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wilcox510

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 19, 2007 - 03:15pm PT
Heading to J-Tree next week, driving down Saturday, and picking my friend up at the Palm Springs airport that night. I'm thinking it would be easiest to just find a campsite pretty close to Palm Springs (preferably free) that night, then head into the park Sunday morning. Dont really need anything more than a place to park the truck. Any suggestions for campsites?
susan peplow

climber
www.joshuatreevacationhomes.com
Sep 19, 2007 - 04:40pm PT
Here's a link to the BLM map for that area. Go wild.

http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/blm/ca/pdf/pdfs/palmsprings_pdfs.Par.95f10df4.File.dat/sr-sj-natmon-bluebound.pdf

You could also drive out east on I-10 and access the Park via the Cottonwood Entrance. As soon as you exit off of I-10 to the north is BLM land and legal bivy. It's only about 45 minutes through the park to Intersection Rock from there and a beautiful drive if you've never done it before.

Then again, it only takes 50 minutes from the airport to J-Tree. Surely you guys will still have that much left in you. You could then utilize the camping in the park or free camping at the Dry Lake Bed near Indian Cove.

~Susan
wilcox510

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2007 - 05:04pm PT
Yeah we could drive 50 minutes, but being a Saturday night I was guessing that camping in the park could be hard to come by. I've only been to Hidden Valley before, I would assume it will be full that night. Would other sites in the park likely be open? Thanks for the info.
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Sep 19, 2007 - 05:32pm PT
"you're stealth and pack a bit of heat right? Just past the wind farms"...

Russ is asking these IMPORTANT questions because he and I NEED to know were you all will be...

We're planning on "Rolling you"...

it's the NEW "Welcome to Jtree" tradition...

you'll be our FIRST customers...

NO CREDIT CARDS PLEASE!!!...

Only cash...
wilcox510

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2007 - 05:54pm PT
I'll be sure to bring my slingshot. Sorry Locker, but I only use travelers checks on climbing trips.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 19, 2007 - 06:19pm PT
Maybe they're not after money,...
wilcox510

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2007 - 06:30pm PT
hmmmm. is this the desert version of "Deliverance"?
spud

climber
Sep 19, 2007 - 08:35pm PT
Section Six,

Right off Park blvd. Take a left on Onaga Trail Road. Headed there myself in a few weeks.
wilcox510

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2007 - 10:32pm PT
spud - is that in Palm Springs or where?
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
Sep 19, 2007 - 11:50pm PT
Where you coming from wilcox?
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Sep 20, 2007 - 12:37am PT


" Secret' Section Six.







MisterE

Social climber
Across town from Easy Street
Sep 20, 2007 - 01:00am PT
That looks sweet, Todd!

I remeber poaching the resort pools/tubs a few years ago. Bringing my own towel and finding the back way in...but then back to the Tree.
HighGravity

climber
Southern Cali
Sep 20, 2007 - 02:45am PT
I want to go to where those pics are taken!!!
spud

climber
Sep 20, 2007 - 09:04am PT
Get to section six via park blvd. (as if you are headed into the Park from the town of Joshua Tree). Beware, you must be practically invisible while camping in section six. Another alternative is hiking out on the boy scout trail (in the Park) and camping.
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Sep 20, 2007 - 11:48am PT
Avoid SECTION SIX...

go to "Area 51" instead...

(Behind the College)...
wilcox510

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2007 - 02:58pm PT
Mtnmun - Im coming from Salt Lake, with a stopover in Riverside.
v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 20, 2007 - 09:05pm PT
I hate to be a jerk but this season everytime I see somone camping in section six I will be contacting the sheriff. Growing up here and watching the degredation of the area (section six and other areas near JT)has really struck a nerve. There are other free places to camp, BLM, Wal-Mart, climbing ranch. And before you ask, yes it is climbers doing the damage, I've seen it with my eyes. Please enjoy the area there is some great bouldering and a few good routes. Its a cool place but its not set up for camping.

