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jstan
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Aug 18, 2007 - 10:59am PT
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This is quite an interesting board game. Discarding all the attributions with a question mark, I come up with a total of 17 unidentified people.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 18, 2007 - 11:51am PT
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In the second photo the big guy next to Loyd is Jerry Gallwas and in front of him with the beard is George Whitmore.
In the first photo next to Loyd is Chris Jones (pretty sure) In front of Loyd is Ken Boche.
Ken
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 18, 2007 - 12:34pm PT
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Hi Kevin,
I remember Ken Boche singing some Irish ballad during the event and was pretty sure it was him. I have never met him before. My memory is not what it used to be so I could easily be wrong.
Ken
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jstan
climber
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Aug 18, 2007 - 01:44pm PT
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Down to 14 now.
Photo 1:
Way up and left in photo 1 seems to be Donini, not Boche. And the fellow with the black cap and facial hair to the right of Price can't be Chris Jones? Chris came through DC once and we went to Carderock. You see I know C4 climbers only if they have also climbed at Carderock. But you know best so I took that to be Chris.
Seem to be unknown based on what little I know:
Front row starting from the left.
#1 happy white haired fellow.
#3 the not Henry Barber
Back row including Loyd Price starting from the left:
#5 Studious looking fellow with glasses, beard and too much hair for our age.
#7 White cap peeking out between Roper's and Rowell's ears.
Photo 2:
Front row starting from left:
#3 Sunglasses on a keeper
Back row from left starting with Donini:
#2 with the prominent forehead
#3 laughing fellow
Photo 3:
Front row starting from left:
#1 Triangular face, bare feet and right below Kauk
Back row starting from left
Fellow with head tilted trying to see around Burke's afro.
Barechested fellow just left of younger Yager
Photo 4:
Second row starting from left:
#2 croucher
#3 with the busy shirt
Back row starting from left:
#1 the possible McNamara
and the dark haired fellow at seven o'clock from the younger Yager
I could easily have errors in which case all this means nothing. If anyone is interested I can mail these annotated pictures to someone.
I had never seen Lauria so to check that I went to a website with a picture taken in the early 60's. Seemed a fit to me. Which raises a question. Is the "not Henry" Dennis Hennek? Could easily be based on the 60's photo I saw.
What a disreputable bunch of characters.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 18, 2007 - 02:07pm PT
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I've been searching around the net, trying to find higher resolution versions of the photos - it may help identify some of the people in them.
While doing so, I ran across the Yosemite Association website. In its report for 2003, it states "Camp 4, the famed climbers’ campground in Yosemite Valley, was listed on the National Register of Historic Places on February 21. It was deemed significant because the camp played a pivotal role in the development of sport rock climbing at a time when technique and skill were passed on by word-of-mouth -- before the deluge of guidebooks and manuals." Astonishing - Yosemite and Camp 4 as pivotal in the development (!?) of sport (?!*) rock climbing. I knew it was important for something to do with climbing.
http://www.yosemite.org/aboutya/annual2003.htm
Edit: I couldn't find anything on the YCA website either, but perhaps Ken has good copies somewhere.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 18, 2007 - 02:38pm PT
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Thanks, Kevin. I'm pretty up on the great fight to save Camp 4 - quite active in access and climbing matters here, plus I've spent a lot of time in Camp 4. (We crossed paths there, if not met, in the 1970s - I was one of the cast of thousands of passersby.) A great victory, and all concerned deserve a real pat on the back. I was at the Facelift last September, and on the Sunday before there was a ceremony in Camp 4 to commemorate its being recognized.
I also looked for the pictures on John Middendorf's website http://www.bigwalls.net/climb/camp4yosemite/index.html, but didn't see them. They'd nicely round out the story there.
See you at the Facelift?
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jstan
climber
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Aug 18, 2007 - 03:52pm PT
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10 left.
I checked a number of pictures of McNamara on the web. Just about certain so took him off.
Photo 1:
Front row starting from the left.
#1 happy white haired fellow.
#3 the not Henry Barber
Back row including Loyd Price starting from the left:
#5 Studious looking fellow with glasses, beard and too much hair for our age.
#7 White cap peeking out between Roper's and Rowell's ears.
Photo 2:
Front row starting from left:
#3 Sunglasses on a keeper
Photo 3:
Back row starting from left
Fellow with head tilted trying to see around Burke's afro.
Barechested fellow just left of younger Yager
Photo 4:
Second row starting from left:
#2 croucher
#3 with the busy shirt
and the dark haired fellow at seven o'clock from the younger Yager
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jstan
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Aug 18, 2007 - 04:28pm PT
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Down to 9
I can't find a photo of Hennek.
Working right in the back row of photo 3 starting with Burke.
