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Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Topic Author's Original Post - May 17, 2019 - 10:00am PT
Hi Forum,

It is with a sad heart that I announce that normal operation of the SuperTopo Climber's Forum will cease June 1st.

The Forum has been an amazing digital campfire, with more than 2 million posts over the last 18 years. It has reconnected many climbers with old friends and helped many climbers make new friends. And, there have been many amazing and compelling posts on the site, especially those on climbing-related topics, that have been enjoyed by millions of people.

I have received a ton from this community and feel lucky to have been a part of it. Iíve met a lot of my heroes on this forum and made many great connections. I give warmest thanks to you all. The forum was a big wild experiment with many highs and lows. But mostly highs. Here are some of the things I found the most meaningful on the SuperTopo Forum
 The memorial tributes
 Help with supporting bolt replacement and access issues. This forum helped the ASCA get to 15,000 plus replaced bolts
 The help to create SuperTopo books
 The historical threads
 Reconnecting friends
 Helping collaborate on documentaries and books
 Event threads to support non-profits and members
 El Cap report
 The events that were created and photos and reports that followed

I also want to give a big shout out to RJ who created the forum and kept it running. RJ has been my business partner and a best friend for nearly 2 decades. He has been a big inspiration for me and a co-creator in so many great projects and adventures.

As I noted last week, the SuperTopo Climber's Forum has never been a profitable business venture. It costs us a significant amount of time and money each year to operate the Forum, and we have done so as a service for the climbing community for 18 years. But, the prospect of having to bear increased potential costs in the future, both in time and legal costs, due to litigation related to inappropriate posts by a minority of forum members has changed the math. I am sorry to say this, but we no longer feel we can justify continued operation of the Forum.

I appreciate all the great many posts on climbing related topics that have been made here.

I encourage you to copy and paste any of your content you'd like to save before June 1st.

Starting June 1st, the text of past Forum posts will remain available as an archive. Regrettably, images will no longer be displayed for Forum posts. Trip Reports and Route Beta will remain displaying as they do today with both images and text.

You can continue to post using your existing accounts for the next few weeks, but effective June 1st, the site will strictly become a read-only archive.

Thank you all for making this Forum something special over the last 18 years. Like many of you, I am sad to see it go.

Sincerely,

Chris McNamara
Founder
SuperTopo
hellroaring

Trad climber
San Francisco
May 17, 2019 - 10:01am PT
Damn, thatís a shame...
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
May 17, 2019 - 10:08am PT
=+,.+BLESSINGS OF LIGHT & LOVE ~ THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING
^
sempervirens

climber
May 17, 2019 - 10:08am PT
Thanks Chris!
I'm sad to see it go. Very much appreciate the efforts.
hellroaring

Trad climber
San Francisco
May 17, 2019 - 10:10am PT
Chris, yes thanks so much! Forgot to say that previously.
Stewart Johnson

Gym climber
top lake
May 17, 2019 - 10:21am PT
Haha!
Thanks for the good times!
Later.
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
May 17, 2019 - 10:22am PT
it was a great run Chris. I will really miss this forum. Thanks for all your service and contributions to the climbing community.

WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
May 17, 2019 - 10:23am PT
Starting June 1st, the text of past Forum posts will remain available as an archive. Regrettably, images will no longer be displayed for Forum posts. Trip Reports and Route Beta will remain displaying as they do today with both images and text.


It's really too bad that threads like "Old Mystery Pro" aren't able to be included in the archive. Especially considering this:

I understand why it would be arduous to pick and choose what stays intact as an archive, but it is still sad to loose threads like that. Especially when there are options...

Thanks for hosting this while you did.
fosburg

climber
May 17, 2019 - 10:28am PT
Thanks for the gracious hosting all these years!
Modesto Mutant

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
May 17, 2019 - 10:29am PT
Thanks to Chris and RJ for all of their profound efforts keeping this site alive for so long. And no thanks to those who brought about its demise.
Zay

climber
Monterey, Ca
May 17, 2019 - 10:31am PT
Thank you, Chris Mac.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 17, 2019 - 10:32am PT
I haven't thanked you and RJ yet because I was hoping against hope.

Chris and RJ, thank you so very much! This forum was life changing for me. You may think this sounds crazy.....but my best friend, jesus, used this place to change my life and give me a new life when my husband Dan went to the heavenlies 11 years ago.

Because of you guys and this forum I have a wonderful new community of friends. I learned to ice climb, rock climb, backpack and I got the jewel of a job at Tioga Pass Resort. I also got to house sit for Angela and Jim Donini in fabulous Ouray, CO when one morning I opened up the Taco and was the first to respond to their invitation. This is where I learned about Facelift.....I'm into my 11th year now. I got two pictures into the Senders "Valley" film because they saw them here.

Oh, I could go on and on as so many of us here could. It's amazing you have created a vehicle that can change lives and I'm so glad you can live with that blessing.

Always with huge amounts of peace and joy to you both. Hugs, lynnie



matty

Trad climber
under the sea
May 17, 2019 - 10:32am PT
=(

good ride while it lasted, sad to see it go. Will supertopo guidebooks still exist? Will commenting on route conditions still work?

Thx for keeping it running this long.
Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
May 17, 2019 - 10:37am PT
You can continue to post using your existing accounts for the next few weeks, but effective June 1st, the site will strictly become a read-only archive.

Thank you all for making this Forum something special over the last 18 years. Like many of you, I am sad to see it go.

Sincerely,

Chris McNamara
Founder
SuperTopo




Chris,


Thank you for the Supertopo Forum over the many years. Lots of precious gold was posted in this forum (ST) over that long time.

Will the archive of the SuperTopo Forum be searchable? Will you leave the search engine feature? I sure hope you will.
jamatt

Social climber
Asheville, NC
May 17, 2019 - 10:40am PT
Thanks for the ride! I've enjoyed the TR's and reading the posts of the living legends who frequented the site.

Off belay I guess...
John M

climber
May 17, 2019 - 10:49am PT
How about reopening it once a year for a kind of reunion?

this has been my sort of family for quite some time. Helped me get through a lot of years of health problems. I couldn't get outside much, so thanks to everyone who contributed trip reports, stories, jokes, laughs, advice, support, camaraderie, adventures.. and on and on. Thanks for taking me along.

Some really grand adventures have been shared here. I'm gonna miss this place.


Thanks Chris and RJ.. Supertopo has been a blast. A pain sometimes, but still a lot of good.
NutAgain!

Trad climber
https://nutagain.org
May 17, 2019 - 10:50am PT
Thank you Chris and RJ.

While I might argue for the things I lost in life because of the time sink and addiction to this place, it has overall given me much more. Most of my climbing adventures after 2005 have been with people I met here, and formed some of my best friendships. It has exposed me to awesome new places, adventures, activities to experience, many of which I got to share with my kids.

It helped me learn to deal with confrontation (before my divorce REALLY taught me!), provided a sounding board and support during a messy divorce, supported my efforts to share outdoor experiences with my kids when there were a lot of obstacles to me doing so, and provides an ongoing virtual extension of my social community when my life circumstances are challenging to coordinate with hanging out in the flesh.

And the armchair climbing to supplement my limited time for real climbing!

Thanks again RJ and Chris, and to all of you over the years who have participated in this campfire.

Yíall can sign up to stay in touch and keep tabs on my adventures here. Or just do an occasional anonymous drive-by:
http://nutagain.org

Q- Ball

Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
May 17, 2019 - 10:52am PT
Thanks Chris et al...

I'll be in the woods looking around. Appreciate your time to host this stuff.

I got turned onto supertopo when Todd Skinner died. Amazing the stories and outpouring that accompanied it. Thanks again.
Hugh or Qball
brotherbbock

climber
So-Cal
May 17, 2019 - 11:07am PT
I'm gonna miss Klimmer and Werner...the 2 biggest crankloons on the site
ec

climber
ca
May 17, 2019 - 11:42am PT
Hey, thereís 2 weeks before this fire is out!

Thx, Cmac, RJ & yíall STíians

 ec
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
May 17, 2019 - 11:47am PT
Goodbye cruel world! (or perhaps I should say hello ...)
Glad-handing and back slaps all around. It's been fun.
Gunkie

Trad climber
Valles Marineris
May 17, 2019 - 11:48am PT
So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish

Very enjoyable run. Thanks for providing the forum.

Maybe www.Gunks.com with be brought back from its vegetative state now. Nah.
Roots

Mountain climber
Somewhere Fun
May 17, 2019 - 11:49am PT
Thanks for the belay! I met a ton of great people and chatted with many more via this site.

See you all outside!!!!
ClimbingOn

Trad climber
NY
May 17, 2019 - 11:49am PT
This is really a loss that many people will feel. There's so much historical content on here that cannot be found anywhere else on the web. I learned almost all of my early Yosemite (and elsewhere) climbing history here on ST. Some of the trip reports psyched me up to go places that would not have otherwise been on my radar. I'll miss it.
Lambone

Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
May 17, 2019 - 12:14pm PT
Sad to hear this news. It's been real. Thanks Chris.
sketchypro

Trad climber
Melbourne, florida
May 17, 2019 - 12:18pm PT
total bummer! thanks for all these years! I was mostly a lurker but enjoyed it. Such a great resource.

Ed
Mad69Dog

Ice climber
May 17, 2019 - 12:21pm PT
Bring back rec.climbing!
L

climber
Just livin' the dream
May 17, 2019 - 12:32pm PT
Thank you Chris and RJ for creating and maintaining this remarkable site for the last 18 years.

And thank you, Supertopians, for all the humor, the great stories, the even greater photos, and for generally getting in there and mixing it up with life.

It has truly been a wonderful adventure.

Wishing you all the best on whatever path you're following now and in the future.

Off belay.

Laura
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 17, 2019 - 12:35pm PT
kingtut, a reason why pharaoh's no longer exist....:)

Scott McNamara

climber
Tucson, Arizona
May 17, 2019 - 12:37pm PT
Thanks, Chris and RJ!

Thanks for all the years of good stuff.

I am sorry you had to suffer so much bad stuff.

Best,

Scott McNamara
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
May 17, 2019 - 12:41pm PT

Many thanks, Chris.

guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
May 17, 2019 - 12:42pm PT
Kingtut...... well said.

The wide fetish is up and Running. The Fish isnít looking to make bank, just some laughs.

See you all - around.
TwistedCrank

climber
Released into general population, Idaho
May 17, 2019 - 12:44pm PT
Best damn forum on the Internet.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
May 17, 2019 - 12:51pm PT
Thanks, Chris and RJ - it's been a good ride (17 years for me, since 9/2002).

Does this mean you will shut down the guidebooks, too?
I can't imagine they make very much money.
I would guess that both the guidebooks and forum were done because you enjoyed climbing so much at the time.
Although I suppose nobody has tried to sue you over the guidebooks.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
May 17, 2019 - 12:53pm PT
Something important is being thrown away because they didn't figure out how to make money at it.
He actually did, through gear reviews, something that started here in this forum and has since moved to other sites RJ manages currently - and according to CMac's enormocast interview - they're making money.

Fact is y'all are useless, got left behind, and now are being cut. A few, apparently, are litigation bait. Ultimately, what monetary value are you to CMac and RJ? Zero. I accept it. I already have every Supertopo guide ever made - bought like 10-20 years ago. I run an ad blocker. I just come here for an escape - on someone else's dime.
johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
May 17, 2019 - 12:56pm PT
It appears the ship has left the dock, but is there no way this forum can't be saved?

Member funding?
Member moderation?

Chris, I have to ask: you state profitability/loss and time as the reasons for shutting down. There have been numerous offers of support to keep the magic alive. Why are you not reaching out for these resources?

The members of the forum could go a long ways towards mitigation of cost and time. Just sayin'
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
May 17, 2019 - 12:57pm PT
Thanks for the last seventeen years.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
May 17, 2019 - 12:59pm PT
Sad day. Thanks for hosting. Thanks to all who participated in the forum. I met lots of good people online and in person through this site. And of course thereís been tons of great history, news, advice, etc posted here.
edkeller

Boulder climber
NY
May 17, 2019 - 01:04pm PT
What about approaching the American Alpine Club, and/or Alpinist Magazine, and/or similar, to get support to keep the entire archive- WITH photos- available? And/or continuing the forum?

I myself am only a sporadic climber these days, having spent my 1982-87 summers in the Valley among other places. But I still check the Forum and follow news here pretty regularly.

Thanks for everything you have done.

Very warmly
Ed Keller
Caddy

Trad climber
Folsom, CA
May 17, 2019 - 01:07pm PT
Chris,

Thank you for hosting SUPERTOPO Forum for 18 Years. When it started it was a tool better than email for rock climbers to connect on good subjects. However all the digital platforms have been taken over by trolls obsessed with their own hateful views. Like a party, that gets too noisy late at night, its time to shut it down.

Climb On,

Caddy

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 17, 2019 - 01:09pm PT
Chris and RJ - been a ride...many thanks.
Bobbleseth

Trad climber
Utah
May 17, 2019 - 01:14pm PT


For a while, SuperTopo rocked like no other...



Many, MANY big time laughs had here...



I too am sorry to see it end...



signed...

Bobbleseth, aka locker...



:-)








EDITED:

Moderated all the way to the end...

LMAO!!!...
Jeff Gorris

climber
Not from Portlandia
May 17, 2019 - 01:16pm PT
Thanks for a good go!
The naysayers that think they can do better should put up or shutup.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 17, 2019 - 01:31pm PT
Whoever would sue you because some jackass posted something offensive is a full blown jerk. America has always been sue happy, and it has affected many sports. Europe doesn't have the problem to this degree. I don't know why.
mynameismud

climber
backseat
May 17, 2019 - 01:45pm PT
Thanks Chris. Definitely appreciate the effort.