SP
SueV PHD

climber
My Imagination
Sep 20, 2007 - 09:09pm PT
jerk
spud

climber
Sep 20, 2007 - 09:11pm PT
Chil there gripper, or whatever your name is. Get a grip, it's not the climbers that are ruining section six, it's the local teenage collection.
khanom

Trad climber
neverneverland
Sep 20, 2007 - 11:55pm PT
Woah there v0guppy, WTF?

You are so full of sh1t it's pretty freakin' laughable.

Climbers doing the damage.... Riiiight. I'll tell ya whut, if I promise to clean up the broken glass, beer cans and other trash left by rednecks and partying kids, along with the bazillion shotgun shells and them clay pigeon thingies, can I stay? huh? How about if I stand guard and stop the dirtbikers and OHV dumbfvks from tearing up the desert?

I've spent mucho time there in S6 and I know for a fact that climber-caused damage is a teeeeeny tiny fraction of what.. YES, I'm gonna say it.. you punk ass local kids cause. I've pulled out trashbags full of crap on a pretty regular basis. Everyone knows climbers have way more sense than to drink Bud Light. Well, most of us do anyway.

I suggest you head over to the west side of the park if you want to see real damage. Or just look in the mirror.
beebuh

Big Wall climber
boulder
Sep 21, 2007 - 12:32am PT
760- 366 - 3781

I'm in the phone booth, it's the one across the hall
If you don't answer, I'll just ring it off the wall
I know he's there, but I just had to call

Don't leave me hanging on the telephone
Don't leave me hanging on the telephone

I heard your mother now she's going out the door
Did she go to work or just go to the store
All those things she said, I told you to ignore

Oh why can't we talk again
Oh why can't we talk again
Oh why can't we talk again

Don't leave me hanging on the telephone
Don't leave me hanging on the telephone
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Sep 21, 2007 - 12:42am PT
People LOVE to get all excited about Section 6.......I personally , don't see what all the fuss is about;....I'm the kinda guy who can sleep on a rooftop or under a bridge too;......(or used to be able to, anyways....)..........it's just rock and dirt;.....it's close to town and the dirt bikers go there too.....highschool party types and climbers too. There are rules there, but they are not enforced;...or at least it doesn't seem like it.........I don't know what to say, other than take care of your wilderness, and encourage others to do the same..........each year there are fewer and fewer free camping places;........sort of a shame;......makes it harder and harder to be a dirt-bag climber.....When I first started climbing in the 70's...there were alot of dirt-bag climbers;...poor, but dedicated to livin' the life. It was a noble and honorable thing to be a "climbing bum.".....I've been one myself for periods of time. It seems like the "dirtbag " climbers I meet now-a-days, are more dirtbag than climbers.......which don't empress me one bit. If you are going to be a poor grubby climber, at least climb your ass off and be poor;....don't just be poor and climb alittle;.....might as well go get a shopping cart to push around town, or clean yourself up and get a job. As for keeping section 6 a "secret"...nahhh...that is elite-ism;.....I don't like it when people don't let ME know where the cool climbing and camping is;........snobism is for snobs;....I share with my fellow climbers and shame on others who don't. Most climbers are cool;....the a-holes are the exceptions. (And V10gripper is a good dude, for those of you who don't know him;...he loves Section 6...maybe too much.......cut him some slack;..his intentions are good and his bark is worse than his bite.....young punk pebble-wrestlers...))
fairweather

Mountain climber
Roseville, CA
Sep 21, 2007 - 12:52am PT
Walmart
khanom

Trad climber
neverneverland
Sep 21, 2007 - 01:07am PT
It sure isn't a secret, but the problem is that if you advertise it, the sort of impact v0gripper is moaning about is just going to get that much worse. Or they may well start enforcing the rules or close the gate entirely.
I don't hesitate to tell friends about it if they need a place to stay, but I kind of believe that revealing such places as this is best done discretely, privately, and to people you trust not to destroy the place. When you give directions on the internet, you have no idea who's going there.

