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ddriver

Trad climber
SLC, UT
Apr 16, 2019 - 09:48am PT

Iím not taking the time to do sh#t. This site has more than thoroughly violated its trust to the community of climbers it depends on by recklessly and incompetently erasing thousands and thousands of posts that encapsulated rich beta and first-person climbing history we may never get back. Delete away, chumps.

Captures my sentiments.


if you didn't make the photograph don't post it, doesn't belong to you no matter what the Law says, it's really simple, it's called common courtesy and being honest.ive had people on this forum scan photographs from my books and post them here, class acts, I don't care whether you give proper credit or not if you don't own it look at it don't steal it. . .df

That seems a bit different, actively scanning intellectual property and posting it without consent. It seems the fair use standard allows exactly what has been taking place here and at most any other interactive website/forum.

I think this action is way misguided. How does anyone post photos on the internet with the expectation that they won't be shared or re-used? I certainly don't.
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Apr 16, 2019 - 10:08am PT
What!! Selling Supertopo!! This is starting to sound like when REI took over Mountain Project....and ALL the hardwork done by its inputers. We put all that gathered info in and someone else benefits....No?? Yes??
WBraun

climber
Apr 16, 2019 - 10:12am PT
How can I get my account deactivated with all posts and photos s rubbed without resorting to being a dick about it? Walleye was able to do it.

I want mine done like that now too.

And I'm 1000% serious ......

Administration ..... are YOU LISTENING? DO IT NOW !!!!!!

Don Paul

Social climber
Washington DC
Apr 16, 2019 - 10:14am PT
Zbrown I don't see anything in that license that allows those rights to be transferred or sold. They are not transferable, since they involve copyrights and there is no consideration paid for using the material. And without an audience I'm not sure what someone thinks they're buying anyway. Hopefully the rumor isn't true.
jstan

climber
Apr 16, 2019 - 10:31am PT
I have no idea over the years, as to how many times I have posted images I do not own. The most efficient way to correct this is for ALL of my posts to be deleted in their entirety.

Please do this.

After this request any failure to erase my posts would seem an act for which the site can be held accountable.


Jstan
ron gomez

Trad climber
Apr 16, 2019 - 10:59am PT
Man, if Chris(and company) have an opportunity to build a company for years, build it to the point of being marketable and are offered a sale that they are comfortable with....good for them! I find it hard to believe all the critics, good or bad, if they worked for years to start, build and keep a business going...build it to an attractive situation where you can MAKE SOME MONEY that you would say,Ēno my ďcustomersĒ are so good to me...even though they donít pay for or take any risk on the business, that Iíll pass up the money to keep them happy!Ē
I donít know if a sale is happening, but if it is...good for Supertopo.
Funny how a lot of people go onto another site that did the same plan and thatís cool? Remember, if you donít agree with or donít like the situation, you are completely free not to click on and get frustrated. Thatís the biggest way a business pays attention....when customers leave.
Peace
Don Paul

Social climber
Washington DC
Apr 16, 2019 - 11:03am PT
^ better pay attention to Mr Stannard. Not only a famous climber but also a published author. Featured in Life Magazine, a copyrighted publication.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 16, 2019 - 11:23am PT
If this site is being groomed for sale, I would think that some due diligence would reveal to the buyer that its traffic is poised to decline.

We do vote with our feet here. No traffic; no value.

But is there any actual basis to the sale rumors?
Don Paul

Social climber
Washington DC
Apr 16, 2019 - 11:40am PT
Zbrown the marbles still belong to them and they can republish their trip reports elsewhere. Supertopo has no exclusive rights, or any rights at all if the authors tell them to remove their work. The potential buyer was just threatened with legal action. (See JS post just above: "After this request any failure to erase my posts would seem an act for which the site can be held accountable.")
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Apr 16, 2019 - 11:55am PT
The potential buyer was just threatened with legal action.

Would you care to share more info?
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Apr 16, 2019 - 12:41pm PT
hey, I like the Flames and Old Tractor threads

are they gone now because all the images are not personally taken and owned?
johntp

Trad climber
Punter
Apr 16, 2019 - 12:42pm PT
Man...hope I donít loose contact with some OLD friends that I usually keep up with here! Iíve helped some of these buddies via this site.....Mouse being one, got him to Memorials because we were able to hook up via ST. Iíll fer sure have to update my contact list. Good lord, the Bachar, Fonda and Bridwell Memorials were aided via this place. How many of Toddís fundraisers would have happened without this medium. There IS good with ST, hope it doesnít dissolve Getting sad!
Peace

I've had off forum communication with most (but not all) of the people I've interacted with on the forum. So I have phone numbers and/or email addys of those members.

In the end, whatever is in the works, would prefer to see the taco sold than disappear.

Do agree the loss of content is a travesty.

So, if I understand correctly, CMac is trying to clean up the forum based on input from a potential buyer? Kinda like a home inspection prior to purchase?
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Apr 16, 2019 - 12:43pm PT
Bulging my melon watching this.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Apr 16, 2019 - 01:03pm PT
how did we get to the opinion that Chris is going to either close or sell this forum?

did he say this somewhere, please post the link?
johntp

Trad climber
Punter
Apr 16, 2019 - 01:15pm PT
how did we get to the opinion that Chris is going to either close or sell this forum?

did he say this somewhere, please post the link?

Dood, read between the lines. This place has been a relatively unregulated free for all for years. In the last year or so the hosts have been wielding a somewhat heavy hand. Banning members, deleting content, etc.
johntp

Trad climber
Punter
Apr 16, 2019 - 02:46pm PT
I hope that whoever brought this about is happy with their actions because this is the end of this forum as a ready resource. Nobody is going to wade into my photobucket account for every posted page or image which is what one has to do now and it is only a matter of time before that gets disrupted and the content is lost.
I have permission to post much of the historical content that has been made available to everyone here but my efforts will now be directed toward my own North American Climbing History Archives (NACHA) website.
It has been fun folks but this tar pit wrecks it all.
Cheers

Steve- Could be your NACHA could be the next step to keeping the magic alive.

The reason for this statement is a backpacking forum I was on (sponsored by Backpacking Magazine) went kaput about 10 years ago. An entrepreneurial member managed to resurrect it independent of BP magazine.
john hansen

climber
Apr 16, 2019 - 03:51pm PT
I noticed the "Total Messages Posted" amount dropped by about 100,000.

A lot of that was probably just from Dingus and Mouse....

Who else got the chop?
johntp

Trad climber
Punter
Apr 16, 2019 - 03:57pm PT
I donít understand why it needs to be this way :(

The hosts are entrepreneurs. Their focus is on the future, not the past.

The taco is a sideline, not their main income source.
McGinnis

climber
Apr 16, 2019 - 04:09pm PT
Feels like a remodel. Tear it down to the framework then rebuild it the way you want.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Apr 16, 2019 - 05:52pm PT
DMT was all SuperTopo/ all the time, so it is almost worth the upheaval just to have him finally gone.

Craig was one of the people that made ST worthwhile.

I don't know if he asked to be removed, or was chopped, but I'll miss him.
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