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TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 17, 2007 - 10:51am PT
Where even 5.5 has roofs. And 5.4 can kill. :-)

Took a new outdoor climber out Saturday.

Jackie 5.5 P1 (2 roofs) linked to Classic (5.4?) P2, fairly vertical dihedral.

TR'ed Boston 5.4 wide (need at least 5 inch cams to protect). (and thin face climbing on a route to the right.)

Baby (5.6) P1 crack and face followed by p2 steep dihedral topped by crux roof.

Then Katzenjammer 5.7 to finish up a short day.

***
Friend had only seen Red Rocks the week before. Says Gunks are harder, even though some of the grades were easier. Have to teach roof technique.

***

Lame TR, but climbing post needed today IMO.

Irisharehere

Trad climber
Gunks
Apr 17, 2007 - 11:21am PT
Now take them on Hawk, High E, and Madame G's next weekend, for the full Gunks experience!
TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2007 - 11:35am PT
:-)

New to outdoor climbing. Trying to stick to stuff where I can reverse the route if necessary and also keep follower in sight as much as possible. Like to keep this climbing partner (so far!). Though I would consider Horseman just because it is so cool.

Friend almost made it all the way up Plan F (5.10) at Red Rocks. Multiple hangs on Baby roof, no hangs on crux roof of Jackie, but took about 4 tries to figure out. (In fairness, Jackie roof is probably a bit tougher for the vertically challenged.)

Hawk might be nice, but not while it is soaking wet. I have only done Madame G's and High E once each. I recall MG as just a lot of vertical jug work, so it would probably be ok, but High E> Ha!, we will wait a bit for that one. Kind of a one move wonder, but one where climber is not in sight and may not even be in audible contact.
Irisharehere

Trad climber
Gunks
Apr 17, 2007 - 11:40am PT
Yeah, if you want to keep in contact with them, Horseman would be OK, can always split it into two pitches. Try Shockleys - always fun! Or Gelsa out in the Nears
TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2007 - 11:49am PT
I have not yet done Shockley's! :-) Guess it is time to do that one.

Did Gelsa once, and never understood its popularity.

Getting on Horseman is a crap shoot on the weekend unless you are willing to wait. Usually have done that during the week.

Beginner's Delight P2 and P3 are worth it, as well as all of 3 Pines with the white face variation on last pitch. Will hit them soon.

Maybe it is time I lead P1 of Erect Direction. Strength is not an issue.
scuffy b

climber
The town that Nature forgot to hate
Apr 17, 2007 - 11:54am PT
Thanks for the report. It seems nice that you're so intent on avoiding the "turn-off" incident.
Good Luck!!!!
jstan

climber
Apr 17, 2007 - 12:17pm PT
Goodness! All those old names.
Hawk Trip Report(1965)
My first time tied into a rope there were three of us beginners sitting on that first eight inch ledge banging our heels on the rock and enjoying the view. As the fourth beginner tried to join us on the ledge we all had to move over. As we did there was a metallic sound followed immediately by a calm statement from the leader. "Don't anyone move." He then reached over and clipped us all in again.
I don't remember Erect Direction. Was that a Kliegfield route? If so you should go look at what I think is his masterpiece, Kliegfield Follies. As you go up the situations just get more and more unlikely.

When you partner has become entirely comfortable with the place, go to MF. Once you get the small holds above the ceiling you know you have found a home.

Cheers,
Irisharehere

Trad climber
Gunks
Apr 17, 2007 - 12:33pm PT
Gelsa is all about the last pitch. Certainly a bit pedestrian for experienced climbers, but for someone getting used to climbing outdoors, it's PCE - Pure Climbing Enjoyment!!!!

Vertical, right-facing corner, great big holds, nothing to worry about, just enjoy the movement and the views out over the valley..........