I have very special feelings about the place. Enough that I've put in a lot of time to try to clean it up and don't much want to see just anybody staying there. But telling me you're gonna call the cops if you see me there... now that is elitist, presumptuous, and for a climber.. just plain wrong.

edit: does anyone really want to stay at the walmart in yucky valley? Ewww..
Tan Slacks

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 21, 2007 - 02:42am PT
Khanom is pretty much right.
Climbers are not the problem in section 6. However, they could be if the area becomes too popular. V10gripper is a good dude looking out for a local area. Now worries there. I am speaking as someone who lives on the entrance to section 6. The place is special and I hope it stays that way. A bit selfish.. yes.. but who isn't about their backyard. I can see everyone who goes in there. I have not called the LE on any climbers. I HAVE called many times for target shooters and off roaders that ignore the established dirt roads. Worse is illegal dumpers and partiers that leave glass and trash. I should mention that last season I did find a group af climbers that left a ton a trash near the highest camp site. I was pretty bummed. It is not often that climbing and trashing go together. Like Todd said, there are fewer and fewer places to camp. Come and climb. Be cool and clean.
On another related note. There is a section 6 commitee, that now has plans to gate the area. The gate will be moved about a 1/4 mile up the road and a parking area established. Section 6 would become a walk in area only. I have seen the plans, what I have not seen is the money. So I imagine it is a ways off.
Brick

Social climber
SF, CA
Sep 21, 2007 - 02:48am PT
V10gripper is a DICK HEAD if he calls the tool on climbers.

got that little weenie?
v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 22, 2007 - 05:58pm PT
I stand by my words, maybe I do have a little weenie but that has nothing to do with this conversation. If your camping there and I see you (I can see people there from my house) I will be calling the sheriff. Sorry guys im just gonna do what I belive is right, I dont need your imput ive gotten all the imput I need for the mis-use ive seen from CLIMBERS not saying punk ass local kids dont screw the place up, I call the sheriff on them too.
Chaz

Trad climber
So. Cal.
Sep 22, 2007 - 06:17pm PT
What the f*#k do you care?

BLM land doesn't belong to you, it belongs to all of us. Even those of us who don't live down the street.

If you see people raising hell there, call the cops. But if all someone is doing is parking over-night so they can crash, don't be such an ass-hole.

Back on topic. Close to Palm Springs you can probably get away with parking your truck over-night at the PCT Trailhead north of The 10 Freeway.

About a mile west of the 10/hwy111 junction get off on Lehman-Haugen and drive north a couple miles toward the end of the road. There's a small, flat parking lot at the Pacific Crest Trail crossing.

I've never seen another car there. Not even once.
v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 22, 2007 - 07:24pm PT
Its not BLM land it belongs to the town of Joshua Tree. And I care because I live down the road. why do you care? I really hope they fence the place off, walk in only would be awsome. If all they did was crash that would be one thing but the campfires, feces and trash left behind are another (yes,climbers). Don't get me wrong im not targeting climbers, anyone camping out there is getting a visit from the sheriff.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Sep 22, 2007 - 07:57pm PT
....Do you think the sheriff is going to get a little annoyed with you for calling him up every time you see a camper? If they've got nothing else to do, and the fine they'll collect is worthwhile, maybe not.

But if they'd prefer to be left alone, whether it's to manage the types of work they feel is important(whether it's law enforecemt-related or not) or because they prefer to relax...then you're going to soon be seen as a boil on their butt.

I know from experience - My pet peev here in NYC is people who pull out of those parking garages and into the street with slowing down or looking to see if the sidealk is clear.(Imagine a child running ahead of their caretaker at the wrong moment).

I nce asked a cop (who was just sitting there watching people walk past) if there was anything that could be done, and he looked at me like I was nuts. He sarted hassling me - saying
YOU never break a law when you drive?" and such....

STUPIDLY, I didn't get the hint. But I changed the suject and told him I'd heard about how in another city with huge traffic issues(as NYC has) that the city had been using "Motor Medics"(first responders on motorcyles, so they could get through the traffic quickly).....

