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climber
May 27, 2019 - 10:51pm PT
Damn, this sucks. I haven't been on here in a long while (couldn't even remember my password), but I'm sad to see the forum go. Lots of cool memories here.

Now, can anyone find that WELD_IT thread where he did a gear review on some plastic bags as vapor barrier liners?
wildone

climber
EP
May 27, 2019 - 11:18pm PT
Another poster alerted me to this sh#t.

Can't believe this is shutting down. It doesn't make any sense to me.
Such is life.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
May 28, 2019 - 09:54am PT
RJ -

1) First, my apology on posting the boobs thread was shut only due to advertiser complaints. I could swear I read that was listed as a reason for the upset over that thread at the time; that advertisers stated they had a strong female base and that they had received complaints themselves about supporting a board that included a thread(s) that reveled in the objectification of women.

I do apologize if that was not the case, or I mistinterpreted someone who was not in the know(ST mgmt) who made that statement as a matter of opinion when it was m=not a factual statement.

2) Would it be okay for us to create threads on other forums where we included a link to ST threads, specifically the various memorials(John Bachar, BVB and so on)?

If it would be okay, do you know if the link would work(Meaning if someone clicked, or copy/pasted - would that address connect to the archived link, or would it generate an error message?


3) IS there a way we Supertopians could ante up some donations to help defray the costs that have been incurred with ST over all these years? A PayPal address we could kick in at? Or some other fairly easy way to finally do what we maybe ought to have thought to do years ago?




RJ Spurrier

SuperTopo staff member
May 28, 2019 - 12:20pm PT
HappieGrrrl:

Thanks for your note. Here are my two cents on the things you asked.

1) First, my apology on posting the boobs thread was shut only due to advertiser complaints. I could swear I read that was listed as a reason for the upset over that thread at the time.

No apology needed. I suspect someone made a post speculating that an advertiser was the reason, but that speculation was incorrect. What actually happened was that a forum member sent a Feedback message to Chris and I pointing out the boobs thread, Chris and I discussed it on email and agreed it was inappropriate, and then I personally deleted the boobs thread. All that happened within minutes of us being notified about it, which had nothing to do with any advertiser.

2) Would it be okay for us to create threads on other forums where we included a link to ST threads

Yes, of course, you can link to ST threads. No problem at all and the URLs will remain the same on June 1st as they are today. The only change will be the images will no longer appear, and the threads will be locked. The URLs will be exactly the same, and the site search will still work like it does today. Trip Reports will continue to function just like they are today, with images being displayed like they are now. The only diff with TRs will be that commenting will be locked. We will move the server to a lower-cost hosting configuration since the high-performance requirements we have today will be much lower after these changes, but that change in server hardware should not result in a noticeable change in load times (in fact, without images, load time might be much faster even on a lower cost server configuration).

3) IS there a way we Supertopians could ante up some donations to help defray the costs that have been incurred with ST over all these years?


That is very kind of you, but not necessary. That kind of funding effort would be better directed at some new Forum destination such as you have started at CTS or a non-profit climbing-related cause. Our concern is not with past-costs, but with avoiding future potential litigation costs.

rj

mike m

Trad climber
black hills
May 28, 2019 - 12:27pm PT
Wow haven’t kept up on any of this but spent the last decade posting thousands of entries on the forum. Bums me out as most posts were very much climbing related and had pictures. Only did several tr’s but always felt that the forum is where ST SHINED. if anyone could save this stuff it would be great but I honestly don’t have the bandwidth at this point. I guess I will see you all later but will miss many of the threads myself and others created.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 28, 2019 - 12:43pm PT
I was in the outdoor industry for years and have seen “potential litigation” used as a reason for terminating products and services several times when reasons, that went unstated, were much more the cause. Thus, when I see “potential litigation” being used, I get a beep from my bullshit detector.
RJ Spurrier

SuperTopo staff member
May 28, 2019 - 03:01pm PT
Donini:
when I see “potential litigation” being used, I get a beep from my bullshit detector.

I'm not sure what kind of conspiracy theory you have in mind, Donini, but I think Chris and I have been quite transparent about what is going on, with the exception of holding back details of the current legal case we're dealing with.

It just isn't that complex.
 The Forum has been losing money for years.
 It takes a lot of time.
 We were OK with that until we were recently threatened with a lawsuit related to copyright infringement stemming from user-uploaded images.

That has changed the calculus for us, as we now need to consider not just the costs in time and money to run the Forum that we've incurred every year for the past 18 years, but the prospect of a much deeper investment in time and money due to potential litigation in the future (like the case we're currently wrestling with).

Your comment implying that Chris is a bullshitter suggests you think our reasons for shutting down the Forum just don't make sense. That you believe that no reasonable person would walk away from an 18-year long money-losing venture simply because the future money-losing costs might be dramatically higher than the past money-losing costs.

