Please do not upload images you don't own on SuperTopo


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Trad climber
Upland, CA
Apr 15, 2019 - 10:19pm PT
Lovegasoline! I just saw that Goya in person!
Not my favorite.
I post a lot of photos that I take of artwork that I see in museums. A few museums and a few exhibits donít allow you to take photos but most do.

Ice climber
Apr 15, 2019 - 10:21pm PT

Didn't you see the smiley face, Zbrown?
I was being facetious

I did not notice the smiley until the second part.

But your comment worked perfectly in the scenario to show how objections can be handled and how messy the ST system is.


While on the topic of ownership

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john hansen

Apr 15, 2019 - 11:14pm PT
I looked at my photo's and they were almost all birds and landscapes.

It is a shame that super topo has come to this.

I have had some conversations with many great people who have answered

my questions and shared story's here. Including Royal Robbins and Don Luria

And Pat Ament John Long , Tom Higgins, Boodawg and and many others

Pictures are always worth a thousand words. I admit I started the "Iconic Photo " thread many years ago where many iconic pictures were posted. I suppose I will be banned.

Was really stoked in 06 when I found this place. Met lots of people online and got to know them like friends through the years.

All those post's deleted.. what a shame.

Is the bird thread next?

Where are Limping Crab and Vitaly trip reports? Where they might have posted each others photo's.. I hope the super topo staff do not destroy the good stuff to get rid of the bad stuff.

So much history has been recorded here.

Jim Clipper

Apr 15, 2019 - 11:21pm PT
John, ^ that!

and the melon...

Jingus Newroutaineer
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:03am PT
I'm not versed in the Internet forum business model and am trying to understand the moves ... is there a beneficial business angle to pursuing this path? Is there a net increase of value to be realized in pruning the Supertopo bush by aggressively cutting off both flowers and roots?

There is no value to the site if all of the content is produced by fair use/innocently plagiarized materials solely for their entertainment or preservation value. See Steve Grossman.

Its not hard to understand: After ripping off the hard work and intellectual property of Reid/Meyers or Falkenstein et al and a pantheon of FAists with vastly cheaper guides that cost a fraction to produce its time to sell SuperTopo.

You can't sell a site that has a vast majority of it's content owned by others, many of whom did not give permission for the use of their images. The sites that can be sold tell their users anything they upload becomes property of the site or becomes fair use for the owner's profit...can't do that with plagiarized materials or someone's lawyer will want a piece (and potential buyers will shy away).

Its been a good run of mad art and fantastic discourse and climbing history pulled from wherever we could find it.

But CMac has obviously figured out he can't sell it.

Now he is positioning it for eventual sale (if it survives) but in it's present condition its worthless.

Its not hard to figure out.

The better thing to have done would have been to give away this worthless but precious thing to someone with a sense and respect for our history. Someone among us has the deeper pockets to just pay the monthly site fees and keep alive all that is being deleted. Now its just being destroyed to make a buck. This is shocking and surprising given CMac's history. Not.

This post is not intended to be fair, but to give Chris something to think about, at least the impression these actions give to others.

His commercialization of Yosemite was forgiven as long as this forum lived.

Social climber
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:16am PT
kingtut is correct. CMAC selling SUPERTOPO.

put a bullet in the forum. burn it to the ground. it's dead.

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:23am PT
I hope it's not dead. It would be a shame to lose threads like DonC's history of Big Rock.
A Essex

Apr 16, 2019 - 09:24am PT
'trust' is a funny word

trusting the Supertaco with images has proved riskier than bitcoin

Social climber
The internet
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:29am PT
It would be nice to see the forum managed better. The hands-off thing doesn't work, nor does knee-jerk deleting of content.

I guess it depends who buys it.

As a guidebook publisher, all his material seems outdated. Most books are pre 2010, some much older.

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, CO
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:33am PT
The bulgemelon thread was soooo stupid, which was a good ting.