He REALLY got upset with me on that one! He said "That's OUR job!"

Totally didn't even want to consider that using motorcyles might be a way to save someone's life....just that it threatened his liveliehood in some obscure way.

Cops, like just about anyone else, I suspect, don't really enjoy someone pointing out how they might do their jobs....
v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 22, 2007 - 08:44pm PT
I have good relations with many of the sheriffs in the area. And have talked to them about this issue, they agree with me.
Tan Slacks

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 22, 2007 - 09:20pm PT
Happie,
You just reminded me of the time my father visted from NYC. I took him into LA to visit MOMA of LA. I parked at a meter across the street from the museum. My father exited the car and started to cross the street against the redlight and not in the crosswalk. Out of nowhere a black and white with sirens and lights pulled up next to my father. He asked for my pops ID and started to write him a ticket. My dad was shocked, he said to the cop. "I'm from New York, everyone J walks in NY" The police officer came back with something like, well, we enforce the laws here in Los Angeles. It all cracked me up.

As to section 6, V10 is not lying, that land is a preserve area, designated for limited recreation use enforced by the town of Joshua tree with SBCS. That limited use excludes camping. So certainly V10 is within his rights to call for enforcement of the town code. Perhaps V10 is messing around or perhaps married life will chill him out a bit ( don't think I didn't hear about the wedding, even though I wasn't invited) Have a great day V10, Cindy and I wish you the best.
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Sep 22, 2007 - 09:47pm PT
The cops in J. Tree love a good felony, but are slow to react to "lesser" offenses....I have seen cops at Section Six before;....maybe they want to catch teens getting naked in the back seat of a car.....that is MY guess;....but illigal camping?.....don't think it's tops on their "to-do" list.....
Chaz

Trad climber
So. Cal.
Sep 22, 2007 - 09:54pm PT
There's a guy who lives with his dog in the hills behind my house.

When I go riding my bike or walking I usually bring him some dog food, and if I'm carrying beer there will be a couple extras for him. If he's not around I leave it at his *camp*.

Maybe I would have more fun if I took v-10 gripper's lead and called the cops to roust him and take his dog. After all, he's not supposed to be camping where he's at.

I don't know if he has a campfire going, but I know he shits someplace.


Chaz

Trad climber
So. Cal.
Sep 23, 2007 - 12:28am PT
Hey v-10gripper, it's Saturday night. I'll bet you could get a kick out of driving through Hidden Valley CG until you smell somebody smoking weed so you can call the Sheriff.

Or maybe go sit at any intersection and self-appoint yourself Stop Sign Monitor.

Sounds like your kind of fun!
x15x15

climber
Sep 23, 2007 - 01:16am PT
so let me get this straight... this v0gripper guy lives within view of this really cool bouldering area? Or very close by that loud and obnoxios users would not be too much fun in the middle of th e night.

although there are better areas, if a climber lived real close then they would probably go too much and end up stepping in khanom... oops, i mean sh#t.

and this jizz dhude,... er i mean chaz equates that with looking for some hippy lettuce tokers a little ways away just to tattle tale on? man jizz, you need a life...

can we say hypocrite? khanom and chaz sitting in a tree, k.i.s.s.i.n.g...

of course if this v0gripper dhude is full of sh#t and he grew up and still resides in san fransisco instead... i apologize in advance...
Brick

Social climber
SF, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 01:36am PT
this v0gripper fucxkface IS full of sh#t

somebody needs to give him a serious talkin to (Tan Slacks?)

Chaz

Trad climber
So. Cal.
Sep 23, 2007 - 01:37am PT
x-15,

Go back and re-read v-10gripper's posts.

You don't even have to go that far back to read where he writes "If your camping there and I see you (I can see people there from my house) I will be calling the sheriff"

Notice what pisses him off is not "loud and obnoxios" people.

No.

