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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 11, 2007 - 11:18am PT
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Gotta get me a new drill for the lead. What's the word on the street, Hilti or Bosch?
I used to drill with a Bosch 'Bulldog' but traded up for a Hilti - a little heavier but much faster. That was ten years ago - I imagine both companies have improved their products a lot since then. Which one is better now days? Especially for leading?
Thanks, jb
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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May 11, 2007 - 11:30am PT
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I was just getting ready to post a simmilar post. Also would like to know approx how many bolts can you set with 1 battery in solid granite, as well as limestone or sandstone.
Prod.
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Loomis
climber
Blava nie, ty kokot!
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May 11, 2007 - 11:31am PT
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John, go for the new Bosch 36V lithion, smokes the new hilti and it is half the price.
Details: Here
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2007 - 11:32am PT
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I'm more concerned with speed of drilling and lightweightness (is that a word?) - I can always carry extra batteries...
Edit: Wow, the Lithion! Is it heavy? How does it compare to the Annihilator? (Weight vs. speed)...
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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May 11, 2007 - 11:38am PT
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that one that just got posted I believe is a pound lighter than the Annihilator. but still, at 8lbs, i think, still heavy for leading.
modified rig for on the lead bolting would be ideal. batter on your ass kind of thing, with just the plastic for the hand.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2007 - 11:40am PT
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Good idea Munge - yeah, it weighs 9.6 lbs. vs. 9.2 lbs. for the Annihilator. Plus it has 2.2 ft. lbs. torque and the Annihilator only 1 ft. lb. torque.
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Prod
Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
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May 11, 2007 - 11:52am PT
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Canabalizing the battery is a pretty easy thing to do, I did it for a bilge pump I designed to go into my whitewater open canoe, I call it the "Sucks a-lot". But that is another story. Anyway it can be modified to fit a battery belt with just the weight of the unit in your hand.
Prod.
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2007 - 11:58am PT
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We have both John. The Hilti has a weird anomaly in it's charging system that drove us crazy. The battery packs have digital switching system (cut-off) that is used both for the charging and temperature protection. Our battery packs have failed several times due to this stupid circuitry.
I rebuilt the battery packs with sealed lead acid batteries from Hawker corp.
The Hilti operates at 36 VDC and the Bosh at 24 VDC as you already probably know. The Bosh would be lighter.
Our hilti is setup with battery as an external pack with cord.
Whoops: Just saw that you can get a 36V Bosh version now.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2007 - 12:05pm PT
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Walleye - If I can drill 'one-handed' without hooks I'll go for it. I wish someone could invent a 'one-handed manual drill system' with a hammer and stuff - boy, wouldn't that be cool - no electricity needed!
Maybe Deucy can come up with something!
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Loomis
climber
Blava nie, ty kokot!
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May 11, 2007 - 12:43pm PT
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My drill weighs 4.2 Lbs. with this modification. With an extension cord, the battery can be left on the ground/anchor. Perfect for one hand hook or stance drilling.
This can be done to the newer model Bosch too. But wait until the warranty expires.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 11, 2007 - 01:00pm PT
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Loomis - no handle? Whassup wit that? Is it easy to hold on to?
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Loomis
climber
Blava nie, ty kokot!
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May 11, 2007 - 01:21pm PT
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John, it is perfect, the power button is on the side of the drill, so when the drill is above your head, it is an the right spot. After you are done drilling it hangs at your side vertically. In the years of use after the modification, would not go back to the bulky old style of drill.
Next time I am on the east side, would be glad to show it to you.
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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May 11, 2007 - 01:31pm PT
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Hilti just came out with a new lithium battery that takes the weight of the TE-6A down to maybe just below the weight of a Bosch Annihilator. Also has a battery indicator, which, I've always liked on the Bosch (see how much juice is left).
Hilti also makes a newer drill, I think the TE-2A (?) that is much lighter and according to friends who do a bit of backcountry drilling, pretty sweet while still gettin' 'er done.
If you can find the older 1.7aH batteries for the Annihilator, that makes for a nice lightweight lead drill.