If possible please drop a line.
BFK

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
May 17, 2019 - 01:49pm PT
Thanks Chris, sad to see it go but it makes sense. It's all part of the evolution of the web.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 17, 2019 - 01:55pm PT
I will say thanks to Chris for starting and maintaining the forum...itís been fun and i have met quite a few interesting people I otherwise wouldnít have met.
I have to say, however, that I remain suspicious concerning the real reasons for shutting down the forum.
okay, whatever

climber
May 17, 2019 - 01:55pm PT
I will miss Supertopo, both for the climbing content and magnificent photos that appeared with some regularity, but also for some of the debate threads, like "What is Mind?", where a bunch of people with disparate backgrounds and views, managed to post up some very, very interesting links. Nothing lasts forever, and I understand that it is and has never been a money-maker, but I'm sorry to see this forum closing up shop. Thanks, Chris, for carrying it forward for as long as you have.
Wallbanger

Gym climber
Newport beach
May 17, 2019 - 02:01pm PT
thanks to all for the great gear history as a collector site is irreplaceable thanks for all you did mac and co
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
May 17, 2019 - 02:11pm PT
Thanks for the ride Chris,it was good.

I have to agree with Mr. Donini,especially since some have offered $$$ to keep it all going.

Good to hear from you Locker.
Ezra Ellis

Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
May 17, 2019 - 02:26pm PT
Sorry to see this end. There are some wonderful people I have met and climbed with from the taco.
All great things must end eventually.

Thanks for hosting us for so long Chris.
Ezra
Tom Patterson

Trad climber
Seattle
May 17, 2019 - 02:33pm PT
Thank you, Chris. This has been an incredible source of information, recollection, nostaliga, aspiration, history, and stoke.

I really appreciate everything you've done to continue this as long as you have.
Jim Clipper

climber
May 17, 2019 - 02:45pm PT
Thanks Chris, and RJ. Corralling climbers into a manageable space, fit for polite society, may have been too much for anyone.

Iím sure all options have been explored, but would a library be subject to the same copyright laws? There really was some history worth preserving. Some stories that will never be told again too.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
May 17, 2019 - 02:45pm PT
JLP, in response to this quoted post:
Something important is being thrown away because they didn't figure out how to make money at it.

JLP wrote:
He actually did, through gear reviews, something that started here in this forum and has since moved to other sites RJ manages currently - and according to CMac's enormocast interview - they're making money.

Even though, JLP, you at times have been a grumpy ass (who's often spot on when it comes to technical appraisals of climbing, climbers, and all manner of things),
I have to agree with you here, again, dammit! Ha!

When speaking of profit/loss, I think it's disingenuous to decouple what the forum (as a useful loss leader) did to support the cash flow of the Supertopo project at large. I don't think they can be fairly separated. Of course, now that the forum has proven itself a head-on liability, it has to go. Understood. But I wouldn't blame it on lack of profitability as an independent unit within the umbrella of the business model. Once it becomes a thorn in one's side, a really BIG thorn, and not just a garden-variety burr in the saddle, then yes.


Ed Keller wrote:

What about approaching the American Alpine Club, and/or Alpinist Magazine, and/or similar, to get support to keep the entire archive- WITH photos- available? And/or continuing the forum?

This is certainly the right thing to ask (and something I would also very much like to see), but from what I understand, CMAC entertains too much legal exposure by going down this path. Asking for this is the right thing to do, and I've done it, but nonetheless I see it as pissing in the wind.

We are damn lucky he has decided to archive the forum in static mode, even without the pictures. Praise be to Allah for this! (Or to CMAC, as the case may be.) This way, it's still an asset to the overarching business model, no? Sort of a lose-win-lose-win.

And the ongoing amount of account deletions and self-defections along with requested deletions of content was REALLY biting into the historical repository.
I've been seeing it as I struggle to archive.

This was the time to shut it down.


Caddy wrote:

Thank you for hosting SUPERTOPO Forum for 18 Years. When it started it was a tool better than email for rock climbers to connect on good subjects. However all the digital platforms have been taken over by trolls obsessed with their own hateful views. Like a party, that gets too noisy late at night, its time to shut it down.

 This may well be the crux of the biscuit, in a nutshell!
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
May 17, 2019 - 02:48pm PT
Thanks Chris. It's been fun. A treasure trove of assets and info here.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 17, 2019 - 02:48pm PT
june 1st is my birthday. not Shure what if anything this means.....
Dapper Dan

Trad climber
Redwood City
May 17, 2019 - 02:56pm PT
I just went and looked, my first post on here was back in 2004. Not a whole lot of things in my life that I've been involved with for 15 years. Thanks Supertopo for everything, the beta, the slander, the laughs, all the wasted work hours here at school lol. Take care...
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 17, 2019 - 02:58pm PT
Thanks for all the new friends.
johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
May 17, 2019 - 02:59pm PT
Whoever would sue you because some jackass posted something offensive is a full blown jerk. America has always been sue happy, and it has affected many sports. Europe doesn't have the problem to this degree. I don't know why.

Mark- my contact info for you may be out of date. Please email it to me:

johntpenca at gmail dot com.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
May 17, 2019 - 03:02pm PT
Kicked the habit some years ago but Supertopo was a huge part of my life for many many years and it made meeting many people and connecting in so many ways

14071 posts, back from the very beginning. Whew

I'm grateful for all that and sad some other entity couldn't take it over, even something like the climbing museum (granted Ken isn't mr tech but maybe he knows somebody)

any way, but ups to Chris mac who I also met through this medium and the whole experience including learning through flame and dialog

Yur all gonna die!

And so is the forum i guess

Best wished to all

Peace

Karl Baba

Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
May 17, 2019 - 03:10pm PT
Thanks for the run Chris, and thank you for keeping an archive.
i-b-goB

Big Wall climber
Nutty
May 17, 2019 - 03:10pm PT
Cheers to all!
June gloom!
burnin' vernon

climber
May 17, 2019 - 03:13pm PT
Too bad. Too sad. I did not post here much but enjoyed the updates and dropping in from time to time.

Thanks bunches.

Peace, out-- Ken
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
May 17, 2019 - 03:16pm PT
Well done, SuperTopo. I'll remember the good times.
mareko

Trad climber
San Francisco
May 17, 2019 - 03:16pm PT
Thanks Chris,

Many many years ago when I first starting climbing, I looked to your forum for guidance. It was a great resource for me.



Thank you!

Mareko
hacky47

Trad climber
goldhill
May 17, 2019 - 03:21pm PT
i thank you
johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
May 17, 2019 - 03:41pm PT
Damnit, I'm gonna miss this place.
Brockman

climber
May 17, 2019 - 03:52pm PT
^ ^ ^ ^ I'm with tp. . . to an extent.

I sure as sh#t won't miss the snarky exhibitionists, the fully tripped out acid freaks and the negative know-it-alls.

Those of us who've been here through the glory days will always be together.

Ain't nobody deletin' our memories.

To them, I say KEEP THE MAGIC ALIVE.

To the others, I say go suck buttermilk from a dead dog's eye!

Bobbleseth

Trad climber
Utah
May 17, 2019 - 03:57pm PT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR_NwNR9vTc

Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 17, 2019 - 04:04pm PT
EC,
Chatting with you about WPOD was an honor. I'm saddened to see this place go. Seems like some history worth preserving. There were voices at this campfire worth hearing.......
divad

Trad climber
wmass
May 17, 2019 - 04:20pm PT
Oh, for fox sake...
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
May 17, 2019 - 04:25pm PT
I will say thanks to Chris for starting and maintaining the forum...itís been fun and i have met quite a few interesting people I otherwise wouldnít have met.
I have to say, however, that I remain suspicious concerning the real reasons for shutting down the forum.

Meh. rec.climbing, rock climbing.com, supertopo forums. They come, they go. Life goes on.

Curt
johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
May 17, 2019 - 04:26pm PT
I sure as sh#t won't miss the snarky exhibitionists, the fully tripped out acid freaks and the negative know-it-alls.

Yup. It's a mixed bag. Then again, there are many people would never have met if not for this forum. That's what makes me sad. Who will I miss knowing once this place is gone?

They come, they go. Life goes on.

That is true. Yer gonna die.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 17, 2019 - 04:47pm PT
Ekat,
You were the shop babe Jedi in Bishop and forever queen of the campfire. Woot. Twang. Woot.

Endless TFPU! 4U
Bobbleseth

Trad climber
Utah
May 17, 2019 - 04:53pm PT


...

:-)

johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
May 17, 2019 - 04:58pm PT
The good thing is I have contact data for most of the folks that have relevance to my time here.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 17, 2019 - 05:11pm PT
johntp, I did start a SuperTopo Campfire on FB. Even if you have all the contact info of people, it can be used to announce functions etc.

Locker, best pic ever, dude.
johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
May 17, 2019 - 05:16pm PT
johntp, I did start a SuperTopo Campfire on FB.

FB is not a place I want to participate on. I will stay in contact with you via email.

Edit: There are so many people here that have made a difference in my life.

This just sucks.
AE

climber
Boulder, CO
May 17, 2019 - 05:38pm PT
Perhaps the demise of this forum represents the end of the old, eccentric, anarchistic activities variously lumped under the term "climbing." Miscreants, ne'er-do-wells, vagabonds and scalawags, but of course there were probably many fine people as well....
Climbing has finally made it through a prolonged and painful adolescence, emerging with enthusiastic respectability along with a surge of technical advancement, as it ventures onto the Olympic arena. The first doping scandals have already emerged - how ironic, when certain generations of climbers looked with suspicion on anyone who did not partake.
The Valley-oriented regulars herein have imbued the Forum with the eccentric and the absurd, and that seasoning, along with other regional flavors which combined into the spices of the climbing community, are all going to be absent in competitions. A few personalities hold out, but prowess is all that is noted in the end.
As surfing bifurcated into parallel but distinct paths, competitions and huge wave riding garnered attention, but lifelong diehards still just kept doing their thing in zen reflection mode.
Climbing will abide, perhaps with the momentary blaze of Olympic fervor generating a new crop of insanely talented youngsters, but that may be a blessing in disguise, as the classics will remain, with less attention paid to them. Savor the moves.
David Nelson

climber
San Francisco
May 17, 2019 - 05:44pm PT
Chris and RJ,

Thank you for all you did these past 18 years. You have taught a lot of people how to climb safer, as well as brought a lot of joy to many. I certainly have enjoyed reading the site, benefited a lot from it. A number of climbers read about me (I am a hand surgeon) and I was able to treat a lot of injuries. It was really fun to be able to help fellow climbers.

Thank you thank you thank you

David Nelson
Aeriq

Sport climber
100-year Visitor
May 17, 2019 - 05:44pm PT
Perhaps the demise of this forum represents the end of the old, eccentric, anarchistic activities variously lumped under the term "climbing." Miscreants, ne'er-do-wells, vagabonds and scalawags, but of course there were probably many fine people as well....
Climbing has finally made it through a prolonged and painful adolescence, emerging with enthusiastic respectability along with a surge of technical advancement, as it ventures onto the Olympic arena. The first doping scandals have already emerged - how ironic, when certain generations of climbers looked with suspicion on anyone who did not partake.
As surfing bifurcated into parallel but distinct paths, competitions and huge wave riding garnered attention, but lifelong diehards still just kept doing their thing in zen reflection mode.
Climbing will abide, perhaps with the momentary blaze of Olympic fervor generating a new crop of insanely talented youngsters, but that may be a blessing in disguise, as the classics will remain, with less attention paid to them. Savor the moves.

Very eloquent AE!

It is a mixed blessing - thanks for a fun run.

"It's better to burn out than to fade away" -Neil Young
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
May 17, 2019 - 05:47pm PT
Thank you Chris, RJ and all. It was a blast. I wish I could have posted more climbing-related material then I did, instead of some of the stuff I put up. I hope I contributed some worthwhile posts, I know I posted some crap.

I have been a Taco Stander since 2005, I got in contact with some old friends and made some new ones. I enjoyed all of it, yes even some of the political posts (but not especially). I also learned a lot about a number of things and issues, and of course found the Mac help better than any Mac forum.

Best wishes to you Chris and the Supertopians.

Cheers

Patrick
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 17, 2019 - 05:55pm PT
Patrick, have to say glad I met you on this forum. Many of us, myself included, have struggled with life and this place gave to us from the community to help us forward. Cheers! Keep peace and joy in your heart.
Nate Ricklin

climber
San Diego
May 17, 2019 - 06:11pm PT
Damn I guess weíll never find out about Lickyís stupid book.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
May 17, 2019 - 06:18pm PT
Aeriq....Thanks for the Neil Young song and the royalties it brings me...See you at the lumber yard...rotting johnny
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
May 17, 2019 - 06:37pm PT
Yeah, I also like what AE just wrote.
Radical Rebirth

Trad climber
Texas
May 17, 2019 - 06:48pm PT
For me this was the always the only forum on the internet. Amazed me how I could be so interested in ST and couldnít spend more than a few minutes on any other site.
Want to thank Chris, RJ, Mike, Hardman and others for creating this place for all of us.

ST was certainly a time hole, but I took away so many lessons from this site and I still continue to grow today and into the future. The polarity that formed, the debates, discussions, and mistakes have helped me learn to examine opposing arguments and variables and I still continue to deprogram today in the most wonderful ways because of ST. Life is 95 percent politics and 100 percent keeping your mouth shut and Iíve learned that to a great degree on ST.

ST taught me to write and I used this skill to go back to school and become an emergency room NP. As well, right now Iím working hard to get a part time job to work with migrants here along the border and I really try to make a good difference in their lives. I can promise that I would never have made it through family, work and 10 papers a week without the writing practice I acquired on ST. Medicine has been the greatest adventure of my life ( excluding El Cap) and it probably wouldnít have happened with out my fascination with this crazy forum.