On another note, it starts to rain EVERY single time I climb the first pitch of that route!!!!!
TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2007 - 12:40pm PT
That's funny. I thought Erect Direction was a John Stannard route. Will have to go look at the guide book. First pitch is 8, second is 10 IIRC.
jstan

climber
Apr 17, 2007 - 02:14pm PT
Had he not preferred doing aid I always thought Roy could just as well have done those climbs fifth class. It was a matter of what he liked doing. Whatever the truth of the matter, he had a superb eye for routes.

I suggested MF because it really is a threshold breaking climb. When I got above the overhang and found there was no air passing by my ears I decided if this was possible, anything must be possible. Most people doing Jim's climb wind up having a sort of primal response.
kimgraves

Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
Apr 17, 2007 - 03:43pm PT
Might try the 5.5 variation of Beginner's Delight - it goes straight up following the corner as it curves over you. It's spectacular!

Best, Kim

Edit: also Sixish (5.4).
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
Apr 17, 2007 - 03:53pm PT
I recall on my first real trip to the Gunks (got rained out the first time) doing Modern Times. Holy crap!! Biggest 5.8 roof on the planet.
Irisharehere

Trad climber
Gunks
Apr 17, 2007 - 04:51pm PT
Lol, MT is still regarded by many as a "5.8 to do when you climb 5.9"!!!!!!! Many have taken the big ride coming off the roof.

We'll see if I ever get near it!
JB

Trad climber
Potsdam, NY
Apr 17, 2007 - 05:28pm PT
Ah Modern Times. My first multipitch (or attempt at least). Didn't have a nut tool, so the nut getting stuck under the first roof led to a mini-epic and retreat...

Need to get back on that sometime.
TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2007 - 05:50pm PT
Hmm... :-)

Trolling? Alzheimer's? Or did Dick Williams get it wrong?

Erect Direction
5.8, 5.10c, 5.9+, FFA 1973, John Stannard and John Bragg


Hmm II
Updraft :-) I have enjoyed ;-) watching people do Belly Roll, but that has a bomber jug that allows you to escape as soon as you can reach it.
DavisGunkie

Trad climber
Davis, CA
Apr 17, 2007 - 05:51pm PT
id vote against taking a beginer up shockleys especially if they had trouble on Jackie's roof. With road noise the leader won't hear anything the follower has to say. I was caught behind a a party where the second was hanging in mid air on the verge of tears since he couldn't do anything. i had to take him up shockleys without (which is a mighty fun variation)

i second gelsa.

horseman you really can not see the follower for only the first bit, but its pretty mellow. the scariest part of the traverse is rounding the nose, and you can watch them or have them sit on it.
TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2007 - 05:56pm PT
Davis, I agree with everything you just said. I only once decided not to take somebody new up Horseman, and that was during the week for fear that it might be highly adventurous trying to retrieve gear if the follower freaked and bailed before the traverse.

This partner would have no trouble with that!
DavisGunkie

Trad climber
Davis, CA
Apr 17, 2007 - 06:10pm PT
eh, i personally don't think it would be that hard to downclimb the initial face.

worst comes to worst, you could downclimb to the tree and then lower off that.
TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2007 - 06:28pm PT
? DavisG, I was thinking that I run both Horseman pitches together, as usual. That avoids making newbie uncomfortable with nearly hanging belay at the chains (also allows you to put pro above last few feet of traverse eliminating some pendulum potential). Say the second bails somewhere before the traverse, leaving lots of gear to clean. Sure I can pull up the rope and clean P2 on rappel.

What are you suggesting about the gear on the traverse and anything that might be left on face of P1?
DavisGunkie

Trad climber
Davis, CA
Apr 17, 2007 - 07:32pm PT
well you said if the follower freaked out before the traverse...

Depending on your comfort level leading it.

you can get something in from the corner out on the traverse within arms reach of the corner

then when you round the corner pplace as high as you confident with (at that point its just a big jug haul).That should protect the second for the back-end of the traverse.


Anything on the face after the traverse you should be able to get on rappel should the need arise.