Or, you can do like some folks and separate the batteries from the drill, either with a fanny pack, or, by a loooong extension cord. Knew someone who knew someone (ha!) who would pack in a Honda generator and an 80 foot extention cord for a standard 110 volt power drill. Pretty light set up once you hiked in the generator. And, as much power as gasoline. Might be the old Ryobi (gettin' a burn on the thigh when that rig flipped over is kinda fun).
I'll have to say...after lookin' around a bit, I'd look at the new lightweight Hilti drills.
Cheers!
-Brian in SLC
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Loomis
climber
Blava nie, ty kokot!
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May 11, 2007 - 01:37pm PT
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Just got off the phone with Hilti, none of there new drills are lighter than the new Bosch and they are all double the price $1000+ compaired to $550
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Knob Central
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May 11, 2007 - 01:41pm PT
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John, Kris Solem just cut his Bosch up and put an external battery pack like Loomis'. You can spend many dollars to buy super light, super powerful batteries and the old Bulldog will drill much, much faster. I think you can drill a 3" x 3/8" hole in about 20 seconds with his new setup! It's a very sweet deal. He left the handle on though.
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Loomis
climber
Blava nie, ty kokot!
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May 11, 2007 - 01:50pm PT
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Jan, I get like 50 holes per charge! The handle is obnoxious, gets in the way and catches on things. I did this modification for 10 other people, they are happy for their decision.
I spoke to WilPower in LA. They told me of a new Lithion Battery that takes the weight way down from the sealed lead acid batteries. Buy they are pricey.
Edit: The other problem with the handle, is that it pushes one away from the rock.
My design keeps one over their feet and close to the rock.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Knob Central
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May 11, 2007 - 03:01pm PT
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I never liked the handle Scott. It seems like every time I try to take the drill out of the hole I end up engaging the trigger with the back of my hand from the weight of the drill. But then it isn't my drill to bastardize. It sure is nice drilling with the new hefty batteries though. The drill doesn't even sound like the same piece of kit. It takes a while to get used to the power cable hanging there and is easy to get tangled up in (personal experience!).
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slobmonster
Trad climber
berkeley, ca
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May 11, 2007 - 03:29pm PT
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Anyone tried the Metabo?
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Steve G
Trad climber
Germany
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May 11, 2007 - 03:53pm PT
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Did you check out Makita?
The HR 160 is said to be very light,( 2,5 kg) but a bit slow on the other hand.
On the website of the late Jürgen Känel
there are drills of different companies compared.
its in German, but i think easy to understand
http://www.filidor.ch/german/frame.htm
click in teh left column on
Tipps/Geschichten
then on
Hammermässig
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 11, 2007 - 03:57pm PT
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Hilti TE-6a with the new battery - everytime. They cost twice as much for a reason.
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Paul Martzen
Trad climber
Fresno
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May 11, 2007 - 06:28pm PT
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I picked up a Panasonic 24V EY6812 a few years ago and finally used it on a route this last winter. The body is 4 pounds 10 ounces and the Nickel Metal Hydride battery is 3 pounds 3 ounce. Came with two batteries.
I have not used other drills enough or recently enough to compare, but Barry Chambers was impressed. We were drilling 3/8" diameter by 2" deep in about 10 seconds each. I think we put in 10 or 12 holes in a couple of pitches and belays. There was no sign of slowing at all. That was in Tollhouse granite which might not be the hardest granite around but not soft either.
Don't know if they are still available.
Paul
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NoRushNoMore
climber
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May 11, 2007 - 06:50pm PT
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Second new Bosch 36V lithion, that's the one to get.
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2007 - 07:30pm PT
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C'omon Bachar, do some real damage.
Below; the one on the left for cutting down obstructions at the base, & right for touching up holds. It's the year 2007. Get the latest good gear.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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May 11, 2007 - 08:20pm PT
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I like using this size for most things.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 11, 2007 - 08:43pm PT
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Anyone with a Bosch Litheon or a Hilti TE-7a ought to be run off given they both have a hammer-only setting and available SDS chisels. I'd have to wonder about a person's intentions buying either.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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May 12, 2007 - 12:22am PT
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... Gotta get me a new drill for the lead. What's the word on the street, Hilti or Bosch?
