Alexandria, take II

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
This thread has been locked
Messages 1 - 477 of total 477 in this topic
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 21, 2019 - 05:11pm PT
Not sure why the Alexandria thread was frozen. Guessing, people couldn't have a civilized discussion.

But, AOC is well and keeps stirring the pot (or the toilet of our political system).

So, what's new, AOC?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/nyregion/aoc-billboard-amazon.html


"Probably the last thing that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez needs is a billboard to get her more attention or notoriety.

But there it was, on 42nd Street just west of Times Square, a digital attack ad that blamed the freshman Democratic congresswoman for Amazon’s decision to pull out of New York, taking with it 25,000 promised jobs.

“Thanks for Nothing, AOC!” the ad read, using Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s initials that became ubiquitous even before she officially set foot in Congress.

The ad was paid for by a Texas-based group called the Job Creators Network. In the past, tax records show that the Mercer Family Foundation has funded what appears to be a related group, the Job Creators Alliance, also based in Addison, Tex."

Is she really that powerful already? Wow!

Moose

PS. Please, keep the discussion civil. There is no need to get personal. Even it you think I'm stupid, pointing that to me won't change my brain.

WBraun

climber
Feb 21, 2019 - 05:17pm PT
The reason these threads get booted is because you really haven't said anything all.

All you're doing is repeating sound bites that have already been said and done.

Do you really know what's really going on?

NO, you only know what you are being told ......
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 21, 2019 - 05:29pm PT
Tell us what we are being told,oh great one.

You are right,she says a lot of stupid stuff
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 21, 2019 - 06:41pm PT
She's a socialist...Burn her at the stake...
nah000

climber
now/here
Feb 21, 2019 - 08:43pm PT
since this appears to be the politard thread du hour and apparently i’m in a throwing down mood:

i’d like to take a moment to lay down why i am currently of the position that trump is the greatest u.s. president of the post nixon era and obama was the worst...



trump is the greatest because he says pretty much exactly who and what he is day in and day out: he is a liar, a demagogue, a con man, a believer in might makes right, a crony capitalist and a wannabe authoritarian.

when frenemies murder an american citizen in their embassy he doesn’t just turn a blind eye, he comes out with a statement that starts with “The world is a dangerous place!” and moves on to explain that “After my heavily negotiated trip to Saudi Arabia last year, the Kingdom agreed to spend and invest $450 billion in the United States. This is a record amount of money. It will create hundreds of thousands of jobs, tremendous economic development, and much additional wealth for the United States. Of the $450 billion, $110 billion will be spent on the purchase of military equipment from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and many other great U.S. defense contractors. If we foolishly cancel these contracts, Russia and China would be the enormous beneficiaries - and very happy to acquire all of this newfound business. It would be a wonderful gift to them directly from the United States!”

no bull shIt there, just pure unadulterated selling of future wars...

hell, might as well make sure the saudis have nuclear arms as well...



obama on the other hand? he set the stage for trump with his rhetoric of “trust the people who are pulling the levers... we are good people and we know what we are doing” and “we need to let the sins of the past administration be bygones” and so sold and then completed the institionalization of a more kinglike approach to the roles and abilities of a u.s. president than had ever existed previously...



and so now it’s just one more president’s turn to continue to push that envelope just a little further.



and so my only real beef is with the majority of the american public who seem hellbent on regaining a king rather than the semi-democratic, messy and redundant set of institutional checks and balances that was originally intended...

and that’s regardless of whether that is being sold with nobel peace prizes and two faced rhetoric...

or the red hatted, fUck everyone but those with money/power sales pitch that is currently in place.



and so to keep this on topic: go AOC!

at least she is actually DOING something [aka voting] differently, rather than just talking differently and then falling along party lines when it comes time to vote...

time will tell, if that lasts or whether the machine will be able to consume her...

so far, so good.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 21, 2019 - 08:46pm PT
Well, here we go again. Sorry AOC. I admire your spunk.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 21, 2019 - 08:46pm PT
Maybe she could be attacked by Bernie supporters while she is eating a
Cubano sandwich she bought at a Bodega at 2 in the morning.

That'll get her ratings up!

couchmaster

climber
Feb 21, 2019 - 09:03pm PT

Sorry Moose, but I'm holding out for "Alexandria, take III".

NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 21, 2019 - 09:18pm PT
hell, might as well make sure the saudis have nuclear arms as well...

Well, they're trying at least:
"Multiple Whistleblowers Raise Grave Concerns with White House Efforts to Transfer Sensitive U.S. Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia"
https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/multiple-whistleblowers-raise-grave-concerns-with-white-house-efforts-to
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Feb 21, 2019 - 10:07pm PT
Burn her at the stake.

She's a vegetarian.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 21, 2019 - 10:39pm PT
“Not sure why the Alexandria thread was frozen. Guessing, people couldn't have a civilized discussion.”

This is a troll question, right?
dirtbag

climber
Feb 22, 2019 - 07:10am PT
I’m having a hard time getting excited about her brand, and Bernie’s brand, of pie in the sky ultra progressive bullshitting. Sorry, but promising the world without having a serious discussion of trade offs (e.g., the green new deal, Medicare for all), and what can be done here and now, is a set up for a massive backfire. We urgently need drastic, workable solutions to many serious problems, especially climate change, but the gnd, which wants to simultaneously somehow, some way (and it’s always somehow, some way) tackle income inequality, is far too overreaching. I’m seeing too many Dems succumb to this brand of progressivism as an antidote to trumpism’s snake oil, but it’s less of an antidote and more like another dose.

So there!
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 22, 2019 - 07:18am PT
“If we were willing to give away $3 billion for this deal, we could invest those $3 billion in our district ourselves, if we wanted to. We could hire out more teachers. We can fix our subways. We can put a lot of people to work for that money, if we wanted to,”

Smarter than tree full of owls.

Edit: ^ What dirt said. ^
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 22, 2019 - 07:26am PT
What dirt said.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Feb 22, 2019 - 07:34am PT
I agree with dirtbag. We need prsctical solutions.
I'm kinda tired of Kamala, already.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 22, 2019 - 07:50am PT
I’m with Dirtbag on this one.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 22, 2019 - 08:42am PT

First it’s pie-in-the-sky and the next thing ya know it’s a guillotine at Jack London Square.
There’s nuthin new under the sun.
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Feb 22, 2019 - 09:13am PT
DMT,

Better video of that song IMO (even if it is just marketing).
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Carry on.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 22, 2019 - 09:18am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 22, 2019 - 09:54am PT
I don't see how she overcomes the Amazon disaster. A huge FU to her party big shots to say nothing of her constituency. Guessing she is a one-termer. Though she can get a cushy CNN spot.

None of these zip codes is in her district.

https://www.westsiderag.com/2019/02/20/ocasio-cortez-staffer-disses-upper-west-side-bred-careerists-but-no-neighborhood-gave-more-to-her-campaign

tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Feb 22, 2019 - 10:27am PT
Samantha Fish tells it like it is...problem with party politics...You'll Never Change...
[Click to View YouTube Video]

American Dream
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Blood on a street
Tonight a new day
Lost count of how many died
At least I'm doing it my way
You're the liberated
You are the free
Free to cry and die, disenfranchise, blessed as a country
I-I'm living American dream
I-I'm living American dream well
I-I'm living American dream
I-I'm living American dream well
Hand on a Bible
Foot on your neck
Living half-past half-mast
And semi automatic
Help ain't coming
So I prayed for you
It ain't much but it's the least I can do, well, 'cause I
I-I'm living American dream well
I-I'm living American dreams
I-I'm living American dream
I-I'm living…
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 22, 2019 - 10:34am PT
Interesting lady. Can't quite see her through the partisan media fog.

Werner is right, you are being told what to believe by people who do not have your best interest in mind.


Anyone who gets attacked really hard must have some decent truth or they would be ignored. Some special interests are freaked out.


Was the Amazon deal good for NYC or or a screw job? I am too lazy to find out by researching the deal myself. The truth shall not be found in the news media.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 22, 2019 - 01:10pm PT
Was the Amazon deal good for NYC or or a screw job? I am too lazy to find out by researching the deal myself. T

Like any other fork in the road, you can't take both at the same time. So we will never know for sure.
But it's the perception that matters. The (D) Governor and Mayor here had pursued Amazon for some time, meetings presentations etc.
The (D) establishment, looks at the NY14 seat as theirs. AOC occupies it at their pleasure. She's not a pleasure now, she's a loose cannon on deck, rolling around smashing everything in her path. Pop up demonstrations at random, even one in Speaker Pelosis office the day of her swearing in. Like Sanders, she isn't a actually a (D). There are already people in the (D) establishment that want her recalled or limited to one term.
I'm not in her district but in the adjacent one.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 22, 2019 - 02:55pm PT
Amazon will pay zero in taxes this year ,all the while putting your local shops and businesses out of business. Then you would like us the people of NY to subsidize that.

Yeah ,cool.

Bring on the gentrification,we can hardly House the middle income folk of the City and the rest of the state.

This kind of cronyism has to stop somewhere.

And as far as all your pie in the sky theories,tell that all to your kids and remind them only Republicans get everything they want in this country.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 22, 2019 - 04:58pm PT
Amazon will pay zero in taxes this year ,all the while putting your local shops and businesses out of business.

Whether or not New York, or any city or state, should offer financial incentives to businesses is a completely separate issue from Amazon's growth at the expense of other businesses.

Before simply saying Amazon/Bad, My Local Store/Good, it's worth asking why the people who once shopped at your local store are now shopping at Amazon. No one held a gun to your neighbor's head and said "either shop at Amazon instead of Joe's Hardware or I'll shoot you." Your neighbor made that choice freely.

Whether New York (or any city) should give financial breaks to Amazon (or any other business) is a separate, and not simple, question.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 22, 2019 - 05:07pm PT
Wyo,I love that song, thanks for sharing that version.
WBraun

climber
Feb 22, 2019 - 05:12pm PT
The woman said "Many times I can’t afford meat.

You don't need meat period.

Biggest waste of money period and is completely unhealthy ....
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 22, 2019 - 05:15pm PT
How about this Ghost , I and many over here make the same money as we did in the eighties.

And it is all our super experienced faults.

Edit;I did not conflate issues they are practically the same. It is their game plan.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 22, 2019 - 05:16pm PT
I dunno....duck l'orange is delicious....as long as it's a young duck...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 22, 2019 - 05:22pm PT
DMT, thank you for posting that, and being the human that you are.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 22, 2019 - 05:25pm PT
Seriously made my f*#king day.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 22, 2019 - 05:40pm PT
Craig, that video was so faking cool, this is the fourth time I’ve told you this. Sac Town’s finest man. You made my night, and my nights have been pretty shitty lately. My happy dogs rolling around at my feet makes me feel so good, man. Thank you so much.
sween345

climber
back east
Feb 22, 2019 - 06:57pm PT
Ms. Ocasio had nothing to do with the mechanics of the Amazon deal.

She was a cheerleader for the masses before it failed and will be the recipient of some flak after for it falling apart.

She may have supplied some brownshirts at the Dec.12 City Council meeting where the Amazon reps were shouted down. That was the Councils way of telling Amazon they had to get their vig. Dandy Andy and Big Bird DeBlasio had tried an end around to cut out their Lieutenants (the State Senate and City Council) legislatively, and therefor financially. Those two couldn't stand in the same room without the temperature rising 30 degrees, so you know the Retirement Fund was getting padded big time. Nothing happens in New York without ALL the racketeers getting paid. Amazon walked away because they weren't going into their pocket after making a deal with the Dons.

The 3B wasn't extraordinary really in NY bond dealings. It's one way the real racketeers (the elected ones) make the quiet money. They also garner a tidy sum through patronage,covert friends and family accounts, and insider deals on ancillary gains. (real estate and smaller trickle down businesses)

What's another 1/2 a billion,eh?
https://www.bondbuyer.com/news/nyc-council-finance-panel-approves-500m-hudson-yards-bond-issue

It all starts to look like Monopoly money.
Affordable housing is just another way for them to win hearts and minds while they line their pockets.

https://www.budget.ny.gov/agencyGuide/pacb/022019/Agenda-022019.pdf

Why would anything with Rockefellers name on it need 310 large padding from the city? Especially a foundation with some Greek shipping magnets(sic) name on it,too.
sempervirens

climber
Feb 23, 2019 - 11:07am PT
Article from Forbes.com about those who funded the billboard. Job Creators Network, Job Creators Alliance, Job Creators Network Foundation, International Franchise Association are all involved and, according to the article they have many characters and funders in common. That includes the Mercer Family who funded trump's campaign and founded Cambridge Analytica. So are these groups and its players altruistically fighting for a free market?, jobs for the middle class?, democratic values? This is why I think trump supporters are being played.

From the article:
But the group spends most of its resources identifying and recruiting entrepreneurs and executives to serve as spokespeople for free markets, and then sends them out into the media landscape, either in advertisements or, preferably, op-eds and TV appearances. "These are real job creators who are advocating on behalf of free enterprise in the media, and they bring great credibility as real job creators," says Ortiz.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robbmandelbaum/2017/08/17/meet-job-creators-network-defenders-of-the-free-market/#6b91a6d677f2
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 23, 2019 - 08:20pm PT
First it’s pie-in-the-sky

We don't have money for schools, or libraries, or fire stations. That's all pie in the sky bullsh#t. We need to be realistic.

But we got $8 billion dollars to build one destroyer that fires $800,000 shells, and billions to build fighter jets that can't fly at night or in the rain. We can spend $2 million dollars for each goatherd we kill in some god forsaken desert, that we got.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 24, 2019 - 07:37am PT
They have Socialism right where they want it ,right now.


“Socialism for the Rich,Rugged individualism for the poor”.
Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Feb 24, 2019 - 07:48am PT
" You don't need meat period."

Thank you for telling me what I need. I really appreciate it... You and Bernie will get along great.



I like meat. I also like to keep as much of the money as I earn as I can...
So, I shop at amazon on occasion.

And I buy meat. Because I like it.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Feb 24, 2019 - 07:58am PT
But we got $8 billion dollars to build one destroyer that fires $800,000 shells, and billions to build fighter jets that can't fly at night or in the rain. We can spend $2 million dollars for each goatherd we kill in some god forsaken desert, that we got
cut the military budget by seventy-five percent


Yep, Gary. The corporations wash those little brains to believe there is no money for anything but the wars and tax relieve for the wealthy. It's ridiculous that people think Bernie or Alexandria are socialists/extreme liberals. In most European countries they would be viewed as centrists.

because the us has historically been a conservative nation.

Amazon will pay zero in taxes this year ,all the while putting your local shops and businesses out of business

I don't know how much Walmart pays in taxes, but I find it ironic that it is allowed to put mom and pop shops out of business, and no one seems to complain.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 24, 2019 - 04:30pm PT
There was a lengthy article from the AP in the local paper today that outlined the probable results of the inquiry, based on court actions and filings. Looks to me that the investigation may fall short of implicating Trump, but rather deals with all his minions and The Russkies. House Democratic committees are chomping at the bit to take over.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 24, 2019 - 06:37pm PT
Yeah . Trumps minions did all that sh#t behind his back without trump knowing about it . He’s going to be really upset when he finds out what they were up to .
dirtbag

climber
Feb 25, 2019 - 07:41am PT
For someone who claims that the Russia inquiry is a big nothingburger, Individual 1 sure lies and covers his tracks like a guilty person. The best case scenarios I can think of is that he is either so forgetful he can’t keep track of what is happening, or lying is his reflexive reaction to every uncomfortable fact. Both are plausible, but neither best case scenario gives me the warm fuzzies.
WBraun

climber
Feb 25, 2019 - 07:55am PT
Russia had nothing to do with your st00pid election.

The criminals in your own system did it and then went on to smear Russia.

You Americans are so easily brainwashed that's why the criminals in DC can so easily get away with it.

Thus the "St00pid American" moniker is so fitting for you fool brainwashed politards ....



Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Feb 25, 2019 - 07:59am PT

Get back to work!
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Feb 25, 2019 - 08:10am PT
Yeah . Trumps minions did all that sh#t behind his back without trump knowing about it . He’s going to be really upset when he finds out what they were up to .
I hear that he is going to spank Ivanka. nawmean.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 25, 2019 - 08:39am PT
Russia had nothing to do with your st00pid election.

The criminals in your own system did it and then went on to smear Russia.

You Americans are so easily brainwashed that's why the criminals in DC can so easily get away with it.

Thus the "St00pid American" moniker is so fitting for you fool brainwashed politards


Moon landings: fact or fiction?