What i would do is reclimb the first face and then downclimb cleaning as i go. I think the 5.5 is turning the corner, and that face is easy to downclimb

le_bruce

climber
Oakland: what's not to love?
Apr 17, 2007 - 07:38pm PT

Picture = 1,000. Post up your photos for we who've never been out there.
mack

Trad climber
vermont
Apr 17, 2007 - 07:53pm PT
All this talk of the Gunks is priming me for this weekend...I'll be there. The weather is supposed to be grand...for me any way, coming fom Vermont.
Mack
Irisharehere

Trad climber
Gunks
Apr 17, 2007 - 08:15pm PT
Horseman heads up a thin crack past a small tree (on the left of the photo), then continues up the large right-facing corner. Up towards the top, you traverse out left, around the nose, then climb the face above....



sorry for the small image, best I could find in a hurry!
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Apr 17, 2007 - 08:16pm PT
le_bruce:
Picture = 1,000. Post up your photos for we who've never been out there.

jstan:
When you partner has become entirely comfortable with the place, go to MF. Once you get the small holds above the ceiling you know you have found a home.

Irisharehere

Trad climber
Gunks
Apr 17, 2007 - 08:24pm PT
Modern Times goes up the face here - where the climber is, to a big belay ledge.


The second pitch, you work your way up to this roof - and then try to find the 5.8+ way through it!!!!!

Irisharehere

Trad climber
Gunks
Apr 17, 2007 - 08:33pm PT
Of course, for some SERIOUS Gunks roofs, you can head to the Yellow Wall. One of Johnny Bragg's finest lines!

jstan

climber
Apr 17, 2007 - 08:57pm PT
With old age you lose two things. Thanks to your memory going first you never miss the loss of the second.

Erect Direction: There is not a chance I would ever give a climb this name. Zero. My old guides are in the desert so I can't refer to them. I think Roy Kliegfield did it first. Get the old blue guide.

Horseman: I have saved the Horseman photo posted above. From the old Eastern Trade days I have a picture of Horseman taken in 1940 or 1941 by Fritz. Once I get the 8x10 scanned I will post the two together. Prepare to be separated from your socks!

Yellow Wall: I walked by Yellow Wall one day while Jim and friends were first doing it. Correct or not I have the vague recollection they spent the night on it just for fun. Years later Kevin Bein was doing it on top rope. I saw him come off. He swung out half way to New Paltz.

So there you go. You have proof positive old Gunks climbers love to blubber in their beer over old times just like everyone else.



TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2007 - 09:23pm PT
Perhaps it was given its name by the first ascentionists, Bill Goldner and Deniss Mehmett in 1966.

So did you free the second pitch? I have never tried it myself.

Swain says One of the best 5.10s in the Gunks. If the second falls off the last pitch, an epic may ensue. ... Crabcrawl right , and layback desperately to a hanging belay... He has the same FA and FFA info as Williams. I do not have blue book.
BadInfluence

Mountain climber
Dak side
Apr 17, 2007 - 09:24pm PT
JStan how about Fat City in one pitch

Tradisgood, you should climb the 2nd and 3rd pitch of ED hot route.
TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 17, 2007 - 09:37pm PT
:-) While I may have managed to get up a couple one move wonder 10 pitches on TR at the Gunks, I don't climb (often) with that quality leader - and I sure am not in that category myself.

I have yet to lead an 8 there - and that is my home crag! I keep saying this year.

So I repeat. This year. I love Snookies Return, but worry about getting the first piece in despite never falling on the climb. Followed ED P1 once. Thinking also about ED and last pitch of Bombs Away Dream Baby, which is already downgraded below 8. Also like Sundown, Twisted Sister, and the variation of Raubenheimers, but don't have the right wires for the latter two.
Aya K

Trad climber
New York
Apr 17, 2007 - 11:35pm PT
Ugh. If you're worrying about gear on a climb like Snookies, I'd stay away from BADB. The second pitch crux is a really long reach with gear below your feet and if you blow it, you will most likely deck unless you have a REALLY good belayer and a not-very-stretchy rope. Middle Earth is a very nice 5-6 (depending on who you consult) in the same area (and you can take a look at BADB and decide, since their second pitches start at the same point).