I used to drill with a Bosch 'Bulldog' but traded up for a Hilti - a little heavier but much faster. That was ten years ago - I imagine both companies have improved their products a lot since then. Which one is better now days? Especially for leading?
Thanks, jb...
Jesus, it's the end of the world as we know it.
Curt
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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May 12, 2007 - 12:40am PT
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Just got off the phone with Hilti, none of there new drills are lighter than the new Bosch and they are all double the price $1000+ compaired to $550
Per the Hilti website, the new version of the TE-6A with the lithium battery weighs 8.4 lbs.
Per Bosch, new 36V Bosch weighs 9.6 lbs. Older 24V Annihilator weighs 9.3 lbs (much less with the 1.7aH batteries that aren't available anymore).
Gotta get me one of them new lithium batteries...
End of the world? Nah, time to drill one handed is all...
-Brian in SLC
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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May 12, 2007 - 12:54am PT
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Also, Werner, with the one on the right you may not need bolts because you could quickly slice a TCU placement into the rock. Then there's nothing to age, nothing to break and nothing to see, either.
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2007 - 01:00am PT
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Got it Ray
They will burn me at stake with very hot fire for that.
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Raydog
Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
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May 12, 2007 - 01:03am PT
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cool - threads like this excite me in a very strange and dangerous way...
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2007 - 11:43am PT
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Curt - don't worry, the world will not end. Brian in SLC has it - time to drill one handed (like placing a cam with one hand). I've done a few 12a steep face routes without resorting to hooks by drilling one handed - it kind of puts a new twist in the ground up game. Dan Osman was into it as well - even on a new route where he already had hung on a hook to place a bolt, if he got to a spot where he could drill one handed, he would! Crazy, eh?
It's a weird choice - I never wanted to hang on hooks and I also didn't want to rely on "electricity" either. Like I said up thread, I wish there was a way to hand drill with one hand/arm while hanging on the rock (like placing a permanent piton or somethng).
Don't worry, I'll let Werner experiment with all those power toys of the "future" that he posted!
Loomis - I like your rig - looks just like what I need
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travelin_light
Trad climber
california
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My buddy and I have Hilti TE 6-A that we got off eBay and we are wondering if anyone knows what we can expect performance wise. Specifically, how many holes we can drill in granite off one charge. I believe this was used for consruction purposes but it seems to be in good shape. I am sure its the original battery though. And what is up with the charger? Light has been blinking. Does this mean its charged? Thanks dudes!
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pulthru
Trad climber
Wenatchee, WA
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Bachar I've got an old bosch bulldog that the battery is going south on. It would be ideal for conversion. Let me know if your interested.
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2007 - 11:27am PT
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pulthru -
Thanks, but I ended up getting a Bosch Litheon 36v. Works great, very fast but a little heavy on the lead. I got to figure something out for those tough placements - it's kind of daunting to drill on harder stances with this puppy.
Raydog -
you still make protective drill cases? anybody?
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couchmaster
climber
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John: Bosch makes a big one (36V 1″ SDS-Plus® Rotary Hammer
Model 11536VSR) and a small 36V (18636)
They say the small one is comparable to an 18v regular Nicad hammer drill.
Could you share what you chose, where you got it, and what it cost you?
Also, love to hear how many holes you are getting per charge when you finish your first project.
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MisterE
Social climber
Across town from Easy Street
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Another option to reduce weight is to get 80-100 feet of speaker wire, sheath it in tubular webbing and leave the batteries in the ground. Then one can really beef up the battery system with gelpacks in series.
Here's The Doctor with the Power Pig:
Erik
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mister t
climber
nowhere special
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I've been really happy with both my Hiltis (but I've had older ones- not that wierd charger thing Werner spoke of).
I currently have a TE10A, but think that would be way to heavy for lead bolting.?
I think Hilti is a better drill, but $1,000 vs. $550??? tough call
Loomis- that rig is somethin else-nice job
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Yaro
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Now I understand why John has been asking about pure trad areas lately.... He wants to bolt them!!! :)))
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couchmaster
climber
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Erik, don't see the TE-10 listed anywhere.
