 12:42pm PT
This would seem to be off topic – but it really isn’t.

In Netflix’s “Crude Awakening” I think it was the Professor
from Cal Tech who believes the planet can support on the
order of two billion people in the absence of petroleum.
Presently there are some six billion people. Eighty years is
probably a good estimate of the time for oil to be largely

Which means young people alive today are going to be in
the middle of it.

My question. How and when do you think individual people
might start putting this problem on their radar screens?

I calculate a birth rate of 1.3 is needed which compares well
with Germany’s present voluntary rate of 1.3-1.4 and with
China’s compulsory rate of 1.0.

The film I mentioned is well worth watching. One telling bit.
One of the Cal Tech professor’s grad students said to him,
“Let me see. Do I have this right? You are telling me my
grandchildren will never fly in an airplane? The prof. replied,
“Quite probably.”
Donny... the OHHH!- Riginal

Sport climber
North Face of El Cap
Oct 6, 2007 - 09:09pm PT
He may be Robert to you...but he'll always be Tom to the rest of us....

Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
Oct 7, 2007 - 02:59am PT
Thanks for saying those things about Frost. Someone else said, "Tom is a good photographer." Good? That's ridiculously understated. Frost and Denny were in a league of their own, true masters of the art.

Something to pass on to Frost for me that he'll understand:
"Tom, feel the spirit. It's never too late."

Pat Ament
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2007 - 04:34am PT
Thanks Pat,

We haven't met yet. I hope that will change in the future and I will pass your message on to him. I talk to him more than my own father and I talk plenty.


Trad climber
Oct 7, 2007 - 11:21am PT
Tom Frost, what an honor to have him say hello to us!
Please post more pictures of his. They are great!
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 7, 2007 - 11:31am PT
Anastasia, This one is for you.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 7, 2007 - 01:00pm PT
Three modest climbing legends, together for the first time - John Stannard, Tom Frost, Royal Robbins. All climbers owe a great deal to them for their vision and leadership.
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