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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Apr 24, 2019 - 11:10am PT
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several people have talked about using mass transit. Well, ridership is down. I guess gangbangers, drug dealers, and homeless people have an impact.
There is a tipping point with mass transit. If you have crappy mass transit that only the poor, or the desperate, or the indifferent use, then it is a miserable experience. If you have really good mass transit, and the mass transit is more convenient and faster than going by car, you get a high enough percentage of reasonable passengers that the experience is usually reasonable.
Having a society that has fewer, really down-and-out sorts also really helps. But I suppose that is too political a discussion for the Brave New Supertopo.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 24, 2019 - 11:11am PT
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It gets bumper-to-bumper because of all the retards who think they need 8 car lengths in front of them when they’re doing 15-20.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 24, 2019 - 11:13am PT
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My wife and I have two homes. The one in Ouray is 9 miles from the nearest traffic signal and you have to travel 165 miles to get to one from our place in Patagonia.
I think that urbanization is great for the planet. Packing people together leaves room for other critters and humans seem to love cities....long commutes and all.
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capseeboy
Social climber
wandering star
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Apr 24, 2019 - 11:52am PT
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I saw the enemy in the mourning mirror.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 24, 2019 - 01:34pm PT
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I agree that SoCal drivers are better than most...thank god for small favors. They are good about letting you change lanes in front of them.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Apr 24, 2019 - 02:24pm PT
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Jim that's because if you don't you may get shot.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Apr 24, 2019 - 02:30pm PT
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It's funny because some of the worst drivers I've seen have been in Utah. It's a good thing that there isn't more traffic there or they would kill everybody on the road.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 24, 2019 - 02:39pm PT
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Utah? They’re freaking Formula 1 drivers compared to Oregon where it’s apparently
legal to drive while on Quaaludes. However, nowhere I’ve driven compares to New Mexico.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
Wilds of New Mexico
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Apr 24, 2019 - 03:33pm PT
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New Mexico checking in... truly the most dangerous place to drive I've ever lived. Not irritating- dangerous. Our insurance rates got jacked when we moved from California. Not much traffic though!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 24, 2019 - 07:11pm PT
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New Mexico is above average in motor deaths per mile driven but Mississippi tops the list. Cali is below average in deaths per mile driven but Massachusetts is even lower.
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john hansen
climber
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Apr 24, 2019 - 07:46pm PT
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Life on the Big Island...
You pull up to a four way stop a few seconds after the person across the street.
You are turning left and they are going straight and clearly have the right of way.
They always wave their hand,,, no no ,,, you go first, and wont move till you do. That's what the shaka is for.
I worked on Molokai for 5 or 6 month's one time. If you are following some one and they are turning left they pull into the left hand oncoming traffic lane way before they turn to let you pass.
On Molokai, heading out to Halawa , there is not very often oncoming traffic.
Jim , can you drive all the way to your house down south? Four wheel drive required?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Apr 24, 2019 - 08:10pm PT
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LA freeways would have fewer traffic jams if the speed limit was raised to 90....
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2019 - 07:08am PT
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In your list of bad guys you forgot the 1 percenters who want even a bigger share of the pot while denying even the most basic things for less fortunate people.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 25, 2019 - 07:46am PT
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it takes about 5 years in a small town to realize what a fool you have been living in a big city, scientists have shown that as soon as you get more than 250,000 people in the same area that anti social behavior begins and you get a horrific freak kingdom like LA, with gang bangers, robbers, thieves, drug addicts, rapists, hip hops, munk ass punks, trick ass punks, winos; con artists, hobos, skid row bums, girls who can't keep and address and men who don't care,
Or maybe what your fake science doesn't show, it the backward thinking of the small town, where if you are an outlier, you just get strung up at midnight, or have your affordable house burned down with you in it.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 25, 2019 - 07:49am PT
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Yeah...the proliferation of 'FastTrak' lanes throughout So Cal has always rubbed me the wrong way. Why is it ok for the state gov't to take public lands (or acquire lands for public purposes), and then turn them over to a for-profit operation? Aren't public lands supposed to be...public lands?
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capseeboy
Social climber
wandering star
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Apr 25, 2019 - 07:53am PT
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on a good note, i do believe CA has the nations strictest auto emissions standards? Maybe the smog is better now.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Apr 25, 2019 - 08:12am PT
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on a good note, i do believe CA has the nations strictest auto emissions standards? Maybe the smog is better now.
actually, a study just came out that said LA has the worst air in the country, and is getting worse.
Or maybe what your fake science doesn't show, it the backward thinking of the small town, where if you are an outlier, you just get strung up at midnight, or have your affordable house burned down with you in it.
Now that's some backward thinking.
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 25, 2019 - 08:20am PT
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it takes about 5 years in a small town to realize what a fool you have been living in a big city, scientists have shown that as soon as you get more than 250,000 people in the same area that anti social behavior begins and you get a horrific freak kingdom like LA, with gang bangers, robbers, thieves, drug addicts, rapists, hip hops, munk ass punks, trick ass punks, winos; con artists, hobos, skid row bums, girls who can't keep and address and men who don't care,
I'd say it takes about a couple of minutes, not 5 years.
And I think it takes only 25,000 population, not 250,000, for things to get bad and hectic.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 25, 2019 - 08:38am PT
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LA’s air is like Oslo’s compared to Cairo, Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, or any Chinese city.
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