BUT, of major signifigance to all of us is this number: speed of drilling into concrete.
Hilti claims 450mm a min with an 8mm drill bit into B35 concrete with the TE-6a lithium ion.
Dudes, thats a whopping 17+ inches a min. I have drilled with the Hilti TE-6 and think thats most likely an accurate range. (8mm corresponds roughly to inch 5/16. So slower for the 10mm - 3/8 dia holes we commonly put in.
http://www.hilti.com/holcom/modules/prcat/prca_product.jsp?OID=13121&CATE_OID=-15380
The Big Bosch claims " Drills faster than key competitors, both corded and cordless! 50% Faster Drilling - 7.1 in/minute!", but doesn't specify the bit size and concrete spec.
http://www.boschtools.com/tools/tools-detail.htm?H=175982&G=54915&I=69863
If it's apples to apples, Hilti has a big performance benefit. If the Bosch is rated drilling a 1/2" diameter hole, well, not comparable then.
I have emailed them requesting this info and will post their response here.
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travelin_light
Trad climber
california
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I posted eailier...
"My buddy and I have Hilti TE 6-A that we got off eBay and we are wondering if anyone knows what we can expect performance wise. Specifically, how many holes we can drill in granite off one charge. I believe this was used for consruction purposes but it seems to be in good shape. I am sure its the original battery though. And what is up with the charger? Light has been blinking. Does this mean its charged? Thanks dudes!"
I guess the blinking light means its fully charged. Hope so, because its one hellacious approach. Going to drill til the battery dies then its back to old reliable, "tink, tink, tink". I did grab a belt kit for the 36 volt Ni-Cad battery at the Hilti shop. I can throw the battery in a pack and go for it. Was a little worried drilling with that big dog all in one piece. Thing must weigh 10-15 pounds!
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2007 - 07:20pm PT
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couchmaster - Mine looks like the one in the photo that Loomis posted above (3rd post). Don't know how many holes per charge yet but it drills quite fast - less than a minute per 3/8" hole for sure (in granite).
All my bolts have been one handed on the lead so far...that thing is heavy.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Travelin - the "Turtle" graphic on the Hilti TCU 7/36 charger is the button for [url="http://www.hilti.com/data/editorials/-12237/akku_total_en.pdf" target="new"]conditioning the battery[/url] which should be done occassionally.
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tenesmus
Trad climber
slc
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For all of you with a beaten up Hilti, when I bought mine the rep told me they have a 3-year warranty. After that, you can bring it in to a Hilti store and they'll recondition it at any time for about $300 (after which it has a new 3-year waranty). Kind of a nice way to re-do the whole thing if you already have one.
Hilti makes a battery belt pack with a keeper cord that lightens up the drill a lot.
Also, my TE-6A is pretty damn heavy and I'd love a lot less weight. I kinda wish I'd gotten the new 24 volt for the weight savings.
Anyone know where you can find one of those padded drill covers?
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Ten,
If you want help to rig a remote battery pack to lighten the load, let me know. I built one for a Bosch years ago. It was a big improvement.
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travelin_light
Trad climber
california
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Nice barely used Hilti (24 volt Lithium Ion) hammerdrill at the Hilti store in San Diego for $350. They had a bunch of used stuff in there (mostly demo). If anyone is in the market for a Hilti I would check your local store first.
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Alex Perry
Trad climber
California
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Mr. Bachar,
I still think you should only place bolts with a hand-held drill and hammer, while on lead, and without hooks or aid, as per the old style, Kamps, Higgins, in order to keep bolting from becoming too easy. Yes it will limit what one can do, but limits are good. Or is this way too old fashioned a thought nowadaze?
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bachar
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2007 - 10:34am PT
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Mr. Perry-
Yes I have wrestled with that thought many a time. Tough call. I actually placed about eighty 3/8" bolts by hand before I switched to electricity. I didn't place any more or less bolts after I switched either.
I do like the ability to drill one handed - then I don't even need hooks. The other thing I like is that the hole and the bolt come out closer to perfection. Sometimes when I hand drilled, the hole diameter was a little inconsistent thereby making the bolt possibly a little unsafe. I figure if I'm going to drill a hole in the rock I should do as good a job as possible and try to make it perfect.