LO friggin’ L.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 25, 2019 - 09:18am PT
For someone who claims that the Russia inquiry is a big nothingburger, Individual 1 sure lies and covers his tracks like a guilty person. The best case scenarios I can think of is that he is either so forgetful he can’t keep track of what is happening, or lying is his reflexive reaction to every uncomfortable fact. Both are plausible, but neither best case scenario gives me the warm fuzzies.

Or maybe... just maybe... he's been right all along.... that there's no evidence of his campaign conspiring/colluding with the Russians to impact the election!

Has any member of his campaign team been charged with anything linked to the Trump/Russia conspiracy claim?

Mueller... Mueller....

Mueller???
dirtbag

climber
Feb 25, 2019 - 09:22am PT
Well we don’t know what mueller knows. Mueller has been extraordinarily tight lipped. Hopefully, beans, if any exist, will be spilled soon. But you can’t make too many conclusions either way at this point.


But again: what’s up with all the lying and track covering? I offered some explanations above, and neither are very satisfactory.

Edit: we actually do have examples of campaign officials working with Russians for campaigning purposes. Manafort apparently handed off polling data to Russians, Stone unofficially/officially worked with wiki, and there’s the infamous trump tower meeting between a connected Russian and Manafort and individual 1’s idiot son and son in law.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 25, 2019 - 09:46am PT
"...that there's no evidence of his campaign conspiring/colluding with the Russians to impact the election!"

That is known as covering one's tracks.

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 25, 2019 - 12:10pm PT
Has any member of his campaign team been charged with anything linked to the Trump/Russia conspiracy claim?

Mueller... Mueller....

Mueller???

Manafort...Manafort...

Manafort???
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 25, 2019 - 12:24pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
jogill

climber
Colorado
Feb 25, 2019 - 12:36pm PT
^^^ Oh, my!


;>)
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 25, 2019 - 01:48pm PT
It is kind of strange that both the POTUS and his Vice are out of the country at the same time while Cohen will have his 15 minutes in front of Congress.

Not to mention near the end of Muellers investigations.

IMHO ,nothing will happen from Muellers report,there is way too much money involved.

The real problem for T is getting re-elected,especially since there will be states with laws that require all tax info to be disclosed before being allowed on their ballots.


This next election will be something. With DT incessantly tweeting,even before the Dprimary ,DT is effectively going to choose the right candidate to beat himself. It will be something.
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Feb 25, 2019 - 02:10pm PT
The juicy bits of the Mueller report will be leaked so fast they would sink the Lusitania.

And... Adam Schiff plans to subpeona Mueller. He'll wait until he's no longer the SI... just a private citizen.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Feb 25, 2019 - 05:02pm PT
Back to AOC. She might want to re-think some of her economic stances. $15/hr min. wage is HAMMERING restaurants in NYC. A taste of the article:

In a survey conducted by New York City Hospitality Alliance late last year, about 75% of the more than 300 respondents operating full-service restaurants reported they’ll reduce employee hours this year because of the new wage increases, while 47% said they’ll eliminate jobs in 2019.

https://fee.org/articles/restaurant-recession-hits-nyc-following-15-minimum-wage/?fbclid=IwAR0OLBI1aX2_MA4p_nm7143xwTFgoBUFBwCXdNG48kwjvsH5xKexpvUoL4s

Food for thought.

BAd
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 25, 2019 - 05:04pm PT
AOC hasn’t heard there’s no such thang as a free lunch. I bet she is straight from Bernie’s
mold of not having had a real job, let alone ever taken an econ course.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Feb 25, 2019 - 05:16pm PT
Reilly, the scary part is, she is supposed to have a degree in economics!!!!111111!

BAd
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Feb 25, 2019 - 05:30pm PT
you guys all know that the Democrats announcing their candidacy for the Presidency are simply staking out and trying to endear themselves to the more extreme left primary voters.

They all know that nothing they put forward has any chance of becoming US law with the Senate requiring 60 votes to overcome filibusters and that only a miracle in 2020 would put the Democrats into a Senate bare majority.

Bernie did the same thing in 2016, advocating healthcare for everyone, free college, etc
He knew he would be long dead before anything like that would become law, but it appealed to and revved up millions of primary voters to buy what he was selling back then. snake oil

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 25, 2019 - 05:32pm PT
All about the money,that is your only stance.

Talk about a straw man.

Reilly ,that is laughable,she is from the Bronx fcs.

And we have the same 15 /hour restaurant deal in Upstate ,we call it a resurgence.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 25, 2019 - 05:35pm PT
BAd, HaHaHa! Show’s how much attention I’ve been paying!
Guess that explains the Karl Marx poster on her wall, huh?
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Feb 25, 2019 - 05:37pm PT
So the "hospitality alliance" surveyed itself about whether paying their employees more was going to hurt their business. They responded negatively. SHOCKING!

Then a stupid article gets pushed out to the media.

SEE!!! Bernie is Crazy!

LOL.

Bernie 2020!

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 25, 2019 - 06:30pm PT
I'd support the wage increase 100% if it resulted in paradigm shift around the role of tipping compensating for a server's pathetic hourly wage.

Unfortunately, it will only result in $15/hour with the same expectation of 15-20% tip for shitty service. Meh.
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Feb 26, 2019 - 04:26am PT
By the way, should I tip a policeman, a firefighter, a paramedic, my member of parliament and other government officials?

What would be a proper percent in these cases?
seano

Mountain climber
none
Feb 26, 2019 - 05:24am PT
For Congress-critters, the standard tip is 5% on the first $20 million of service, 2.5% after that: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1667009&page=1
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Feb 26, 2019 - 06:40am PT
Wow, Seano. Just wow. I hadn't heard this story. I know most politicians are bribed in one way or another, but this is some next level stuff.

BAd
dirtbag

climber
Feb 26, 2019 - 07:20am PT
Trump arrives in Vietnam, and Michael Cohen arrives in D.C.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Feb 26, 2019 - 07:36am PT
The minimum wage argument is becoming a moot point. Automation will replace minimum wage jobs, and some not so minimum wage jobs. It's starting to happen at the Ports of Long Beach, and Los Angeles.
seano

Mountain climber
none
Feb 26, 2019 - 08:40am PT
Bad Climber: Duke Cunningham was in a league of his own, and absolutely unforgettable.

10b4me: I don't think it will be that simple. Plenty of low-paying, crappy jobs will stick around as long as humans are cheaper than robots. I'll bet we Americans will still be paying Guatemalans to clean our offices in 50 years.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 26, 2019 - 08:55am PT
Trump on brink of defeat on border emergency
Just one more Senate Republican is needed to block Trump’s emergency declaration, though even critics are reluctant to buck the president.

By BURGESS EVERETT and MARIANNE LEVINE 02/25/2019 08:25 PM EST Updated 02/25/2019 09:03 PM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/25/trump-national-emergency-congress-1185589

President Donald Trump is on the verge of a bipartisan rejection of his emergency declaration at the border in what would be an embarrassing rebuke by a Congress opposed to his immigration agenda.

Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) on Monday night said he would join Republican Sens. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine, along with 47 Senate Democrats to block Trump’s attempts to secure billions for his border wall after lawmakers effectively stiffed him. Now just one more GOP senator’s support for a resolution to block Trump's bid would send the measure to Trump’s desk and force a veto.

“Conservatives rightfully cried foul when President Barack Obama used executive action to completely bypass Congress,” Tillis said in a Washington Post op-ed on Monday night. “There is no intellectual honesty in now turning around and arguing that there’s an imaginary asterisk attached to executive overreach — that it’s acceptable for my party but not thy party.”






Just one more. Sounds like the rest of the GOP Senate are being cagey about their votes, but I would think Romney would join Collins, Murkowski and Tillis. Romney has great dislike for Trump and all that he stands for, and he's rebuilding his political identity around that opposition.

Of course, such a vote would be vetoed by Individual 1, and wouldn't likely be overridden, but it's an important line to be drawn.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 26, 2019 - 10:31am PT
Robert Mercer is the definition of Deep State anti-democracy.
Plutocrats buying billions of dollars of influence by buying politicians, and funding massive campaigns of misinformation.

Some of their top evil causes are: Citizens United, Breitfart, loopholes for hedge funds, Enormous climate denialism, Cambridge Analytica, pretend populism, alt-right conspiracies and witchhunts, nuclear bombs, illegal donations to the Brexit campaign, and destroying accuracy in media.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-mercer-breitbart-war-on-media-steve-bannon-donald-trump-nigel-farage

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 26, 2019 - 03:33pm PT

It is kind of strange that both the POTUS and his Vice are out of the country at the same time


I can't recall precedent. And neither of the countries they are in is really safe IMO and I've been in both. But they have two big things brewing simultaneously. It won't be for long.

I've been watching AOC since early Summmer since she is in the district next door. Two months has changed her.
The "We're not coming from the Right or Left we're coming from the bottom" appears to be over.
Now it appears they are goading her into a fight with Ivanka which is pointless. They would look better as BFFs.
WBraun

climber
Feb 26, 2019 - 05:02pm PT
Trump and his azzhole st00pid criminal friends Bibi Nutcaseyahoo along with Kushner dipsh!t Pompeo, dipsh!t Bolton are busy overseas drumming up a way to start another war.

This time with Iran.

March - April.

Could be fatal with mini nukes involved along with false flags to blame on Iran to start the war.

All while the st00pid politards here are looking at the usual brainwashed horseh!t coming out of the mainstream medias st00pid talking heads ....
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 26, 2019 - 06:21pm PT
Tough day for Trump’s NE declaration...Repubs in the Senate met with Pence today wringing their hands about the political and legal implications of Trump’s action, and House Repubs are seeking a way to limit POTUS ability to declare a NE in the first place. (And House Dems moved a vote forward to disapprove of the NE declaration)
Hubbard

climber
San Diego
Feb 26, 2019 - 06:50pm PT
Very nice WBraun. Now we are getting somewhere. Putting some cards on the table face up. A prediction no less. March or April war with Iran. Maybe. It wouldn't surprise me. More likely some sort of limited strike led by Israeli jets. As far as a real committed war I would picture that closer to the election cycle of 2020. Nobody knows. Only those big-wigs melting in their chairs.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Feb 26, 2019 - 07:34pm PT
Nutcaseyahoo. He he.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 26, 2019 - 07:59pm PT
I suppose some level of Duck’s scenario is plausible...Individual 1 has gotta be grasping at anything to keep him in the media.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Feb 26, 2019 - 08:04pm PT
but it is only ignorant forum politards posting so insanely when it isn't your own self...

constant hypocrisy fed by narcism
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 26, 2019 - 08:57pm PT
Cohen sings tomorrow and Mueller's report gets released next week.

And Trump is holed up in a country with no extradition treaty with the U.S., and he has control of Air Force One - I say he runs for Saudi Arabia.

10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Feb 26, 2019 - 09:44pm PT
Trump and his azzhole st00pid criminal friends Bibi Nutcaseyahoo along with Kushner dipsh!t Pompeo, dipsh!t Bolton are busy overseas drumming up a way to start another war.

This time with Iran.

March - April.

I agree this is a possibility.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 27, 2019 - 10:03am PT
AOC hasn’t heard there’s no such thang as a free lunch.

Unless you're the Pentagon or one of their contractors, then it's free-lunch-a-go-go.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 27, 2019 - 10:16am PT


TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Feb 27, 2019 - 11:33am PT
So, she wants to keep out jobs of NY since it would crowd her neighborhood and drive up rent. Yet, she wants to allow into the country anyone who wants to come here driving up rent, reducing paychecks for local workers battling cheap, illegal workers, crowding the highways to a halt and using our government assisted housing paid by you and me. Seems a bit backward or not in my backyard mentality.

If she really wanted to address climate change, she wouldn't have added 50 other items to the deal that have nothing to do with climate change but just pork projects she supports. She is no different than any other politician. And I thought for a brief moment she might have something to say and contribute.

She seems to be too narrow minded. How about incentives for carbon reducing innovation. Put s purse of money on innovation that brings real change and let the best and brightest shine. I wouldn't put second string on this item.

And yes, I am sorry but immigration needs to stop. We have exceeded sustainable. We cannot handle anymore people and a major population reduction is needed in combination with reduced pollution of all forms. I bet the nitrate level increasing in the oceans will kill us way before carbon emissions do but nobody talks about that since is has to do with the out of control population.

sween345

climber
back east
Feb 27, 2019 - 03:28pm PT


Maybe show her this chart and watch the smoke come from her ears while she tries to figure out it's relevance.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 27, 2019 - 03:58pm PT
Gary, don’t pretend that you don’t know we’re in agreement on that. Of course, if Congress ever did their job and actually exercised some oversight and demanded clear accounting of the Pentagon many billions (trillions?) would not have been wasted. Sadly that requires some work and doesn’t play as well as bringing in some clown to ‘testify’ and waste a few days for a good show. And remind me, when are the Dems gonna grow a set and vote agin the pork barrel?

sween, that’s how you grow yer constituency!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 27, 2019 - 07:18pm PT
Yeah,you may have missed this,AOC cross examining a sleese ball lawyer.

Just an idiot BU grad. [Click to View YouTube Video]
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 27, 2019 - 08:02pm PT
No kidding.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 27, 2019 - 08:36pm PT
Sween, if you had a clue, you'd know the actual cause and effect, not mere association, is between Infant Mortality and birthrate.

True all over the world, including here.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Feb 28, 2019 - 07:47am PT
Sorry, but AOC and her ilk are a bunch of raging idiots:

http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/07/ten-most-insane-requirements-green-new-deal/

To be fair, I find it hard to believe that they believe this list of changes is even remotely possible--even with a twenty year timeline. It's likely the purpose of this Green New Pile of Sh*t is to signal to their base that the new congress is REALLY progressive! Yay! Where the hell are the grownups? In either party? It's all so much self-serving crap. It's all about power and screen time and fund raising. GAh.

BAd
dirtbag

climber
Feb 28, 2019 - 07:51am PT
The federalist staff is a bunch of raging idiots. Hypocritical trumpkins all of them.
....
I didn’t watch yesterday’s hearing, but apparently AOC did quite well, and unlike other representatives who spent much of their limited allotted time grandstanding, she asked good questions, obtained information, and laid the groundwork for future avenues of investigation.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Feb 28, 2019 - 08:02am PT
The two biggest as#@&%es on that committee are Jim Jordan(Ohio), and Mark Meadows(the south).
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 28, 2019 - 08:51am PT
"Sorry, but AOC and her ilk are a bunch of raging idiots"


I would agree that her positions, taken literally, are totally unrealistic and unachievable...but she is far from being a raging idiot. She is obviously a very intelligent person who is trying like hell to drag politics back to the left.

This is politics, BAd. I believe she's intelligent enough to know her pie-in-the-sky dreams ain't gonna happen, but floating the ideas (esp. while she has media momentum behind her) gets people to talk about those issues, which just might result in some movement in areas that have received no attention to date. And if she drives the GOP crazy along the way, I'm all for it.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 28, 2019 - 09:12am PT
My heroin is one of few that try to think beyond politics.

What’s yer political methadone?
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Feb 28, 2019 - 09:26am PT
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2019/02/conservative-christians-claim-ocasio-cortez-is-a-witch-leading-attack-against-trump/?fbclid=IwAR34K59nasehEDEJ6EVrDafFJFu6HYwog0SiU5aQHm5-R7v6iRwqcZ93hWQ

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 28, 2019 - 09:40am PT
^^^^
Now there's a bunch of raging idiots...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 28, 2019 - 10:29am PT
‘This is not a day at the beach’: Pelosi tells moderate Dems to stop voting with GOP
House Democrats are divided over how to respond to Republican procedural attacks.
By HEATHER CAYGLE and JOHN BRESNAHAN 02/28/2019 12:58 PM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/28/nancy-pelosi-house-democrats-1195854

(Excerpts)

House Democrats held an emotional debate behind closed doors Thursday over how to stop losing embarrassing procedural battles with Republicans — a clash that exposed the divide between moderates and progressives.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) took a hard line at the caucus meeting, saying that being a member of Congress sometimes requires taking tough votes.

“This is not a day at the beach. This is the Congress of the United States,” Pelosi said, according to two sources.

Pelosi also warned that Democrats who voted with Republicans on the “motion to recommit” could lose support from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, although her threat may be more bluster than reality, according to Democratic lawmakers and aides.

And Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the superstar New York freshman Democrat, suggested she would alert progressive activists when Democrats are voting with the GOP on these motions, said the sources.