He doesn't like just having to see people around his place (even though it's public property).
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Sep 23, 2007 - 01:59am PT
Yeah;...V10gripper CAN see Section 6 from his house....(with binos even better...).......BUT he's moving soon....so ha ha...........(So quit biting your nails......)
v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 02:56am PT
I dont mind seeing people there, Hell come on out I'll give you a bouldering tour of the area, I dont know much about the routes up there only done a few of em but I can get the info and share it. I just dont like the camping aspect of it. Equating smoking weed in the park to this subject is a bit far off to me (although i do hide in the bushes and nark on climbers for smoking weed, I have this really cool camo suit I wear, half joushua tree half cheese bush). Im not out to get people in trouble, Im just tired of what I see going on up there. If im a F*#$ face so be it, I never said I wouldnt call the sheriff on loud obnoxious people up there (I have called the sheriff for this reason) Stop trying to find reason in what I do through yourselves, im not you, your not me. Im done with this subject.

Steven Powers (just so you know)
Brick

Social climber
SF, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 03:04am PT
ok, it's the hated baby tool

now we know why he is so eager to narc out his "fellow" climbers
v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 03:12am PT
sorry had to post one more thing

Why is it that i want to nark out my "fellow" climbers then?

At least everyone knows who I am while you are still anonymous.
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Sep 23, 2007 - 11:35am PT
well...

enough is enough...

If it is ILLEGAL to CAMP there(Section Six)...

it matters not who calls the Cops...

you would STILL be breaking the Law which would make it YOUR fault...

there are other places to camp for free...






On the other hand...

I too think it is ELITEST PRICKSH#T the way SOME locals cry like BABIES about fuking SECTION SIX...

they ought to fuking sell the damned place to a Developer and be done with it...

put in a Gas Station and another Circle K so I can get me mo crack ho's...


V10grippers NEW name...

"Book Em danno"...

khanom

Trad climber
neverneverland
Sep 23, 2007 - 02:13pm PT
I have good relations with many of the sheriffs in the area. And have talked to them about this issue, they agree with me.

Yeah, I can definitely see the co-relation here.


There are lots of illegal things we ALL do every day. Tell me Steve-o, would you like it if some paranoid asz-kisser monitored the fine citizens of Joshua Tree and called the tools the moment anyone went over the speed limit?

What's really funny is that as a climber V0 almost certainly has bivied illegally at some point in his life. It's really pretty hard not to. How 'bout it? Have you NEVER broken the law ever?
v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 02:45pm PT
I never claimed to be holier than thou. When I have bivied illegally I fully accepted the fact that I could get in trouble. And if I were to get in trouble it would be my fault and noone elses. When I was in high school I partied it up out at section six, At the time I pretended I didnt know any better. Nobody is perfect, nobody makes the right choice everytime. This is just the way things are and the way they will always be, accept it and move on.
x15x15

climber
Sep 23, 2007 - 02:50pm PT
i dont think it matters khanom. i think locker said it best. if it is illegal and the sheriff comes and sticks it up your a*#, no one to blame but yourself.

although it would be cool if it happened to you, i hope it doesn't. that would be another bad-rap for climbers that we dont deserve, cuz we are so pure... just like you khanom...
Brick

Social climber
SF, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 02:51pm PT
angry little man. must have had a hard childhood, thus the need for a badge, uniform and gun

i bet you drive a truck with big tires, too.

over-compensating is a bitch
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Sep 23, 2007 - 02:55pm PT
Last time I was to JTree, I hung out with a guy who bivied quasi-illegally for a month in the vicinity of one of the prime HVCG spots. It helped he had no vehicle, of course, but he had a little ploy going that was a win-win gig(since every night he had someone else actually paying, and paying knowingly, for the use of "his site."

I hesitate to disclose the sleight of hand maneuverations, as they probably stem from time-honored traditions, but - it was a thing to behold.


On another note -

I read "The Monkey Wrench Gang" a few weeks ago, and the Hayduke character was fprver throwing a camouflage net over his jeep when he left it for a time. How good do those thing work?
v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 02:55pm PT
well actually I dont have a uniform or a badge, I work for a non-profit land conservation organization and i drive a ford focus. I did have a rough child hood but not any rougher than anyone elses. And to boot im a pretty cheerful fellow.
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Sep 23, 2007 - 03:15pm PT
"i think locker said it best"...