As I read that ST was closing today, Iím right now laying in a hospital bed waiting to go to OR for my second back surgery in a week which will ironically and hopefully open a new door to new climbing just as this one is closing. Iím laying here and thinking about all the climbers we lost on this forum in the last 18 years - cancer, suicide, climbing accidents, work place accidents, old age, wing suits. Itís so daunting and I think it had made me angry with the climbing community that the culture didnít dial back the obsession, cheerleading and risk. I myself had read the history of climbing and practiced my own climbing as a study in risk mitigation. But itís a tough line and now know that itís only luck that I or anyone of us here today didnít get the chop in some way.

Iím drawn to the romantic and comforting idea of Valhalla or Heaven where I once again meet my grandma, dog, best friends and many climbers that have passed too soon. I think these many deaths, school stress, and my own as#@&%e tendencies in the first place caused me to act like a jerk-off the last time I was on ST. I definitely took it too far and hurt some people I respect and love deeply. Fighting with my sushi fest friends is my deepest ST regret and I humbly apologize.

Itís so coincidental, I had tears in my eyes just yesterday posting a photo of Mount Louis and thinking that I might not hike or climb again due to such a poor surgery outcome last friday. This really distilled what was important to me in life and what will make me smile on my death bed. Family and my children are my passion and greatest love. But come on - itís the climbing adventure that really spins the head. That photo got me motivated and back to San Antonio and emergent surgery today - and now ST closes.

( so got pulled away and had surgery at this point ) 🤣 20mg of morphine and anesthesia added to this minor rant now.🤪

So with all this considered ST, what Iím most grateful for is the climbing. For this young and screwed up kid from Northern, Alberta who spent his childhood climbing buildings, Iím so very fortunate to have lived my childhood dream of becoming an all around climber.. I close my eyes and see all the exploring, wonder and beauty .The long approaches, perfect finger cracks, ridges and all those beautiful summits.

The first time I saw the black mass of El Cap, while driving into the park at night with my wife, I swore on the spot that I would never ever climb such a crazy thing. It took 15 years to break this promise and it wasnít easy. Thank you so much to Paul Soza, for climbing El Cap with me. We did it as I had always dreamed. Two El Cap noobs on the greatest adventure of their lives. I had had half a dozen overwhelmed partners quit on me over the years; then I came as close to a rope-chop death with Baba as two people can get- itís a miracle Baba didnít die. . Paul turned out to be the perfect guy and so technically intelligent, kind hearted and solid. Imagine us, sending El Cap with our eyes wide open and full of bliss the entire way. We felt as close to Harding as any first timers can in the modern age.

Iím high as hell here and can hardly see 😂😂🤘🏼🤪
But thank you to the many 100s if not thousands Iíve had the pleasure of meeting and climbing with in the last 18 years because of ST. Thanks to the mountain gods for allowing me to meet and become close with so many of my climbing heroes. Thank you to Doug for organizing all the Sushi Fests and to Jeff Lowe for suggesting that 100s of us meet to climb and become friends. Thank you to Mr Gordon for hosting so many parties and wonderful benefits. Thank you to the many mature, kind and senior members on this board who taught many of us grace and better examples of communication. And most of all to everyone I roped up with and shared crags and big walls with. My memory for events is still good and you all remain in my heart - too many people to mention. Iíll clean this up later cause Iím seeing double., But I lay here in the hospital bed and from Flag, to the Valley to Red Rocks, The Hulk, Loverís Leap, J-tree, Zion, Indian Creek, Squish, Moab and so many more. Youíre all running through my morphine drenched mind now and making me smile. Especially you , Tim. 🙈🙈🤪🤪🤘🏼🤘🏼😀😀🙏🙏❤️❤️🐸🐸🐸🐸
So long, ST
Riley
Trump

climber
May 17, 2019 - 07:09pm PT
So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Nicely done. That was a really kind and generous thing you did for us all, and I appreciate it and am grateful.

Keep on keeping on people! Best wishes wherever the road leads you.
Fuzzywuzzy

climber
suspendedhappynation
May 17, 2019 - 07:10pm PT
Many thanks to all!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 17, 2019 - 07:16pm PT
hey there, say, chris and rj... oh my, :(

say, thanks for letting us know the 'cut off date'... and thanks
for letting it still 'sit' to be read:


You can continue to post using your existing accounts for the next few weeks, but effective June 1st, the site will strictly become a read-only archive.



oh my... no more 'hey there, say... '


:(


best wishes... your site, here, planted seeds and grew many
healthy PLANTS with tentrils that will reach out to each other,
throughout the future...

only a good 'garden' space, rich, like yours, could have
done this...


thank you both...
:)


hee hee, you are always to be remembered as 'our fearless leader',
to me...

:)


*cleo-- will come post on your wonderful THREAD, soon,
but, right now-- i am falling asleep ... got up too
early, :O

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 17, 2019 - 07:18pm PT
hey there, say, johntp... yep, oh yep in deed:

i will miss this place, too...

always checked it, even if i had not time to post...
had to 'check in on the family' ...
:)


EDIT-- RADICAL... radical riley...
say, just saw the post...

i will check in on you, at facebook and send a card...
man oh man, no wonder we have hard from you, over there...
(well, what did i know, i been so busy, i only stop by there, fast) ...

so glad you SAW about the taco, and posted here...
you belong in the 'sign off's ...

:)
zip

Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
May 17, 2019 - 07:32pm PT
Bummer.
Thanks for the ride.
Where do we go now?
Are there any other forums like this one?
rock grrl

Trad climber
CA
May 17, 2019 - 07:37pm PT
Feels like the end of an era... thank you for the hard work on the forums. I know how hard it can be having been an admin on a popular forum in another industry.

Glad the forums will still be around to be read, it will serve as a time capsule of the past 18 years!
donald perry

Trad climber
kearny, NJ
May 17, 2019 - 07:53pm PT
Supertopo Management,

I have tried to contact you in the past, but there has been no response.

Would you be interested in selling the Forum so it can remain active, and if so for how much?

You know how to reach me.

Donald Perry
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
May 17, 2019 - 08:26pm PT
Radical Riley rides again!

Dude:
Welcome back here at the 11th hour. Love what you just wrote. Don't change a thing!
limpingcrab

Gym climber
Minkler, CA
May 17, 2019 - 08:29pm PT
There are few things I despise more than unnecessary and excessive lawsuits



What is one of the main drivers of expensive medical care and medication?

Lawsuits

Why do many areas get closed to the public?

Lawsuits

What's with all the no trespassing signs and locked gates?

Lawsuits

Why is insurance so expensive?

Lawsuits

What is a main cause of excessive regulation?

Lawsuits

Why do some climbing areas get closed?

Lawsuits

What ruined many of the fun things you used to be allowed to do?

Lawsuits



WHAT KILLED SUPERTOPO!?!?!?!?!

LAWSUITS!!!!

BruceHildenbrand

Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
May 17, 2019 - 08:30pm PT
This is an incredible opportunity for all the people on this forum who couldn't believe that SuperTopo wasn't raking in the big bucks to start their own website and get filthy rich!!!
F10

Trad climber
Bishop
May 17, 2019 - 08:36pm PT
Thanks for the great times
Itís been a super place for a lot of climbing info and experiences
F10 climber F11 drinker and F10 say thanks
Itís been a fun ride
James
Hubbard

climber
San Diego
May 17, 2019 - 08:38pm PT
We had a forum in San Diego at one time. It started out well but soon a few trolls started calling anyone who posted names and slagged anyone and everyone. The guy running the forum didn't want to edit anyone. The shitshow continued. All the good posters slowly faded away not enjoying getting smeared by the trolls. eventually it was just the trolls slagging each other each evening for their entertainment. Then it was just king troll all alone shouting out to nobody on the road to nowhere. That forum died and the plug was pulled. I have seen this movie before.

They think that life is but a joke, but you and I have been through that and this is not our fate.....
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
May 17, 2019 - 09:20pm PT
What is one of the main drivers of expensive medical care and medication?

Lobbiestst paying off congress to make competitive bidding for drugs illegal. Also, allowing drug patents to be extended. Also: same lobbiests keeping medical care privatized.

Why do many areas get closed to the public?

Oil and mining want the land. See: Bears Ears.

What's with all the no trespassing signs and locked gates?

Property rights. Stay the hell outa my yard without permission,

Why is insurance so expensive?

See: insurance lobby

What is a main cause of excessive regulation?

Congress. Also: people doing things that killed and maimed people. Somebody died for every line in the electrical and building codes.

Why do some climbing areas get closed?

See: Bears Ears. Also, you probably made yourself annoying. Did you forget to close the cattle gate?

What ruined many of the fun things you used to be allowed to do?

You were too st00pid a peckerhead to not draw attention to what you were doing.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
May 17, 2019 - 09:25pm PT
^^^

The exact type of political back-and-forth that made this site so worthwhile.

Different attitudes, outlooks and backgrounds, all brought together by climbing, mixing it up.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Under the Webmasters Thumb
May 17, 2019 - 09:34pm PT
Well ain't this a pisser.

At least I got the opportunity to read the voices of people I had admired from afar in my early days of rock-climber-wannabeism, Johnny Bachstar in particular.

The ending of this forum makes me reminiscence on events that stand out to me -

Making Facelift sushi with Nature, Brutus of Wyde and Nurse Em in Yellow Pines for a few years. Teaching Ken Yager's boy how to make a stone crab handroll so he would quit poaching the ones we already rolled. Gave Lynnie a ride and got tooled by the LEOs trying to help Barbarian get rid of a few hundred pounds of beer bottles.

Survived the drama years of LEB and Rajmit. Gagged my way through the Clash of Civilizations with Fattrad and Crowley. Tried the Flames but too much cowbell for me. Laughed my butt off at the works of Ouch - may he live somewhere in the webiverse. Actually read DMTs stuff - Bear Sh#t Island - genius!

Learned that life is a combination of "Yer Gunna Die" and "Sutpid".

Crankloons, dipshits and butt plugs - messy stuff, just like life.

I will also remember being exposed to a higher sense of being through the contributions from Largo, JGill, Stannard and Ed Hartouni. Thanks guys.

Grateful for the chance to read the real-time thoughts of climbing greats who have passed and those still with us.

I was never much of an contributor, really never felt I had much to add, but was always enraptured by the stories, trip reports and remembrances of the collective.

Thank you all for these memories.

Rick







Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
May 17, 2019 - 09:34pm PT
Mtnyoung

Iím going to miss the rest of your epic hike with the daughters.

Where else is it posted?
kaholatingtong

Trad climber
The fake McCoy from nevernever land.
May 17, 2019 - 09:57pm PT
Oh Supertopo. It has been fun. Growing up, as a climber, without much of a ďmentorĒ you have been a bit of an influence on me, in hindsight. I have been posting and browsing herefor over 10 yesrs and even though I had kinda dissapeared, now that it is going away I must say goodbye... during dark periods of my life when I really didnt have much else this place felt like a weird home... as I have said goodbye very recently to many things I care about ... I must here also just issue a tearful but optimistic farewell. It has been fun, thank you.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 17, 2019 - 09:58pm PT
OMG, RickyD! Best recollections award. Tears in my eyes....Ouch! We can't let his work go up in ethereal oblivion. Who here has the smarts to save Ouch's art??? Who?
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
May 17, 2019 - 10:21pm PT
Two weeks to wrap up what mind is.

Get busy, boys!
overwatch

climber
Arizona
May 17, 2019 - 11:36pm PT
Some good posts especially AE and radical Riley. Best wishes to you on the next surgery sucks that it had to come to that
Mike.

climber
May 17, 2019 - 11:43pm PT
Riley W., thanks for the goodhearted post.



nutstory

Trad climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
May 18, 2019 - 12:34am PT
I "met" and talked with most of my climbing heroes through this wonderful forum. (Thank you Joseph for opening the door to me).
Chris and RJ, many thanks for all the exciting hours that Supertopo has offered to me. I wish you a quiet "retirement" ;-)
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
May 18, 2019 - 07:13am PT
A little bird says the site is being sued by the nurse ď schwarprema ď regarding manips by an angry poster that resulted in her losing her job....
Mad69Dog

Ice climber
May 18, 2019 - 07:23am PT
Kicked the habit some years ago but Supertopo was a huge part of my life for many many years

Forums in general were that way for me, starting with Usenet for the science side initially, then for hobby/passion stuff like backcountry skiing and climbing. I was already kicking the habit by the time SuperTopo got started, so I read here far more than I participated.

Some of the regulars here will have serious withdrawal, I expect. Don't get depressed just because you lose your fix. Go climbing or something fun and let the internet and the lawyers sit in the cesspool.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 18, 2019 - 07:54am PT
Thanks Chris and RJ , itís been a good run!
Cheers to everyone I met here, 2 many to mention.

What surgery Riley?
Maybe a last trip report?
sempervirens

climber
May 18, 2019 - 08:30am PT
F*#k, now I'm checking supertopo more than ever.
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
May 18, 2019 - 08:45am PT
Thanks, itís been a good ride. Hope to see you all on down the road.
Ciao, Tony Yeary
limpingcrab

Gym climber
Minkler, CA
May 18, 2019 - 08:46am PT
Two weeks to wrap up what mind is.

Get busy, boys!

Ha!
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
May 18, 2019 - 08:53am PT
I came here mostly to connect with old friends (Philo, and Nick Danger) I was also blown away that I could interact with and get a more personal glimpse of people I had previously only read about in the mags and journals.

cheers!
johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
May 18, 2019 - 09:00am PT


Gonna miss this place. Hard to believe so much is going away. Life moves on, but the list of people I've met through the forum or been reunited with is crazy.