In the end, Pelosi and other top Democrats didn't agree to any rules change and will continue to study the issue. The motion to recommit offers the House minority one last shot at changing legislation before it receives a final floor vote. Typically, the motion is used to try to squeeze the majority party, but it rarely succeeds.

***

Republicans have already won two motions to recommit this Congress, including a Wednesday vote that angered Ocasio-Cortez and other progressives. In contrast, Republicans stuck together and never lost a single such motion when they controlled the House from 2011 to 2019.

The latest defeat came on Wednesday, as the House debated legislation requiring background checks on all gun sales — a position overwhelmingly favored by Democrats. When Republicans moved to amend the bill to require Immigration and Customs Enforcement be told of any undocumented immigrant who tries to buy a gun, 26 Democrats voted with the GOP. The language was added to the gun bill, spoiling an important Democratic legislative achievement.




'rarely succeeds'.....except when you are talking about Democrats, who are about as steadfast as watery oatmeal when it comes to hard issues.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Feb 28, 2019 - 10:54am PT
Hey, Dirt: Please explain how the observations of that piece are wrong. The GND is idiotic and, as Apogee points out, just gassy politics. Do you think the GND is a realistic plan, a way forward for the country? It's idiotic and has already been shelved. I KNOW it's politics, Apogee. That's what I said. And it's stupid. I'd say the same thing about any crap that came out of a Repub pie hole.

BAd
dirtbag

climber
Feb 28, 2019 - 12:08pm PT
I have stated my complaints with the gnd earlier. In a nutshell drastic action is needed on climate change, but the gnd is a mess. I’m also quite ambivalent about AOC.

But otherwise, the Individual 1 ball lickers at the federalist can suck sh#t. I’ve read numerous columns by them the past few years in which they cheerlead for trump. I have no interest in their defense and support of a racist crook and his enablers. It’s a hack rag.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 28, 2019 - 12:23pm PT
IOW anyone who sides with The President Of The United States is a lowlife scumbag. right?
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 28, 2019 - 12:29pm PT
Not at all. Some of my long time friends are tRump supporters.

But tRump is a low life scumbag fo’ sure.

tRump is a failed experiment. Time to learn from it and move on.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 28, 2019 - 12:36pm PT
IOW, Edward, don’t put words in my mouth.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 28, 2019 - 12:45pm PT
"Some of my long time friends are tRump supporters."

Me too...some close family, included. It was a real conundrum around the election.

How many of your friends still think he's been a good leader, and how many approve of his policies?

Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Feb 28, 2019 - 01:35pm PT
IOW anyone who sides with The President Of The United States is a lowlife scumbag. right?

You Damn Right

10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Feb 28, 2019 - 03:33pm PT


Not at all. Some of my long time friends are tRump supporters.

Do you know why they support him?
sween345

climber
back east
Feb 28, 2019 - 04:37pm PT

I should have known that someone would want to defend Ms. Ocasio or her ideals and I would feel compelled to defend my posting. I try to avoid political contentions because they never seem to have an agreeable resolution. It's like when they say to play the market with your head and not your heart, and people (being people) get scared and emotional, leading to poor judgment and bad decisions. My personal outlook is that politicians are only in it for themselves and I don't trust any of them.

willbeer, I watched the video and what I saw was orchestrated grand theater. Ms. Ocasio was given the role of executioner and she handled it well, but make no mistake the whole scene was scripted to the point it sounded like Cohen had already heard the questions.

At about 1:25 Ms. Ocasio starts grinning and gets a bit tongue tied, seemingly with glee, about driving past "Trump" golf course. She makes statements about the city building the golf course, and Trump getting all the benefit. Although her precise words aren't wrong she omitted one major factor. The city had spent the $127 million before Trump went anywhere near the place. They had exhausted all resources for money and needed to complete the work. Trump, like the unconscionable worm that he is stuck it to them. Don't forget another $70 million or so for the public park adjoining the golf course. All of it was a bad idea from the start.

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20160714/BLOGS04/160719951/new-york-city-to-donald-trump-you-didn-t-build-that-public-bronx-golf-course

Ken M, I don't know why you had to throw "if you had a clue" jab but you can make a point without trying to disparage me.

What I see in the chart I posted is legacy poverty worsened, if not outright created, by social policies rife with corruption. A system that steers people to self reliance would obviously make more sense, but the elected gangsters won't break down their own racket.



sween345

climber
back east
Feb 28, 2019 - 04:50pm PT

And Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the superstar New York freshman Democrat, suggested she would alert progressive activists when Democrats are voting with the GOP on these motions, said the sources.

Wow. This sounds pretty ominous.

Is "progressive activist" now slang for an arm breaker?

Maybe someone like Chepe/Jose Martin/Jose Alcoff?

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/18/antifa-leader-violent-communist/

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/29/joseph-alcoff-antifa-marines-philadelphia/
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 28, 2019 - 06:26pm PT
^^^ It's a republican method, if you could read more than one cherry picking.
"Republicans have already won two motions to recommit this Congress, including a Wednesday vote that angered Ocasio-Cortez and other progressives. In contrast, Republicans stuck together and never lost a single such motion when they controlled the House from 2011 to 2019."

So your logic applied to the precedent setters means:
Wow. This sounds pretty ominous about the republicans.
Is "republican" now slang for an arm breaker?
Maybe someone like putin/stalin?
https://dailyIamAnut-leader-violent-plutocrat/oligarch.plz

Why is it okay that for 40 years now, dems are supposed to play by the mother_teresa book of rules and republicans play by the putin book of rules?

Funny, that's the same 40 year era in which plutocrats corrupted the federal government.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 28, 2019 - 06:56pm PT
"Why is it okay that for 40 years now, dems are supposed to play by the mother_teresa book of rules and republicans play by the putin book of rules?"


Damn fine question!
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Feb 28, 2019 - 06:59pm PT
Why is it okay that for 40 years now, dems are supposed to play by the mother_teresa book of rules and republicans play by the putin book of rules?

good question, and the answer in my opinion is that the Dems hold themselves to higher standards, ethically, morally, environmentally, fiscally as in deficit, gender and racial equality wise, pretty much everything

10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Feb 28, 2019 - 08:57pm PT
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Feb 28, 2019 - 09:35pm PT
I don't know if I'd go with "amusing". I don't speak with my parents anymore.

There is no excuse for fox nation. The "differing opinions" argument doesn't hold any water.

But I've gone through the 5 stages of grief regarding the idiocracy. It wasn't too long ago that Mr. Lituya (who creepily and anonymously might actually know me) was able to throw me into a fit.

The writing is on the wall for the GOP. They've dug their own grave. Whether the individual members decide to jump in there is up to them.

Time to continue on my own personal path of redemption and try to be a positive influence on those I encounter.
Roughster

Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
Feb 28, 2019 - 10:02pm PT
AOC will be president in your lifetime. Get used to the idea :)
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 28, 2019 - 10:21pm PT
“The writing is on the wall for the GOP. They've dug their own grave.”

Heard that before. Don’t hold your breath. About half the nation were suckered into voting for this d#@&%ebag, and there damn sure hasn’t been any sudden increase in the intelligence quotient of the country in the last 2 years.
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Feb 28, 2019 - 10:53pm PT
Seems to me that things have been building over time and Trump is really in some legal trouble that will eventually be undeniable to all but the truly pathological. I grew up in an evangelical environment and I do think they have their limit.

The media does love to run stories about how die hard his base is, but I'm not sure it's 100% and he really doesn't have that much wiggle room. We've already seen some serious backlash and he's only begun to get exposed with the new congress.

You can't stop the tide when it turns. Enough people will realize they've made asses of themselves and will pretend they never laid down with the flea ridden dog.

But who knows I guess.

The quoted line wasn't really my point.

I've got a young kid so I have to have some hope or I'll lose my mind.

All I can do is not contribute to the vitriol and try to support whomever is bravest in the fight to solve our real problems like a truly f*#ked health care system and climate/environmental issues.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 1, 2019 - 07:06am PT
AOC will be president in your lifetime. Get used to the idea :)

More likely, she'll be one and done. A political Chumbawamba.

TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 1, 2019 - 07:17am PT
I am not Republican nor Democrat so I try to discuss the issues without anyone influencing my opinion. When you put yourself in a bucket, you become close minded and vote with the mob, Mob Rule so to speak. Everything needs to be discussed intelligently and both sides must hear the other and work out their differences. The second name calling generalizations are brought out, you are no longer solving a problem and boiled down to just name calling and zero progress.

Healthcare: I know of a rural (farmers) hospital in Ohio that is owned by the doctors and if you want to work there, you buy in ownership. The doctors had set up their own insurance program for the local population. Up until the ACA, they charged around $1,000 a year per family for full coverage including any procedure they were capable of handling and that was just about everything you would ever need. The ACA made their system illegal and shut it down. Why would a perfectly good solution be shut down by someone who I thought wanted to do good? The ACA can't even come close to touching the system it killed.

Welfare: It puts a disincentive on work and you get a population of people who don't want to work and want to work the system. It currently destroys families and the bonds needed to become successful. Just look at what it has done to the black population. Up until the major welfare programs, blacks had families, marriage and employment in much greater percentages.

Population / Immigration: We are choking the planet to death with an out of control human population. The result is pollution. Nitrates will kill the Oceans and our oxygen supply eventually. Carbon will acidify our oceans and create a blanket in the atmosphere. Get ready for red tides, dead zones, seaweed that piles up on the winward side of land masses, etc. Let people overpopulate an area with limited resources then migrate away to overpopulate somewhere else and you have a big problem. The problem needs to be address where they are migrating away from and why. Address those problems and survive or run from your problems to stave it off a few more years until the next area becomes a problem. Very concerning.

Living Wage: There are too many people for all of us to have a good job. It only works when everyone contributes. Look at the people of Alaska. They all work hard and survive. Sometimes they help one another when needed in a barter system. Its a hard life but it works. Or you can have some capitalist who will create an innovation (computers for example) and ride that wave of expansion but then when the wave ends what do you do? You have a lot of people looking for something to do or not.

Global Trade: Seems like a lot of our jobs are going away to cheap labor somewhere else. Then we buy these products to a debt on our end. This makes matters even worse. Trade only works when it is even. A barter system where you give me something and I give you something back. As soon as it is out of balance, the one side is taking advantage of the other and debts and job loss will result. Eventually, you have nothing more to give (no products being produced) and nothing more to take (don't have any money since I don't have a job).

After I look at the issues that I see as big problems, I pick the lesser of two evils. Nobody (DEM or REP) in government has come close to solving them and I don't see anyone that has any good ideas. Both sides are crazy and in it for themselves. Jump out of your party affiliation and think for yourself.

When you start calling someone names, you are no better yourself. Think about that for a moment before you breed more hate. I am working hard to not go there anymore. I saw something heartening in NC last year. Two political officials from the Left and Right agreed to sit down and listen to one another without any hate or name calling that would cloud judgement. They actually listened to each others side and agreed to try to solve a problem. They both came away understanding why each other felt the way they did and agreeded to try to solve the problem that would benefit both.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 1, 2019 - 07:33am PT

Welfare: It puts a disincentive on work and you get a population of people who don't want to work and want to work the system. It currently destroys families and the bonds needed to become successful. Just look at what it has done to the black population. Up until the major welfare programs, blacks had families, marriage and employment in much greater percentages.
Destroys families?


Population / Immigration: We are choking the planet to death with an out of control human population. The result is pollution. Nitrates will kill the Oceans and our oxygen supply eventually. Carbon will acidify our oceans and create a blanket in the atmosphere. Get ready for red tides, dead zones, seaweed that piles up on the winward side of land masses, etc. Let people overpopulate an area with limited resources then migrate away to overpopulate somewhere else and you have a big problem. The problem needs to be address where they are migrating away from and why. Address those problems and survive or run from your problems to stave it off a few more years until the next area becomes a problem. Very concerning.
If you are talking about Latin American countries, there is a lot of corruption. many of these governments were installed by the us.


Global Trade: Seems like a lot of our jobs are going away to cheap labor somewhere else. Then we buy these products to a debt on our end. This makes matters even worse. Trade only works when it is even. A barter system where you give me something and I give you something back. As soon as it is out of balance, the one side is taking advantage of the other and debts and job loss will result. Eventually, you have nothing more to give (no products being produced) and nothing more to take (don't have any money since I don't have a job).
It's basically the fault of the american consumer.

TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 1, 2019 - 11:27am PT
Destroys families?
The most devastating by-product of the mushrooming welfare state is the corrosive effect it has on American family life, particularly in the black community. As provisions in welfare laws offered ever-increasing economic incentives for shunning marriage and avoiding the formation of two-parent families, illegitimacy rates rose dramatically.

If you are talking about Latin American countries, there is a lot of corruption. many of these governments were installed by the us.
No. I am talking about too much procreation by humans to the point you use up all the resources in that area and must flee elsewhere. Some areas/individuals tend to procreate a lot more than others. The surging global population is what is killing the planet and causing climate change. It needs to slow down and reverse direction or death to everyone. Immigration is just a symptom of the problem.

It's basically the fault of the american consumer.
I believe Bill Clinton signed NAFTA with Republican support and our government has allowed the unbalanced/one sided trade so the minority can profit at the expense of the little people (both parties). The American consumer will buy whatever is cheapest even if it hurts their neighbor or themselves.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Mar 1, 2019 - 12:55pm PT
Living Wage: There are too many people for all of us to have a good job.

Bull f*#king sh#t

edit: please pardon my French
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 1, 2019 - 01:13pm PT
Gary, if he amended it to “there are too many high school dropouts to merit well paid jobs” would you stop swearing?
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 1, 2019 - 01:51pm PT
You say that you are neither a democrat, or republican. I get the impression that your political views are right of center.

The most devastating by-product of the mushrooming welfare state is the corrosive effect it has on American family life, particularly in the black community. As provisions in welfare laws offered ever-increasing economic incentives for shunning marriage and avoiding the formation of two-parent families, illegitimacy rates rose dramatically.

I hope you know that historically white people have benefited the most from welfare.
seano

Mountain climber
none
Mar 1, 2019 - 02:07pm PT
The "mushrooming welfare state" "destroys families?" Surely there couldn't be a simpler explanation for more unwed births, such as more women being able to support themselves rather than staying in shitty marriages.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Mar 1, 2019 - 03:04pm PT
Gary, if he amended it to “there are too many high school dropouts to merit well paid jobs” would you stop swearing?

Reilly, the whole concept embodied in the phrase "working poor" sickens me. Why someone who works 40 hours per week need government assistance for food, shelter and medicine is unbelievable.

It's capitalism that causes the welfare state.
TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 1, 2019 - 03:51pm PT
Hey Gary look at China and India the two most populous countries. Would you want to live there? If you do, you are a better person than them. Every Chinese and Indian I have met want to get out. Too crowded and too much pollution and not enough to go around.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 1, 2019 - 03:57pm PT
See The Walton Family.

We subsidize their very existence.

Socialism sucks.
TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 1, 2019 - 03:59pm PT
Welfare is a symptom of not having enough decent jobs to go around. Back to too many people crammed into a small space exceeding the resources. The definition of unsustainable is coming back to mind here again.
TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 1, 2019 - 04:07pm PT
Strong family bond with two parents is essential to raising a productive and mentally stable person. I don't know any single parents that do a great job by themselves. You can choose to get sperm and raise the child yourself but it's not going to be the best scanario.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-intelligent-divorce/201301/angry-boys-sometimes-mom-is-not-enough
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 1, 2019 - 04:26pm PT
I don't know any single parents that do a great job by themselves

start with the previous President of the United States and keep counting..
TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 1, 2019 - 04:51pm PT
Ok the GNP of the US is 19 trillion. Divide that by the population of 325 million. That equates to 58,000 per person. Average profit is 12%. That is $7,000 per person every year. That does not seem like enough to go around.
TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 1, 2019 - 04:53pm PT
Am I 15, no. Your name calling without facts shows your intelligence much better.
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 1, 2019 - 05:00pm PT
In TradMike's defense, we've never met, so he would have no way of knowing me.

TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 1, 2019 - 05:32pm PT
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3628145/posts

Here are the stats on kids with one parent. Some parents do a good job on their own but two is best. I am sure some single parents are superstars and rise above but I am sure it is difficult.
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 1, 2019 - 05:47pm PT
Thanks Mike. I'm aware of the facts and it made the split that much harder.

I know you were thinking of other types of people.

It is difficult. Sometimes the dishes sit a bit or the dog hair collects in the corners for a week.