If I did it was an accident I swear!!!...
caughtinside

Social climber
Davis, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 03:49pm PT
I met v10gripper on my last trip to jtree last november, he is a cool guy who actually gives a damn about the place he lives. Good for him I say. So there's one place you can't camp where it's illegal. big whup.

Hey Steve, it's Dave, I climbed with you, Simon and Monique last november. Hope life is good for ya buddy!
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Sep 23, 2007 - 03:58pm PT
"Can't camp?"

....that's making an assupmtion. Mine(assumption) would be that there will be people who will intentionally choose to do it, just to peeve Barn upthread.....

I wouldn't, of course, at least in my present circumstances, because I very much enjoy the cammeraderie/climbing partners I find in HVCG.

But if I were of different circumstances...what I'd do would be to invest in a big pair of binocs, go in and set up a spot, and take a look around.... Then, when I located the other set of peepers, I'd grab my pre-fabricated placards with notes intended to intice the spotter....and have a word with him.....grrrr!
caughtinside

Social climber
Davis, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 04:06pm PT
was that coherent??
v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 04:07pm PT
Hows it goin dave!!! good to hear from you. next time your in town look me up!! ill buy you a beer!!
khanom

Trad climber
neverneverland
Sep 23, 2007 - 05:00pm PT
When I have bivied illegally I fully accepted the fact that I could get in trouble.

Hey! Then we have something in common other than caring deeply about this area of the park. Amazing.

When I was in high school I partied it up out at section six...

So in other words, in addition to being self-righteous and sanctimonious, you are also a self-admitted hypocrite? Well, that's a start.

V0, if folks like Tan Slacks and Caughtinside say you are a nice guy, I'm sure it's true. I'm also pretty sure we've met & if you're the guy I'm thinking of, I'd agree with their assessment.

But where do you draw the line? Are you going to sit up there with a shotgun next? If you feel that strongly about protecting "YOUR" land, then why not?

You and I are probably more similar than dissimilar. But what I do not understand is why you feel the need to shut off access to camping altogether. You ought to know that informed, careful users can have minimal impact on an area -- often, essentially, no more than a day user. Why do you have such a problem with camping?

Honestly... I think it bugs you because you feel some sense of exclusive ownership. Like you have more of a right to the place than others, and like you are entitled to "protect" it against those uses you disagree with.

That is not cool.
v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 05:22pm PT
If you honestly think thats why I dont want people camping up there you are terribly mistaken. I have seen the area be degraded way to much from people that camp up there. I am a hypocrite but not in the sense of this disscussion (we are all hypocrites) I dont call the police because somebody is doing something illegal, I call the police because people trash the place and most of the trash comes from the overnight users. plain and simple. As i said above if you want the bouldering tour come on down, ive done some really cool problems up there. PLease enjoy the place, just dont camp.
John Moosie

climber
Sep 23, 2007 - 05:29pm PT
"You and I are probably more similar than dissimilar. But what I do not understand is why you feel the need to shut off access to camping altogether. You ought to know that informed, careful users can have minimal impact on an area -- often, essentially, no more than a day user. Why do you have such a problem with camping?"


Got me laughing there Eric. I recall a thread about OHV users where you had reached a breaking point and were ready to shut all of them out of public lands. Perhaps V10 has reached a similar point.

Just a thought...... :-)




X15... Before you get yourself all fired up to bash Khanom, the point has already been made. I beat you to it. I know you have the capacity to be an adult about this, so how about trying that instead of resorting to bad mouthing. Because with all of the bad mouthing on the OHV thread, nothing was accomplished except cementing peoples opinions.
khanom

Trad climber
neverneverland
Sep 23, 2007 - 05:48pm PT
John, you gotta point there :)

No question that if I believed, as Mr. Gripper does, that the impact is from overnight users, I'd probably be playing exactly the same tune. It's just that this is NOT my observation or belief. I've spent a great deal of time in S6 and I would say that the majority of the impact comes from day users. Partying teenagers and firearm wielding rednecks, actually.

