Climbing Everest is Not Climbing


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Boulder climber
May 28, 2019 - 07:06am PT
"The internet hype is also partially responsible for real estate overpricing/bubble in the Western states, drawing the hordes to move to inhospitable environments that lack water to support these populations"

total BS, there were boom and bust cycles long before the internet existed. Back in the 80s they said that sunny weather for the Rose Bowl parade would cause 10k people to move to California. Can you really blame the TV? The population was migrating to the coasts long before social media.

Climbing went mainstream before the widespread use of the internet. What did climbers do before social media? I remember pouring over the new climbs each month in Climbing Magazine. Any yeah, the mags had the slander going on too. It is just real time now, instead of monthly installments.

I said partially in what I posted. There're multiple reasons behind the current hype and bubbles, but internet is the top one, I believe.

TV, magazines has spread info in the past but the internet with flood of facebook and instagram picture feeds is surely spreading the word a lot faster.

Social climber
Southern Arizona
May 28, 2019 - 07:06am PT
Jim: I don’t think the question posed is about ascending into the “death zone.” The question is what to call the process currently in use to get people there. Depends on your definition of what climbing is.

For some people it IS about getting into a death zone. The sense of a thrill is what attracts them. Money would seem to be the indicator of how cheap it is to feel one's blood flow.

What we might have here in the thread is an example of "moral combat." I think what you're arguing about is a sense of aesthetics--which becomes a sense of ethics.

The conversation certainly is not seeking a denotative definition of climbing. Climbing is simply moving up on rock, ice, and dirt.

Gold Canyon, AZ
May 28, 2019 - 10:08am PT
Go do it, come back and tell us how “trivial” it is. I know plenty of hard ass climber that have...and haven’t reached the top.

Everest isn't trivial at all, but when your greatest mortal threat comes from waiting in line, it may not be what we normally think of as climbing.


Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2019 - 10:31am PT
Donini's quip about "one less lawyer around the watercolor in Manhattan" proves presient ... except that this year's 11th dead climber (from Conga-Everest syndrome) is a lawyer from Boulder.

This video has more images of the Conga line at various points enroute to the summit.

Standing in that line (and climbing around a dead climber whose body is secured to the fixed line) should give everyone time to contemplate the madness of their endeavor; however, once there, it's simply too late to "pack it in" and go home. On the other hand, I'll bet more than a few did.

Nepal has been far too reasonable and democratic; it needs to raise the fee from $11,000 to $100,000 to thin the crowd (while probably maintaining the same income flow) for this unique privilege.
Don Paul

Social climber
Washington DC
May 29, 2019 - 04:42am PT
Commentary from the Onion:

GENEVA—Saying they had no real problem with wealthy thrill-seekers failing in their efforts to scale the tallest mountain on earth, the entire human population admitted Tuesday that they are, in fact, completely fine with rich people dying on Mount Everest. “These guys shelling out a hundred grand to climb a 29,000-foot peak with a team of Sherpas are obviously aware that many people have died in the attempt, so they kind of know what they’re getting into, right?” said Cleveland resident Richard Warvil, echoing the sentiments of the world’s 7.7 billion people, who acknowledged the deaths of affluent amateur climbers who voluntarily ascend to heights at which oxygen stops reaching the brain don’t really upset them all that much. “At a certain point, you’re kind of bringing it on yourself. Plus, if you have that much disposable income and, of all the things you could do with that money, you choose to spend it on this—well, we’re actually okay with you dying. It may sound harsh, but we’re gonna get along just fine without you.” At press time, sources confirmed no candlelight vigils were being held at the foot of Mount Everest.

This Everest Climber begins his interview by saying he's summitted three times. He not only stepped over dead bodies on the way up, but passed 40-60 people, and ends the interview complaining that "nobody wants to let you pass."

I also notice that the Everest Climbers being interviewed all refer to ropes as "safety lines." I guess they only use fixed ropes and consider them part of the climb.
Rattlesnake Arch

Social climber
Home is where we park it
May 29, 2019 - 06:19am PT
Aw cmon dudes need a way to suffer and die too...

Trad climber
May 29, 2019 - 06:44am PT
it's better than suffering the indignity of an unemployment line or the DMV.

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 29, 2019 - 06:57am PT
Masters of the universe angst.
Rattlesnake Arch

Social climber
Home is where we park it
May 29, 2019 - 10:58am PT
I'm amazed that the fixed ropes can handle that kind of abuse. A failure would be spectacular...

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
May 29, 2019 - 11:53am PT


Mountain climber
The Ocean
May 31, 2019 - 05:31pm PT
I just helped save 7 leatherback turtles tonight...way f*#king cooler than climbing a tonga line to the top of a mountain...

someone please drill a f*#king hole in Everest with a pressurized elevator already.
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