My response was maybe a bit passagro. Great test of my new duck back waterproofing and it did fairly well.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 1, 2019 - 05:47pm PT
tradmike- Strong family bond with two parents is essential to raising a productive and mentally stable person. I don't know any single parents that do a great job by themselves. You can choose to get sperm and raise the child yourself but it's not going to be the best scanario
Hi Mike, My mom left an alcoholic husband and was forced to welfare to feed me and my brother and sister. It's guys like you and your misrepresentations who made me ashamed as a kid when my mom paid for groceries with food stamps- thanks for that! I suppose if she had gone to the local Methodist Church someone like you would have suggested for the kids sake, it's her duty to stay in a dysfunctional and damaging marriage. Fortunately it was the era of Women's Lib and she broke free. She used those food stamps to bridge the gap and went to Real Estate school and became a very successful agent. Meanwhile, my brother served in the Military as a Cobra pilot and is now an airline pilot. I became successful as well, due in part to the bravery of my mom going out on her own with the help of welfare. Ironically I provide dozens of jobs to people who think just like you. I hope you realize how damaging and hurtful your stereotypes are.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 1, 2019 - 06:21pm PT
I was raised in a 2 parent family and didn’t turn out successful. Those stereotypes don’t always hold true .
TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 1, 2019 - 06:29pm PT
My intent is not to stereotype people on welfare nor single parents. Welfare is an essential safety net for exactly someone like yourself. You mom married someone of weak character. It's unfortunate that people sucomb to drugs. They will destroy you in excess. Nobody is perfect and we need to help those people the best we can to rise above. I'm getting at the generational welfare and someone who never gets off of welfare and the fact they can make more money being single and having more kids to make more money. Once you start working the systems the system no longer works. It becomes a bigger monster than what it was there to remedy. There are too many able bodied people not willing to work because welfare will provide a better living. I see it every day. People on welfare refuse to work too many hours because their benefits will end. There are not enough good paying jobs to support the excessive population. You can only get so much out of an area and when the population density exceeds the resources you end up with someone losing. Sorry to offend, I am just passionate about providing the best for everyone and trying to help find a solution so we don't need to pay the piper (bear the consequences of an action or activity that one has enjoyed).
TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 1, 2019 - 06:51pm PT

These are the pipers I am worried about and the current world leaders are taking us to meet them at speed. I thought AOC might have been a savior at first but now I think she is just crazy as the rest. Fusion reactor is our last hope. Maybe AOC could jump on that bandwagon and generate some urgency.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 1, 2019 - 07:13pm PT
tradmike-You mom married someone of weak character.
Actually my Dad served in the US Navy aboard a destroyer during Vietnam. He was simply an alcoholic. He recovered when I was 13 and we became best of buds until the day he died (sober) about 5 years ago. Mike, some people struggle but don't count them out. This vision you have of the all American, two parent family is mostly a myth. Let the idealistic liberals do what they do- we should respect their efforts.
TradMike

Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
Mar 1, 2019 - 09:05pm PT
All name calling and no offer of a solution is all I hear. Out, solve it yourselves I say.. I'll enjoy my last days climbing watching the world burn.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 1, 2019 - 09:52pm PT
There are too many able bodied people not willing to work because welfare will provide a better living

There is some truth to that, but there is also a fact that white people will refuse to do menial labor such as picking crops. That is an undeniable fact.

I don't know any single parents that do a great job by themselves.

I am sure some single parents are superstars and rise above but I am sure it is difficult.

Contradictory statements.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Mar 1, 2019 - 11:05pm PT
Hey Gary look at China and India the two most populous countries.

Two more capitalist shitholes. The truth is that the world is run on capitalist principles and the vast majority of the world lives in squalor.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 1, 2019 - 11:07pm PT
Finland just concluded a two year experiment with a minimum guaranteed income. At the end the losers were still losers. Finland’s unemployment rate is fairly low, at least by Euro standards, but few in the trial got off their couchs and even looked for work.
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Mar 2, 2019 - 12:43am PT
^^^^^
That’s some real Arian Brotherhood sh#t right there, boy.
You also forgot to post a pic of your forehead swastika.
‘The word ‘comming’ only needs one ‘m.’
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 2, 2019 - 06:36am PT
We need more White Baby's right F..ing now!
As evidenced by our recent election, I believe there exists a fatigue of crying white babies like yourself.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 2, 2019 - 07:33am PT
Yep, bushman.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 2, 2019 - 07:36am PT
This discussion is finally getting real.

Lets look at where the real bump in population is comming from

Black Women ( 78% unwed / No father on Birth Certificate)
source

Catholic Women - Mexican, Central/South American (Thanks Pope Whoever you are right now)
Living in Yuma, I bet you are married to a catholic mexican woman.

Musilum Influx - ( See Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan)
Muslim

We need more White Baby's right F..ing now!
sorry, educated white women don't want to have kids anymore.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 2, 2019 - 08:09am PT


I don't know any single parents that do a great job by themselves

you just don't know many people then
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 2, 2019 - 08:37am PT
It takes a village to raise a stoopid American .
WBraun

climber
Mar 2, 2019 - 09:15am PT
We need more smoking white ducks .....

Muahahaha ......
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 2, 2019 - 10:08am PT
sempervirens

climber
Mar 2, 2019 - 10:09am PT
We need more White Baby's right F..ing now!

That's fecking stupid. Racism is illogical and immoral. You've embarrassed and discredited yourself. I hope you're smart enough to realize it.
sempervirens

climber
Mar 2, 2019 - 10:17am PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzPoDCmYmwI

Check out Andrew Yang, currently running for president as a democrat. He addresses universal basic income and several other popular topics.

Maybe he'll get his own thread here. But this AOC thread has some of the same topics he addresses. Yang has some perspective rarely heard here or in popular media.

Let's hear your objective (yeah,... ha, ha) opinions.
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 2, 2019 - 12:12pm PT
The GOP's sophomoric gaslighting is very hard to swallow for anyone with any sense of common decency and critical thinking.

We're really at a point where not dignifying with response is about the only viable reaction that doesn't feed the beast.

I'll just send Bernie another 27 bucks in their honor.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 2, 2019 - 12:26pm PT
tut, trolls be hatin' trolls. Your reaction gives them what they are here for.
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Mar 2, 2019 - 03:59pm PT
kingtut:
We aren't gonna "heal the country" by ignoring racist posts. It begins with standing up to them in every way.
kingtut, to be a credible country healer, you need to start with yourself.
A bit more love and a bit less hate for (deplorable) Americans would help.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 2, 2019 - 05:37pm PT
Whatever you say, tut.

Anybody got any popcorn?
Bushman

climber
The state of quantum flux
Mar 3, 2019 - 07:26pm PT
The world belongs to the young people, they’re the ones who have to live here after we’re gone. We have no other choice but to trust them. Let’s hope we’ve taught them well.

The Reign of Subterfuge

On any given loss of Tuesday’s
we lost another holiday
and day to celebrate exception
to someone more deserving
of a lengthy prison sentence
or exile to a third world shithole

I wouldn’t wish them on any enemy
this criminal branch of government
with their unraveling of democracy
subverted, bought, and compromised
more dangerous than foreign adversaries
with their masses prostrate at their feet

What attracts one to this love of hatred
to greed and disdain for humanity
you can’t rectify it to logic
this mocking of those who’d have our backs
against totalitarianism, racism, sexism, or climate change
this blind faith to outdated causes

Greed and self exceptionalism
a motto for the one percent
easily perceived by those who are watching
mistaken as the road to success
by those left behind and disenfranchised
when will they ever learn

This reign of subterfuge
crafted and all encompassing
entrapping and dimidiating
we stand in judgement of each other
at the hand of a reckless puppet master
who knows nothing of true humility or the light

-bushman
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 4, 2019 - 06:30am PT
#OcasioCortezChildrensBooks seems to be getting some play

One Fish
Two Fish
Give Me Your Fish
I’m the Boss

"The Grinch Who Redistributed Christmas"

"How Your Mommy Could Have Saved The Earth By Not Having You"

“Where the Batshit Crazy Things Are”

“The Taking Tree”

“Alexandria and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Green New Deal”

“Make Way for Ducklings (Across the Border)”

“Green Eggs and Cow Farts”

“Mary Had a Red Dress, She’s Trans”

“How the Grinch Was Just a Socialist”

"Give a mouse a cookie and I'll take 70%"



Happy Monday, folks ;-)
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Mar 4, 2019 - 07:32am PT
No way. 50% or I'm bailing.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/greenpeace-co-founder-tears-into-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-pompous-little-twit

"My pomposity knows no bounds."--Noah Tall
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 4, 2019 - 10:38am PT
Maryland congressman John Delaney

ever heard of this guy? After reading this, he has my vote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/04/presidential-candidate-answer-policy-questions/?utm_term=.722d0f4e6a16
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 4, 2019 - 02:14pm PT
House Democrats open sweeping corruption probe into Trump’s world
The House Judiciary panel is requesting documents from more than 80 people or entities in Trump’s orbit, including his adult sons.

By ANDREW DESIDERIO and DARREN SAMUELSOHN 03/04/2019 11:31 AM EST Updated 03/04/2019 04:33 PM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/04/nadler-trump-investigation-1201488

A key House committee with the power to impeach President Donald Trump kicked off a sweeping new investigation on Monday with document demands from the White House, Trump’s namesake company, charity, transition team, inauguration and 2016 campaign, as well as several longtime associates and the president’s two adult sons.

Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, a New York Democrat, opened his much-anticipated probe with letters to 81 individuals, companies and government entities, seeking a wide range of materials that go to the heart of allegations against the president — including abuses of power, corruption, and obstruction of justice.




Will this have teeth? Or is it just a gesture to get the AOC clan to cool their jets?



In other news:
Rand Paul is on board with the resolution against the NE...and now McConnell says he's there, too....
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Mar 4, 2019 - 02:47pm PT
All the folks that say I don’t like Trump personaly but I support his policies so I’ll defend him are complicit in the debasement of the Republican Party. In 1974 Republicans were honorable enough to throw out Nixon for obstruction of justice. Today’s Republican Party acts like that’s no big deal. When all the truth comes out the Republicans will have poisoned their brand for a generation. Hopefully the never Trumpers like Romney (we will see how he votes on the ridiculous emergency declaration) can salvage what’s left and pull them from the right wingers and restore some honesty and reasonableness. But I’m not holding me breath because I’ve seen how 40% of the country would still vote for the guy.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 4, 2019 - 03:39pm PT
Paul’s decision to sign against the NE will likely give political cover to Senators like Romney who are trying to build their political identity for a future run. Too bad he didn’t have the balls to go first.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 4, 2019 - 03:44pm PT
Priceless, EdwardT!
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 4, 2019 - 06:32pm PT
https://amp.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-asteroid-2018-6
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 4, 2019 - 07:59pm PT
Any male that tries to bully a female with the type of sophomoric insults posted by skippy falls into the category of a spineless coward .
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 5, 2019 - 05:08pm PT
Former officials of the military academy that President Trump attended say that wealthy alumni directed them to retrieve, remove and hide Trump’s academic records. The request came in 2011, they said, immediately after Trump had demanded that then-President Barack Obama release his school records.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/grab-that-record-how-trumps-high-school-transcript-was-hidden/2019/03/05/8815b7b8-3c61-11e9-aaae-69364b2ed137_story.html?utm_term=.6da134ec7f94
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 5, 2019 - 08:09pm PT
^^^^
That’s effin’ funny!
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Mar 6, 2019 - 01:15am PT
AOC and Bernie are too left for me but it’s telling that they want the billionaires to pay more of the taxes needed to support our system and that’s a super terrible thing to some people. But these same people support a lying, racist, con man who got massive tax cuts for the billionaires so we have way more debt that will need to be paid with interest by the middle class. And then these people want to think they have the high ground.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Mar 6, 2019 - 11:38am PT
A fun take on the GND.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism/?fbclid=IwAR2TGprvgNLsF8mZsg5C2RefCLWIodYcE-3YX5RJll2HcXVEKaingFoUnFU

BAd
dirtbag

climber
Mar 6, 2019 - 12:16pm PT
I have mixed feelings about the gnd.

But considering that most conservatives, including individual 1, are either willfully ignorant or outright lying about climate change, they can take their concerns about the gnd, find a corner, and piss all over themselves.
sween345

climber
back east
Mar 6, 2019 - 01:09pm PT

Looks like AOC and her consigliere were running their own "Green New Deal"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/ocasio-cortezs-chief-of-staff-ran-1m-slush-fund-by-diverting-campaign-cash-to-his-own-companies

Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Mar 6, 2019 - 04:05pm PT
thanks for the swiftboat witchhunt sweetRussiaBot.

I'm sure there are 50,000 alt reich plutocrat lemmings searching for dirt on AOC. Unfortunately that's a story about her aide, not her.

On the other hand Donny trumputin is directly in charge of the massive frauds he has been committing for 40 years. Frauds that are 1000 times larger. Try to keep up with reality some time for a change.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 6, 2019 - 04:18pm PT
"Politics is the entertainment arm of the Military Industrial Complex"

AOC will fall into line and do as she's told if they can develop a big enough control file... in time. It's all theater.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 11, 2019 - 03:13pm PT
All of these things sound radical compared to where we are, but where we are is not a good thing. And this idea of, like, 10% better from garbage shouldn't be what we settle for

I keep hearing this comment is being taken out of context. It sure does sound like she's saying life for the average American is just 10% above garbage.... and I'm wondering how the f*ck do you see our current situation just barely above garbage?

Where do places like Syria or Venezuela rate?

Or any of our neighbors to the south?

Or most of Asia?
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Mar 11, 2019 - 07:33pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Mar 11, 2019 - 08:02pm PT
With teeth like those, she should look into getting sponsored by Chicklets.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 11, 2019 - 09:45pm PT
I keep hearing this comment is being taken out of context. It sure does sound like she's saying life for the average American is just 10% above garbage.... and I'm wondering how the f*ck do you see our current situation just barely above garbage?

Where do places like Syria or Venezuela rate?

Or any of our neighbors to the south?

yeah I know, Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee suck.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Mar 11, 2019 - 10:08pm PT
^^^Not states per se- but I would add San Bernandino and Riverside to that list.


You did say "Shithole Counties" didn't you?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 11, 2019 - 10:45pm PT
^^^^
Heh!
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 12, 2019 - 02:25am PT
EdwardT, I'm quite sure you know the answer to your question, but let me explain.

We compare our status not to the poorest in the world, but to our own poverty class. What's more, many look at the wealthy class with envy. That's create a lot of unhappy people, right or wrong.

Moose

So, average America is just marginally better than the poverty class?

That's BS. IMHO

Envy of the wealthy class? When in history has that not been the case? I guess one big difference: today a significant portion of the population believes they are entitled to that wealth. Let's call them entitled brat class.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 12, 2019 - 06:20am PT

AOC is only now beginning to establish a record. Votes etc. I find it telling, that the (D)s are ready to throw all of their existing /pols overboard for the shiny new thing.

Consider the plight of my Mayor, Bill deBlasio, who seeming can't even get on the scoreboard in Iowa. He has a record as an administrator. But what people see, they don't like. They prefer someone with no experience and no record.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 12, 2019 - 06:35am PT
No experience and no record ? You mean like our crooked Donald ?
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 12, 2019 - 07:01am PT
Indeed.

Consider the landscape of the post-Trump Presidency for the (D) President elect on one item just for openers.

The "resistance" has blocked a large number of appointees and Trump has fired yet more officials he doesn't like. So there are a large number of vacant spots for cabinet secretaries, ambassadors etc. Trump has learned to roll with it and has decided he doesn't need them.

So the new President elect is going to have to reverse the momentum or the Federal government will simply need to learn to live without these people. This, in an energized (R) environment that wants revenge and will do to the (D)s as was done to them. We will be paying for all of it.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 12, 2019 - 07:35am PT
Remember that it was moderates who flipped the house. Moderates, who ran in swing/lean Republican districts and won. AOC gets much of the oxygen these days, but there is a more complex story behind dem party power than we are typically seeing. If the party’s leaders drifted entirely to the left, it would be political suicide.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Mar 12, 2019 - 07:40am PT
I guess one big difference: today a significant portion of the population believes they are entitled that wealth. Let's call them entitled brat class.

EdwardT, it's nice to see you finally recognize the 0.1% for what they truly are.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 12, 2019 - 07:53am PT
What is a moderate these days? Five Billion for barriers at the border seemed moderate. Pocket lint for DC. The 2008 Obama immigration position seems moderate. But these days it gets you labeled a fascist.