Just seems insane Chris would let it fold without a fight.
shipoopoi

Big Wall climber
oakland
May 18, 2019 - 10:43am PT
wow, this is really depressing. can hardly believe supertopo will be gone. i have recruited el cap partners off this site, been enriched with the history presented here, gotten in trouble with my wife for wasting so much time on the taco, and i made my greatest apology everon this site.

it really suck that a few bad apples made what was a melting pot and meeting place for thousands of climbers into extinction.

thanks randy and chris for all your vision and hard work here. it was an amazing ride. cheers, steve schneider
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
May 18, 2019 - 11:19am PT
Lorenzo asked:


Mtnyoung

Iím going to miss the rest of your epic hike with the daughters.

Where else is it posted?

Lorenzo, I've always posted the threads to the Mudn'Crud forum. It's a climbers' discussion forum centered on climbing at Pinnacles National Park (in central California). The site has an "Everywhere Else" section where all my PCT trip reports appear.

Here's a link (the PCT trip reports are easy to find, just look for "PCT" in the title):

http://www.mudncrud.com/forums/index.php?board=2.0

And here's a link to the last report:

http://www.mudncrud.com/forums/index.php?topic=2702.0

It's funny, the whole reason I got "caught" in the "photo deletion" issue here on this site was the fact that I first post the threads to Mudn'Crud. That site still uses the "image" brackets and, with no warning that they'd become a problem on this site, I just copy/pasted the reports to here after I was done there.

Anyway, thanks a ton for your interest. We'll be back on the trail starting in mud-June, crossing into Washington after two hiking days (I can't wait...).
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
May 18, 2019 - 05:17pm PT
After reading the entire thread on Tobin Sorensen, I thought about how just one thread like that can be better than an entire biography of the person, because through the lens of friends and family, you get a feel for an amazing life and a wonderfully inspired person, and what he contributed to climbing. These are the things that I found unique about this Forum. Some the threads are just really good.

Also, special thanks to Jim Herson for sharing his amazing journey of raising a climbing family. .........not to mention occasional posts from Golden Age icons such as Wayne Merry and John Gill.............

So thank you so much for hosting this site as long as you did. It is indeed unique on the worldwide web.
Footloose

Trad climber
Lake Tahoe
May 18, 2019 - 06:26pm PT
Darn, so it looks like the chatter around town was true. Sorry to see this happen, SuperTopo was always a great resource and a fun stop away from all the other things. I hope threads like the Woodfords thread and any relating to Lovers Leap or the High Sierra, the Hulk and such, are somehow archived, supported, and remain extant. They do serve as a record of sorts.

Thanks Super Topo. And thank you Chris for providing this great resource over so many years. Good luck with everything.

Happy climbing!
enjoimx

Trad climber
Yosemite
May 18, 2019 - 07:19pm PT
Bummer!

thanks for hosting ST for so long. It was really cool.

Rob
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 18, 2019 - 07:46pm PT
hey there, say, aspendougy...

wow, as to your quote:

May 18, 2019 - 05:17pm PT
After reading the entire thread on Tobin Sorensen, I thought about how just one thread like that can be better than an entire biography of the person, because through the lens of friends and family, you get a feel for an amazing life and a wonderfully inspired person, and what he contributed to climbing. These are the things that I found unique about this Forum. Some the threads are just really good.

Also, special thanks to Jim Herson for sharing his amazing journey of raising a climbing family. .........not to mention occasional posts from Golden Age icons such as Wayne Merry and John Gill.............

So thank you so much for hosting this site as long as you did. It is indeed unique on the worldwide web


wow, that is WONDERFULy said!

thank you for sharing all that...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 18, 2019 - 07:54pm PT
hey there, say, mtnyoung...

that Mudn'Crud forum looks nice... it has a 'fishing' section, :)

i saw a post from rhyang, there, just now-- from years ago, though...

:)
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
May 18, 2019 - 07:55pm PT
Thank you for a wonderful time!
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
May 18, 2019 - 08:21pm PT
Thank you, Chris and RJ, for hosting this forum. And thanks to all the posters who made participating in it so enjoyable to me. The ability to post may shortly disappear here, but the richness this forum gave me still lasts.

John
Sgt. PyleZ

climber
OneWorld, Earth
May 18, 2019 - 08:56pm PT
ďWait, what?! ..The Supertopo forum is over??! WTF will I do with all of my time?! WHO am I going to tell all of my stories of one-upmanship and bravado to now?! Ahhhh, oh well, ...see you all at the wine sipping/sailing forumsĒ -Reilly
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Mill Valley, Ca
May 18, 2019 - 09:42pm PT
Radical wrote:

Want to thank Chris, RJ, Mike, Hardman and others for creating this place for all of us.

I didn't create anything; I like to think of myself as a garbage man - who occasionally took out the trash in an effort to improve the signal to noise ratio. Unfortunately a few very active charactors had a disproportionately negative effect on the vibe of the forum. It grew to be tedious and tiresome, and I reduced my participation in the forum drastically in recent years.

On the other hand, so much awesome and priceless stuff has been posted here since its inception. Archive or knott, I will always remember and treasure it.

I'm really sorry to hear about your medical issues and wish you the best, Riley.

Take care,

Dave B
Radical Rebirth

Trad climber
Texas
May 18, 2019 - 11:02pm PT
Thanks, Dave. I think Iím good now although there is a little bit of fear that I will bend the wrong way and it will return.
Itís been a very reflective week and grand adventure. And adding ST to the mix again has really rounded out this life changing experience. Very happy to be back here in the last weeks of ST chatting with you and so many others.
Itís easy to underestimate what a legend this place has been. The last 70 years or more of climbing has walked through ST and often their last words were left here.

Riley
Klimbien

Trad climber
St.George Orem Littleton Vegas
May 19, 2019 - 12:53am PT
Thanks Chris... its been a pleasure my friend. Cheers and stay safe.
kenny morrell

Trad climber
danville,ca
May 19, 2019 - 06:47am PT
When I came across this forum years ago I was really excited. I have really liked most of the content. Some of the in fighting was bullsh%t but other than that it was great.I am quite sad to see it go.
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
May 19, 2019 - 07:29am PT
Up movie quote:
Thanks for the adventure. Now go have a new one.
Nudge Nudge

Trad climber
May 19, 2019 - 07:35am PT
As a daily-lurker and occasional poster for going on 13 years, this is quite a bummer. Thankful that the forum text will be saved- it's such a shame that the pictures will be gone... I can think of so many threads with priceless photos...

Thank you for hosting the site, Chris. This really was a special thing, and it's been a privilege to be here and read it all.

-Nathan
Wen

Trad climber
Bend, OR
May 19, 2019 - 07:49am PT
Thank you Chris and RJ for what must have felt like a thankless job. I for one appreciate the gifts youíve given so many of us.
Bldrjac

Ice climber
Boulder
May 19, 2019 - 08:05am PT
Well, I am sorry to see ST go. The forum was a tremendous comfort to me after my husband, Jack Roberts, died. I have saved those posts. While I don't add much, I have enjoyed many posts, and getting to "know" some of the characters. Best to all, and thanks for the memories!
Pam Roberts
dee ee

Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
May 19, 2019 - 08:58am PT
Thank you Chris, RJ, and the climbing world!
Mike.

climber
May 19, 2019 - 09:21am PT
As was written somewhere by someone, this place was as much about a time as it was anything. The 90s and ots are over.

Can one not find satisfaction in a wonderful yet temporary thing? We all seem cool with the Golden Age of Climbing being over. Maybe adopt some of that thinking here? Our convenience-saturated lives make us think we can have anything we want. Psyche! Some things end.

Directing frustration at Chris and Randy seems misguided. In the end itís their gig to do with as they wish. I understand the nuance something taking on a life of its own. Like a rock or trail on private property, and everyone using it for years freaks when the owner finally asserts a change.

Donít be a complainer. Itís just fukking rock climbing! No need to take it all so seriously. Charlie Porter had it right, and there is a beauty in taking his irreverent approach. Try it. Maybe youíll find something there.


Thanks to the Kid and RJ for hosting ST Forum.
johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
May 19, 2019 - 09:49am PT
As was written somewhere by someone, this place was as much about a time as it was anything.

Mike: to me has been a community, Sure, we may have shared a time in climbing history; to me though, it will be the people that I'll remember.

Even those that gave me crap. Heehee!

I have paintings from neebster and Tami; photos from Jody and Roy. Memories of daze spent at El Jefe Gordo's ranch, months in Round Valley with Doug and his circle of friends that came and went.

Neebee's quilts and art are treasures.

Watching Dale Bard build his climbing wall and seeing him do endless laps on his crack machine with music from his bread truck mixing with the wind in the aspens.

At one time spent $1k to buy a signed Bird prototype hammer and sent it down the road. Where be it now?
Mike.

climber
May 19, 2019 - 10:05am PT
Got you, John, thanks.

Do communities disappear when the clubhouse burns down? Not at all. The meeting place is not the community. Yes, the new clubhouse wonít look the same, and some wonít like it.

To anyone feeling loss: Go outside and do something; anything. Thatís what ST is really about.

Cheers...
Brent Mattix

Trad climber
Roseville, CA
May 19, 2019 - 10:23am PT
Chris and RJ, thank you for your creation and contributions.

I have been a lurker for years, with an occasional post. ST is the first site I pull up for a read (and connection). Thank you to every person who has contributed to ST with thoughts, reports, rants, tributes, memorials, information, pictures, tears, and laughter. I am an educator and am continually amazed by the depth and breadth of our climbing community. We rock...literally.

Love to all and Licky...publish the book already.

Off belay

jstan

climber
May 19, 2019 - 10:55am PT
The forum system was designed to provide freedom with no responsibility. Some rules that might change that balance and permit someone to commit their time to constructing and moderating a new system.:

1. Subscription charge of $50 per year per avatar. (paid by personal check)
2. If too few send in checks the checks received can all be torn up.
2. No photos at all
3. Both lurkers and posters must subscribe.
4. Maximum of one post per day.
5. Subscribers have access to existing ST archive
6. Rejection (with reason sent to email addy) for uncivil posts.
7. More than 10 rejections in a year causes poster to lose their year's subscription ( with no refund).

That a firm closure date has been set suggests the ST's purchaser has stepped forward and thus would be a participant.

Overwatch:
I chose a number to cut down on the posting fights involving no thought. If there is a limit people will tend to think out what they are doing.
WanderlustMD

Trad climber
New England
May 19, 2019 - 11:58am PT
Thanks for your time and energy, Chris.
Sheets

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 19, 2019 - 12:15pm PT
Thanks for hosting the forum. Like many users, my use of the forum has diminished over the years. But it was great having a forum where you could listen in on conversations from climbers from the 60s onwards. There were so many great threads and trip reports on this site.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
May 19, 2019 - 12:53pm PT
You say that the forum doesn't make any money. I'm not sure I would look at the Forum that way. It's tempting to look at different product lines, product features, or support services as independent profit-making activities, but that may be missing a bigger picture. Many companies these days have help desks that are mandatory for a product / service, and they are rarely looked at as profit centers. Their costs get allocated to the product lines or customer groups that those help desks support or serve. The forum might be something similar.

It's been theoretically argued that every web site should be building and maintaining a community between the organization and its customer base. If I look at the different activities offered in the topic bar on the home page, I would not say that any other product offering builds community nearly as much as the Forum. Some evidence for that conclusion might be the overwhelming number of positive comments presented in this thread.

People in organizations often get tired of working on a feature or product / service that does not directly lead to profits. Such activities are often seen as ugly step children who deserve only a little love. That might signal that new management needs to be brought in who DO love those activities and who understand how those "cost centers" contribute to overall superior offerings to customers.

Management is or should be looked at as a creative activity. Every problem hides a profit.

I'm sure that my thoughts don't count (and I have no keen data to work with), but the responses to the notification that the Forum will cease on the 1st of the month seem significant and powerful. I wish I knew the demographics and the buying behaviors of those who economically support Supertopo's offering. Would it, for example, be the case that only naive and novice climbers buy climbing books and need pointers to climbs and gear, while the Forum attracts only the well-seasoned climber? Is there a disconnect between those customer segments; or, with experience, do naive and novices drift over to the Forum in time, so that there is a kind of life cycle of climbers / buyers? Disney, for example, understood that it's primary customer group of young children was re-generated every 7 years, and that it could sell a child's wonderment to its parents and grandparents who simply enjoyed watching gleeful little kids in amusement parks, ships, musicals, movie houses, and hotels. Disney sees a very large picture of what it's providing and how. Even its street sweepers can recite the organization's mission, vision, and how it achieves those even down to their level.

In all of this, I wondered how costly it would be to provide closer monitoring of the Forum so that the "minority of forum members" who supposedly give rise to legal liability are given shots across the bow or cut from the pack entirely.

Legal advice in organizations is almost always oriented to preventing the downside possibility that some community member will stray morally or illegally. Attorneys very rarely show an organization the upside possibilities of insightful and creative product-service offerings.

Be well.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
May 19, 2019 - 03:28pm PT
Sounds oppressive Jstan with one post a day one would be growing old waiting for a thread to unfold
Rattlesnake Arch

Social climber
Home is where we park it
May 19, 2019 - 03:41pm PT
Been here for awhile, more lurking than posting, although I posted some. Gonna miss it.....
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
May 19, 2019 - 03:41pm PT
Thank you, Chris, for having this forum and site for the climbing community to connect with. Everyone wants to belong to a community and everyone wants to be a welcome part of a group. We all want our identities...to be our unique selves but also fit in somewhere in our world. Supertopo was that for many of us. Some of the trip reports are etched into my brain for my "eternity". Friends I have meet on supertopo are the as good as anyone could ask for. The supertopo community has supported them fundraisers I had at my house and raised tens of thousands of dollars for our brothers and sisters in need. I too have had life struggles which the supertopo community has rallied around me for mental, emotional and financial support. Supertopo was the voice of the American climber.....at times awesome and inspiring as anything anyhere, at times not so politically correct, at time beautiful and heart wrenching, at times honest and raw. Always colorful, honest, and real...in all of life's beautiful and ugliness. Thanks to all for everything. Keep in touch with me and with each other, be kind, listen to your heart, check your knots and tie in, ...and shred. . .
Robert

Trad climber
San Mateo, CA
May 19, 2019 - 03:51pm PT
Can anyone shed some light on what lawsuit triggered this ? Maybe I missed it ?
overwatch

climber
Arizona
May 19, 2019 - 04:57pm PT
#fakenews

Occam's razor says the dude is just sick of doing it
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
May 19, 2019 - 05:09pm PT
I have to try once

After 18 years,
yes, like the end of High School
it was enough,
some times you can teach,
get some of the kind of change needed
To make a difference, but for so many
nothing makes a dent- more of the same
tearing down, not building up

At some point, after you gave it the best shot & it wasn't enough.
it was enough to have tried,
Time to stop digging

There was no one thing,
it was everybody & everything

It is all the things - that then, When one thing went pop,

the Dadz had to shutter the Taco truck

The Taco truck was not up to code

and the corrupt inspectors were onto us.