I still wrestle with these ideas however and I appreciate your input...jb
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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All my bolts have been one handed on the lead so far...that thing is heavy.
You might try flippin' the drill upside down and squeezing the trigger with your pinky. Seems better balanced that way especially for placements at/near the end of your reach.
Also, they're spendy, but, the Hilti 10mm drill in 4" length makes drilling on steep leads easier too.
Yeah, power makes for a nicer (and sometimes fatter/deeper) hole. If you're not just climbing for yourself, a nice gift to the community to leave a solid anchor.
Cheers!
-Brian in SLC
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sred
Trad climber
California
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Oct 15, 2007 - 04:09am PT
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Here's some links to a couple of tests on cordless hammer drills on CONCRETE. Basically the new Bosch outperforms everything in these tests. The high-end Hilti drills 50% more holes but it uses a battery with 65% greater capacity (Bosch=2.0AH, Hilti=3.3AH). The Bosch is the fastest without question. Read the reviews for more info. The street pricing shown is via Google Product Search (used to be Froogle). Toolsforless.com has the Bosch for $560
TEST #1 (Drill ten 5/8" holes 4" deep, and average)
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/industry-news.asp?sectionID=1490&articleID=536620&artnum=3
Price UNIT Time (Max Holes/Batt)[Weight]
$560 Bosch 11536VSR 36-volt: 12.8 sec (19.5 holes) [9.5 lbs]
$1,239 Hilti TE 7-AC 36-volt: 18.3 sec (29.5 holes)[10.8 lbs]
$550 Milwaukee 0756-22 28-volt: 18.8 sec (22.5 holes) [9.5 lbs]
$690 DeWalt DC232KL 36-volt: 22.8 sec (13.5 holes) [8.4 lbs]
$350 DeWalt DC212KA 18-volt: 24.5 sec (12.5 holes) [7.6 lbs]
$540 Panasonic EY6813NQKW 24v: 26.7 sec (14.5 holes) [9.5 lbs]
$1,009 Hilti TE 6-A LI 36-volt: 26.9 sec (23.0 holes) [8.8 lbs]
$630 Metabo BHA18 18-volt: 48.0 sec (14.0 holes) [7.1 lbs]
$400 Makita BHR240 18-volt: 36.0 sec*(8.5 holes) [7.3 lbs]
*couldn't finish ten hole test
$450 Panasonic EY6803GQW 12v: small 3.5AH NiMH batt [5.7 lbs]
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TEST #2 (Method not described)
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/industry-news.asp?sectionID=1476&articleID=501510
http://www.bigbuilderonline.com/content/special-reports/LithiumIon.pdf
Bosch 11536VSR 36-volt: 12.93 seconds
DeWalt DC232KL 36-volt: 16.53 seconds
Milwaukee 0756-22 28-volt: 17.86 seconds
Hilti TE 6-A 36-volt: 18.36 seconds
Makita BHR240 18-volt: 20.83 seconds
Metabo BHA18 18-volt: 22.43 seconds
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sred
Trad climber
California
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Oct 16, 2007 - 01:59am PT
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The Bosch unit also comes with two batteries for only $10 more than the Milwaukee. Most of these units come with two batteries. I'm sure the Milwaukee is good, but the Bosch is going to beat anything in terms of speed. Milwaukee started the whole Li-Ion battery system, but everyone has caught up with Milwaukee now. If I had to buy right now, it would be the Bosch 11536VSR.
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Wes Allen
Boulder climber
KY
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Just got one of the new Bosch 36v drill today. Will let you all know how it works out in the RRG sandstone after this weekend. I think the also make a slim line battery for it that might shave a bit off the weight. Though not a big deal to me, as I am always hanging in my harness while drilling!
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trdrckclmbr
climber
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Dec 11, 2007 - 10:35pm PT
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Hey all. I was pretty interested in your alls evaluation and research on the different rotary hammer drills. Reason being, I just went to work for Hilti. I've been climbing, mostly trad, since 98. I have never done any installation of climbing bolts. But now understand their usefulness in the construction world and climbing world. they make a persons job a hell of a lot easier!!!!
