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Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2019 - 01:17pm PT
Good news ...

Yes, they wanted to assassinate him and it was made to look as though they were successful, this was done to protect JFK JR. and his wife, but they were not successful. He duped the evil Deep State cabal. Long term plan. He is beginning to reveal himself publically. Many patriots now know that he, his wife, and his sister in law are very much alive. He now has grown teenage children too.

JFK JR. is still very much alive. He still flies and I know that he has gotten into SUP also. He is quite the adventurer. I would imagine he is very much like a lot of us. We all love the outdoor adventure sports especially climbing. He does too. Very cool :))


From the article:

Remarkable Risk-Takers: A Clan Chooses the Edge
By Michael Grunwald
Washington Post Staff Writer

Monday, July 19, 1999; Page A1

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/jfkjr/stories/jfk071999.htm?noredirect=on



"John F. Kennedy Jr. did not only fly single-engine planes, he also owned a motor-powered paraglider that looks like a contraption out of a Willy Wonka movie. He loved to kayak in rough waters and scuba dive in deep seas. On a recent trip to South Dakota, he even asked park officials if he could rappel down Mount Rushmore. They said no, too dangerous."

...

Yesterday on NBC's "Meet the Press," historian Doris Kearns Goodwin told his mother's story about John crying on the ski slopes as a little boy. His uncle Bobby came over and said: "Kennedys don't cry." To which John replied: "This Kennedy cries."

...

"The fact is, if you compare him to a bunch of his cousins, John wasn't reckless at all," said Harrison Lee Rainie, author of "Growing Up Kennedy" and an editor at U.S. News & World Report. "He was less competitive, less spit-in-the-eye-of-the-devil. He liked rock-climbing and kayaking, but I don't think he bought into that whole Kennedy notion of tempting fate."


He has proven to many of us that he is very smart, very brave, and also a great patriot that loves our country dearly and he is doing incredible work behind the scenes to save it.
brotherbbock

climber
So-Cal
Apr 30, 2019 - 01:47pm PT
JFK JR. is still very much alive. He still flies and I know that he has gotten into SUP also. He is quite the adventurer. I would imagine he is very much like a lot of us. We all love the outdoor adventure sports especially climbing. He does too. Very cool :))

He actually died in 1999 you kook.

This is not a climbing thread, it's a way for you to talk more conspiracy theory without getting banned from the forum.
Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2019 - 02:22pm PT
C'mon you guys. It's climbing. It's history. It's about research for the truth, and I would say its pretty darn interesting. If you don't think so then you must be asleep under a rock. Lol.


50 years ago, RFK humbled to climb Mt. Kennedy with Whittaker party
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2015/mar/26/50-years-ago-rfk-humbled-climb-mt-kennedy-whittaker-party/


RFK was the one to be given the honor of stepping onto Mount Kennedy first. He got the first ascent. That is pretty awesome ...


"Robert Kennedy and Barry Prather traverse the Cathedral Glacier en route to the base of Mount Kennedy in March 1965. In a climb led by Jim Whittaker, RFK would become the first person to reach the summit of the Canadian peak named in memory of his brother, President John F. Kennedy. Poking out of their backpacks are wands they could use to mark their return route on the featureless glacier in the case of a whiteout. (Jim Whittaker / Whittaker Family Collection)"
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Apr 30, 2019 - 02:25pm PT
Big discussion of this going on over at Widefetish right now... we have all the answers

http://widefetish.com/forum/index.php?topic=59.msg1075#msg1075
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Apr 30, 2019 - 02:41pm PT
Here's a very good case study video about what happens when flying VFR into IMC without an instrument rating......

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Edited to add: For you non-aviation persons, VFR is visual flight rules, meaning you can see where you're going, have a horizon and can see the ground. IMC is instrument meteorological conditions, meaning limited visibility, no horizon, etc. Instruments, including a gyro, provide references so the pilot can tell the actual attitude of the plane. People have crashed planes just flying through a cloud...
Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2019 - 03:03pm PT
But RFK didn't crash his plane.

Barry, and especially his mother Lou, were friends of mine.


I'm also talking about big influences in JFK JR.'s life.