They would just continue to wreck things

And get money from our hosts for our free ridez


Also, Too, Realize, that as cute as you all find the sick...
They cost this place,
loarwdy,
someone might have lost a job or not been hired
or not have gotten a promotion
or had a child denied acceptance to a school.
(All for the sin of being guilty by association)
Someone could claim they were being ripped off...
thare was one or 2 well-known hat-holes who still have 6-7 avatars,
& a sociopath to boot- -- - Well 6 or 7 of them types too.





Mayor Gonzo ! !
'Toddles'
"little Mike" here...

--Ha howe
A blondie with Pig Tails To pull,
you know I can't resist me some random blond

Todd You Take care of Old Lady Lori
You need to instill in her the blood of the Gonzo

She missed out so has survived to revive all that wide eyed stoke

I'll jus` add
That If this weren't now
& maybe in 5 years

I will again cast a shadow, across your threshold,
make a bunk so be a bump in your yard,
if I am welcome.

 be well you ole' dawg

I can't believe how Lucky Lori is

Reach out and take a sip off of a Tucker for me
you don't drink much anymore either do you?
MSmith

Big Wall climber
Portland, Oregon
May 19, 2019 - 05:10pm PT
My teenage daughter remarked, "Dad, that's your only form of social media!"

'tis true.

Shipoopoi, hope to stay in touch, along with the friends and supporters I met only because of SuperTopo. My appreciations to Chris and RJ for making it possible.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
May 19, 2019 - 05:54pm PT
What Todd said.

Thanks Chris and RJ.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
May 19, 2019 - 06:06pm PT
Iím sure the forum was always intended as marketing as well as a community service.

Often when I googled questions about Yosemite or anchors and many other things rock climbing related SuperTopo was among the top results. So if someone else googled ďwhat beginner climb is good in YosemiteĒ theyíd end up here and possibly buy SuperTopo books. Itís why REI bought Mountain Project. The problem with that is Iím sure guide books donít make much money. When interest and profits shifted toward Outdoor Gear Lab (smart that it covers all outdoor gear not just climbing stuff) this site and business likely took a back seat. Why spend time and money on a site that doesnít return much, if any profit.

Iím not surprised itís ending. Any private site could face the same fate.

I appreciate the heads up and time to say our goodbyes.

I would like to know more about the legal problems and who is to blame but Iím sure itís not the best idea to share that info.
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
May 19, 2019 - 06:44pm PT
Thanks Chris and RJ. Eighteen years!? Kudos on you for pulling it off this long. I hope to heck you get a metric-ton of $$$$ for the domain name. Ignoring the moderation of the trolling BS and honest differences in opinion, this sh*t doesn't run itself. In 2001 disk storage for all those photos we all post cost about 2 thousand times as much as now (*1). RJ I'll buy you a beer or whatever any day.

I loved the many generations contributing even though we California-centric old farts have perhaps "contributed" too much.


Ach well, sad but the way it goes. Hey remember rec.climbing!?



(*1) 2001: $10-$50/GB. It now costs about 3 cents/GB.
StevenStrong

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
May 19, 2019 - 07:13pm PT
Not sure why but all of this reminds me of the last scenes in the Truman Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZMZYrdXtP0

In case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night!

Steve

PS - Thanks Chris for all the fantastic years.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
May 19, 2019 - 07:35pm PT
My first engagement with supertopo was with some topos shared to Western mountaineering retail shop. I had recently done Crying time and sent feedback and Chris got me in touch with Greg Barnes. I would later live within a short block of Greg before they moved to CO.

The topos were amazing! Detailed and helpful. The forum went up and rec.climbing went away, to me. Several great friends later I look back with fondness.

Things change though. the next forum is out there. Maybe Bookfart.com or a what I call climber microsites, or maybe even ..... rock climbing.com! Lol

See ya out there! Let's go climbing!
Ricky D

Trad climber
Under the Webmasters Thumb
May 19, 2019 - 07:39pm PT
Arnold the Barbarian said it best -

"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women!"
cybele

Ice climber
Salt Lake City
May 19, 2019 - 08:22pm PT
I've been struggling for two days about whether to even post or not, as I've mostly been a lurker for many years now (though I am surprised to learn just now that I have accrued 177 posts!) and I also just didn't know what to say. I decided to post up because the forum really has meant a lot to me for multiple reasons, and has sometimes really honored and flattered me, and I want to honor it back by saying a formal goodbye. Looking back on my posting history (a nice feature that I fear will be disabled), I was reminded of much I'd forgotten of my own history since I joined in 2004. The ST forum was part of my life through most of my prime climbing years, and more recently has still been a place I come to fondly, even if with a tinge of blue for life's changes. I know there have been some notorious problem posters, these being changing characters through the years. I think I fortunately managed to mostly ignore them, bypass or brush through them, or just laugh and eye roll at most of the absolute worst that has gone on in this forum. I will really, really miss a lot of what I've seen good in this community and what the forum enabled.

I am very glad the text will remain, but very sad the photos will disappear. The photos and text in their thread contexts are an incredible and irreplaceable assemblage of history, legend, passion, beauty, brilliance, honor, humor, audacity, irreverence, information, inspiration, and more words I can't even think of. I have so appreciated posts on so many topics made by so many people still here, and also no longer here. I just can't find words that fully capture what I feel this forum and its many sincere contributors created. Here's to the Supertopo forum's epic epoch. SkŚl!
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
May 19, 2019 - 08:40pm PT
Gonna miss you all . . . love and best wishes to everyone.

This is just another sign of the devolution this country is suffering.

jonnyrig

climber
May 19, 2019 - 09:43pm PT
Thanks for the ride. It was.. interesting.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
May 20, 2019 - 06:28am PT
Longtime lurker, infrequent poster, but I always appreciated the banter on here, trip reports, climbing news, and getting to connect with a few folks - hi Neebee!!!
Thanks, Chris and RJ, for all your hard work.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 20, 2019 - 06:38am PT
hey there, say, the lisa!!! hey there, and hi there!!!!

:)
Da-Veed

Big Wall climber
Bigfork
May 20, 2019 - 07:16am PT
Thanks Supertopo, Chris and RJ. I will miss the climbing content for sure.
Someone really must have pissed in the drinking water! Too bad, hate to see supertopo forum go, but hey at least we still have Yosemite!
Seth Bleazard

Boulder climber
May 20, 2019 - 07:37am PT
So photos on Supertopo are all going to be deleted forever?
couchmaster

climber
May 20, 2019 - 08:27am PT


Thanks for the heads up guys. An earlier hard drive crash had led to a loss of some of my pictures, and I was able to copy the ones posted here back to my computer.

Best to all going forward, and thanks again for a place to post.
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
May 20, 2019 - 08:39am PT
Well, shit!

The lord giveth and the lord taketh away.

It's been real, and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun. lol.

Good to see some old characters popping in for the end.

Still planning to crash a facelift someday......

Happy trails, all.
Chaz

Trad climber
Straight Outta Crafton
May 20, 2019 - 09:25am PT
They were going to pull the plug fifteen years ago. They were just waiting for Licky to finish his plane crash book.
PolishClimber

Trad climber
May 20, 2019 - 09:46am PT
Time to head to Mountain Project, I guess. It seems more a more stable and likely landing spot than any of the 50 supertopo replacement forums popping up.

I've enjoyed my time here.
SFDukie

Mountain climber
San Francisco
May 20, 2019 - 10:46am PT
I've primarily read here-only the occasional thread I've felt was of a subject where I had something meaningful to contribute.

THis has been more than a worthwhile resource, in many ways. Advice, news-including takes on critical issues involving safety.
THANKS!
Don
johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
May 20, 2019 - 11:05am PT
They were just waiting for Licky to finish his plane crash book.

Now that is funny! Thanks for the laugh.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
May 20, 2019 - 01:40pm PT
Thanks,, Brad.

Iíll be following you on mudncrud.

I somehow missed the last couple days of last August. Thatís the area I root around in a lot.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 20, 2019 - 05:04pm PT
Chris, are you sure you don't mean April 1st and this is all a joke????
dondraper

climber
May 21, 2019 - 10:03am PT
Chris given your profitable rental properties in Tahoe and other businesses, couldnít you buy a bunch of cheap liability insurance to cover possible lawsuits?
BrassNuts

Trad climber
Save your a_s, reach for the brass...
May 21, 2019 - 10:10am PT
Except for the few Super Egos and Super Jerks on here, I will miss the people that have made this forum a fun and informative place. CG and I have met and climbed with lots of great folks through SuperTaco, hopefully we can stay in touch with some of you.

Cheers,
Dave
"Save your ass, reach for the brass" :-)
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
May 21, 2019 - 09:12pm PT
One of the people that I will miss is Karl Baba. I had the chance to meet him some ten years ago, and he was pretty mellow.
Anyway, I always enjoyed his tales.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 21, 2019 - 10:38pm PT
hey there, say, chaz... and johntp, oh my... yeah, the
'plane crash' thread...


oh my-- it will have NO ending, to 'tie it all to a finish' ...


wow, how about that...
Prezwoodz

climber
Anchorage
May 21, 2019 - 11:01pm PT
Wow, this really sucks...
briham89

Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
May 21, 2019 - 11:23pm PT
When I first joined Supertopo I was a complete noob when it came to climbing. This place opened up the doors to a world of information and connections with other climbing partners and new friends. It fueled the fire for what has been and will be a lifetime pursuit of climbing and adventure. While it had its bad moments lately I will really miss this place.

-Brian
johntp

Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
May 22, 2019 - 07:12am PT
someone should put together an email list

You need to have your own. Nobody is gonna do it for you.

Seriously, if there are people here you want to stay connected to, now is the time to ask for contact info.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
May 22, 2019 - 10:10am PT
Thank you Super Topo staff !!
TClimberByTrade

climber
Santa Ana
May 22, 2019 - 10:24am PT
What is estimated cost to keep it open?
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
May 22, 2019 - 11:27am PT
I tried the Facebook page and will continue, but I kind of felt like there were so many who don't use, dislike or despise FB that it was leaving out a lot of us.

So....I started to build out the forum I mentioned upthread. If people use it enough to warrant, then I'll see if others are willing to help with it in the way of moderating and such.

Here it is: http://climberstacosalad.freeforums.net/
Ahwahnee Bartender

Big Wall climber
Fog Town
May 22, 2019 - 11:37am PT
Charter member post has been entered. Thank you Happie
Bobbleseth

Trad climber
Utah
May 22, 2019 - 11:48am PT


I signed up for Happies forum...(locker of course)

:-)
JLP

Social climber
The internet
May 22, 2019 - 11:53am PT
The images are going to be a huge loss. The ability to post images is what made this place.

I get theyíre freaked out in the middle of a legal matter and are playing it super safe - but I hope all this has been archived for restoration at a later date when sanity prevails.
Adventurer

Mountain climber
Virginia
May 22, 2019 - 12:09pm PT
Thank you to the staff of SuperTaco!
Alan Rubin

climber
Amherst,MA.
May 22, 2019 - 12:21pm PT
Thank you Happiegirl. As one who will not touch Facebook, I have signed on to your new forum--after going through the 'maze' required to register!!!I hope many other 'campfire' regulars and lurkers do the same. Good luck.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
May 22, 2019 - 12:24pm PT
Was it really difficult? Being the admin, maybe I didn't notice, but I did sign up as myself(well, Happiegrrrl) along with admin.... It asked for birthday and a Robot check, but that's not so unusual in a platform trying to defend against bots.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
May 22, 2019 - 12:29pm PT
Happie, I really like the look of your new forum set up!

Clean and easy to navigate, thank you

norton
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
May 22, 2019 - 12:34pm PT

May 22, 2019 - 12:29pm PT
Happie, I really like the look of your new forum set up!

So do I. I am more inclined to sign up on this as opposed to an fb group.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
May 22, 2019 - 12:40pm PT
I am more inclined to sign up on this as opposed to an fb group.

Word^^^
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
May 22, 2019 - 04:28pm PT
I remember first hearing about this site from Dick Cillie in 2006. My first time on, there happened to be a thread, with pictures, of course, about the Lost Arrow Chimney. I'd never even really seen a picture of it other than what was in the old (green) Roper Guidebook. So, my first post was to this thread about how I had soloed it (with a point of self-belay) in 1978. I had never told the story before except to my friends.

This little story is just one of thousands that have been told here that are not in traditional print. I believe that my next post (I know I could look but I'm lazy) was a TR with pictures from bouldering at Mt. Woodson, my home bouldering area, around Christmas 2006. That thread ended up connecting a lot of climbers who had a love for Mt. Woodson, including, notably, Bvb and Brunosafari. Ultimately, that thread led to the first Woodson Shindig in 2007. Those early years were so fun for me.

Another highlight for me was my Road to Lucille thread. That was particularly fun, as, it seemed, a bunch of you played along. It was the only time I ever put myself out there as an entertainer to an audience I didn't know.