If anyone has any questions about rotary hammers, specific Hilti, I'll do my best to help out.
Based on the current thread, I was curious what kind of drill bit was used while performing the test. As with all consumable items, there is wear and tear which can cause the performance to decrease in not only the tool but the bits.
Also was a fresh bit used for each demo and the same type of bit?
Brand new tools, used tools? How long?
I have found out Hilti tools are priced at a premium, but they are design to outlast any other tool. When purchasing a Hilti cordless or corded tool, we cover any damage to the tool, less act of God or abuse, and will ship and repair free of charge if it does need repairs. Just take it to your local Hilti center or call me I'll help you out. Also those batteries, we will replace if one dies on you for any reason for a full year! Or tell your Hilti rep, has to be done at a hilti store or online, that you want to put it on fleet and we cover the battery for 2 full years!!!
Sorry if this sounded like a sales pitch, but I think its important to consider more than just price when buying.
Anyhow, good drilling!!
I forgot to add, if you have a old hammer drill (any kind), take it to your Hilti center and we will give you a trade in value for it, even if its broke!!!
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tenesmus
Trad climber
slc
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Dec 11, 2007 - 10:47pm PT
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ok,so here's a question: Some guys like the hilti bolt anchors. What's the deal on them? How useful are they compared to the rawl 5 piece? Are they removable? How much are the stainless steel? Any good deals you can get on them for the masses?
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Chris Black
Sport climber
Orem, Utah
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May 10, 2009 - 03:08pm PT
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I've done my setting in Maple Canyon. At times, drilling the holes directly into boulders and not into the matrix. After using multiple types of drills. Hilti is the only way to go. They cost more but you get what you pay for.
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Khel
Trad climber
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Sep 10, 2009 - 11:03pm PT
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Just wandering around the web, looking for a drill recommendation, and it looks like John Bachar was doing the same quite some time ago. Ah, John, we miss you here. Is "lightweightness" a word, John? It was until you were taken away.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Sep 11, 2009 - 12:16am PT
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We all miss the guy. He left some huge empty shoes and an unmatched amazing legacy. If everyone who bought a hammer drill restricted themselves as John did, we'd all be the better off....I know for myself, the drill makes it very easy to put em in.
I would imagine that if JB was looking for a drill today, he'd get the lighter Bosch. Be aware that part of the lightness difference (a good part) comes from a lighter, less amperage battery. So any of you old dogs have the one Conrad bought and sred refers too and want to get on lead with it, get the slimpak battery. The 11536C-2 gives up some impact force, however, it appears to be smaller, making it much easier when reaching overhead and drilling.
I wonder how John was liking the new drill anyway.....
The Lil Dawg. The last 3/8 x 2" handdrilled bolt I put in came in at @20 min. and cramped arms. The lil Dawg put in that 1/2 x 7" long stainless wedge anchor to back up that rusty anchor chain there in 10 seconds. I remember John Middendorf saying he thought he held the handdrilling record of like 47 seconds for a 1/4 x 1" split shank Rawl stud. Makes you wonder how long it would take a maestro like him to do a 3/8 x 2 bolt.
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slobmonster
Trad climber
berkeley, ca
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Sep 11, 2009 - 01:35am PT
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"1/2 x 7" long stainless wedge anchor"
WHAAAAAA?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Sep 11, 2009 - 11:04am PT
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WWWWWWHHHHAAAAAAAAAA??? What whhhhuhhh? I've been working at a newer soft rock area and have a couple of hundred of the stainless 1/2" x 6-1/4 and 7" wedge anchors laying around. (insert gratuitous pics here)
Hardly a crack within 20 miles anywhere. Getting holes 7" deep in 7-8 seconds pretty consistently. I understand that the Hilti battery's last much longer. I'm getting @13-15 holes per battery charge at this area.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Sep 11, 2009 - 11:12am PT
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or,
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Timmc
climber
BC
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May 19, 2010 - 01:38pm PT
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I just dropped my 18 year old TE 10A 80 feet and it broke in two.