Big influences in JFK JR's Life:

*Obviously his father President JFK although he didn't know his father for very long sadly. JFK has a mountain named after him. Pretty cool to have a mountain named after your father. Not many people can say that. (Although I'm sure he would rather have had his father in his life rather than a mountain named after him.)

Also a very important person in President JFK's life was "The Remarkable Life of Medical Pioneer and Legendary Rock Climber Hans Kraus." He helped JFK's back problems tremendously.


* His Uncle RFK. RFK was like his second father. Turns out he helped teach JFK JR. to ski and then also RFK did a first ascent on Mount Kennedy. He was a climber to a small degree. Big influence in JFK JR's early life.


* Jim Whittaker, 1st American too ascend Everest, spent time with RFK family and with John-John also. He spent time teaching John-John to ski. I still wonder if he ever put JFK JR. on a rope to teach him a bit about climbing? President JFK gave a honorary medal to Jim Whittaker for being the first American to ascend Everest.


Many more people were influences no doubt. But some climbers were definitely early influences in JFK JR's life. That is pretty darn cool.
Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2019 - 03:59pm PT
Definitely will have to see this documentary ...


Interesting story for sure. Jim Whittaker knew the Kennedy family very well.


Documentary:
Return to Mt. Kennedy
http://www.mtkennedy.com/

They are doing screenings now. Hopefully at some point they will release it on DVD.


Post screening interview with Jim Whittaker by some school youths:

JIM WHITTAKER of "Return to Mount Kennedy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3OsZf81AS4
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Apr 30, 2019 - 09:17pm PT
Give it up fake Klimmer2.0. It's bullshit and it's political and it's stupid.
Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2019 - 10:47pm PT
I’m real. No Bovine Dung. It’s climbing. It’s history. If you think it’s not interesting then you must live under a rock, and perhaps the brain is inebriated.
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
May 1, 2019 - 04:38am PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1715761&msg=1726500#msg1726500
Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2019 - 10:38am PT
Awesome resource thank you!


Our Climb Up Mt. Kennedy Robert Kennedy Life Magazine 1965

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1715761/Our-Climb-Up-Mt-Kennedy-Robert-Kennedy-Life-Magazine-1965
Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2019 - 05:07pm PT
There are a lot of great things coming out of this thread. Very interesting and very helpful resources too.

Case in point. I'm a climber, skier, and paraglider pilot and I'm beginning to suffer from lower lumbar back pain. Reading through these resources and links, I have found 2 hopefully great books to purchase and to read and to get help for my beginning back pain and get it rectified ... awesome! Both books go into Dr. Hans Kraus exercises to help back pain and health.


RFK's Secret Doctor: The Remarkable Life of Medical Pioneer and Legendary Rock Climber Hans Kraus

https://www.amazon.com/JFKs-Secret-Doctor-Remarkable-Legendary-ebook/dp/B015BWFQYG/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Susan+E.B.+Schwartz&qid=1556755097&s=gateway&sr=8-1


Into the Unknown: The Remarkable Life of Hans Kraus

https://www.amazon.com/Into-Remarkable-Life-Hans-Kraus/dp/0595357520/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=into+the+unknown+the+remarkable+life+of+hans+kraus&qid=1556755429&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
May 1, 2019 - 06:32pm PT
killmer, oops Klimmmer, the silly aside, the H Kraus recommended exercises are great & the -injection"Trigger Point" therapy treatment? not so much,
but, fit your profile...
In Somewhat of a twist
I climbed with Hans K (And Fritz W)at the same crag John-John climbed at

& Save yourself some coin, the 2 books are almost the exact same, just the 1st & 2nd printings of the same text.
Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2019 - 10:30am PT
Gnome,

You're a wonderful resource and person thank you. I'll just buy the latest book :))


Apparently you know so much more about the whole issue at hand having climbed with these famous climbers who knew John-John very well too. You know more than you let on ... ;)

You have given out great leads ...


Gnome Ofthe Diabase quotes on this particular subject:


You should start your search with the college outing clubs of the northeast.

regardless of photographic proof, almost every crusty program had events that included top rope climbing.