The (R)s appear to have given up getting any of the political appointee backlog through. They may even be allowing the office real estate etc to get recycled. They only seem to be concerned with Federal judgeships. This administration is going to be felt for a long time.
capseeboy

Social climber
portland, oregon
Mar 12, 2019 - 08:47am PT
The conventional wisdom is that business owners who replace human workers with robots will accumulate wealth — something a left-leaning politician would usually be opposed to.

The means of production belong in the hands of the worker Bots!

EdwardT, it's nice to see you finally recognize the 0.1% for what they truly are.
Burn.

What is a moderate these days? Five Billion for barriers at the border seemed moderate.

Chump change. Just another brick in a wall of diversion.

She is obviously a predator, just look at those teeth honey. OMG what a villain! Unless, of course, your a horse.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
dirtbag

climber
Mar 12, 2019 - 08:50am PT
John: thats a great question and of course, fluid. I don’t consider myself to be a moderate, but I also don’t consider myself close to being in AOC territory. But, I think we can look at the dem party and identify the AOC/sanders (even though he isn’t a dem) wing and a large number of Dems who are closer to what a mushy middle/middle left might look like, who differ from the far left in style and substance, reflecting their swingy/righty constituents. They flipped the house, not AOC.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 12, 2019 - 09:15am PT
They flipped the house, not AOC.

Yes. In fact my Congressperson - Jerry Nadler - ran buses to nearby districts every weekend full of volunteers to flip adjacent and nearby districts. Personally, I don't believe I would react positively to people coming from the big city to tell me how to vote, but that's me. The fact is, districts got flipped all around here.

AOC, is in a safe (D) district. The party feels they own the seat not her. If she jeopardizes their chances in 2020 I think she gets tossed.

I saw this am, the Feds denied funding for some train tunnel here in NY. While I don't know the full particulars, seems obvious NY is losing money while its /pols strut about the national stage with their "resistance" and running for President. Meanwhile, my taxes are going up because I was thrown under the bus so they wouldn't get their hands dirty trying to work out some sort of deal during the tax "reform" negotiations. I'm not happy at all.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 12, 2019 - 09:28am PT
AOC does not represent "The" left, my left or your left. She doesn't help define "The" middle, my middle or your middle.

She certainly does now. She is an elected official with a huge megaphone and following. She is not the only one, but she is a face for the left.

dirtbag

climber
Mar 12, 2019 - 09:33am PT
Meanwhile, my taxes are going up because I was thrown under the bus so they wouldn't get their hands dirty trying to work out some sort of deal during the tax "reform" negotiations. I'm not happy at all.

When was the last time Republicans were interested in working with Dems on anything major?

No, we got a complete crap tax bill not because of some “resistance,” but because the Republican Party has not shown any inclination to work with Dems and are ruled by ideologues. And since they were in the majority, they could muscle through whatever crap bill they wanted to. What amazes me is that they didn’t do even more damage—it wasn’t for lack of trying.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 12, 2019 - 09:43am PT
I think the (R)s would have been delighted to have even the fig leaf of the bill being "bipartisan". Raised the ceiling for local taxes. Even to 20 or 30 thousand.

The President, comes from a mile from my house. The Minority Leader, is my states Senior Senator. The hottest new (D) is from an adjacent district. You would think I would be golden.
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 12, 2019 - 09:54am PT
AOC isn't nearly as big of a deal as the retirees and the media make her out to be.

I don't buy into some of her ideas, but she's headed in a much better direction than the bible thumping trumpies and the sellouts sitting around whining and counting their beans.

I will say this though:

Ppppeople try to put us ddddown!!!!
Hope we thrive before I get oooold......
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Mar 12, 2019 - 10:08am PT
The right hates her because she turns them on, yet doesn't pander to their twisted sense of entitlement and fulfillment.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 12, 2019 - 10:27am PT
I dunno about sexual titillation, but AOC's far left views definitely provide the Right with a useful political cudgel to characterize Dems as being extremists as a whole.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 12, 2019 - 10:57am PT
When was the last time Republicans were interested in working with Dems on anything major?

Like immigration reform?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 12, 2019 - 11:10am PT
The question was 'working with', Edward. Not 'acquiescing to Donald's vanity project'.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 12, 2019 - 12:32pm PT
Trump put up several proposals.

Last winter, path to citizenship for 1.8 million dreamers was on the table.

More recently, he made several offers to cut a deal.

In every case, the Dems essentially said F*CK YOU!

Let's not pretend the Dems are acting in good faith.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 12, 2019 - 12:41pm PT
"The right hates her . . ."


Well, they certainly like to make fun of her. Not seeing a lot of hate, amused dislike, perhaps. But her energy has invigorated politics. Go Girl!
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 12, 2019 - 12:42pm PT
Don't forget it was the chair of the DNC himself, who annointed her as "The Future" of the Democratic Party. Essentially painting the target on her.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 12, 2019 - 01:03pm PT
The GOP's no-compromise pledge

“We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Is it good for the country? Yes, but it would be an Obama success and we can’t have that so the country will just have to suffer. So no jobs bills. While we’re blocking jobs bills we’ll blame Obama for a slow recovery. Brilliant!

The gall exhibited by Republicans was truly staggering. After President Obama was able to get through a stimulus bill with absolutely no GOP support, Republicans would get their pictures taken with stimulus checks, taking credit for the very thing they voted against.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-on-the-night-of-Obama’s-inauguration-leading-republicans-promised-to-obstruct-him-and-make-him-a-one-term-president
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 12, 2019 - 01:26pm PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 12, 2019 - 01:49pm PT
Edward, your cherry picking of recent past is a non-starter.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 12, 2019 - 09:34pm PT
Mighty Hiker: "Isn't it true that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is far more stylish and intelligent than the Trump women?"

Wiki:

AOC: She graduated cum laude from Boston University's College of Arts and Sciences in 2011, majoring in international relations and economics.


Ivanka T: She attended Georgetown University for two years, then transferred to the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, from which she graduated cum laude with a bachelor's degree in economics in 2004.


???

(MH deleted his post)
zBrown

Ice climber
Mar 12, 2019 - 09:49pm PT
Youz guys crack us up




If Donald ever impregnated either of us the baby would look like this
Doesn't matter which

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 14, 2019 - 04:15am PT
apogee

Mar 12, 2019 - 01:49pm PT
Edward, your cherry picking of recent past is a non-starter.

My responses were accurate. Maybe you're just too stupid or partisan to see it.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 14, 2019 - 07:21am PT
Edward, stuff your ad hominems up your a*#. I'll look forward to more intelligent dialogue from you.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Mar 14, 2019 - 07:23am PT
+1 Edward
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 15, 2019 - 07:12am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

This year, the House has been out of session a week in January and February. She just started an eleven day break.

She's got one of the best gigs on the planet... and she's complaining about it.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 15, 2019 - 07:20am PT
....aaaand if she had a nicely outfitted apartment, Republicans would be criticizing her for her hypocritical extravagance.

Yawn.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 15, 2019 - 07:22am PT
Meanwhile....The President got slapped down by the Senate for his NE declaration.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 15, 2019 - 07:29am PT
Centrists fear socialist tag will cost Democrats the House in 2020
The most endangered House Democrats in next year's election are wary of their more outspoken, liberal colleagues.

By LAURA BARRÓN-LÓPEZ 03/15/2019 05:00 AM EDT Updated 03/15/2019 08:36 AM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/15/house-democrats-moderates-2020-aoc-1220643

The moderate Democrats who delivered the House majority want you to know they’re not Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib or Ilhan Omar.

They haven’t all blindly signed on to the "Green New Deal." They haven't been widely accused of anti-Semitism. They aren't hungry to impeach President Donald Trump.

They are the ones on the front lines of the battlefield, defending Democrats’ House majority. And many of the endangered Democrats already see their outspoken colleagues as a potential obstacle standing between them and reelection in 2020.

“As we run up to this presidential [election], we need to show that Democrats, as a whole, are not socialists," said Rep. Katie Hill, who last November flipped a Southern California district that Republicans held for the previous quarter-century. "We’re not pushing for impeachment without serious cause and serious evidence."

With the progressive squad of Ocasio-Cortez, Tlaib, Omar and Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) capturing most of the headlines, the vulnerable Democrats are left to respond in stronger and stronger terms. The four liberals have forced majority-makers like Hill to distinguish themselves with voters and donors early and often.

“You have these four members frankly that were elected from seats that are going to be Democratic no matter what and represent a very small fraction of the party as a whole,” said Hill. “And it’s like they’re the only ones that exist.”
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 15, 2019 - 07:32am PT
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 15, 2019 - 12:44pm PT
Fast and furious investigation lasted 6 years and what was the outcome ? Mueller investigation is at 2 years with the republicans crying foul . Many of Trumps advisors are going to prison making it difficult to believe that Trump Knows nothing and stood by innocently while the sh#t was hitting the fan . Impeach the lying bastard and end this toxic presidency that exists as a front for Trump Inc.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 15, 2019 - 01:09pm PT
Fast and furious investigation lasted 6 years and what was the outcome

Really? From when to when?
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 15, 2019 - 01:25pm PT
2011-2017
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 15, 2019 - 02:58pm PT
Why is it ok to investigate Hillary for unsubstantiated claims, but it's not ok to investigate trump for unsubstantiated claims?
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 15, 2019 - 03:00pm PT
because it is embarrassing to the Trump voters as the claims are proven true?
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Mar 15, 2019 - 04:23pm PT
Norton:
because it is embarrassing to the Trump voters as the claims are proven true?
I am still waiting for investigation of at least one of Clintons' foundations.
Why is Justice Department so shy to do this?
G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Mar 15, 2019 - 04:44pm PT
It's pretty easy to pay for anything you want with the tax revenue of this country. Just cut the defense spending in half, or more. Then there is plenty for everything else.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 15, 2019 - 05:03pm PT
I am still waiting for investigation of at least one of Clintons' foundations.
Why is Justice Department so shy to do this?
Because we are in the midst of an absolute blizzard of corruption perpetrated by a government run by unqualified and dimwitted relatives, right wing media shills, well connected carpetbaggers, and stopgap appointees of dubious character and qualifications- all aided and abetted by complicit, career politicians who have sold out the working citizenry for the promise of access, insider trading deals, lined pockets and a slew of sleezy quid pro quo schemes.

Mordita, not Governance is the new paradigm, made all the easier because enough fools have been brainwashed to ask "what about Hillary?"

Anymore stupid questions?
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 15, 2019 - 05:35pm PT
I am still waiting for investigation of at least one of Clintons' foundations.
Why is Justice Department so shy to do this?

oh now Edward, such a weak attempt to deflect attention away from your boy!

by the way, it was Donald Trump who appoints the head of the Justice Department

and for two full years you had your own Republicans in control of both House, the Senate and the Presidency

so given all that control, gee, why do you suppose no investigations into the Clintons?

think hard on this one Edward, duh......
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 15, 2019 - 05:44pm PT
Actually, was Yury.

Easily confused.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 15, 2019 - 05:53pm PT
Apparently the Facebook Bot routine doesn't fly around here these days....
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 15, 2019 - 06:06pm PT
It is fun to watch ,for some......
zBrown

Ice climber
Mar 15, 2019 - 06:29pm PT

[Click to View YouTube Video]
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 15, 2019 - 07:33pm PT
That was funny , sort of .. What would be funnier , I think , would be Clint , horse whipping the liar in chief on the shores of Lago then booting his corrupt ass out of the US .
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 15, 2019 - 08:42pm PT
Treezypoof

Actually, was Yury.

Easily confused.

Norton does seem to miss the mark with increasing frequency.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 19, 2019 - 10:44am PT
I was wondering what happened to this thread. Polititards been quiet lately.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 19, 2019 - 11:31am PT
Well, that's not stopping President StupidLips from spraying his mouth off.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 19, 2019 - 11:32am PT
Beto. Style over substance? Anyone here interested in this guy? Hello . . .
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 19, 2019 - 11:34am PT
Trump intensifies attacks on McCain: 'I never was a fan of John McCain, and I never will be'
By KATIE GALIOTO 03/19/2019 12:50 PM EDT Updated 03/19/2019 01:35 PM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/19/trump-john-mccain-fan-1227632

President Donald Trump on Tuesday ratcheted up his attacks on the late Sen. John McCain, again lashing out at the former lawmaker for his dramatic thumbs-down vote to repeal Obamacare in 2017.

“I never was a fan of John McCain, and I never will be,” Trump told reporters while sitting next to Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro in the Oval Office.

Trump accused McCain, who died of cancer in August, of changing his vote on the health care law at the last minute without notice. More than a year and a half after McCain cast his legendary vote on the Senate floor, Trump said the move made him "very unhappy."

“Our country would have saved a trillion dollars, and we would have had great health care,” Trump said Tuesday.

The president claimed McCain had campaigned on the promise of replacing Obamacare and still chose to thwart Republican efforts in 2017, a move Trump on Tuesday called "disgraceful."

Trump’s comments come days after the president railed against McCain on Twitter, claiming that he passed along to former FBI Director James Comey an explosive and largely unverified dossier compiled by an ex-British intelligence officer alleging links between Trump and Russia.

Trump also mocked McCain on Twitter for being "last in his class" at the U.S. Naval Academy. The former Navy pilot graduated from the military academy in 1958, finishing near, but not at, the bottom of his class.

Though the Obamacare vote was the peak of the pair's feud, clashes between Trump and McCain date back to the beginning of the former's presidential campaign, fed by a variety of personal and policy disagreements. Trump stirred intense controversy on the campaign trail in July 2015 when he knocked McCain by saying, “He’s not a war hero,” and that, "I like people who weren’t captured.”

McCain spent roughly five-and-half years in a notorious North Vietnamese prison, where he was repeatedly tortured.

Trump was not invited to McCain's funeral last year, and the American flag atop the White House was initially raised to full-staff in the wake of the senator's death — and was returned to half-staff in McCain's honor only after the move garnered criticism from both sides of the aisle.





Somebody better install a urinal on Trump's grave...because there will be a looooong line waiting to piss on it. I'll be fighting to be the first.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 19, 2019 - 11:44am PT
Note to Apogee - Trump is not a member of Congress.

If McCain played a role in handing the Steele Dossier (DNC oppostion research) to the FBI, then Trump is justified in his disparagement of McCain.

----------------------------------------------


About Beto:

DUI wreck
Tried to flee the scene
Irish guy with Mexican nickname - can you say cultural appropriation
And White Male privilege

Minimal success as a politician

And then there's this:


He's the flavor of the month.

Not the new Barack Obama.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 19, 2019 - 11:47am PT
Edward, feel free to re-read my post above, re: the fact that Congress is out of session isn't stopping President StupidLips from spraying his mouth off.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 19, 2019 - 12:08pm PT
Edward, it's arguable as to the validity of McCain's submission of that report, but Trump's disparagement of McCain goes back waaaaaaaaay before this. If ANY Democrat made those kinds of disparaging remarks to a veteran Republican, you and the rest of the GOP would be burning down their house.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 19, 2019 - 12:54pm PT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 19, 2019 - 01:03pm PT
Damn, Beto’s a mouth breather? I had such high hopes!
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 19, 2019 - 01:32pm PT
Trump's disparagement of McCain goes back waaaaaaaaay before this.

I've wondered about that and if I were a journo I would go and try and dig that up. Trump is a petty thin-skinned person but somewhere and at sometime, either McCain said something or they had an encounter.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 19, 2019 - 01:33pm PT


Meanwhile back to the topic, I saw AOCs approval is in negative territory off the Amazon deal. I don't see the path to her not taking a primary challenge.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 19, 2019 - 01:36pm PT
Better "Low IQ Joe" than "creepy Uncle Joe". But he's just too old. The odds of a significant medical event during the campaign are simply too high to risk.
People tried to minimize or cover the HRC 9/11 fall event which seemed even scarier than the actual event.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 19, 2019 - 01:53pm PT
019 - 11:32am PT
Beto. Style over substance? Anyone here interested in this guy? Hello . . .

More like ego over substance. Meh.



Still, probably 1000 times better than Individual 1.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 19, 2019 - 02:12pm PT
*The real reason the Trump administration is constantly losing in court

Federal judges have ruled against the Trump administration at least 63 times over the past two years, an extraordinary record of legal defeat that has stymied large parts of the president’s agenda on the environment, immigration and other matters.

In case after case, judges have rebuked Trump officials for failing to follow the most basic rules of governance for shifting policy, including providing legitimate explanations supported by facts and, where required, public input.


Federal judges have ruled against the Trump administration at least 63 times over the past two years, an extraordinary record of legal defeat that has stymied large parts of the president’s agenda on the environment, immigration and other matters.