Any new beta on what is the rig to get these days?
Thanks
Tim
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Timmc
climber
BC
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May 19, 2010 - 01:54pm PT
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Haha - Good one Greg. Yup- I blew it on that little detail. Luckily the battery is fine as it was in my pack.
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kinnikinik
Trad climber
B.C.
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May 19, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
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I have one of those little bosch's, and I gotta say after 15 years with a turbo bulldog, its a total game changer for stance drilling. Yes it has slightly less impact than the other litheon bosch,but it turns faster and has more blows per minute. Unless your drilling half inch plus holes the impact force is plenty.This drill is twice as fast as my old bulldog.
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flamer
Trad climber
denver
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May 19, 2010 - 05:16pm PT
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I have a Hilti TE6a...the 36 volt job.
It's been super charged with an external battery.
It's in great shape.
I'll sell it for $350...if anyones interested.
josh
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Timmc
climber
BC
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May 20, 2010 - 10:35am PT
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Thanks Kinnikinik- that's the info I'm looking for.
Flamer- How old is that hilti? wonder what it would cost to get to BC?
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kinnikinik
Trad climber
B.C.
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May 20, 2010 - 11:05am PT
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tim. I might add that at 6.4 pounds the little drill easily fits in a little lunch pack and is no big deal to carry up a route to say work on a pitch high up on a route. It comes with two litheon batteries(very light)and does not have the chipping hammer which in my opinion is a totally useless feature on a climbing drill.I have drilled 15 bolts off one battery
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SPL Tech
Sport climber
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May 20, 2010 - 12:14pm PT
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Bosch all the way. I have the new 36v BullDog and it drills steel hard rock effortlessly.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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May 20, 2010 - 12:55pm PT
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I've got a hilti TE-5A, two 12v gel cells and a charger that I'd planned on putting together for a drill setup, but just haven't had the time. $175 shipped to your door.
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flamer
Trad climber
denver
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May 20, 2010 - 04:57pm PT
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Timm....to be totally honest I'm not sure how old it is.
I bought it from another climber about 6 years ago. I think he'd purchased it about 2 years before that. I can find out for sure if you'd like.
It comes with the case a couple of bits and I'll throw in 10 bolt hangers.
I built a fatty battery for it.
It's a nice drill that's put in maybe 30 bolts. Neither myself or the original owner use dit as much as we thought.
If you email your address I'll figure out the shipping cost.
I'd take a reasonable offer as well.
Cheers,
Josh
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Timmc
climber
BC
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May 25, 2010 - 10:02am PT
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Kinnikinik: Those new Bosch's look great- can't find them in Calgary yet.
Flamer: thanks for the good offer. I'm still trying to figure out if the new lithiums are worth the cost of buying a new drill vs used.
R &I just had a quick blurb on the new 36v Bosch with lithium for about 600 bucks....black and red- not bosch blue.....
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Juan Maderita
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 15, 2011 - 01:33pm PT
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No. A rotary hammer drill, aka: "rotohammer" is a different animal. A hammer drill will slowly drill a couple holes in the homeowner's concrete wall. It is not what you want for drilling multiple holes in rock.
You want a rotohammer with an chuck for SDS bits.
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426
climber
☬
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Feb 16, 2011 - 08:23am PT
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Versus...+/?
http://vimeo.com/16144399
(Ground up hook bolting)
Anyone know the bosch model about 3:00 in?
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J. Werlin
Social climber
Cedaredge, CO
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Feb 16, 2011 - 12:12pm PT
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I've been quite happy with this light weight Makita. I already had a charger and batteries, as own own a few different makita cordless tools for work, so that was part of why I bought it. (Also, the makita cordless drills at work have outlasted Bosch, Miluakee, Hitachi and Porter Cable.) I drilled about 14 3/8x4" holes in some volcanic igneous rock before batt. death.. Haven't maxed it out on granite yet, but it has plenty of guts.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Feb 17, 2011 - 02:00am PT
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Cool video 426, why would anyone want to cheat themselves out of that kind of fun?
I love when you throw a hook on, then need to move all around to find the best stance and placement.
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