I would suggest that the activity pointed out his dislike for activities that were hard, needed to be practiced in order to gain proficiency, took stamina and offered no valuable results. At least learning to fly a plane, gaining certifications & license, would allow him to take himself places.

climbing up things is hard and that family was notoriously not



YO, YES HE LIKED TO ROCK CLIMB & HIRED "GUIDES"
WHAT A WEAK THREAD !
1ST CHECK THE BROWN OUTING CLUB,(Photos?)
THEN THINK ABOUT SOMEWHERE WHERE RICH & FAMOUS PLAY WITH ANONYMITY,
THEN ASK YOURSELF WAS THERE A SMALL ORIGINAL GUIDE WHO HAD THE IN AT THAT PLACE?
& REGULARLY GOT THE CALL TO SET TOP ROPES FOR VIPS,,,,(1984+85)
OR...
THEN IF YOU WERE AT ALL SERIOUS YOU COULD USE THE GOOGLE,(to find the passage below LIKE I DID!sukit



killmer, oops Klimmmer, the silly aside, the H Kraus recommended exercises are great & the -injection"Trigger Point" therapy treatment? not so much,
but, fit your profile...
In Somewhat of a twist
I climbed with Hans K (And Fritz W)at the same crag John-John climbed at

& Save yourself some coin, the 2 books are almost the exact same, just the 1st & 2nd printings of the same text.
Klimmer2.0

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2019 - 10:38am PT
Very interesting short article. Would be interesting to read her book ...



https://people.com/archive/christina-haag-the-john-i-loved-vol-75-no-14/

People.com
Archive
Christina Haag: The John I Loved
By Liz McNeil April 11, 2011 12:00 PM

Among the memories that linger: John’s endearing habit of climbing the balcony railing to reach her apartment, then whistling to say he was there.


John was happiest outdoors, but his appetite for risk sometimes scared his girlfriend. During a 1989 trip to Jamaica, he steered their kayak into uncharted waters, where they were swallowed by a giant wave. “We could have died,” Christina told him. His response, which haunts her still: “But what a way to go.”



Come to the Edge: A Love Story
by Christina Haag (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Come-Edge-Story-Christina-Haag/dp/0385523181/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?crid=31L7PDVIH6YGP&keywords=come+to+the+edge+by+christina+haag&qid=1556906196&s=gateway&sprefix=come+to+the+edge%2Caps%2C183&sr=8-1-fkmrnull
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 3, 2019 - 10:42am PT
Klimmer, I’m curious why you’re so interested in JFK Jr. He just seems another
born-with-a-silver-spoon-in-his-mouth bloke.
rockanice

climber
new york
May 3, 2019 - 12:32pm PT
In the late 80s or early 90s a friend of mine invited me to join him for some kind of AAC member induction dinner held at the Explorer's Club in NYC. Ritzy place with a Polar Bear in the foyer, and the guest speaker was Jim Whittaker. We didn't know it, but he was slated to present a talk and slide show about his guiding Robert Kennedy Sr to the summit of Mt Kennedy.

The room was packed for Jim's show and my friend and I were somehow seated at a table by ourselves with about four or five other empty chairs.

At a member induction dinner, you'd think my friend would have been able to have some dinner conversation with other members or inductees, but unfortunately the poor guy was just stuck with me. The evening progressed and it was almost time to hear about Jim's adventures with RFK Sr, when suddenly JFK Jr whisks into the room with an entourage trailing him just as Jim begins. This whirlwind descends on our empty table and they plunk themselves down with John-John in the middle and his minions strategically flanking him on either side as a buffer to any unwanted conversation from the rabble (me and my buddy ) As they sat, we were silent while Jim spoke, acknowledging the newcomers with a couple of nods here and there as we quickly became the minority faction at the table.

Photos of RFK are projecting up onto the screen, and Jim recounts the tale of their ascent and the safeguarding of his charges. In the dark of the room the light from the slides illuminated the faces in attendance.
Admittedly, I took a couple of surreptitious movie star glances across the table at our famous guest, listening to the story of his famous uncle as he summitted the mountain again up on the screen. I think I remember Jim had good things to say about RFK's pluck and determination.

