NOTRE DAME DE PARIS IS BURNING

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Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Apr 15, 2019 - 04:13pm PT
The nave and the Great Organ of Notre Dame de Paris:

Notre Dame
Notre Dame
Credit: Pierre-Yves Beaudouin

Image is from Wikipedia Commons, and free use is granted to copy, distribute, and transmit the work with proper attribution as follows:

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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 15, 2019 - 04:34pm PT
Just heard that Macron declared
"The worst has been avoided."

Is he on crack or smack?
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Apr 15, 2019 - 04:46pm PT
Here's a link to the Cathedral's Twitter feed with an encouraging photo of the interior of the Cathedral after the fire. Unfortunately, they say that some more interior structures might still collapse, but let's hope they stay up.

https://twitter.com/CathedraleNotre/status/1117920118686851072
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Apr 15, 2019 - 07:18pm PT
Ditto on Kris and Steve. What a horrible tragedy. As a lover of old architecture and professional antique stained glass restorer- I've been sad all day about it. Never got to see it in person. Definitely one of the loveliest of the European Gothic cathedrals. A lot of those big cathedrals burned during the war and were rebuilt. I hope they can do the same here. There's just not a lot of qualified craftspeople left alive these days.

Thanks for linking the organ music. I attended a couple performances in a cathedral in Spain. Nothing like it. The pipes are lead so minimal heat turns them into a slag heap. Meh.

PS: the Twitter feed is dead^^^
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 15, 2019 - 07:31pm PT
France still has plenty of artisanes. They have excellent wooden shipwrights.
They will get it re-built, but it won’t be the same. In the meantime go hear the Strasbourg,
Westminster, or Winchester organs.
F

climber
away from the ground
Apr 15, 2019 - 07:33pm PT
I’m kind of surprised the resident genius of everything (Reilly) didn’t comment on this. Although since he is just another Cheeto Jesus ball cupper, I guess I’m not surprised.


Trump tweets to use “flying water tankers” to put out the fire...

Resident experts say...

“If you hit that with tons of water from above, that’s going to collapse the entire structure and make the situation worse,” McPartland said. “If you miss, you might hit civilians in the street.”

At 8 lbs a gallon.... what a moron.
Keep cupping Reilly!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 15, 2019 - 08:01pm PT
Hey, braj, when you release water from an air tanker it doesn’t hit the ground en masse. In fact, a big problem is that it dissipates and evaporates. Go take a physics class or just watch some fire drops. And, BTW, water weighs 8.34 pounds/gallon.

Secondly, I can almost guarantee the French have no helos capable of carrying more than 200 gallons so that ain’t exactly gonna bring the house down, is it? And since they wouldn’t be hovering, unless they were hell bent on getting into a vortex ring state and becoming one with the inferno, a safe maneuvering speed would disperse those 200 gallons nicely, especially if they released it in a steady rate.

Lemme know what else ya wanna learn about. I’m here for you.
F

climber
away from the ground
Apr 15, 2019 - 08:08pm PT
Apoligista extrodinare right there.

If “flying water tankers” were a genius idea, then why did the French not utilize that method? Mobilization time, or the evaporation of the “200 gallons” per load would equal net zero water delivered. Or they just weren’t smart enough to figure it out? Sh#t, why didn’t they just call Reilly for advice?
Obviously trump was talking about wildland firefighting loads from an airplane, not a helicopter. And obviously, distribution would it be nearly accurate enough to avoid collateral damage. Get real. Braj.
One of my best friends is head of the wildland fire fighters here in Alaska. We just had an hour long discussion why this wouldn’t work for the Notre Dame Fire. But please, you’re the expert. Tell us more.
throwpie

Trad climber
Berkeley
Apr 15, 2019 - 08:15pm PT
Flammable limestone?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thisisinsider.com/heres-what-led-to-the-collapse-of-the-notre-dame-cathedral-2019-4
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Apr 15, 2019 - 09:16pm PT
Not flammable, but breaks down at 925° C into calcium oxide and co2

Calcium oxide is Quicklime - basically plaster.


https://www.lhoist.com/sites/lhoist/files/lna_msds_limestone_2012-4.pdf
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
Apr 15, 2019 - 10:35pm PT
Netahanzayo inside job
nutstory

Trad climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2019 - 12:30am PT
Inside Notre-Dame de Paris at Christmas 2018. (At the time, if I could imagine such a tragedy I would have taken other photographs ...)
Credit: nutstory
Credit: nutstory
Ksolem, the Great Organ seems to be safe...
Edit: Something that may seem anecdotal, all roads in France are measured from the forecourt of Notre-Dame de Paris.
nutstory

Trad climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2019 - 01:09am PT
Paris, november 2015
Paris, november 2015
Credit: nutstory
Credit: nutstory
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Apr 16, 2019 - 05:35am PT
The burning of Notre Dam is god's revenge on pedophiles. God, perhaps more Catholic Churches should meet the same fate?

Just kidding.

The burning is God's revenge on the French for refusing to speak with anyone who doesn't speak perfect Francais.

Seriously.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Apr 16, 2019 - 05:47am PT
BTW, water weighs 8.34 pounds/gallon.

But France is on the metric system.

1 liter = 1 kilo = 1000 cubic centimeters (10x10x10)

Our imperial system is so much better.

Obviously.
seano

Mountain climber
none
Apr 16, 2019 - 07:15am PT
The burning is God's revenge on the French for refusing to speak with anyone who doesn't speak perfect Francais.
They're very finely attuned to accents, like Brits. They may respond in heavily-accented English if you make some tiny mistake, but they're not usually jerks about it.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Apr 16, 2019 - 07:31am PT
Sorry about the problem with the twitter link I posted above. Here's a link to an article from Heavy.com, with photos from inside Notre Dame after the fire, including some from today that show that at least one of the big rose windows, which apparently survived the fire. If I run across other good links, I may add them to this post.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/notre-dame-damage-inside-altar-fire-photos/

Apparently one issue is to assess the building for weaknesses, especially in the stone vaulted ceilings. Those protected the inside from the fire, but apparently great heat can make the limestone brittle, the wooden and concrete struts that held them up are gone, and they also have actual holes in them, one of them from where the spire fell through the ceiling. Also the rose windows look like they survived but need to be checked.

This link has info about those things as well as about the spread of the fire. They say that if it had burned for 15-30 minutes more, the two gothic bell towers that make up the front of the cathedral might have collapsed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/notre-dame-fire-investigators-seek-cause-of-cathedral-blaze-paris

WBraun

climber
Apr 16, 2019 - 08:31am PT
Finding two dead guys with bullets in them inside tells the real story of this operation to keep the sheep securely in the corral.
steelmnkey

climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:40am PT
Read an article that says the trio of rose windows and the Great Organ were not damaged.

https://www.citylab.com/design/2019/04/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-paris-gothic-architecture-history/587191/
WBraun

climber
Apr 16, 2019 - 10:25am PT
This was arson for political reasons as two people were found shot dead inside .....
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