Ursula, The Last Will be First, and Miss Bailey are 3 particularly good 5.5 - 6's I've done this so far this year. I've decided I'm going to try to hit all the 2-3 star 5, 6, 7, and 8's that I haven't led yet this year, and try to get more comfortable at 9s, so It's been a lot of the 5s and 6s the past few weeks.

Someone mentioned Sixish (5.4) and that is always my favorite climb to take new climbers on, because you get a little of a lot of things (a layback move or two at the beginning, a thin traverse on a ledge, a blocky gunks corner, a traverse around a nose, a semi-hanging belay (if you stop), a roof that feels overhanging to a newbie off of the belay, beautiful gunks face climbing and the GT ledge. What more could you want in a 5.4??)

Looks like the weather's beautiful this weekend, so I'm off to the dacks!
ghand

Sport climber
Golden,Colorado
Apr 18, 2007 - 12:57am PT
Per Blue Guide (published 1972):
175. Erect Direction 5.5 A2
F.A. Bill Goldner and Dennis Mehmet in 1966.
le_bruce

climber
Oakland: what's not to love?
Apr 18, 2007 - 02:59am PT

Whoa! Thanks Chiloe, Irish, and Bad.

Those are terrific photos, breathtaking lines... Thanks for posting.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Apr 18, 2007 - 03:38am PT
thanks for the pix and the blast from the past... hopefully I'll be out in late May or early June on a trip swinging through the east coast and can arrange a day of playing hooky!

I love the 'Gunks, fun fun cragging!
JubJubBird

Trad climber
Apr 18, 2007 - 04:16am PT
Take em on The DANGLER!

TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2007 - 07:28am PT
Aya, maybe BADB is height related? Do not remember the roof move as reachy. I am also thinking there was a cam placement within reach above the roof.

But I could be wrong. How did these callouses get on my knuckles?
jstan

climber
Apr 18, 2007 - 01:37pm PT
Bill Goldner and Roy used to climb together so I can
believe I got the two confused after forty years of doing
other things. I do remember something about ED so I
may have freed it. Have to check my old blue book. I
wrote stuff down in it.

Fat City as one pitch?
I do remember a little on that one. Rope drag is the
issue as you may want to traverse around on the
easier but still overhanging rock near the top. A lot
of air up there. If you third class the first 50 feet or so
and put a long runner in to protect the move to the
pin at the hard move you will have drag only if you
move left right after the hard part. If you stay difficult
and take the second OH right above the crux you
will then have three pieces in-line after you put
another in to protect your exit. So yeah, you may
still be able to move right then left up there.
Thought of double rope? Will 160' reach?

Oh by the way, if it is not noted in the books.
Gary Brown did, by far, the hardest climbing
when he put in the pin at the crux. He was
the man.

It has been a long time so I may have something misremembered.
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Apr 18, 2007 - 02:25pm PT
Some random Gunks photos:

Yellow Wall (also in the New Scanner - Old Climbs thread)


Mellow Yellow


Our beloved Kevin Bein (R.I.P.) on Matinee


Groovy


Westward Ha!


Trapped Like a Rat


Arrow


Beatle Brow Bulge


Feast of Fools


Oblique Twique in Winter



Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Apr 18, 2007 - 02:58pm PT
Thanks for sharing those classic climbing photos, Rich.

What's your impression about the popularity of 5.10-and-up leads in the Gunks now, compared with a few decades past?
BadInfluence

Mountain climber
Dak side
Apr 18, 2007 - 03:32pm PT
RGold you are ripped on the yellow wall one of 0% body fat types.

JStan my buddy in the photo is a strong boy he only placed 6 pieces of gear to do FC in 1 pitch. I'm a weakling though that's why i take photos
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Apr 18, 2007 - 03:47pm PT
Chiloe, I'm peripheral enough to the climbing scene that I really can't compare 5.10 and up climbing activitiy now and earlier. There are certainly plenty of people climbing at that level, and since it isn't unusual any more, no one makes any kind of fuss about it.