In case after case, judges have rebuked Trump officials for failing to follow the most basic rules of governance for shifting policy, including providing legitimate explanations supported by facts and, where required, public input.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-real-reason-president-trump-is-constantly-losing-in-court/2019/03/19/f5ffb056-33a8-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html?utm_term=.368b6d4e27d4

Massive incompetence
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 19, 2019 - 02:18pm PT
Well, McConnell's court packing should fix that.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 19, 2019 - 10:10pm PT
If McCain played a role in handing the Steele Dossier (DNC oppostion research) to the FBI, then Trump is justified in his disparagement of McCain.
So you're ok with talking about the dead?
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Mar 19, 2019 - 10:20pm PT
I don't know how to link it, but Ralph Peters gave an interview on CNN today that just totally, absolutely explains the farce that is our president.

You know, Ralph Peters, the same retired Army officer who once got censored for calling President Obama a "pussy" on air. Yes, a conservative, but a conservative who THINKS.

He just absolutely nails it :)


ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Mar 19, 2019 - 10:52pm PT
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 19, 2019 - 11:06pm PT
Bump for biotch .
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 20, 2019 - 06:03am PT
The Supreme Court handed the Trump administration a win Tuesday, ruling that the federal government can detain immigrants with years-old criminal records indefinitely without a bond hearing.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Mar 20, 2019 - 07:07am PT
Wait. It thought Trump was Hitler. How can the courts keep thwarting his will? Hitler don't take no guff from no wimpy judges. Time for Beer Hall Putsch--except Trump don't drink. Not a fan, BTW, just pointing out stupid analogies.

BAd
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Mar 20, 2019 - 07:10am PT
Oh, I do hate to do this, but we should be honest when people we don't like do the right thing. This will kill the unhinged anti-Trumpers, but he DID sign an important public lands bill with critical components for climbers:

https://www.accessfund.org/news-and-events/news/president-signs-public-lands-bill-wilderness-climbing-protections-written-into-law

I hated Bush W., too, but he did some things I liked.

BAd
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Mar 20, 2019 - 07:19am PT
Well sh#t, Hitler built one badass highway system and single handedly designed the Wehrmacht into the sharpest dressed war crimes outfit known to history.
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Mar 20, 2019 - 07:33am PT
Oh, I do hate to do this, but we should be honest when people we don't like do the right thing. This will kill the unhinged anti-Trumpers, but he DID sign an important public lands bill with critical components for climbers:

It still seems a bit disingenuous, when in the same week he proposes a budget that defunds many of the programs within the land bill.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 20, 2019 - 08:45am PT

dirtbag

climber
Mar 20, 2019 - 08:48am PT
^^^snort!^^^
dirtbag

climber
Mar 20, 2019 - 09:04am PT
It’s nice to see that Individual 1 isn’t losing his shit:

George Conway, often referred to as Mr. Kellyanne Conway by those who know him, is VERY jealous of his wife’s success & angry that I, with her help, didn’t give him the job he so desperately wanted. I barely know him but just take a look, a stone cold LOSER & husband from hell!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 20, 2019
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 20, 2019 - 09:20am PT

With this President, the signal/noise ratio is skewed. You get lost in the noise and the signal will pass you by. For some people, it would probably be better if they simply ignored all of his tweets.
WBraun

climber
Mar 20, 2019 - 09:23am PT
it would probably be better if they simply ignored all of his tweets.

The fools here can't do anything.

Just brainwashed fools period .....
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 20, 2019 - 09:46am PT
Seems foolish to spend your day yelling the same thing into the wind again and again.

Maybe I’m guilty as charged also sometimes.

I guess it takes one to know one.

Quackity quack quack.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 20, 2019 - 09:52am PT
"I hated Bush W., too, but he did some things I liked."

I'd take W over this 'President' just about any day of the week.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 20, 2019 - 09:53am PT
Just brainwashed fools period .....

The crankloons never put things in perspective. They’ve never been to a farm to see how
calm the ducks are in comparison to the stoopid chickens running around. I was at the beach the other day and had a nice chat with a nice duck...

WBraun

climber
Mar 20, 2019 - 10:00am PT
Reilly

Roflmao ...... !!!!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 20, 2019 - 10:01am PT
"we should be honest when people we don't like do the right thing."

It's all about patterns and trends, man...patterns and trends.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Mar 20, 2019 - 10:15am PT
[21:05:00] COOPER: I spoke in the last hour with Strategic Analyst and Author, Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters. Here's what he said about the President's ongoing attacks on Senator McCain.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RALPH PETERS, RETIRED UNITED STATES ARMY LIEUTENANT COLONEL, AUTHOR: John McCain was and in our hearts remains the man Trump could never be, and Trump knows it. It's a classic case of male fears of inadequacy.

I mean it goes along perfectly with his -- his lifelong obsession with having a -- women on his arm that look like teenage boys' fantasies. He wants to show us all how tough he is, but he's not tough.

EDIT:

That's the only bit that's been transcribed so far.

He goes on to describe what a weak and worthless man our president is... in really fun detail.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 20, 2019 - 10:20am PT
Reposted because it's worth watching, and because the link to this was scrubbed somehow:

[Click to View YouTube Video]

mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Mar 20, 2019 - 10:23am PT
Thanks Apogee. That's the clip.

Your computer/technical skills are better than mine....
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 20, 2019 - 10:23am PT
Of course, commentary like that is only preaching to the choir of anti-Trumpers, and it will never, EVER sway his supporters (who are apparently brain injured and morally bereft).

But when you are being gaslighted as a nation, and told things you know are not true over and over by a truly bad person, it's comforting to have someone come forward and confirm that what you are seeing really is wrong.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Mar 20, 2019 - 10:39am PT
^^^

I agree absolutely.

But, I particularly like it when the commenter is a long, long established conservative. Someone who has a well-established history of plain and intelligent talk (I've been following Peters since he wrote for Armed Forces Journal International starting in the early '90s - sometimes I agreed and sometimes not, but his language and his arguments are always clear and often innovative).

I've come to like Max Boot for similar reasons.

I can listen to and talk with real conservatives, those that have stayed true to their values instead of bowing before a "mid-town Mussolini."
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 20, 2019 - 10:49am PT
Lol. Washed up old douchbags. Like hannity and Rivera cracking each other up with the same stupid joke again and again.

Brought to you by the US Forest service and sugar mammas.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 20, 2019 - 10:50am PT
Kellyanne Conway defends Trump after he attacks her husband
'You think he should just take that sitting down?' she says about Trump after George Conway questioned his mental fitness.
By DANIEL LIPPMAN 03/20/2019 12:59 PM EDT

Kellyanne Conway on Wednesday defended President Donald Trump’s attacks on her husband George Conway saying he’s “a counterpuncher” and asserting that the president is free to respond when he’s accused of having a mental illness.

“He left it alone for months out of respect for me,” Conway, a senior Trump aide, told POLITICO in a brief telephone interview. “But you think he shouldn’t respond when somebody, a non-medical professional accuses him of having a mental disorder? You think he should just take that sitting down?”

“Don't play psychiatrist any more than George should be,” she added. “You're not a psychiatrist and he's not, respectfully.”

Conway’s defense of her boss comes as Trump has spent the past two days ripping her husband on Twitter. While the president has generally restrained from attacking George Conway, a longtime conservative lawyer who has repeatedly mocked Trump on Twitter, he broke from that habit on Monday after George Conway claimed he suffered from mental illness.

“George Conway, often referred to as Mr. Kellyanne Conway by those who know him, is VERY jealous of his wife’s success & angry that I, with her help, didn’t give him the job he so desperately wanted,” Trump tweeted Wednesday morning. “I barely know him but just take a look, a stone cold LOSER & husband from hell!”

Trump later on Wednesday took the Twitter feud offline, telling reporters that George Conway is a “whack job” and doing a “tremendous disservice to a wonderful wife.”






Full moon whackery, indeed.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 20, 2019 - 11:56am PT
A shocking Pew Research Center poll last year found that far more people around the world view the United States as a threat than China or Russia.

That perception is a bigger blow to American primacy than any new weapons system that China or Russia could develop.


----Max Boot

I've also grown to like Max. I had the chance to meet him last year, and participate in a UCLA seminar which he gave on his latest book (fascinating).
He spoke widely, though, and his contempt for Trump could not have been clearer.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Mar 20, 2019 - 12:02pm PT
Yes, true conservatives are worth engaging. Bootlickers? Not so much (pun obviously intended).
dirtbag

climber
Mar 20, 2019 - 01:56pm PT
For some people, it would probably be better if they simply ignored all of his tweets

Wouldn’t that be nice?

That would be the case if he was still just a real estate huckster, or a reality tv guy.

The problem is that the president’s words matter greatly, and this tweet (and others) are indicative of a very troubling mental state. So, we have to pay close attention to all of it.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 20, 2019 - 02:36pm PT
Just back from a trip to town & a Fox News fix.

The Fox talking heads & one Democrat were discussing Trump's apparent obsession with, & recent bashing of John McCain.

One of the talking heads said that it was discourteous, but was instantly savaged by another who argued loudly:

As long as liberals say bad things about Ronald Reagan, it's more than fair to criticize John McCain!

The talking heads clucked approval, forgetting that John McCain used to be a Republican icon.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 20, 2019 - 03:33pm PT


The McCain business has the feel of a diversion. They throw red meat out there to distract people. But here's a shocker. Deep down people don't really care for war heroes. I dunno why. Even when I was in the Army. The guy that stepped on a mine was mocked as a klutz.

Probably healthier to let all of it go and watch animal videos. First day of Spring has brought out lots of good ones.

The internet is having fun with this. Statements made with something between each word are not refutable.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 20, 2019 - 03:50pm PT
I’m sure a fair amount of Trump’s bullshit is intended as diversion, but regarding McCain, I think there is some real, genuine animosity there. To my eye, McCain was a LOT more justified in his dislike of Trump.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 20, 2019 - 04:24pm PT
Trump is neither a true Conservative nor a true Republican. He’s a shape-shifting huckster who will put on whatever guise he thinks will get him what he wants.

Republican dislike of McCain merely conveniently dovetails with Trump’s selfish interest. Trump hates McCain because he was much more genuine than he is, and McCain called him out for who he is: a slimy huckster.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 20, 2019 - 08:38pm PT
A long, but interesting—if somewhat depressing—read about the new global struggle between liberalism and emerging illiberalism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2019/03/14/feature/the-strongmen-strike-back/?utm_term=.026184b35fc7

Upshot: illiberalism is gaining ground and has new tools at its disposal.

In the not so distant future, I would not be surprised if political parties here and elsewhere realign along issues of illiberalism and liberalism instead of left and right. The Republican realignment is already far along.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 20, 2019 - 09:51pm PT
Of course, commentary like that is only preaching to the choir of anti-Trumpers, and it will never, EVER sway his supporters

except that the response to trump's talk(He dissed McCain again) at that tank factory was silence, and they are conservative military types.

Kellyanne Conway on Wednesday defended President Donald Trump’s attacks on her husband George Conway

what kind of person would defend their boss over their significant other?
when is the divorce?
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Mar 20, 2019 - 10:10pm PT
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 21, 2019 - 06:29am PT
her obviously incredibly enlightened, fully forward thinking district.


I think all of the /pol is going in this thread because it has survived. Maybe OP was clever here. The naming hasn't attracted the attention of the Moderators.

The consensus locally, appears to be they voted for AOC the person rather than AOC the ideology. She's young and energetic. I watched her campaign during the Summer. She really got out there.
Which reminds me of this. Some 20% of Bernie voters in the Primary voted for Trump. The MsM narrative was that they didn't like Hillary. But maybe they wanted someone angry and energetic.

Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Mar 21, 2019 - 06:47am PT
I think AOC et al. may actually help Trump get re-elected. Worth the read:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/opinions/what-progressives-should-know-about-trump-voters-hanson/index.html?no-st=1553174164

BAd
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 21, 2019 - 07:14am PT

It's difficult to see how they sell Socialism. Given the real time unraveling of the Socialist Paradise to our South.

An update from the Tienditas Bridge that connects Columbia with Venezuela. The Venezualan National Guard has placed dirt filled containers to block aid convoys.

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 21, 2019 - 07:18am PT
Worth the read:

Indeed. Some good points that have been made elsewhere. I live in the darkest of blue, but my sense is, the Covington incident in particular, may have awakened people that don't normally vote. Exactly the kind of people that the pollsters missed in 2016.

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 21, 2019 - 07:37am PT

Thanks Bad.

Plenty of valid reasons for supporting Trump. It's not all about racism and xenophobia.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 21, 2019 - 08:26am PT

*Despite all of the disproved narratives about the “white working class,” it has been repeatedly and conclusively shown that Donald Trump in fact won the White House because of racism and nativism.


New research by University of Kansas sociologists David Smith and Eric Hanley demonstrates how a socially combustible mix of racism and sexism, in combination with anger and bullying, put the United States on a path to authoritarianism.

https://www.alternet.org/2019/03/sociologists-destroy-the-myth-that-uneducated-white-voters-support-trump-because-of-economic-anxiety/
dirtbag

climber
Mar 21, 2019 - 08:36am PT
Largely true, ontheedge,except that I would say that his core group (not everyone, but many or most) understand perfectly well his authoritarian impulses and thinly veiled racism and support it. No one is forcing them to cheer at his rallies when he talks about imposing controls on the media, nor is his characterization of white supremacists as fine people a deal breaker.

Edit: and, it should be a deal breaker for any decent American. No excuses for backing that piece of trash after that travesty. None.



Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Mar 21, 2019 - 08:48am PT
Oh, come on now Norton you know it was all about the US being potentially wiped off the map due to HRC's emails. At least that is what I heard from family and folks in Bako.

Had a great chat with my 85yo uncle last weekend. He was a Fox news fanboy up until around the new year and the shutdown. He has the ability to be affected by humility and I am grateful. He did take little offense to my thanking him for looking objectively at the sitch. It's like all was good until 4-3 months ago. Anyway, he just said that it just doesn't add up if you step back for the Birdseye view. He was a Batt Chief in the fire Dept and was respected in the dept. You can't manage large complex incidents with beliefs, if'n ya know what I mean.
WBraun

climber
Mar 21, 2019 - 08:48am PT
His supporters are too stupid


No, YOU are st00pid.

Trump is the perfect flunky to be controlled by the demented handlers that put him in Office.

The handlers you have no clue who they really are.

His public supporters are NOT his handlers.

You politard clowns are even dumber than Trump and are bunch of st00pid nutcases......
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 21, 2019 - 09:03am PT
Hansen is a total Trump tool

Exactly, and
I don't really give a damn about what republicans think.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 21, 2019 - 09:58am PT
"There are just as many whacknut leftists as there are hardcore psycho Trumpists. And they have more in common than they'd like to admit. (For starters, that they are both ignorant of government workings and politics, and that they both have big f*#king mouths.)"

+1!

Let's find a President who is savvy about government workings and politics, and doesn't have a big f*#king mouth!
dirtbag

climber
Mar 21, 2019 - 10:13am PT
^^^Yeah, and it drives me nuts.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 21, 2019 - 10:14am PT
"I think AOC et al. may actually help Trump get re-elected."


How Trump is on track for a 2020 landslide
Economic models point to a Trump blowout in 2020. But a faltering economy or giant scandal could change everything.
By BEN WHITE and STEVEN SHEPARD 03/21/2019 05:02 AM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/21/trump-economy-election-1230495

President Donald Trump has a low approval rating. He is engaging in bitter Twitter wars and facing metastasizing investigations.

But if the election were held today, he’d likely ride to a second term in a huge landslide, according to multiple economic models with strong track records of picking presidential winners and losses.

Credit a strong U.S. economy featuring low unemployment, rising wages and low gas prices — along with the historic advantage held by incumbent presidents.

While Trump appears to be in a much stronger position than his approval rating and conventional Beltway wisdom might suggest, he also could wind up in trouble if the economy slows markedly between now and next fall, as many analysts predict it will.

And other legal bombshells could explode the current scenario. Trump’s party managed to lose the House in 2018 despite a strong economy. So the models could wind up wrong this time around.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Mar 21, 2019 - 10:18am PT

...according to multiple economic models with strong track records

Track records only work with "normal."

He's not normal (and not in a good way).
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 21, 2019 - 11:27am PT
^^^
Yeah.

Can someone please explain how that can be the case?
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Mar 21, 2019 - 11:34am PT
Yep, Apogee, crazy. Trump is the classic loose canon. Such a freak.