Meanwhile JFK Jr, evidently the family member tapped to attend this Kennedy themed show, had pretty much worked it out to allow the minimum for time expenditure towards this effort to represent the clan.

Obviously, he wasn't there to socialize with us, but I guess I was still a little surprised when shortly after the lecture, the whirlwind arose again and they breezed out of the room much as they had come in.

In the short window he was there, I had asked him if he had ever been climbing. The answer was, No.

Who knows, that could have changed ? The climbing gyms were just on the horizon at that time, and he may have pulled some plastic somewhere, or even touched real rock in subsequent years.

I like to think I had a profound impact on his climbing career.
rockanice

climber
new york
May 3, 2019 - 01:13pm PT

Gnome said he climbed, so maybe a "yes" answer would have meant an actual conversation.

He wasn't interested in that...
jogill

climber
Colorado
May 3, 2019 - 01:59pm PT
Well, this is pretty exciting stuff! I'm glad the polithreads have been banished, leaving an empty space to be filled with new and provocative material.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
May 3, 2019 - 02:26pm PT
Wha ? (1st I have no opinion as to whether JFK Jr is alive or dead)

While ""Jon-Jon"" was at Brown, the outing club did overnights where one of the activities that everyone participated in was top roping. They also roasted marshmallows over a campfire & drank beer.

While staying at the Mohonk Mountain house where the average age of the other guests is 80, there were a few youth-oriented special activities offered. These included horseback riding & VIP guest were often offered a chance to top rope.

Jon Ross was extremely well connected he would often "babysit" these VIP outings. More Specifically, while I was not there, I remember Jimmy M having been included in some VIP days at Sky Top. These were special privileged opportunities, giving out information, per: any full names was not going to happen.

If Jon-Jon was at the Adventures club event it seems to be very likely that his interests included climbing type activities. That he denied climbing at that sort of gathering is not surprising, he had been top roping & rappeling a few times.

JFK Jr did not want to go into politics. He started a "GQ/Cosmoe" type magazine called "George" that was going to be a liberal mouthpiece to try to satisfy the big & small "D" liberals who wanted to force Jon-Jon to run for political office.

He dated one girl for over ten years, it was rumored, (but well accepted) that his mom did not approve. He took up with a similar physical type who came from a more appropriate & socially elite family; so more acceptable to his mother.



Edit; 5/5//19, 5/6/19

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I am getting BS conspiracy stuff & "phaux propaganda, as well as much more "stuff" geared toward those who are the low & un-educated types, who have given up thinking for themselves & are falling in line as did the German population, did in the 1930s.

When the lies keep verifying guilt,
when every statement fails to be honest
when falsehoods/fake facts are held up as real, and facts/truths called fake:
you as a thinking person need to look at why it is,
who is the recipient of favor,
why scapegoat the weakest in society

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below is the type of whole sale idiotic garbarge that I am ashamed to have show up on my dedicated to: Grateful Dead/Bluegrass/
(& recently,now, very Mysangonistic leaning Yoga) Youtube channel

I did not watch the video

https://youtu.be/Qcv9fOaTHks

Before the tragic death of his wife, Liam Neeson Lived part time in Highfalls Ny(the "other side" of Mohonk mnt) was a regular at & bought an interest in a small commercial property there, he was very approachable, sometimes sharing early mornings having coffee and a completely liberal-minded actor from the upper west side of Manhatten. where he had known JFK Jr. and the circle of very Liberal Democrats. He and his wife were friends of many fashion models who despised & ridiculed the toad-stool, now an illegitimate occupier of the presidency.

Any thoughts that JFK Jr would have or be in any way aligned with the swamp creature, oppressor, pussy grabber & thief who's blatant lying & total disregard for the law in general & the constitution as a whole ~ The one Who engaged in a treasonous conspiracy with a foreign enemy to rig the electoral process so conspicuously defeating democracy & destroying the United States is ridiculous
The magazine & its name was picked to pay homage to George Washington & to decry lying. It was a mouthpiece to spout a
an extremely liberal - pro-women's, pro-abortion pro-human- rights. It championed the poor and offered internships to street people, gave generously to causes like sufferers of Alopecia (bald women) & gay men.
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