Of course, styles have changed; much more top-roping, and dogging seems to be an accepted practice, along with various linguistics adjustments. For example, a person who takes multiple hangs on a route may say they have done the route. They may or may not add that they have not done it "cleanly." What we would have called "failing" back in the day now seems to be "doing," and what we would have called "doing" seems now to be "doing cleanly." Confusing to us old codgers, but hey, it's all good.

I think protection ratings have decreased the traffic on R-rated routes. (People knew about the X-rated routes before they were X-rated.) When no one knew a route was R-rated, they just went up and tried it, either coping with whatever they found or retreating if they didn't like the pro. Now the R rating is cause for avoidance.

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Apr 18, 2007 - 03:55pm PT
...various linguistics adjustments. For example, a person who takes multiple hangs on a route may say they have done the route. They may or may not add that they have not done it "cleanly." What we would have called "failing" back in the day now seems to be "doing," and what we would have called "doing" seems now to be "doing cleanly." Confusing to us old codgers, but hey, it's all good.

[codger]Drives me nuts when they say that![/codger]
TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2007 - 04:14pm PT
rgold, is the belayer on Arrow there just for the fun of watching the leader at the crux (looks like it is above the GT ledge)?
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Apr 18, 2007 - 08:17pm PT
Yeah, the belayer is there for sociablility and communication.
Aya K

Trad climber
New York
Apr 18, 2007 - 08:19pm PT
TiG, there's no gear above the crfux to protect the move on BADB that I am aware of - not for me, and not for my 6+ foot bf, nor for anyone else that I've ever heard of. The difficulty of the move itself may be height related, but protecting it is not.

These have been seen here before but -

Shockley's, 5.6

High E, 5.6 (photo by Mike Stanislaw)

CCK, 5.7

Thin Slabs direct 5.7



TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2007 - 08:30pm PT
Aya, nice pics! Thanks.

Since I think there is gear there and there may not be, if I go lead it, will it be an on-sight.

Would not be my first Alzheimer's on-sight if it is! Anyway my ancient brain says that when I followed it, there was a piece to take out that my poor 5'0" leader was sweating over, because of the move, and the move was a piece of cake (for me). Maybe I check it out this weekend!

Great Gunks pics. Some day I will get the digital workflow problem solved and post pictures. (Yeah, and some day I will lead Gunks 5.8!)

Anybody out there done Scalawag (RR) and The Dangler (Gunks)? (not me, yet!)
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Apr 18, 2007 - 08:38pm PT
5.9 is for beginners at the sport crags, but feels like a respectable onsight grade at the Gunks. One favorite from last summer, Inverted Layback.

TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2007 - 08:47pm PT
Chiloe - sounds a bit elitist, no?

But Inverted Layback does rock! Followed that in the rain (which does not, thankfully, affect the crux) last year. Intimidating from below, and you get the business at the crux! You have to love the Gunks routes with the crux at or near the top of the climb!

Great picture!

Thanks
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Apr 18, 2007 - 09:05pm PT
Chiloe - sounds a bit elitist, no?

Heh, someone who's hung out at a few sport crags.
BadInfluence

Mountain climber
Dak side
Apr 18, 2007 - 09:35pm PT
this is the Bad ass cliff

The Bank
TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2007 - 09:42pm PT
:-)

Part of it, anyway!
BadInfluence

Mountain climber
Dak side
Apr 18, 2007 - 09:51pm PT
here's some more of Millbrook

TradIsGood

Happy and Healthy climber
the Gunks end of the country
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 21, 2007 - 11:51pm PT
Another awesome roof exists on Northern Pillar (5.2), but the route goes around it. In reality, most turn left and go to Madame G's. But if you scramble up right at the top of p3, you get a nice huge roof. Not sure if it can be protected on lead.

Took up a partner today who wanted to learn trad leading. She got in 5 pitches including P2,P3 of NP.