Burke
? tilted head
RD Caughron. Long ago I had had a communication with RD but had never met him . Identified upthread.
Barry with his arm around Stowe
Stowe
Or so it would seem.
Great game this. What we need is for Donini to come in to work and get us the list of participants.
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jstan
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Aug 18, 2007 - 06:17pm PT
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Some progress & one question:
Photo 3
My poor attempt / Crowley
FRONT ROW
Pererya /Pererya
Mayfield/Mayfield
Corbett /Corbett
Leavitt /Leavitt
Bachar /Bachar
Cashner /missed a person?
Florine /Florine
SECOND ROW
Same
THIRD ROW
Calonica / Calonica
Kauk / missed a person??
L. Bridwell / L. Bridwell
Chapman / Chapman
Burke / Burke
? / ?
RD Caughron / ?
Barry / Barry
Stowe-/-- Stevens
Hechtel / Hechtel
Croft / Croft
White / White
? / Miller
Yager / Yager
Yager / Yager
We have a difference on Stevens vs Stowe. I got the ID for Stowe from Peter upthread.
And I now see Miller just had just put on a tie dyed shirt for photo 4!
Look again and see if you missed the two people.
In any event with one conflict we are down to 8 completely unidentified. Jeff Lowe is just going to have to ID Dennis Hennek for us I guess. Hard to believe the smiling gentleman is still eluding us.
This process is chewing up electrons unnecessarily. Perhaps I should just send Kevin the pictures? Can do jpg or surface mail. Belay that. It will take more intelligence than I have to downsize my pictures and they will be less distinct.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 18, 2007 - 06:25pm PT
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How about Kauk?
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 18, 2007 - 06:27pm PT
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That is Ron Kauk.
Ken
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jstan
climber
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Aug 18, 2007 - 06:38pm PT
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Kevin also ID'd Stevens as the laughing man in the back row of photo 2. The focus is poor but clothing and everything else is wrong for these to be one and the same individual.
Pretty amazing we have only one question at this point. Eight still unidentified.
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Aug 18, 2007 - 06:42pm PT
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Chuck wasn't drunk, nor "wanting to get laid," but I know from Frost that Chuck didn't feel well the whole event and attended quite reluctantly.
Sheridan Anderson died long before this event or these photos.
Notably missing from the event, Bob Kamps, Tom Higgins, and Pat Ament who were unable to attend, the latter of whom wrote (and or edited and proof-read) almost all of Frost's many documents that were submitted for trying to get Camp 4 on the National Register... (I guess I'm just trying to say, though unable to attend, I made my behind-the-scenes contribution, which was probably more important ultimately than being at the party). Higgins was recovering from surgery...
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N0_ONE
Social climber
Utah
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Aug 18, 2007 - 08:01pm PT
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Is that Timmy Oneal to the right of Chongo in the fourth pic?
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jstan
climber
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Aug 18, 2007 - 09:03pm PT
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"Croucher's" hair, hairline and facial proportions fit Osius. Looks a little thinner in 99 but about right.
In searching Osius I found she had written about Hugh Herr.
Not long after Hugh had gotten back oot and aboot I was climbing with him in the Gunks. He came to a crack and said, "Wait a bit." Took out an allen wrench saying, "I have to put on my crack feet." And he did. Just last week I saw a newspaper report about distance runners missing legs being denied entrance to races because their prostheses were giving them an unfair advantage. Photos of them showed them using the spring steel feet that Hugh developed.
And also Shaggy goes to O'Neal.
7 left
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 18, 2007 - 10:43pm PT
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RE:
"Croucher could be her. I know it looks like it could be a guy, so my apologies to her if I'm way off. The resolution of all these photos is poor."
hope this helps a little - Levels, Curves and Unsharp Mask...
the guy to our right of, and just behind Steve Roper in the above is Eric Beck
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 18, 2007 - 10:55pm PT
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which row is the unidentified in?
lemme see if I can blow it up and sharpen it for you...
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 18, 2007 - 11:06pm PT
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I don't know who those other people are Kevin - but Beck can be seen in the rear in both the sharpened pics I posted upthread (to our left of Roper in the top one)- it's him, I know those expressions from my years of climbing w/ him.
blowing the pics up much more is worthless - that's about as sharp as I can make them :)
cheers,
Ray
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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Aug 18, 2007 - 11:13pm PT
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best I can do...
guys, lemme know if there's any other edits you need
Kevin, RE: "And the guy with white white bushy hair in 1&2 ?"
negative.
R
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john hansen
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2007 - 12:17am PT
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This has been an amazing thread, do we have a definitive list yet?
Who is that guy up and left from Frost in that last photo? He was in another photo as well.
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