BAd
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 21, 2019 - 12:54pm PT
Most in the GOP are self serving cowards and hypocrites, just like their new messiah.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 21, 2019 - 01:00pm PT
A canon is a contrapuntal (counterpoint-based) compositional technique.

This is a cannon...

yer welcome
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 21, 2019 - 01:29pm PT
If what you are describing is moral dissonance, then yeah, I suppose that partially explains it.



Where is the tipping point where the middle of the road voting Republican will say, 'that's enough of this guy'?

Is there such a tipping point?
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 21, 2019 - 01:31pm PT

Dingus pretty much nails it. Kerry, McCain, Gore, Dole. All veterans that lost.
As far as Viet Nam goes, guys my age (70) are either draft dodgers or baby killers. Simply no middle ground. People are more comfortable with the draft dodgers.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 21, 2019 - 01:39pm PT
A draft dodger like tRump slagging a dead veteran is pretty low.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 21, 2019 - 01:43pm PT
Moose, Trump's dislike of McCain is much deeper than the issue of McCain's support of wars. Trump doesn't have a moral locus from which to be offended by such things, like you or I do.

Trump doesn't like McCain for very deep, base-level psychologic reasons: McCain stood up as a man in a way that Trump never could do, and that threatens Trump's very identity. That kind of threat tends to result in irrational lashing out from narcissistic personality disorders.

This said, I'm with you in respect to disagreeing with McCain's hawkish tendencies.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 21, 2019 - 01:54pm PT
Fair enough Moose, I don't consider him a hero, but a principled man that I don't agree with. tRump picking on McCain after he has been dead for 7 months is just another example of how small, weak and insecure he is as man.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 21, 2019 - 01:57pm PT
Mccain ain't dead... He's in Kissinger's basement with the rest of the unholy evil Sith undead.

Back to the regularly scheduled "Orange Man Bad!" thread.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Mar 21, 2019 - 01:58pm PT
@Apogee: Is there a tipping point for dems? Trump won quite a few who traditionally voted dem. I don't see anything Trump has done that's different from what he's always been. Too many commentators here forget that come election day, it's a binary choice--warts and all. If one candidate seems to support more of your issues/points of view than the other, that one wins. The continual demonizing of Trump voters serves to--understandably--redouble their commitment. I see the broad brush attacks--Trump voters are all racist morons!--and I think: Wow, folks who say this really want to see him re-elected. I know some Trump voters, and they aren't racists, and they're not stupid. On election day they had two choices, and one was more aligned--even if poorly--with their beliefs than the other. Of course, there are plenty of hard lefts and rights who vote for whomever gets propped up there, and there's no swaying them. It's the mushy middle that needs attention. You want a dem in office? Start respecting the concerns of half the population and avoid coming out as a socialist--one of the least favorite qualities. From a recent NBC News/WSJ poll:

An NBC News/Wall Street Journal public opinion survey tested 11 different presidential characteristics among registered voters nationwide. The most widely accepted – being an African American (87 percent said they were "enthusiastic" or "comfortable" with that characteristic), a white man (86 percent), a woman (84 percent), and gay or lesbian (68 percent).

The least popular characteristics? Being over the age of 75 (37 percent) and a socialist (25 percent).

Sanders – at 77 – is the oldest declared or potential presidential candidate in the 2020 field. And he’s been repeatedly labeled by Republicans as a socialist.

I think Bernie is way more socialisty than he would like the American public to believe. He's been a big fan of Hugo Chavez, for example. Anyway, this is going to be a VERY interesting election. The outrageous size of the dem field will require some prodigious in-fighting and back stabbing to cut it down to size. Should be juicy.

BAd
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 21, 2019 - 01:59pm PT
McCain hated Putin.

Pretty much says it all.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 21, 2019 - 02:51pm PT

The Bernie Bros are going to be a problem. I was saying in 2016 the Ds should throw him overboard. Your periodic reminder he is an Independent. He is not a D.

Imagine the optics of him campaigning with AOC Omar and Tlaib. If you are in a mindset that you want to be all the way Left you will need to support that ticket.

MTA I was surprised as well. When Warren entered I assumed she and Bernie had worked it out and she would be his proxy.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 21, 2019 - 02:56pm PT
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who does active service in our military is a hero...let alone someone who is captured, kept in a POW camp for 6 years, and subjected to physical torture that leaves you permanently, physically damaged.

McCain's actions in public service are another matter, altogether. Still, as stahlbro said, he was a principled man who I often disagreed with his actions.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 21, 2019 - 02:58pm PT


It's crazy that it is sucking all of the O2 from the other issues like the Golan Heights recognition.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 21, 2019 - 03:11pm PT
Fair enough Moose, tRump picking on McCain after he has been dead for 7 months is just another example of how small, weak and insecure he is as man.


I agree. It's not about politics, it's about pettiness.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 21, 2019 - 03:29pm PT
So where do you put Trump on that spectrum, Moose?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 21, 2019 - 03:32pm PT
I see the value of having strong leftward views and voices, as long as everyone operates from the same bottom reality of the 'binary system' that we are saddled with. When it comes down to the vote, staying home and pouting because your extreme left candidate isn't on the ballot is being simply childish.

Edit
And a candidate that carries a significant amount of the far left planks in their platform is a recipe for complete failure.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 21, 2019 - 03:49pm PT
If you believe this, it looks like trump is a one termer
Granted, things change, but. . . . . .

I am not one of those that think the state of the economy is a major factor.
One's economic standing is determined by personal decisions, imo.
I stayed employed during the downturn some ten years ago, as well as the downturn in the early nineties.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 21, 2019 - 04:48pm PT
Plenty of valid reasons for supporting Trump. It's not all about racism and xenophobia.


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 21, 2019 - 06:11pm PT
Colonel von Hectic . The guy with the biggest and best words .
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 21, 2019 - 06:46pm PT
I am not one of those that think the state of the economy is a major factor.

agreed

on election day 2008 the Republican economy was losing 500,000 jobs a month,
we were in the worst recession since the 1930's and the stock market fell 50%
and the worst foreign policy mistake in US history, the Iraq invasion sold on a lie.....

yet some 60,000 million people voted for the Republican candidate anyway
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Mar 21, 2019 - 06:48pm PT
yet some 60,000 million people voted for the Republican candidate anyway

Norton didn't get the update that we aren't supposed to speak ill of John McCain. He was a war hero.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 21, 2019 - 06:59pm PT
Sure, there have been exceptions, but as a general matter of fact, a generally positive economy has favored the incumbent.

This incumbent, however, is so far out of the box, almost anything could still happen. His propensity for yakking could sink him, as could any number of scandals or investigations...an opponent with reasonable likability could take him down, even with a good economy. That would be sweet justice.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 21, 2019 - 07:05pm PT
Trump forecasted 5% gdp it’s only around 2 yet people still believe everything the genius tweets .
dirtbag

climber
Mar 21, 2019 - 08:51pm PT
He’s (deservedly) hated to a degree I’ve never before seen, and is down to his base for support. Hatred is a great motivator for voters in opposition.

He has no margin for error.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 21, 2019 - 08:56pm PT
RJ! Per your post:

Trump forecasted 5% gdp it’s only around 2 yet people still believe everything the genius tweets .


RJ: Most Trump supporters don't do advanced math, like them tricky & hard to figure % things.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 21, 2019 - 08:57pm PT
All that’s needed is a reasonable alternative.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 21, 2019 - 09:28pm PT
So trump says that the Golan Heights are now part of Israel.
Was this done to help Netanyoohoo?
was it done to help trump?
Was it done to get back at Congress woman Omar?

Note: Jews inherently have voted for the democratic candidate 80% of the time. Republicans are wanting to cut into that.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 21, 2019 - 10:35pm PT
Fritz...per your post . Most of Trump’s base are English lit majors thus the low math IQ .
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 22, 2019 - 07:17am PT
Was it done to get back at Congress woman Omar?

Probably not this. The population there is Druze and Alawites. Nonetheless, very strange. It occurs on the same day the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) finishes ISIS and is free to do something else. I don't get it. That said, overthinking something isn't what this administration does.

Meanwhile there is this. Monday, the Senate will take up a new justice for the Ninth. Guessing conservative. The (R)s have learned to operate under the cover of the smoke provided by the WH.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/calendars.htm


Floor Schedule

Monday, Mar 25, 2019

3:00 p.m.: Convene and proceed to executive session to resume consideration of Bridget S. Bade to be United States Circuit Judge for the Ninth Circuit



EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 23, 2019 - 07:00am PT
Whaddya know.... Trump was right all along.

NO COLLUSION!

The witch hunt is ovah. LOL

You guys have salivating over a different conclusion ever since the "Trump colluded" narrative began.

Shades of Alice's Restaurant

A typical case of American blind justice.

And let's quit pretending this wasn't a big deal.

Speaker of the House, Chairman of the Hhouse Intelligence Committee and a former CIA Director all claimed there was evidence of Trump conspiring with the Russians.

In the end, it was all a lie.

A witch hunt.

A big ol' nothingburger.




Hey Norton - The House can impeach Trump. Get your facts straight, old man.

Edit - for the old man. The House handles impeachments. They have the authority and (more than likely) the votes. The Senate is not involved in the process.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 23, 2019 - 07:08am PT
So now you're a Trump fan, eh, Edward?
capseeboy

Social climber
portland, oregon
Mar 23, 2019 - 07:48am PT
Lets see here.

6 million = 6,000,000.
60 million = 60,000,000.
600 million = 600,000,000.
60,000 million = 60,000,000,000 = 60 billion?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 23, 2019 - 07:48am PT
It's pretty telling that, though the findings of the report haven't even been released yet, Republicans are already spinning it in the way they want the message to be heard: 'Trump was right! No collusion!'

Republicans are sooooo hungry to have be able to justify their decision to put this guy into office, that they will delude themselves with any kind of spin or misinformation that comes their way.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 23, 2019 - 07:58am PT


It's pretty telling that, though the findings of the report haven't even been released yet,

Indeed. Should wait and see before screaming victory.
But this is telling as well. The Left is downplaying it too.

Then...

Many tweets like so

and now...


Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 23, 2019 - 08:01am PT
Hey Norton - The House can impeach Trump

duh......Edward just figured this out

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 23, 2019 - 08:03am PT


Meanwhile my states Jr senator is having a rally tomorrow not far away. I'm not a fan but it would be interesting to see who shows up. My Mayor sure looks like he is running as well. I don't think doing it in front of one of Trumps Hotels is a good idea but we shall see.

https://www.westsiderag.com/2019/03/23/senator-gillibrand-to-kick-off-presidential-campaign-on-uws-on-sunday-parking-restrictions-in-effect

Senator Kirsten Gillibrand will give a speech in front of Trump International Hotel on Sunday afternoon to kick off her campaign for president.

“Gates open” at 11 a.m., and the rally starts at noon, according to NYPD. According to C-Span, the event will be live at 12:30 p.m.

The hotel is on Central Park West between 60th and 61st Streets.

Gillibrand, a Democrat from New York, just released a video called Brave Wins explaining why she’s running.

dirtbag

climber
Mar 23, 2019 - 10:01am PT
It sure sounds like a lot of people here have had a chance to read the report before congress and the public see it.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 23, 2019 - 10:13am PT
Yeah ... last week individual #1 was braying like a donkey trying to squelch the Mueller report and now he’s all for transparency . Does he suddenly know something we don’t ?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 23, 2019 - 10:14am PT
People believe what they want to believe. Facts are not necessary...in fact, they oftentimes just get in the way of what they want to believe.
WBraun

climber
Mar 23, 2019 - 10:17am PT
You don't have any facts.

All your sources are full of sh!t and brainwashing to keep you busy remaining clueless and st00pid ....
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 23, 2019 - 10:36am PT
Wisdom is going all in before even seeing your hand now I guess.

I, for one, have never predicted what the investigation would find regarding "collusion".

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Mar 23, 2019 - 11:03am PT
It's now 22 hours since DT has posted a tweet. I'm not sure, but this may be the longest he has gone without a tweet since becoming 45*.

That seems a little strange, considering that he would have been exonerated, if we were to believe he was being wrongly, illegally, witch-huntedly, harassed with this whole Collusion thing.

Did anyone read the letter from Barr to Congress, confirming receipt of the report? There is a sentence, well two actually in it, that seem, to me, to be the Tell:
In addition to this notification, the Special Counsel regulations require that I provide you with “a description and explanation of instances (if any) in which the Attorney General” or acting Attorney General “concluded that a proposed action by a Special Counsel was so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued.” 28 C.F.R. 600.9(a)(3). There were no such instances during the Special Counsel’s investigation.

Also, remember that Mueller isn't there to prosecute, just to do the investigation. Which is now concluded. And that the investigation legally covered other things discovered while investigating the Russian Interference. Since I am pretty firmly believing he has done all that and more, I say, with at least a little glee, Let the prosecutions begin.....

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 23, 2019 - 11:53am PT

Mar 23, 2019 - 08:01am PT
Hey Norton - The House can impeach Trump

duh......Edward just figured this out

Wow! You must be getting senile.

On more than one occasion, you claimed a 2/3rds vote in the Senate was needed for an impeachment.

Norton

climber
The Wastelands

Mar 22, 2019 - 05:13pm PT

impeachment requiring a 2/3 vote in the Republican majority Senate

Norton

climber
The Wastelands

Jan 29, 2019 - 02:07pm PT
I am convinced Donald will not be running for another term as President.

If the election were held right now he would lose in a landslide to virtually any Democrat, so much under water is his polling.

And it is only going to get worse as more and more indictments, prison sentences,
and Mueller's report comes out.

Needing 67 votes in the Senate to impeach, that is not going to happen.

Just trying to help you out, sport.

Don't forget to take all of your meds.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 23, 2019 - 12:00pm PT
It sure sounds like a lot of people here have had a chance to read the report before congress and the public see it.

Don't know if we'll ever see anything more than the principal conclusions.

But, what's a pretty safe bet is Mueller did not recommend any additional indictments.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 23, 2019 - 12:06pm PT
yes Edward

retake your high school civics class

2/3 of both the House and Senate votes are required to impeach+ remove

and if you use the 25th then 3/4 of Donald's own handpicked Cabinet must first vote to remove him from office

but first understand that "impeach" simply means to bring charges

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 23, 2019 - 04:34pm PT
Norton

climber
The Wastelands

Mar 23, 2019 - 12:06pm PT
yes Edward

retake your high school civics class

2/3 of both the House and Senate votes are required to impeach+ remove

Moving the goalposts and still wrong.

<chortle>
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 23, 2019 - 08:59pm PT
Skip...once you get past civics I suggest you take French Couplings and nude drawing to broaden your horizons.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Mar 24, 2019 - 12:33am PT
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 24, 2019 - 12:11pm PT
Biden/Abrams ???

What do you think?
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 24, 2019 - 12:28pm PT
Biden/Harris
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 24, 2019 - 01:03pm PT
Haley / Sasse
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 24, 2019 - 01:06pm PT
An old, rich, white guy paired with a smart black woman is still an old, rich, white guy.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 24, 2019 - 01:12pm PT
Haley/Sasse?

I thought you were a Trump fan now, Edward....?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 24, 2019 - 01:12pm PT
So difficult to keep up with all this.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 24, 2019 - 01:13pm PT
Mueller finds no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion
The attorney general said Mueller did not take a clear position on whether the president obstructed justice.
By DARREN SAMUELSOHN and JOSH GERSTEIN 03/24/2019 03:12 PM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/24/breaking-news-barr-to-release-summary-of-mueller-report-1233771

UPDATE
Robert Mueller’s long-awaited Russia report does not take a clear position on whether President Donald Trump obstructed justice, according to a four-page summary of the special counsel’s findings released Sunday by Attorney General William Barr.

“For each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leave unresolved what the special counsel views as ‘difficult issues’ of law and fact concerning whether the President’s actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction,” Barr wrote.

“The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,’” Barr added. However, in an apparent departure from the four corners of Mueller’s report, Barr says he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein “have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel’s investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.”

Also, Robert Mueller said he did not find adequate evidence to show that officials with Donald Trump's presidential campaign aided Russian attempts to interfere with the 2016 election.

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities," Mueller wrote in the findings released Sunday by the Justice Department.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 24, 2019 - 01:14pm PT
Biden/Harris

While qualified, Abrams needs some experience in national politics, which Harris has.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 24, 2019 - 01:26pm PT

Biden/Harris is about their best shot. Harris has a lot of .gov experience at big blue state level. The last thing the (D)s need to do is throw even more people who fit a profile but have zero experience and soon become a laughingstock.

Better to groom them in cabinet jobs for starters.