We also got a chance to TR Ape Call, slab low, sweet roof above.

More good wx tmrw.
Kligfield

Mountain climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 1, 2008 - 11:28pm PT
Please excuse my coming late into the forum. But a number of questions can be cleared up if my memory serves me. Regarding Erect Direction, it was a Goldner route, and not my route. I think I must have done the second ascent with Dennis Mehmet, if anyone remembers him. At the time it was a big aid route and there weren't many of these in the Gunks. John S. is right--the fascination with aid on these routes was mostly because we were trying to practice for the "hard" routes in Yosemite. It was a distinct handicap to grow up free climbing in the Gunks and then try to aid climb in the Valley--at least in the 60s. There were actually a few first ascents I did that we indeed did first free, and then went back and nailed them! Hard to believe but understandable when you consider we needed to practice our aid. One of these type of episodes was on the route called "The Nose". This was the route that I climbed first on aid with Charlie Porter. We both realized that it should make an easy free climb, so I recall that same day telling John S. about it and he and Gary B. returned and free climbed it easily. It probably was his EASIEST first free ascent ever. Such were the good times in the Gunks olden days. Another anomoly was what eventually became Yellow Wall Direct, or a Direct Start to Yellow Wall. I climbed this on aid with Dennis Hennick way back in the late sixties. No bolts were placed and we thought that this was hard aid at the time. Subsequently it was freed but the bolts were placed in support of the free climbing efforts. Curiously, as I was walking back from the first pitch aid effort, I looked over to Dennis and shouted that for a veteran of the NA Wall this must be easy for him. He looked at me in a puzzled way, and said: "Dennis? My name is not Dennis! I'm Charlie..." It turns out that I mistook "Charlie" for Dennis Hennick. Of course Charlie turned out to be Charlie Porter and this was his first Gunks first ascent together with me. He and I immediately teamed up to do an early ascent of New Frontier at Millbrook--another great climb that John and Gary teamed up to free climb. And finally, I'm well aware of how everyone enjoys the first pitch of Kligfield Follies. During the first ascent we used two points of aid on this pitch. But curiously we were really anxious about the SECOND pitch because of the large roof. We actually freed the second pitch (must have been 5.10 but at the time nobody dared call something that hard so we didn't grade it more than 5.9). I had no idea as to how popular this climb would become. Kudos to the subsequent generations of free climbers who now enjoy it as a Gunks classic.
jstan

climber
Aug 2, 2008 - 12:41am PT
Roy:
Boulder eh? So that is where you got to. Where's Dennis? Goldner?

And yes, for what it's worth, IMO the Follies is one of the best routes in
the Gunks. Since there are so many good routes and since the rock
naturally runs to great variety in technical challenges, that's saying a
whole lot.

I tried doing aid once. Wound up with a stupid expression on my face
when I realized my foot was on a big hold and the aid sling was not
weighted at all.

My younger brother lives near there. If you email me your phone number
I can check in with you before I go out to his area. You have dozens of
great stories I have not heard.

John

WhatamIThinking
Belay that.
Emails are better than a telephone.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Mar 25, 2015 - 12:36am PT
**So now I see, Kligfield was on thee taco way befoe' me yikes,*
Now that's embarrassing ,

BUMP,
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Mar 25, 2015 - 04:16am PT
Gnome: Do you climb at the Gunks?
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Mar 28, 2015 - 05:02pm PT
YES Anita, The Gunks run in my blood.

I am not sure if i'm getting a pass this year???

Do you make that trek past all the Dak's, and lions Head?

to jostle with the crowds at the Gunks??

I have so much good stone just south of the gunks

but i do go for the fullest of moons and that sort of thing,

let me know when your down here.
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Mar 28, 2015 - 08:08pm PT
Yep I used to head down for weekends in the spring and fall before surgery. Was hoping to go down next weekend. Maybe later in April or May.
I'll drop you a line if I do. Also not sure if I'm getting a pass... Guess it depends on how well I do on rock and how often I go.
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