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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Apr 15, 2019 - 04:46pm PT
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Here's a link to the Cathedral's Twitter feed with an encouraging photo of the interior of the Cathedral after the fire. Unfortunately, they say that some more interior structures might still collapse, but let's hope they stay up.
https://twitter.com/CathedraleNotre/status/1117920118686851072
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:18pm PT
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Ditto on Kris and Steve. What a horrible tragedy. As a lover of old architecture and professional antique stained glass restorer- I've been sad all day about it. Never got to see it in person. Definitely one of the loveliest of the European Gothic cathedrals. A lot of those big cathedrals burned during the war and were rebuilt. I hope they can do the same here. There's just not a lot of qualified craftspeople left alive these days.
Thanks for linking the organ music. I attended a couple performances in a cathedral in Spain. Nothing like it. The pipes are lead so minimal heat turns them into a slag heap. Meh.
PS: the Twitter feed is dead^^^
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:31pm PT
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France still has plenty of artisanes. They have excellent wooden shipwrights.
They will get it re-built, but it won’t be the same. In the meantime go hear the Strasbourg,
Westminster, or Winchester organs.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:33pm PT
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I’m kind of surprised the resident genius of everything (Reilly) didn’t comment on this. Although since he is just another Cheeto Jesus ball cupper, I guess I’m not surprised.
Trump tweets to use “flying water tankers” to put out the fire...
Resident experts say...
“If you hit that with tons of water from above, that’s going to collapse the entire structure and make the situation worse,” McPartland said. “If you miss, you might hit civilians in the street.”
At 8 lbs a gallon.... what a moron.
Keep cupping Reilly!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 15, 2019 - 08:01pm PT
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Hey, braj, when you release water from an air tanker it doesn’t hit the ground en masse. In fact, a big problem is that it dissipates and evaporates. Go take a physics class or just watch some fire drops. And, BTW, water weighs 8.34 pounds/gallon.
Secondly, I can almost guarantee the French have no helos capable of carrying more than 200 gallons so that ain’t exactly gonna bring the house down, is it? And since they wouldn’t be hovering, unless they were hell bent on getting into a vortex ring state and becoming one with the inferno, a safe maneuvering speed would disperse those 200 gallons nicely, especially if they released it in a steady rate.
Lemme know what else ya wanna learn about. I’m here for you.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Apr 15, 2019 - 08:08pm PT
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Apoligista extrodinare right there.
If “flying water tankers” were a genius idea, then why did the French not utilize that method? Mobilization time, or the evaporation of the “200 gallons” per load would equal net zero water delivered. Or they just weren’t smart enough to figure it out? Sh#t, why didn’t they just call Reilly for advice?
Obviously trump was talking about wildland firefighting loads from an airplane, not a helicopter. And obviously, distribution would it be nearly accurate enough to avoid collateral damage. Get real. Braj.
One of my best friends is head of the wildland fire fighters here in Alaska. We just had an hour long discussion why this wouldn’t work for the Notre Dame Fire. But please, you’re the expert. Tell us more.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
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Apr 15, 2019 - 10:35pm PT
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Netahanzayo inside job
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nutstory
Trad climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2019 - 12:30am PT
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Inside Notre-Dame de Paris at Christmas 2018. (At the time, if I could imagine such a tragedy I would have taken other photographs ...)
Ksolem, the Great Organ seems to be safe...
Edit: Something that may seem anecdotal, all roads in France are measured from the forecourt of Notre-Dame de Paris.
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nutstory
Trad climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2019 - 01:09am PT
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Apr 16, 2019 - 05:35am PT
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The burning of Notre Dam is god's revenge on pedophiles. God, perhaps more Catholic Churches should meet the same fate?
Just kidding.
The burning is God's revenge on the French for refusing to speak with anyone who doesn't speak perfect Francais.
Seriously.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Apr 16, 2019 - 05:47am PT
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BTW, water weighs 8.34 pounds/gallon.
But France is on the metric system.
1 liter = 1 kilo = 1000 cubic centimeters (10x10x10)
Our imperial system is so much better.
Obviously.
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seano
Mountain climber
none
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Apr 16, 2019 - 07:15am PT
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The burning is God's revenge on the French for refusing to speak with anyone who doesn't speak perfect Francais. They're very finely attuned to accents, like Brits. They may respond in heavily-accented English if you make some tiny mistake, but they're not usually jerks about it.
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Apr 16, 2019 - 07:31am PT
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Sorry about the problem with the twitter link I posted above. Here's a link to an article from Heavy.com, with photos from inside Notre Dame after the fire, including some from today that show that at least one of the big rose windows, which apparently survived the fire. If I run across other good links, I may add them to this post.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/notre-dame-damage-inside-altar-fire-photos/
Apparently one issue is to assess the building for weaknesses, especially in the stone vaulted ceilings. Those protected the inside from the fire, but apparently great heat can make the limestone brittle, the wooden and concrete struts that held them up are gone, and they also have actual holes in them, one of them from where the spire fell through the ceiling. Also the rose windows look like they survived but need to be checked.
This link has info about those things as well as about the spread of the fire. They say that if it had burned for 15-30 minutes more, the two gothic bell towers that make up the front of the cathedral might have collapsed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/notre-dame-fire-investigators-seek-cause-of-cathedral-blaze-paris
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 16, 2019 - 08:31am PT
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Finding two dead guys with bullets in them inside tells the real story of this operation to keep the sheep securely in the corral.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 16, 2019 - 10:25am PT
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This was arson for political reasons as two people were found shot dead inside .....
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fitzgeraldo
climber
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Apr 16, 2019 - 10:33am PT
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wtf is going on in this world????
everybody is moarning, 600 millions euro were given within 24h and all the news are full of it.
most of western world should talk about whats going on with julian assange, freedom and independence of journalism.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Apr 16, 2019 - 11:12am PT
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I'm pleased to hear that the organ may have been spared. I'm sure to some my concern seems trivial, perhaps even misplaced, but this instrument is unique. There are a few around by the same builder who worked in the mid 19th century. Some are more authentic - original console and all - but Notre Dame's is one of a kind.
Most likely it will not be played for some time, if only for fear of bringing the building down, and it probably needs a thorough cleaning. This will be epic. Each of over 8,000 pipes ranging from the size of a cigarette to 32 ft. long 2ft. diameter monsters will be removed individually, cleaned and re-installed. This along with the mechanisms which supply the air and allow for the action of each pipe.
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