Most importantly, this site was instrumental with me hooking up with Jaybro, Tarbuster, Em, Brassnuts, CrimperGirl, Prod, Taco Bill, Ed Hartouni, Gal, Crusher, Scuffy, Mike Friedrichs, Nature, Aya, Jello, Connie, Rob Dillon, Locker, Blitzo, Goatboy, Jan, Roger and many others.

More recently, for good or bad, I've been obsessed with the What is Mind? question. It's been fun bantering with the likes of Largo, Ed, JoGill, MH2, healyje, HFCS, MikeL, DMT, Jan, MB1, and the rest. I'm feeling like I'm only months away from solving this sucker:)

Special call-out to Malemute, who provided an extremely valuable service in compiling a huge list of climate change links.

Thanks Chris!

MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
May 22, 2019 - 05:38pm PT
my first post was to this thread about how I had soloed it [Lost Arrow Chimneys]

Still wondering how you got down.

Okay. Found the first post, from 2007. Now I know. Now ST can die.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
May 22, 2019 - 05:59pm PT
This is kind of like the end of High School, no pun intended.

Many of us are going to disband with the centrifugal force that happens at a similar change of life node in the grand scheme of things.

We need a yearbook!

Funny thing is, when I got onto Supertopo, that was essentially my high school reunion, because all of my friends during my high school years were actually climbers out at the crags, and not at school at all. When I created the Tarbuster avatar, my mother asked me if I wanted my actual junior high and high school yearbooks, and I said: "Just toss them. I'm having my high school reunion right now online, mom."

And now, for most intents and purposes, this yearbook is getting tossed!

I know it will still be here in text-only format, which is great for reading and researching, but without the pictures, I think you get the picture.

Bon voyage, all!
Ė Roy
Alexey

climber
San Jose, CA
May 22, 2019 - 06:03pm PT
anyone married ST classmates?
WBraun

climber
May 22, 2019 - 06:10pm PT
Meh .... they should never have announced anything and just shut it down one day without warning.

Pooofffff ..... gone! just like Hiroshima.

Instead of all this whiny BS for days on end ....
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 22, 2019 - 06:10pm PT
Will miss the history stuff and the high-brow banter, yuk-yuk.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
May 22, 2019 - 06:17pm PT
ST is not found on the way back machine currently, I doubt a text only version will exist.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=3197274&msg=3199588#msg3199588
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
May 22, 2019 - 06:37pm PT
joined climber's taco salad but strugglin' to post pics of new route stoke....halp?
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
May 23, 2019 - 08:53am PT
ST is not found on the way back machine currently, I doubt a text only version will exist.

wilbeer:

I think they disallowed it on the way back machine to remove any records of copyright infringement.
From what RJ/CMAC have said, they'll just continue to host the forum here, in a frozen state, with no pictures.

They haven't answered our question as to whether it will be searchable, but I don't see why they would disable that function if they are going to leave the forum in total here as an archive.
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
May 23, 2019 - 09:01am PT
I have thoroughly enjoyed this Forum Chris and RJ. Thank you and you will be missed.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
May 23, 2019 - 09:41am PT
Roy,that makes total sense and I hope you are right.
dhayan

climber
culver city, ca
May 23, 2019 - 09:42am PT
Itís a bummer the photos will be gone, i wish there was a way to preserve those too.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
May 23, 2019 - 10:31am PT
I'm taking screen shots of my favorite photos.
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
May 23, 2019 - 10:49am PT
If I had BVB's password I'd log in and speak for our departed friend, because I know this place and you people were important to him. I'm less of a presence, but I've connected with any number of folks, both old friends and new ones, through this forum. So long and thanks for all the fish.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
May 23, 2019 - 11:00am PT
joined climber's taco salad but strugglin' to post pics of new route stoke....halp?

So far as I can tell you can't upload pics to the site. But you can link to another server (photobucket or whatever.) In the quick reply window there's a reply button in the upper right corner. Hit that and it's all there.
Mike.

climber
May 23, 2019 - 11:14am PT
TBC/Kris: There is an image attachment option, but the results so far seem to have been underwhelming (thumbnail size, rotated?). But yes, hotlinking an image posted elsewhere works.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
May 23, 2019 - 12:14pm PT
Might as well get one last car picture in. The 1964 Lightburn ZETA Sport.

Zeta is a marque of automobile which was produced in Australia from 1963 to 1965 by South Australian manufacturing company Lightburn & Co. An established manufacturer of cement mixers and washing machines, Lightburn and Co. built the cars in its factory in the Adelaide suburb of Camden Park.

Zeta Sedan - 2 door sedan Ė Villiers Engineering 324cc Ė 4 speed manual
Zeta Sports roadster Ė ZF Sachs 493cc Ė 4 speed manual
4 speed, two cycle engine - but no reverse gear, as such.
Reverse was selected by stopping the engine, turning the start switch in the opposite direction which started the engine in the opposite direction - ergo, 4 reverse gears.

Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
May 23, 2019 - 05:37pm PT
When people have photos on reddit, usually they post them on a separate site like imgur.com and link to that.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
May 23, 2019 - 05:48pm PT
Jeebus, Winemaker!
That thing looks like a Fiat 850 spider with a pituitary deficiency.
deuce4

climber
Hobart, Australia
May 23, 2019 - 08:14pm PT
Good bye Supertopo. You were great at times! All things must pass, I suppose.

Thanks for all the good interactions and place to share stories.

Cheers
John Middendorf
goatboy smellz

climber
Gulf Breeze
May 23, 2019 - 11:18pm PT
Avery

climber
New Zealand
May 23, 2019 - 11:20pm PT
All good things come to an end

Thanks for the support I've had over the last few years.

It's a shame that all my time putting things together, asking for permission to post this and that, was, ultimately, all for nothing.

I've rescued what I can and hopefully re-post it all on another (or my own) website.

cheers,

Patrick Kavanagh (Avery)
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
May 24, 2019 - 03:41am PT
Patrick,
Your work has been amazing and I enjoyed every thread very much!
Even if the photos don't display directly any more,
your threads were great for the time they lasted.
Avery

climber
New Zealand
May 24, 2019 - 07:39am PT
Thanks for your kind words, Clint. I'm really glad you enjoyed the threads.

All the best for the future.

shylock

Social climber
mb
May 24, 2019 - 07:50am PT
Avery, your threads were the best. I have saved all of them. Even the ones that have lost most of the photos have great info.

I guess I should get my thanks in to RJ and Chris.. Thank you! You created a legendary thing here.. End of an era for sure.
phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
May 24, 2019 - 10:25am PT
Avery, thank you for all you posted. I hope you will join one of the other groups being created that are mentioned on other threads.
Take good care of yourself.
Phyl
L

climber
Just livin' the dream
May 24, 2019 - 01:17pm PT
Patrick,

Your historical threads were simply amazing. Thank you for putting them together and sharing them with us.

Hope to see you on one of the SuperTopo Reincarnated sites in the near future.
perswig

climber
May 24, 2019 - 04:45pm PT
My thanks to Marlow for his threads expanding ST content in time and space.
Always interesting, always enjoyable.

Dale
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
May 24, 2019 - 05:57pm PT
Letís go climb something perswig ,terenceb585@gmail.com.

Thanks for helping out Brandon that time ,man. Terence.
Loco de Pedra

Mountain climber
Around the World
May 24, 2019 - 07:52pm PT
thanks all! time flies
perswig

climber
May 25, 2019 - 12:02pm PT
Wilbeer, likewise!
Hope your newest direction/career path is going well, and you're still finding time to bike and paddle and do fine construction.
We'll see about the climbing, I need to re-motivate substantially on that front. However, will be taking possession of a new/old Beemer dual-sport soon with the express intent for longer tours, and heading your way would be an excellent agenda item. Domestic situation is a bit unsettled at the moment but turbulence is moderating.

Stay fit and mellow, will miss your updates.
Dale
(gperswig at g mail)
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
May 25, 2019 - 02:52pm PT
I've posted and then deleted my comments over and over and over.

Sorry, saying goodbye to the Taco leaves me profoundly sad.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
May 25, 2019 - 04:13pm PT
Likewise Harry,keep in touch. Any time Dale!
Bobbleseth

Trad climber
Utah
May 25, 2019 - 04:17pm PT

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3-a4qWCtIg]


You can say that again...


Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
May 25, 2019 - 04:20pm PT
Mr Ledge Rat, I was just thinking this morning that yours was one of the voices I'd miss
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
May 25, 2019 - 07:51pm PT
Chris and RJ
Thanks again for providing this wonderful forum for us.
I wish it weren't so. . .
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
May 25, 2019 - 10:02pm PT
See you all on taco salad?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 26, 2019 - 01:43pm PT
WTF!!!111 I leave for a month's vacation and the place shuts down???!!!
And all this time I thought I was just a C-list poster hear.
Bobbleseth

Trad climber
Utah
May 26, 2019 - 02:03pm PT



"See you all on taco salad?"...


WIDE FETISH is much more lively and interesting...


"taco Salad" = Holsom White Bread...(JUST my opinion)...

Plus on WIDE FETISH, posting photo's/videos of pretty much whatever, is allowed...

as evidenced by the Moose bunghole shot...


LOFL!!!...

Classic!!!...

overwatch

climber
Arizona
May 26, 2019 - 03:14pm PT
At first I hoped it was an artfully contrived representation utilizing another body part but no it is pure bunghole
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 26, 2019 - 04:49pm PT
Does anyone know...the exact time that the ST Forum will be shuttered?

Is it 12:01 am, June 1?

Or 12:00 midnight, June 1?

Or some other random time, whenever someone has the inclination to pull the plug?
tom woods

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
May 26, 2019 - 07:00pm PT
Thanks for the good run CMAC. I remember when you first started making topos and people were all complainy about how much information was on the drawings.

In retrospect, the complaints seems so quaint. Nowadays, I can watch you tube video of any climb I want, by route. It doesn't change much, the desire to go see for yourself is as strong as ever.

Too bad this thing isn't worth the money- I loved the TR and connecting with old friends, and making new ones.

Tom Woods, Bishop, CA.

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 26, 2019 - 07:01pm PT
hey there, say, one thing, i think we know for sure, is:


our 'posting' suddenly won't work, :(

then, we'll know for sure-- time's up, :(
TWP

Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
May 27, 2019 - 09:27am PT
Yo CMAC & RJ:

Surely you have noticed how nice and civilized Supertopo's forum have become now that you "laid down the law."

So how about reconsidering? Keep the forums alive and kicking!

The crowd will be so appreciative and may even behave ... for a while.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 27, 2019 - 02:02pm PT
Potential cost of litigation...hmmm, Chouinard put forth that as one of the reasons he divested himself of Chouinard Equipment. The truth went beyond that.
Whenever I hear ďpotential cost of litigationĒ presented as a reason there is a little beep from my bullshit detector.
In YCís case there was real litigation that went nowhere and the spectre of possible future litigation.
Anyone who gets married, trust me, runs the risk down the road of ďpotential cost of litigation.Ē
....hasnít stopped too many people.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 27, 2019 - 02:12pm PT
It's a bit much for me to digest. I have met so many nice people through this place. I probably use it a bit as a therapy outlet as well...
Gal

Trad climber
going big air to fakie
May 27, 2019 - 05:29pm PT
WHOA!!! I just heard that Supertopo is being shut down. Even though I haven't been on here for a long while (years), this makes me sad that it is coming to an end. Thanks for hosting us here, and I really have met awesome friends from this site. I wanted to sign off, hope I see people from here in person down the road!

~Catherine, AKA Gal
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
May 27, 2019 - 06:45pm PT
*
It's been great connecting with old friends and meeting new folks..
Hope to see many of you in the real world.. Keep in touch...


Thanks, C-Mac... ...and best wishes..
localdan

Trad climber
Visalia, CA
May 27, 2019 - 07:23pm PT
Sad. Peace out peeps and thanks for the ride!
blr

climber
May 27, 2019 - 10:51pm PT
Damn, this sucks. I haven't been on here in a long while (couldn't even remember my password), but I'm sad to see the forum go. Lots of cool memories here.

Now, can anyone find that WELD_IT thread where he did a gear review on some plastic bags as vapor barrier liners?
wildone

climber
EP
May 27, 2019 - 11:18pm PT
Another poster alerted me to this sh#t.

Can't believe this is shutting down. It doesn't make any sense to me.
Such is life.

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
May 28, 2019 - 09:54am PT
RJ -

1) First, my apology on posting the boobs thread was shut only due to advertiser complaints. I could swear I read that was listed as a reason for the upset over that thread at the time; that advertisers stated they had a strong female base and that they had received complaints themselves about supporting a board that included a thread(s) that reveled in the objectification of women.

I do apologize if that was not the case, or I mistinterpreted someone who was not in the know(ST mgmt) who made that statement as a matter of opinion when it was m=not a factual statement.

2) Would it be okay for us to create threads on other forums where we included a link to ST threads, specifically the various memorials(John Bachar, BVB and so on)?

If it would be okay, do you know if the link would work(Meaning if someone clicked, or copy/pasted - would that address connect to the archived link, or would it generate an error message?


3) IS there a way we Supertopians could ante up some donations to help defray the costs that have been incurred with ST over all these years? A PayPal address we could kick in at? Or some other fairly easy way to finally do what we maybe ought to have thought to do years ago?




RJ Spurrier

SuperTopo staff member
May 28, 2019 - 12:20pm PT
HappieGrrrl:

Thanks for your note. Here are my two cents on the things you asked.

1) First, my apology on posting the boobs thread was shut only due to advertiser complaints. I could swear I read that was listed as a reason for the upset over that thread at the time.