You have the right to your opinion. And, if it helps you to imagine some grand corporate conspiracy, some dark hand on the tiller, that is nefariously leading to the shut down of the Forum for mysterious dark reasons, then have fun with it.

But, forgive me for finding it more than a little bit offensive for you to accuse Chris and me of being bullshitters after all the time we've spent over the last 18-years keeping this Forum running. We made a big investment in creating and running the Forum, and it is both a surprise and saddens us for it to come to an end. We hope that a new site will take up the slack and provide an even better experience for this community over the next 18 years.

rj
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
May 28, 2019 - 05:13pm PT
RJ,
Don't take a little salt from a ST regular too personally, that's kind of the way ST works, as I imagine you know!

Thanks to you and Chris for providing this forum for many years.

You guys didn't do everything the way I would have liked, but so what, you make something happen, and everyone can be a critic.
ExfifteenExfifteen

climber
May 28, 2019 - 06:00pm PT

Don't take a little salt from a ST regular too personally, that's kind of the way ST works, as I imagine you know!

ROFLMAO...

Sheeeesh, Donini salty... Check
Badasss climber... check
Full of Sh#t,.. Check

I don't read it as RJ taking it personally. That's effing laughable. He's just calling out Donini's bullsh#t... f*#king finally...
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 28, 2019 - 06:13pm PT
RJ,
Solid.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 28, 2019 - 06:32pm PT
Well, if there's one thing that always grows legs in this place, it's conspiracy theories and speculation. Even when facts are presented, they seem to get spun into some bizarre direction.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 28, 2019 - 06:39pm PT
RJ, will we still be able to access our own pictures in the photo section? I know....how can this person not know the answer to that question...but I don't.

Thanks again for it all. As Bridwell once told me, metaphorically speaking of course, thanks for the good doss. Which, I guess either means a home for someone without one. (Me when I got to this place.) A heart home not a brick one. Or, a joint, I'm not sure which he meant at the time. Smiles, lynnie
RJ Spurrier

SuperTopo staff member
May 28, 2019 - 06:54pm PT
Lynne:
will we still be able to access our own pictures in the photo section?

Photos that are included in your Trip Reports will remain on those Trip Reports as they are today. However, photos that appear only on Forum posts will be removed from our server.

So, before June 1st, do please take a moment to download and backup any photos that you have on SuperTopo if you do not have originals on your computer.

This should not impact most people since I think most people will have their original photos stored on their computer and/or at some photo storage site (and likely at a higher resolution than we keep on SuperTopo). But, should you not have an original, and the copy on SuperTopo is the only one you have access to, then please download a copy before June 1st.

rj
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 28, 2019 - 06:56pm PT
RJ, is there a specific time that the Forum will shut down on June 1?

Edit: Thanks for that, RJ.
RJ Spurrier

SuperTopo staff member
May 28, 2019 - 07:01pm PT
Yes, 12am PT on June 1, 2019 (i.e. the morning of June 1st, the end of the day of May 31st).
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
May 28, 2019 - 07:14pm PT

Donini’s bullshit detector obviously needs to be recalibrated, or it needs a new set of batteries.


12am PT on June 1, 2019

Heh. I wonder which dweebs will battle it out for the final post.

Thanks, RJ.

Aeriq

Sport climber
100-year Visitor
May 28, 2019 - 07:34pm PT
The end of some on-line dependent sad lives - BooHoo.

Life goes on.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
May 28, 2019 - 07:36pm PT
Hey all, and RJ/Chris,

don't forget Donini has been one of your very most rock solid contributors on this site, as to keeping the climbing content real, taking un-told amounts of time to write up reports and share with us beauty from all around the world. He has always brought extremes back to the middle and basically, well, kept things real for you and for all of us.

He never once lost his character here, name calling, mean spirited or other shenanigans I would call bullsh#t. He may toot his horn a little now and then but that's usually to challenge the rest of us arm chair climbers to get off the political topics and get out there climbing. I wouldn't be too harsh on him as he definitely kept the better character of this place going for so many years.

Arne

edit-you know people are just a little pissed. You created a platform but it was guys like Donini (and many others) who made it really happen for so many others, year after year.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 28, 2019 - 07:39pm PT
^^^
All so very true, but I can understand RJ & Chris's frustration with a lot of this.

They've endured years of bullshit over the years related to this Forum. It's understandable they'd be offended by anything that resembles an assumption they don't care about this enough to work at it.
gasman

Trad climber
eugene
May 28, 2019 - 07:46pm PT
Agree with the last comment. I am a moderator on a bicycling forum when I'm not lurking here. It's tough work to keep a few people in line, and if you're losing money with the potential to lose more and spend way more time. Pull the ripcord.

Thanks for all you guys have done.
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