Social climber
Lida Junction
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:36am PT
The better thing to have done would have been to give it away to someone with a sense and respect for our history. Someone among us has the deeper pockets to just pay the monthly site fees and keep alive all that is being deleted.

How about charging users a monthly fee? Just enough to keep the site up, and running?
Admittedly, I don't climb anymore, but I came here for the political discussions, trip reports, and to give feedback on some topics.
There have been off topic discussions(remember Chris' solar panel thread?)
for at least ten years or so.
For those that say a climbing site should only be about climbing,

well, there's this:
"I don't want to write about climbing; I don't want talk about it; I don't want to photograph it; I don't want to think about it; all I want to do is do it." ó Chuck Pratt.


Trad climber
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:48am PT

Iím not taking the time to do sh#t. This site has more than thoroughly violated its trust to the community of climbers it depends on by recklessly and incompetently erasing thousands and thousands of posts that encapsulated rich beta and first-person climbing history we may never get back. Delete away, chumps.

Captures my sentiments.

if you didn't make the photograph don't post it, doesn't belong to you no matter what the Law says, it's really simple, it's called common courtesy and being honest.ive had people on this forum scan photographs from my books and post them here, class acts, I don't care whether you give proper credit or not if you don't own it look at it don't steal it. . .df

That seems a bit different, actively scanning intellectual property and posting it without consent. It seems the fair use standard allows exactly what has been taking place here and at most any other interactive website/forum.

I think this action is way misguided. How does anyone post photos on the internet with the expectation that they won't be shared or re-used? I certainly don't.

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Apr 16, 2019 - 10:08am PT
What!! Selling Supertopo!! This is starting to sound like when REI took over Mountain Project....and ALL the hardwork done by its inputers. We put all that gathered info in and someone else benefits....No?? Yes??

Apr 16, 2019 - 10:12am PT
How can I get my account deactivated with all posts and photos s rubbed without resorting to being a dick about it? Walleye was able to do it.

I want mine done like that now too.

And I'm 1000% serious ......

Administration ..... are YOU LISTENING? DO IT NOW !!!!!!

Don Paul

Social climber
Washington DC
Apr 16, 2019 - 10:14am PT
Zbrown I don't see anything in that license that allows those rights to be transferred or sold. They are not transferable, since they involve copyrights and there is no consideration paid for using the material. And without an audience I'm not sure what someone thinks they're buying anyway. Hopefully the rumor isn't true.

Apr 16, 2019 - 10:31am PT
I have no idea over the years, as to how many times I have posted images I do not own. The most efficient way to correct this is for ALL of my posts to be deleted in their entirety.

Please do this.

After this request any failure to erase my posts would seem an act for which the site can be held accountable.

ron gomez

Trad climber
Apr 16, 2019 - 10:59am PT
Man, if Chris(and company) have an opportunity to build a company for years, build it to the point of being marketable and are offered a sale that they are comfortable with....good for them! I find it hard to believe all the critics, good or bad, if they worked for years to start, build and keep a business it to an attractive situation where you can MAKE SOME MONEY that you would say,Ēno my ďcustomersĒ are so good to me...even though they donít pay for or take any risk on the business, that Iíll pass up the money to keep them happy!Ē
I donít know if a sale is happening, but if it is...good for Supertopo.
Funny how a lot of people go onto another site that did the same plan and thatís cool? Remember, if you donít agree with or donít like the situation, you are completely free not to click on and get frustrated. Thatís the biggest way a business pays attention....when customers leave.
Don Paul

Social climber
Washington DC
Apr 16, 2019 - 11:03am PT
^ better pay attention to Mr Stannard. Not only a famous climber but also a published author. Featured in Life Magazine, a copyrighted publication.
Kofi Donny Annan

darkest of africa
Apr 16, 2019 - 11:10am PT
ha ha Don Paul. Troublemaker.

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 16, 2019 - 11:23am PT
If this site is being groomed for sale, I would think that some due diligence would reveal to the buyer that its traffic is poised to decline.

We do vote with our feet here. No traffic; no value.

But is there any actual basis to the sale rumors?
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