No apology needed. I suspect someone made a post speculating that an advertiser was the reason, but that speculation was incorrect. What actually happened was that a forum member sent a Feedback message to Chris and I pointing out the boobs thread, Chris and I discussed it on email and agreed it was inappropriate, and then I personally deleted the boobs thread. All that happened within minutes of us being notified about it, which had nothing to do with any advertiser.

2) Would it be okay for us to create threads on other forums where we included a link to ST threads

Yes, of course, you can link to ST threads. No problem at all and the URLs will remain the same on June 1st as they are today. The only change will be the images will no longer appear, and the threads will be locked. The URLs will be exactly the same, and the site search will still work like it does today. Trip Reports will continue to function just like they are today, with images being displayed like they are now. The only diff with TRs will be that commenting will be locked. We will move the server to a lower-cost hosting configuration since the high-performance requirements we have today will be much lower after these changes, but that change in server hardware should not result in a noticeable change in load times (in fact, without images, load time might be much faster even on a lower cost server configuration).

3) IS there a way we Supertopians could ante up some donations to help defray the costs that have been incurred with ST over all these years?


That is very kind of you, but not necessary. That kind of funding effort would be better directed at some new Forum destination such as you have started at CTS or a non-profit climbing-related cause. Our concern is not with past-costs, but with avoiding future potential litigation costs.

rj

mike m

Trad climber
black hills
May 28, 2019 - 12:27pm PT
Wow havenít kept up on any of this but spent the last decade posting thousands of entries on the forum. Bums me out as most posts were very much climbing related and had pictures. Only did several trís but always felt that the forum is where ST SHINED. if anyone could save this stuff it would be great but I honestly donít have the bandwidth at this point. I guess I will see you all later but will miss many of the threads myself and others created.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 28, 2019 - 12:43pm PT
I was in the outdoor industry for years and have seen ďpotential litigationĒ used as a reason for terminating products and services several times when reasons, that went unstated, were much more the cause. Thus, when I see ďpotential litigationĒ being used, I get a beep from my bullshit detector.
RJ Spurrier

SuperTopo staff member
May 28, 2019 - 03:01pm PT
Donini:
when I see ďpotential litigationĒ being used, I get a beep from my bullshit detector.

I'm not sure what kind of conspiracy theory you have in mind, Donini, but I think Chris and I have been quite transparent about what is going on, with the exception of holding back details of the current legal case we're dealing with.

It just isn't that complex.
 The Forum has been losing money for years.
 It takes a lot of time.
 We were OK with that until we were recently threatened with a lawsuit related to copyright infringement stemming from user-uploaded images.

That has changed the calculus for us, as we now need to consider not just the costs in time and money to run the Forum that we've incurred every year for the past 18 years, but the prospect of a much deeper investment in time and money due to potential litigation in the future (like the case we're currently wrestling with).

Your comment implying that Chris is a bullshitter suggests you think our reasons for shutting down the Forum just don't make sense. That you believe that no reasonable person would walk away from an 18-year long money-losing venture simply because the future money-losing costs might be dramatically higher than the past money-losing costs.

You have the right to your opinion. And, if it helps you to imagine some grand corporate conspiracy, some dark hand on the tiller, that is nefariously leading to the shut down of the Forum for mysterious dark reasons, then have fun with it.

But, forgive me for finding it more than a little bit offensive for you to accuse Chris and me of being bullshitters after all the time we've spent over the last 18-years keeping this Forum running. We made a big investment in creating and running the Forum, and it is both a surprise and saddens us for it to come to an end. We hope that a new site will take up the slack and provide an even better experience for this community over the next 18 years.

rj
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
May 28, 2019 - 05:13pm PT
RJ,
Don't take a little salt from a ST regular too personally, that's kind of the way ST works, as I imagine you know!

Thanks to you and Chris for providing this forum for many years.

You guys didn't do everything the way I would have liked, but so what, you make something happen, and everyone can be a critic.
ExfifteenExfifteen

climber
May 28, 2019 - 06:00pm PT

Don't take a little salt from a ST regular too personally, that's kind of the way ST works, as I imagine you know!

ROFLMAO...

Sheeeesh, Donini salty... Check
Badasss climber... check
Full of Sh#t,.. Check

I don't read it as RJ taking it personally. That's effing laughable. He's just calling out Donini's bullsh#t... f*#king finally...
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 28, 2019 - 06:13pm PT
RJ,
Solid.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 28, 2019 - 06:32pm PT
Well, if there's one thing that always grows legs in this place, it's conspiracy theories and speculation. Even when facts are presented, they seem to get spun into some bizarre direction.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 28, 2019 - 06:39pm PT
RJ, will we still be able to access our own pictures in the photo section? I know....how can this person not know the answer to that question...but I don't.

Thanks again for it all. As Bridwell once told me, metaphorically speaking of course, thanks for the good doss. Which, I guess either means a home for someone without one. (Me when I got to this place.) A heart home not a brick one. Or, a joint, I'm not sure which he meant at the time. Smiles, lynnie
RJ Spurrier

SuperTopo staff member
May 28, 2019 - 06:54pm PT
Lynne:
will we still be able to access our own pictures in the photo section?

Photos that are included in your Trip Reports will remain on those Trip Reports as they are today. However, photos that appear only on Forum posts will be removed from our server.

So, before June 1st, do please take a moment to download and backup any photos that you have on SuperTopo if you do not have originals on your computer.

This should not impact most people since I think most people will have their original photos stored on their computer and/or at some photo storage site (and likely at a higher resolution than we keep on SuperTopo). But, should you not have an original, and the copy on SuperTopo is the only one you have access to, then please download a copy before June 1st.

rj
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 28, 2019 - 06:56pm PT
RJ, is there a specific time that the Forum will shut down on June 1?

Edit: Thanks for that, RJ.
RJ Spurrier

SuperTopo staff member
May 28, 2019 - 07:01pm PT
Yes, 12am PT on June 1, 2019 (i.e. the morning of June 1st, the end of the day of May 31st).
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
May 28, 2019 - 07:14pm PT

Doniniís bullshit detector obviously needs to be recalibrated, or it needs a new set of batteries.


12am PT on June 1, 2019

Heh. I wonder which dweebs will battle it out for the final post.

Thanks, RJ.

Aeriq

Sport climber
100-year Visitor
May 28, 2019 - 07:34pm PT
The end of some on-line dependent sad lives - BooHoo.

Life goes on.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
May 28, 2019 - 07:36pm PT
Hey all, and RJ/Chris,

don't forget Donini has been one of your very most rock solid contributors on this site, as to keeping the climbing content real, taking un-told amounts of time to write up reports and share with us beauty from all around the world. He has always brought extremes back to the middle and basically, well, kept things real for you and for all of us.

He never once lost his character here, name calling, mean spirited or other shenanigans I would call bullsh#t. He may toot his horn a little now and then but that's usually to challenge the rest of us arm chair climbers to get off the political topics and get out there climbing. I wouldn't be too harsh on him as he definitely kept the better character of this place going for so many years.

Arne

edit-you know people are just a little pissed. You created a platform but it was guys like Donini (and many others) who made it really happen for so many others, year after year.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 28, 2019 - 07:39pm PT
^^^
All so very true, but I can understand RJ & Chris's frustration with a lot of this.

They've endured years of bullshit over the years related to this Forum. It's understandable they'd be offended by anything that resembles an assumption they don't care about this enough to work at it.
gasman

Trad climber
eugene
May 28, 2019 - 07:46pm PT
Agree with the last comment. I am a moderator on a bicycling forum when I'm not lurking here. It's tough work to keep a few people in line, and if you're losing money with the potential to lose more and spend way more time. Pull the ripcord.

Thanks for all you guys have done.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 28, 2019 - 07:49pm PT
How about an hour of silence. No one posts. Fitting.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
May 28, 2019 - 07:53pm PT
no need to be shy about a sense of equity in this forum. it was OUR content and community of characters that filled empty pages. for the spirit of authorship, book burnings can get a little raw
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
May 28, 2019 - 08:01pm PT
Look,suspicions and rumors existed,folks have different views, thanks RJ and Chris ,you have run a good forum.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 28, 2019 - 09:48pm PT
RJ, Look....first, donít accuse me of having a conspiracy theory....that is in the realm of an ad hominen argument..I just stated that in my long experience in the outdoor industry I have seen ďpotential litigationĒ used as a smokescreen on several occasions. I am not accusing you of it but it does make me pause. You certainly did react to my statement.

I thank you for establishing and maintaining an excellent forum but that doesnít mean I wont express something that gives me slight unease.
zBrown

Ice climber
May 28, 2019 - 10:17pm PT
write hooblie


And

a lot has been left unsaid or unwritten

Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
May 28, 2019 - 10:27pm PT
I bet that traffic to the site is up. I bet that our hosts are a little beleaguered.

This too shall pass
Bobbleseth

Trad climber
Utah
May 28, 2019 - 10:33pm PT


The fight is on!!!...

Doc Jimolo vs. Sgt. R-ba-J...

Who will win??? (See below for answer)...

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NyFC2DKWJM]...

overwatch

climber
Arizona
May 29, 2019 - 02:20am PT
Not the dreaded karate chop. There is no fight that a karate chop to the kidney Can't Stop. Throwing a double was just Overkill
Bald Eagle

Trad climber
May 29, 2019 - 03:53am PT
Aaaaww man this properly sucks! :-(

Firstly many thanks Chris and RJ for keeping Supertopo running for 18 years. And also many thanks to a myriad of Supertopoists including Tarbuster, Ezra Ellis, micronut, Bad Climber, Marlow, wingnut, donini, Munge Climber, mouse from merced, Nick Danger, Gnome, the inimitable Reilly and many many more for their ace contributions to the forums over the years and for taking the time to post some kind comments on my wee videos. Anyway I'll try and sign up to one of the new SuperTaco forums once the dust settles and if anyone wants to keep up with my climbing vids (more one armed climbing craziness coming soon) then you can subscribe here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/chdslDave/videos

Happy climbing and positive vibes from across the pond! :-)

Dave
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 29, 2019 - 06:46am PT
A thread that I posted a couple of days ago appears to have been deleted by management. It was soberly written and asked the question about the possible benefits the Suoertopo brand might have accrued from the forum keeping it in the public eye. Deletion of the thread seems to me to have been inappropriate.

Leaving for the Black Canyon soon, no internet....goodbye.
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
May 29, 2019 - 08:16am PT
Well its sad to see it go, but some of us sorta wandered away a while ago...many thanks to everyone here (...and just a couple f*#k you's :-* ) , may you all have a wonderful life (even the FUs)...

No Shoulders No Cry ;-)
Mike.

climber
May 29, 2019 - 08:36am PT
Though I regret the ST forum will no longer continue, its end is a point from which to look back Ė and forward.

A century ago, Chris, myself and a bunch of others worked feverishly to carve out the first edition of ST Yo Big Walls, a creative effort which included the ST logo itself. Thanks to RJís expertise, the forum and site emerged more or less simultaneously. Early on, the forum had an unregulated registration, but still a good number of experienced voices, Yosemite big wall-centric as they were. The site grew. The rest is the history of the last 15-plus years of ST that you all know.

There never again will be an online gathering place for climbers Ė particularly wig ballers Ė like SuperTopo Forum. It was a time as much as an entity, a ripe opportunity for it to flourish.

The view ahead looks pretty much the same, but is no less affirming. I'll be happy to rope up and ride with the usual suspects and maybe more, and glad to still be able to do it, as many of my old buds leave their boots on the shelf.

Cheers to everyone who signed on and signed off. Itís been a consistently great campfire Ė thanks for that, users, Chris and Randy.


Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
May 29, 2019 - 08:41am PT
I am definitely planning to be online Friday night right up to lights out - which thank god I'm three hours ahead and will be a reasonable 9pm here - and watching the last posts.

I want to thank Chris and RJ for giving us the time to digest the reality that ST is going dark. It reminds me of how, when your beloved pet is terminal and the vet knows you didn't fully grasp this even though from anyone else's eye it was obvious, and that you need time to accept it, so they don't just say "He's dying, put him out of his misery."

Their announcement allowed us time to gather here on the thread and talk it out, make some plans and prepare. It's hard to believe the countdown to the end of participation is coming so soon, but really they have set things up so there WILL be a continuum. The site will still be accessible, and we CAN continue any thread with a link to the beginning part on Supertopo. That's pretty cool.
couchmaster

climber
May 29, 2019 - 08:51am PT


Shall we make this thread the "Who will be the last to post on Supertopo before it closes down"? I suspect I'm in too early to win it. "Always a bridesmaid, never a bride"... Who will get the very last post?
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
May 29, 2019 - 09:39am PT
Apogee its all good. Just wanted to point out this was a very successful forum by many definitions. Whether or not it made money is not really for us, the end users, to evaluate or determine just how to apply the accounting methods used, that reveal some kind of financial "bottom line". It's the gems of this forum that made it successful and gave so much of themselves into it.

I certainly do not count myself in that pool; we all know who the good ones were.

Arne
McGinnis

climber
May 29, 2019 - 09:55am PT
I am definitely planning to be online Friday night right up to lights out - which thank god I'm three hours ahead and will be a reasonable 9pm here - and watching the last posts.

If youíre on the east coast wonít it actually be 3am there?
GuapoVino

climber
May 29, 2019 - 11:48am PT
I'm curious to know was there one specific picture that someone got mad about? Any specific details about what was in the picture and the person that filed the suit? Art work? Someone's likeness? Sued by an individual? Sued by a big company that claims to have copy rights?

This could turn into the perfect crime on other forums. I take a picture. My partner posts the pic on a forum. I sue the forum for having my property on their site. I split the settlement with my partner. Kind of like the arrangement that Clint Eastwood had with Tucos on The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

Radical Rebirth

Trad climber
Texas
May 29, 2019 - 11:57am PT
Ohhh,
So it is going dark at exactly 12 AM.

I work that night but hopefully I have time around midnight for a few posts.

Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
May 29, 2019 - 12:05pm PT
A phuck load of bots and various scripts will be launched at 11:59 and the end of ST will be memorialized as a server crash. Seems fitting
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 29, 2019 - 12:12pm PT
Donini nailed it!
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
May 29, 2019 - 12:32pm PT

If youíre on the east coast wonít it actually be 3am there?


Oh.

I feel so silly. hahaha

Well that decides that. I'll just hope somebody makes a screen shot of the last bit of banter so I can read it after the fact.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
May 29, 2019 - 12:40pm PT
I'll just hope somebody makes a screen shot of the last bit of banter so I can read it after the fact

You won't have to rely on a screen shot. The text (and banter) is not going to just go "poof" and gone. Only the pictures removed.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
May 29, 2019 - 12:43pm PT
Ya know....I KNEW that. That my synapses are misfiring on this whole topic is pretty weird. Or, maybe my synapses are misfiring on all things and nowhere else am I getting someone who taps on my shoulder and says "WTF you talkin' about?"
krahmes

Social climber
Stumptown
May 29, 2019 - 04:44pm PT
Well it is getting close to last call here at SuperTopo. Thanks CMac and RJ for providing this forum it has been a great ride and time sink for me since 2009. Fare thee well.
tahoe523

Trad climber
Station Wagon, USA
May 29, 2019 - 05:56pm PT
Thank you, RJ and Chris for your valiant effort and time supporting this site. I made great friends and prison penpal like frenemies thanks to Supertopo. Best of luck with your next respective projects! -Shino
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 29, 2019 - 07:51pm PT
Read the latest Thread please. Death, Alpine Climbing and The Shield on El Cap by Owen. His brother was the one that died recently in a skiing avalanche in France.

This is Super Topo at its best. One young man pouring his heart out in an incredible TR while confronting the wilderness of his life.

I cannot say this strongly enough....people need to be heard. Not rush, rush how now, bye that was great. I mean frickin' heard. The campfire listens.

ClimberDave

Trad climber
The LBC, CA
May 30, 2019 - 12:14pm PT
Such a shame, I was more of a lurker than a poster, really enjoyed reading the posts and seeing the pics that everybody shared.

Going to miss this, Thanks Chris for all you had to put up with

Cheers everybody!!1
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
May 30, 2019 - 02:39pm PT
Chris and R.J.,

Thanks so much for a fun run on the forum. I've been around for about 15 years, though never really a high profile user or anything. Lot's of laughs, great information, occasional outrage, amazing history, beautiful photos, and general good times.

Thanks again!
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
May 31, 2019 - 06:50am PT
Thanks, Chris and RJ, for the 18-year long effort on the Taco.
I was mostly a lurker but I did meet some folks in person and made some friends.
I still miss Ouch.
Nibs

Trad climber
Humboldt, CA
May 31, 2019 - 08:13am PT
Thanks Chris and RJ for creating and maintaining the forum for 18 years. It has always been informative and entertaining. Checking in on the forum was a morning ritual that I will miss.

I posted more in the wild west days prior to registration mostly sparing with Jody and Fattrad. But never stopped reading the great contributions from so many especially Tarbuster. News always seemed to break here firstÖ

Best to you both in your future endeavors,
Gary
Inner City

Trad climber
Portland, OR
May 31, 2019 - 08:45am PT
Thank you to Chris and RJ for creating and maintaining this wonderful virtual campfire. All the slander and mistreatment aside, it has been a fantastic resource, full of entertainment and history.

Some of the incredible threads have such great historical value.

Best to all and see you in the mountains.

Dave Reid
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Mei

Trad climber
mxi2000.net
May 31, 2019 - 09:41am PT
Thanks CM and RJ for having provided this platform, which apparently has added values to a lot of people's lives.

RJ,

If you are still answering questions, can you please shed some light on a question that has been puzzling me? If I read it right, one big reason to shut down the active forum, to make it read only, is to cut current cost and prevent future cost increase. My question is from an ops angle -- as long as you still need to pay for the domain registration and web hosting (for the read only content), where does the cost cutting come from and how much is saved if you don't mind me asking?

I help run an obscure forum that only attracts a handful of oddballs, i.e. the coolest people on earth. Whether there is activity or not, for as long as the site is still up, the cost is the same; hence my above question. The domain reg fee and hosting fee are drawn from the bank automatically. Because of that, the co-admin and I wrote into our wills a clause to ensure funds are set aside and ownership is transferred to keep the forum up for the indefinite future in case disaster strikes us both, just so those souls do not feel lost. That leads to my second question: how long do you guys plan to keep this site up, albeit read only? Over the years, I have seen quite a few (useful) sites that vanished without early warning.( I miss ClimbFind for looking for partners last minute. )
rmuir

Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
May 31, 2019 - 10:05am PT
It's pretty clear that the Forum will remain upóas a read-only siteóonly to help SuperTopoô continue to draw eyes to the site.

In reality, the Forum existed only as a way to bolster a revenue stream, and very little else. There was very little interest in directly supporting any history of climbing or community-building. And, over the years, there were very many opportunities for the admins to preserve and improve the content that was largely ignored.

After June 1st, there really won't be a reason to visit this site any longer. This decision is an excellent way to shot one's self in the financial foot.

Sad.

mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
May 31, 2019 - 10:47am PT

...I help run an obscure forum that only attracts a handful of oddballs, i.e. the coolest people on earth.

I bitterly resemble that comment (and will be giving you lots of penalty slack next time I have a chance).
BMcC

Trad climber
Livermore
May 31, 2019 - 12:12pm PT
Thanks, Chris and RJ!

You've provided a fine service and some great stories, pics, discussions, and stuff have been posted over the years. Saddened that the lights are going out for the forum.
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
May 31, 2019 - 12:38pm PT
Thanks to you all.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 31, 2019 - 12:44pm PT
I feel like I'm in the Olympic Bobsled competition and we're rounding the last, steep turn to the finish line.
Mike.

climber
May 31, 2019 - 01:00pm PT
Thanks to you all.

To you as well, mike m. You posted a lot of great content here. I hope you might forgive me for calling you names. Cheers.
divad

Trad climber
wmass
May 31, 2019 - 01:08pm PT
Goodnight Johnboy..
Alan Rubin

climber
Amherst,MA.
May 31, 2019 - 01:27pm PT
Well, I guess it is "goodbye supertopo". It was fun while it lasted. Hopefully the campfire will continue to burn in one of the follow on locations--though so far, none seems to quite fit the bill.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
May 31, 2019 - 01:30pm PT
Alan, it takes time for an avocado to ripen. :)))
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
May 31, 2019 - 01:31pm PT
To you as well, mike m. You posted a lot of great content here. I hope you might forgive me for calling you names. Cheers.


I hope so too! I really like both of you guys. mike m was my first (and only) ice climbing partner.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
May 31, 2019 - 01:33pm PT
mike m, thanks for deleting that other thread (at least I think that's what happened).

And thanks too for being one of the people who kept this place going over the years.

Mike.

climber
May 31, 2019 - 01:34pm PT
Sounds like he trusts you, D. Maybe you can convince him that I'm only 50% as$hole. TIA.
immanti

climber
May 31, 2019 - 01:46pm PT
No more tacos for you! :)

Happy routes everyone. May your holds be solid, your shoes sticky and your stories tall. It was a privilege hanging with you.

Signing off...
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
May 31, 2019 - 02:27pm PT
Those wishing to thank Chris, RJ, and their minions might do so by contributing to the American Safe(r) Climbing Association. A favourite cause of Chris', at least, and a token of appreciation.

http://www.safeclimbing.org/

Thanks to our hosts, and to all those who contributed positively to this monkey show, and all those I met and (mostly) interacted with. We'll meet again. Vera Lynn is now 102 years old, and still insists that we will.

One door closes, and another one probably opens. What, where, and when? We'll see.
Doug Tomczik

climber
Bishop
May 31, 2019 - 02:44pm PT
Thanks Chris for supporting this over the years. I always thought this site is an important archive of climbing history. Glad to see the text will be preserved.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 31, 2019 - 03:02pm PT
hey there, say, mighty hiker... very nice note... nice share... for where to help chris, for others... etc, ... later...
TimH

Trad climber
May 31, 2019 - 06:06pm PT
As someone who hasn't climbed much in years and can count on one hand the number of people from this site that I've met in person, the forum will be missed. This has been a excellent resource and repository of knowledge from climbers of all types, with the obvious bias towards the Valley. It has always been fascinating to hear from elder statesmen and women of the tribe, those who were present at some of the significant events that have made climbing what it is today.

No less interesting has been the "off topic" threads wherein members have given us all a glimpse into their lives "off the rock", be it about their families, their pets, what they're building, even their conspiracy theories du jour.

Berg Heil, Supertopo!
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
May 31, 2019 - 06:17pm PT
...wow posted on my birthday no less..ouchie poo...not the worst birthday, but still...

in any case THANK YOU SUPERTOPO

I got to be famous here for a minute being stupid and loud

I'm still stupid and loud...just not as famous...less shoulders more craniums...guh...

Miss You ALL ! - you know who you are if you hear that ... and you know I suck at names...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 31, 2019 - 07:40pm PT
hey there, say, paganmonkeyboy...

IS THIS, today, your real BIRTHDAY?

WOW... I WILL ADD you to the birthday thread... :)
here...


hee hee, with the EL CAP cake...
AbeFrohman

Trad climber
new york, NY
May 31, 2019 - 07:51pm PT
Your efforts will not be forgotten. This site is a gem.
Long live Supetaco!
Yet gonna die!!!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 31, 2019 - 07:55pm PT
I turn 57 tomorrow... Its a strange feeling losing the taco. Farwell friends. Be safe and have fun.
Ikat

Social climber
north of here
May 31, 2019 - 08:04pm PT
I have so followed all the posts.

I've love the irreverant interactions, especially those that assured me I was not the only person that called out jerk-ery

I've read amazing route reports, and laughed so much at the stupidity of just doing it.

Truly truly sad at the loss of the taco forum

And the music and the musing

It's great to find something so free and crazy and unfiltered, and yet respectful for damm hard stuff

I miss you guys, every freakin one of you
Brockman

climber
May 31, 2019 - 08:10pm PT
I have to ask. . . why did you steal my name?

Seriously.

iKat?

Who in their right mind would do that?

Seems like you thought you had something to gain.

I can't imagine what it might be!

Tell all, if you would be so kind.

Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
May 31, 2019 - 08:12pm PT
Tradman Climbs! Per your post!

I turn 57 tomorrow... Its a strange feeling losing the taco. Farwell friends. Be safe and have fun.


Best wishes for a very happy post ST birthday. It was great to meet & get to know you folks last spring. Don't be strangers.

I find no desire to thank those who are killing this fine online community, but happily, many of us have established links to our ST friend's lives.
Mei

Trad climber
mxi2000.net
May 31, 2019 - 08:16pm PT
mtnyoung says, "will be giving you lots of penalty slack next time I have a chance."

Looking forward to it! I should get out more. Lots of slack? Might as well, as they say nothing holds in those mud 'n crud. :)

I can't imagine this site without more active contributions will stay around for long. Visiting traffic will plummet. A lapse in the renewal of domain registration or the web hosting could make this entire website go away over night.

While there will be no more threads predicting the opening date of Tioga Pass, maybe people can make their guesses about last day (year) of supertopo.com . My prediction is 2020.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 31, 2019 - 08:19pm PT
Fritz. I am having serious withdrawals from being on the road. I so much wanted to be there with you guys again next week but it is just not happening this year.....
atgoett

climber
austin, tx
May 31, 2019 - 08:24pm PT
Thanks Chris and RJ!

I sure will miss lurking around this place..... Over the years I've been a dedicated lurker (lol) on quite a few climbing forums, and a few non-climbing forums. This place will go down as one of the best. Sad to see it go.

Thanks again!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 31, 2019 - 08:28pm PT
hey there, say, tradmanclimbs...

HAPPY MOST wonderful NEW BIRTHDAY YEAR, for starting tomorrow...

god bless!




:)
cybele

Ice climber
Salt Lake City
May 31, 2019 - 08:31pm PT
Wow more pagan altar... rad
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
May 31, 2019 - 11:28pm PT

Thanks, everyone.

Itís been fun.

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 31, 2019 - 11:30pm PT
hey there, say, minerals...


thanks for the 'sign off' post...

i enjoyed some banter between you and fritz, on a recent thread, thank you!
L

climber
Just livin' the dream
May 31, 2019 - 11:34pm PT
Thank you to everyone who made the Taco Stand such an amazing place.

I've enjoyed the stories, photos, poetry, and laughter. What a cast of characters!

Best to you all,
L
Zay

climber
Monterey, Ca
May 31, 2019 - 11:36pm PT
Neebee

You were always so nice. I hope to see you around...
grover

climber
Castlegar BC
May 31, 2019 - 11:37pm PT
Iíve met great friends here
And hung out with old ones

Thanks Chris and RJ your really tied the forum together
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
May 31, 2019 - 11:39pm PT
hey there, say, zay... say, thank you so kindly...


if you will be at the other forums... yes, we will :)

or, the facebook...
just message and then i will know who you are then...

:)
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
May 31, 2019 - 11:54pm PT
Ultimately it reminds me of this classic joke from the mid-1980s or probably earlier:

The Six Phases of a Project [Forum?]
1. Enthusiasm
2. Disillusionment
3. Panic
4. Search for the Guilty
5. Punishment of the Innocent
6. Praise and Honors for the Non-Participants

See you all in the next phase, somewhere. :-)
Caveman

climber
Cumberland Plateau
May 31, 2019 - 11:58pm PT
Adios amigos!
susan peplow

climber
Joshua Tree, CA
May 31, 2019 - 11:59pm PT
It's been so long I had to hack my own password. Only a minute to spare.

Adios, everyone and thank you Chris Mac for providing such a forum.

~Sooze
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