But that's something that neither of us can really prove, at least not easily. And Steven has a stronger case because, well, he's there. I've spent much less time there in the last couple of years. Only a handful of nights this year.

On the other hand, I'll fully concede that I'm an elitist snob when it comes to impact. I don't litter and I make a big point of picking it up where ever I go to help offset the impact I may have in other ways. I go to some pretty extreme lengths to keep my footprint in any area to an absolute minimum. I am frankly REALLY resentful that even though I'm trying to do the right thing, people like this make generalizations and shut down access for everybody.

Yes, the irony of me writing this is making me laugh my head off. It's marginally defensible in that OHV users have a serious impact no matter what (pollution), but I recognize that's a stretch, given this:

v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 05:51pm PT
Nice set up!!! comfort on the road, I wonder if I could attach one of those pop up tents to my focus?

I too hate OHV's
John Moosie

climber
Sep 23, 2007 - 06:21pm PT
Stylish living there bro. I always knew that you could see both sides of the equation. Too bad the OHV thread devolved into a slagfest. My bet is that those who were here on that thread were low impact kind of people, but all the name calling just hid that.

Oh well, maybe we can do better next time. I know I played a part in the slagging. I am just finding that while it feels good for a few minutes to rip someone, ( I fondly remember using the term exhaust breather, haha) it doesn't lead to solutions. And I am becoming more and more about solutions.


BUT if anyone thinks they are going to take my 2 acre lawn and my chlorinated pool away from me then they have another think coming. Its war baby. I mean all out guns drawn bomb blasting war. Cause no ones taking my pleasures away from me. You hear that you pinko faggot liberal enviromentalist.










just kidding. no pool. no lawn. just figured we hadn't argued over those yet. :-)
Tan Slacks

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 23, 2007 - 06:27pm PT
Pretty cool thread, It appears the name calling is coming to an end.

I would like to add, the word "hypocrite" as it was used earlier may have been inappropriate. The way I see it, Steve contributed to the carnage in section 6 and then grew up. Are we hypocrites if our behaviour changes with wisdom. Then I would guess we are all hypocrites. I remember when V10 was a student in my wifes class in HS. We always had our fingers crossed. Perhaps V10 is growing into this world. If he is, he is doing it faster than I did.

The youth are our future!!

OT, Ocotber 5th is approaching fast. Do not miss some climbing and near climbing legends play some rock and roll for the masses. 6:30ish at the coyote corner stage. The schedule says 7. but I think that's wrong. CACTUS PRICKS at 6:30

http://www.joshuatreechamber.org/WWCF.htm
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
Sep 23, 2007 - 10:53pm PT
V10 is a pretty cool guy despite the fact he used to be a
tool. :)

Looks like a good thread to ressurect the "V10 the Snowtool"
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Cosmic
v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 23, 2007 - 11:55pm PT
i swear i have more hair than that!!!!
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Sep 24, 2007 - 12:47am PT
...

V10Srepop is OK for sure...

v10gripper

Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Sep 24, 2007 - 02:33am PT
I swear I have more hair than that...
aldude

climber
Monument Manor
Sep 24, 2007 - 03:55am PT
Section 6 is a ten minute walk from my house via the backdoor......guess that makes me a backdoor man* Firearms,ATV's and Meth Labs are of concern - not OB campers, Don't ask - Don't tell.

Tan - I'll try like hell to be there by then!

Locker - ZUUUUUUUUUUUUULUUUUUUUUUUUU!
spud

climber
Sep 24, 2007 - 09:22am PT
Perhaps Section Six could be the place for the Joshua Tree Sushifest!
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Sep 24, 2007 - 09:46am PT
Section Six has just been sold by the City of Joshua Tree, and they are putting up a Walmart superCenter there......AND you can then camp in the parking lot legally! Problem solved......
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