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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Sep 14, 2007 - 11:37am PT
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Euroford has a good point.
And sometimes after you do that 3 pitch, there is another one waiting just up the hill for you...then another...
Or there's a BBQ grill up top and you have the burgers, beers and charcoal...
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 14, 2007 - 11:44am PT
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Harnesses are BS too.
Just about as bad as panty line.
The climber needs a spare look, clean and sleek:
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J. Werlin
climber
Cedaredge
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Sep 14, 2007 - 11:49am PT
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Climbing with a pack sucks.
Black Canyon style on the IV's and V's is usually: gatorade bottle and light tennies clipped to haul loop , energy bar or something in cargo pocket, polypro shirt tied around waist.
PS: Werner, re: after 6: I usually just give in and haul.
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G_Gnome
Sport climber
Everywhere, man...
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Sep 14, 2007 - 11:51am PT
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My favorite is watching a couple on Z-Tree on Pywiak spending 5 or 6 hours to do 2 5.6 pitches with full packs on. Not only should you be done in 40 minutes of less, but you rap back down the route to the exact spot from which you started. Why would anyone carry a pack? What is in those packs?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 14, 2007 - 11:56am PT
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Packs... hmmm... the first time I did E.Butt. of Middle I took a pack, my partner asked "gee, you got room for..." and before you could blink the thing was full. We still did it with plenty of time to get off, but it wasn't a very nice ascent, mostly thinking about the pack and not about the climbing.
I resolved not to take a pack after that, just what ever you can hang off your rack or wrap around your waist.
Sometimes a big camel back subs... but that's for total uncertainty on the route... a long FA like A Walk In The Park... here's a tip: when dangling your approach shoes for the walk off, you can use them to carry your beers, and they're protected too! so you don't need to remember the duct tape for the methode a la Tarbussier.
When I need a pack, then I'm playing the Alpine game... totally different. As far as I can see, there is little true alpine in California (maybe a few hours a year).
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:04pm PT
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A rope, a rack and....
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:07pm PT
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I usually just put a hot girl in my pack.
You guys don't do this?
Posers!
Who knows when the urge will strike?
Ya gotta be prepared!
-A
ps On a more serious note, I only carry a pack (slim profile Camelback-type) for around 6 pitches or more. Water, some grub, headlamp and a shell. Maybe a guidebook if the routefinding is weird.
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
a dark-green forester out west
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:08pm PT
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Packs are aid.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:12pm PT
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I'm glad we're sensitively laying this matter to rest.
So as a group, the topical consensus is, packs 'r for weenies.
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curt wohlgemuth
Social climber
Bay Area, California
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:15pm PT
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What gets me is the Camelbacks. Even our host company's guidebooks say you should bring a Camelback on Tuolumne climbs to avoid dehydration.
I like water as much as the next guy. But unless the climb is 3 or 4 hours or more, I've never been dehydrated on a climb (assuming decent temperatures) enough to want to have a slushee attached to my back.
Curt
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:21pm PT
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And
Then to go along with all this other Bullshit ....
The modern climber:
Beanie cap with pack and laptop pack and cell phone glued to their ears. Patagonia clothing decked head to toe.
Cell phone to their ears, blah blah blah about nothing.
Hahahahaha ...........
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Matt
Trad climber
never ever pissing into the wind
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:26pm PT
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we did crescent arch a few weeks ago and saw a party of 2 on west crack w/ 2 packs, big'uns, that's one each!
not surprised to watch the leader panic trying to build an anchor and started screaming at the belayer at the top of his shrill lungs- "take", "slack" , "take- TAKE!!", "slack"...
clip it on or leave it behind!
but luckily i am part camel and don't need much water, folks on another thread were talking about 2 or even 3 quarts of H2O for a day of climbing- yikes! another friend of mine carried in 1/2 gallon to *solo* cathedral peak-
shoes, chalkbag, 1/2 gallon...? yikes...
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:34pm PT
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Personally I love climbing with my camelback 3 pitches or more. I sweat more than most and dehydrate easily. A little water at the crux move relaxes me. In spring and fall a light weight layer system has come in very handy, especially on alpine climbs. In Chimneys it dangles underneath me.
So F#@k off, I'm wearing my pack. LOL
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:36pm PT
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When I cruise up the Spires Gulley or some such place,
And I see a party, leader and follower strapped with bulging rucksacks,
This is what I'm thinking:
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Matt
Trad climber
never ever pissing into the wind
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:42pm PT
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locker, sometimes you make me wonder a bit...
(do you think yer pal lois would approve of the REAL you?)
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atchafalaya
climber
California
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:45pm PT
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Same question for those who ski lift areas with Packs or camelbacks. WTF? Ya drove there in a car, and theres a lodge at the base. Posers...
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:48pm PT
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The Camelback option has its place.
I tried it once on the Southeast Ridge of Notch Top, in RMNP.
It was pretty cool to sip water mid-pitch, on lead:
And yet I still prefer a small bottle,
And don't tell anybody I was totin' my approach shoes on my waist.
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:56pm PT
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Heck Tar, you could probably stash water and a snack in that cowboy hat!!!
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Sep 14, 2007 - 12:56pm PT
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A fellow I've climbed with got off route and took a 30-foot fall on one of the lower pitches of Epinephrine last year. He landed on his back on a ledge, ruining his Camelback but probably because of that, avoiding a more serious back injury. Not that I'd carry one up Epinephrine, but it apparently was lucky for him.
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G_Gnome
Sport climber
Everywhere, man...
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Sep 14, 2007 - 01:05pm PT
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Heck, even on all day routes like Mr. Toads Wild Ride I won't bring anything more than a bottle of water for the second to carry. Drink like crazy before you leave the ground and then again when you get back to the packs. A Gu and a hard candy or two in your chalk bag pocket is all you need. If you can carry a pack you aren't climbing hard enough!
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