Meanwhile what do the (D)s do now? More and more they are looking authoritarian trying to take over the .gov by any means then dictate policy. Better they accept Trump will be there less than two years and work on the best ticket. Some policy compromises would help them as well. They should accept they are not a lock.

Otherwise.. The good news is we have moved to the second row.

Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 24, 2019 - 01:35pm PT
Ok, wow, so a guy running for President did not consciously work with the Russians

however, the Russians tried their hardest to get Trump elected President

clearly they felt he could be manipulated to act in the Russian's best interests
=

Mueller was charged with only investigating a Trump team/Russian collusion
=

Next up to bat - obstruction of justice, campaign finance law, SD of New York

Donald better hope he wins reelection to avoid criminal charge indictments......
or he could have have Bubba and Leroy as cellmates
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 24, 2019 - 02:09pm PT
Don’t fret... They didn’t nab OJ the first time around ..
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Mar 24, 2019 - 02:29pm PT
So tRump is an unwitting Russian stooge. That is better, I guess...
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 24, 2019 - 02:32pm PT
I’m honestly glad that’s over.

Provable crimes of conspiracy and obstruction aside, it’s all plain as the new day as far as an inappropriate relationship with Russia regarding the potential Trump tower and the daily barrage of obstruction live on TV.

Now Trump has no distractions in trying to defend his shady and downright illegal business practices, campaign finance shenanigans, and charitable organization abuses.

Also glad Manafort, Stone, etc are being exposed and prosecuted.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 24, 2019 - 02:48pm PT
*Barr quotes the Special Counsel as saying “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 24, 2019 - 02:51pm PT
I'd say this is pretty damn far from being 'over'.

The question of collusion is going to continue to be pushed- this is Barr's summary of Mueller's report, and there's no way Democrats are going to leave it at that.

The question of obstruction is still very much alive- Mueller didn't point out clear evidence, but he didn't exonerate Trump, either. More fodder for Dems to pursue.

And the Southern District of NY is going to have a LOT to do with the findings of this report- Trump's shady financial dealings are going to get a big fat spotlight put on them.

Mueller has done exactly what our justice system expects to be done- investigate issues that have ample reason to investigate, do it thoroughly and responsibly.

It's understandable to be tired of this whole process- it's been going on a long time- and those with political interests in this president, or ideologic alignment with his Party, would much prefer to see it over for good. But this is only the end of a major stage in the process....much more is to come.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 24, 2019 - 03:30pm PT
All according to Barr’s opinion of Muellers report.


Ltfol.


Testify ,new word of the week.https://www.thenation.com/article/john-nichols-release-the-mueller-report-immediately/
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Mar 24, 2019 - 08:44pm PT
Oh poo!

Two years of intensive investigation by Torquemada and all we have to show for it is the revelation that multi-millionaire real estate guys have shady business practices. Woo Hoo.

Been watching the news feeds all weekend with the Democrats and their Pundits wee-weeing down their legs that Trump gets to stay President.

So sad, Hillary really did lose after all.
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 24, 2019 - 08:49pm PT
“Been watching the news feeds all weekend....”

Sounds like you’ve arrived. What a gas.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Mar 24, 2019 - 08:51pm PT
^^^^Nah bro - been a news junky since the Huntley Brinkley days.

WBraun

climber
Mar 24, 2019 - 08:54pm PT
You brainwashed clowns really deserve the nutcase label ......
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Mar 24, 2019 - 09:00pm PT
I like pecans.

Fresh walnuts are good too.

Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 24, 2019 - 09:03pm PT
Let’s gofundme Werner a new record.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Mar 24, 2019 - 09:14pm PT
Sounds like a route name.

We've got Werner's Ant Tree, and now, Werner's Nut Cases. Sign me up!

(We love you Werner, never change.)
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 24, 2019 - 09:18pm PT
Pretty sure he's not going to at this point. lol
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Mar 24, 2019 - 09:22pm PT
Biggest click-bait story ever for the news outlets. What's next? They need those ad placements. Maybe things will quiet down and Fox will get back to more soft porn.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 25, 2019 - 06:42am PT
there's no way Democrats are going to leave it at that.

It appears like that doesn't it? I saw some Blue State (D)s this am talking big.

After the 2016 election, I thought the (D)s should go for new leadership. But I am glad Nancy is there now. It will take an experienced leader to see the trap yawning before them. Where they waste another 2 years playing rope-a-dope with this President.

Then they go for election next year trying to run on a record of failure to get rid of Trump. At that point, even some people who detest Trump, will vote with their wallets. Hold their noses and vote a straight (R) ticket.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 25, 2019 - 08:06am PT
It’s not a flop , yet ! Trump could still pardon all his rats doing prison time . More circus acts .
dirtbag

climber
Mar 25, 2019 - 08:09am PT
It’s still too early to conclude much, except that no one else will be prosecuted.

Let’s see the report!
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Mar 25, 2019 - 08:17am PT
^^^

No one else will be prosecuted by Mueller.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 25, 2019 - 08:18am PT
Trump’s attorney , Jay Seukolow , doesn’t want Trump’s written interview with Mueller released .
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 25, 2019 - 08:27am PT
I think there's a strong tie between flat earth people and ones who think Trump is a devious Russian agent...

They're fun to play with though...
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 25, 2019 - 08:36am PT
You should go whoop it up over at Ricky'’s place.

Probably don't even need to wear pants. lol
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 25, 2019 - 08:37am PT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired

Sep 19, 2018 - 08:14am PT

Kavanaugh will be confirmed.

Cruz will be re-elected.

The Repubs will maintain control of the Senate.

Trump will survive the Mueller investigation

And the haters will continue with their constant, vocal, frothing whinery.

Five for five.

Not too bad.

Those were all pretty much no-brainers.

Time for a less sure thing, if Trump is on the ticket in 2020, he will win re-election. It won't be due to the quality of his first term leadership or his overall popularity. It'll be due to American's being fed up with the Dem's "get Trump at all costs" mentality and their shift to the far left (read: La La Land).
dirtbag

climber
Mar 25, 2019 - 08:40am PT
Well, Republicans “get hillary at all costs” strategy seems to have worked out just fine.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 25, 2019 - 08:52am PT
Interesting to see the reactions of several 'independents' here who clearly aren't Trump fans, but with Mueller's report barely even out of the gate (that no-one has read except the A/G), they've concluded that it was all a waste of time, and they are going to vote for Trump in 2020.

Bizarre.
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 25, 2019 - 09:00am PT
And they like to accuse the “left” of being “rabid”

Pretty sure there’s a word for that......


Projection
WBraun

climber
Mar 25, 2019 - 09:33am PT
The same people who own and run all your mainstream media are also the ones who colluded to bring Trump as POTUS.

Russia was framed and smeared to hide all the criminals in the US media and the bought and paid for criminals in DC.

Your very own US puppet criminals in DC are responsible.

Russia had nothing to do with your st00pid brainwashed election ideas .....
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 25, 2019 - 09:37am PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 25, 2019 - 08:52am PT
Interesting to see the reactions of several 'independents' here who clearly aren't Trump fans, but with Mueller's report barely even out of the gate (that no-one has read except the A/G), they've concluded that it was all a waste of time, and they are going to vote for Trump in 2020.

Bizarre.

Independents who now say they are going to vote for Trump in 2020?

Like who? (or is it whom?)

Please provide quotes.
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 25, 2019 - 09:39am PT
Um,,,, Sloaper?


Unless he was being facetious
Treezypoof

Trad climber
Cyberia
Mar 25, 2019 - 09:52am PT
Whoa........


I’ll leave you guys alone till fall

Have fun!
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Mar 25, 2019 - 09:59am PT
OJ was vindicated too, he still went to jail.
Sula

Trad climber
Pennsylvania
Mar 25, 2019 - 01:23pm PT
OJ was vindicated too ...
Note that "found not guilty" is not the same as "vindicated".
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 25, 2019 - 01:33pm PT
Mueller Just Gave Democrats a Gift. Will They Take It?
Scandal and impeachment were always political losers. Now the 2020 election can be about which party will improve the lives of more Americans.
By BILL SCHER March 25, 2019
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/25/mueller-report-democrats-226168

(Excerpts)


Trump is not going to be impeached. Trump is not going be hounded out of office early. Trump is not going to be branded a criminal in the court of the public opinion. The hope of short-circuiting the Trump presidency through legal channels is no more.

For the special counsel to have avoided any collusion-related charges is a clear victory for Trump. The coming victory laps are sure to be insufferable for Democrats to watch, but Democrats need to get over it.

By not alleging any illegal collusion, Mueller has liberated Democrats from chasing the impeachment unicorn, which was always a political loser and a substantive dead end. If the Democratic House ever impeached, the Republican Senate was never going to convict, and may not have even held a trial. Impeachment had appeal only to the Democratic base, while doing little for the voters in swing areas who just delivered Democrats the House majority and hold the key to retaking the White House.


His job approval has been underwater from the beginning of his presidency, and has remained so despite the growing economy. Democrats successfully ran against Trump’s health care and tax policies in 2018. Trump’s fondness for dictators, and white nationalists’ fondness for Trump, continues to disturb. Trump’s trade war is unnerving farm states. Democrats have plenty to say about Trump’s white whale of a border wall and his horrific policy of refugee child separation, and they are eager to challenge Trump on climate change. This is a target-rich issues environment for Democrats. They don’t need an indictment or an impeachment to make their case against Trump.


Today, Trump barely has a legislative agenda. In turn, Democrats have the opportunity to further the narrative that Trump is a threat to sustainable economic growth, middle-class prosperity and global stability. It won’t matter if Mueller had evidence of obstruction of justice. It won’t matter if the Southern District of New York finds campaign finance violations. It won’t matter if Trump’s inauguration committee took illegal payments or if the Trump Organization lied about its assets to Deutsche Bank.

Many voters won’t care that Trump is a grifter if they believe Trump has made their own lives better. The Democratic challenge is to show that he hasn’t. Thanks to Mueller, Democrats are a better position to do just that. Time to let it go.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 25, 2019 - 01:44pm PT
The funniest thing is Trump has to be the squeakiest clean Billionaire on the planet... I mean how many rich people over 70 could stand up to that kind of scrutiny for 2+ years of apparently no-holds-barred inquiry?

Imagine also if you were under that kind of spotlight and everyone you ever knew or did business with apparently is also free game for whatever transgressions they might have made in their lifetimes? Imagine if they could be grilled for things completely unrelated to the original "Russia is bad" premise.

Crazy stuff!



wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 25, 2019 - 02:22pm PT
Imagine ,a President or any citizen ,who’s organization has had over 100 meetings with Russian nationals,some clearly dealt with this past election,One would have to be squeaky clean.

Or ,maybe hiring pornstars. Same.

Just appoint someone to deny that.

Imagine if we were talking about Obama.
WBraun

climber
Mar 25, 2019 - 02:43pm PT
Obama was big big criminal too.

You brainwashed idiots will never learn .....
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 25, 2019 - 02:44pm PT
Reminder, the Mueller investigation was charged only with determining if there was a link, collusion, between the Russians and the Trump campaign team.

The summary we have says no collusion but also says possible obstruction of justice

There are two more major players, the investigative committees in congress, and the Southern District of New York who will determine and make public any civil and criminal findings as regards the President's behavior both before and after becoming President.

We already know that the President has committed two confirmed Felonies, both in violation of Campaign Ethics and Finance laws by paying off two women he had sex with in order to keep them quiet to they did not talk and thereby negatively influence voters.

Stay tuned, very probably more Felony findings to come....

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 25, 2019 - 02:57pm PT
And don’t forget the most recent charge filed against Trump by Stormy Daniels , assault with a dead weapon .
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 25, 2019 - 03:36pm PT
With a / no conclusion after such a denigrating investigation ,I am starting to believe you Werner.

Forgive my idiocy and I need a wash of my brain.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 25, 2019 - 04:17pm PT
"assault with a dead weapon. "


That's better than a live weapon, I suppose.

dirtbag

climber
Mar 25, 2019 - 04:39pm PT
One thing to keep in mind is that prior to becoming ag, and writing the letter supposedly summarizing the mueller report, Barr was openly very critical of the investigation and wrote that a president is incapable of obstructing justice.

We need to see the full report.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 25, 2019 - 04:43pm PT
You have to remember that we are taking the word of a guy,that was placed because the guy before him ,who was appointed by the same guy,recused himself of being able to say what the current guy could say.

All because the appointer had fired the guy that wanted to investigate him,then fired his replacement,all to make room for the guy that would defend him.

Your right, no problem there.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 25, 2019 - 04:51pm PT
John Dean commented that Nixon would not have resigned if Barr had been his AG . This is what is known as lowering the Barr .
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 25, 2019 - 05:30pm PT
Norton

climber
The Wastelands

Mar 25, 2019 - 02:44pm PT
Reminder, the Mueller investigation was charged only with determining if there was a link, collusion, between the Russians and the Trump campaign team.

So all those Americans prosecuted by Mueller's team were charged with collusion/conspiracy crimes?

Props for consistency.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Mar 25, 2019 - 05:36pm PT
In other news, he just secured his win in 2020.

I predict his taxes go public sometime around 10/20 - with great expectation and contrived controversy - to the extent that pornhub sees about a 10 hour decrease in traffic.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 25, 2019 - 06:05pm PT
He is going to be a great President for a couple years.

Wait and see.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 25, 2019 - 06:06pm PT
.....to the extent that pornhub sees about a 10 hour decrease in traffic....

Nothing short of a giant meteor impact could accomplish that.... let's be realistic.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 25, 2019 - 06:09pm PT
So all those Americans prosecuted by Mueller's team were charged with collusion/conspiracy crimes?

Props for consistency.

sigh, Edward read Mueller's actual investigative directive

hint, he was allowed to pursue suspected wrongdoing uncovered through investigating collusion

stop depending on me for answers, learn how to read and use google....
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 25, 2019 - 06:17pm PT
Norton is right,Mueller had directives.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 25, 2019 - 07:02pm PT
I'm glad Pelosi is leading the House right now for the Dems.

This is going to be a tough needle to thread, trying to find the right balance between due diligence in getting Mueller's report out there, deciding if/how far to pursue whatever might be found there, satisfying the ever-leftward-moving base, and setting the table to be sure this d#@&%ebag president doesn't see a second term.

A newbie House Speaker would flail mightily.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Mar 25, 2019 - 08:24pm PT
Per the post:

He is going to be a great President for a couple years.

Wait and see

He is going to continue to be an egotistical, senile, as#@&%e, for a couple years.

It's hard for me to believe he could ever combine those traits with being a good, let alone, great president.

Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Mar 25, 2019 - 08:58pm PT
Jesse Ventura, Professional Wrestler served as Governor of Minnesota.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Body Building actor served as Governor of California.

DJ Trump - real estate huckster and TV reality Star serves as President.

You can't tell me no one saw this coming some day.

jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 26, 2019 - 11:28am PT
Don't forget Ron Reagan, movie star and TV host, governor of CA. President for two terms.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 26, 2019 - 11:44am PT
Oprah 2020!
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 26, 2019 - 12:06pm PT
Judge Judy...
dirtbag

climber
Mar 26, 2019 - 03:01pm PT
Release the report!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 26, 2019 - 03:51pm PT
Judiciary Committee seeks obstruction of justice probe records from DOJ
By KYLE CHENEY 03/26/2019 01:34 PM EDT Updated 03/26/2019 03:07 PM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/26/mueller-obstruction-of-justice-legislation-1237498

The House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday unanimously approved legislation demanding more details from the Justice Department on the obstruction of justice investigation into President Donald Trump.

The straightforward result belied an odd partisan dance that led a Democratic panel to embrace a GOP proposal on one of the most divisive issues in Washington.

Rep. Doug Collins (R-Ga.), the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, introduced the measure last week — before it was known that special counsel Robert Mueller would be finalizing his investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Though Mueller’s findings remain secret, Attorney General William Barr indicated Mueller opted not to charge Trump or any associates with conspiring with Russians.

Mueller also explicitly chose to “not exonerate” Trump from an obstruction of justice inquiry, Barr revealed, and Democrats have clamored for Barr to provide the full report to Congress to understand how Mueller arrived at that decision.
WBraun

climber
Mar 26, 2019 - 03:57pm PT
Attorney General William Barr is huge corrupt criminal in DC.

And you listen to this guy.

Apogee you need to take a vacation.

You are so far brainwashed and gone it's ridiculous .....
dirtbag

climber
Mar 26, 2019 - 04:02pm PT
Yesterday I thought,”yeah, politically this mueller thing might not be the dem’s best moment, but soon enough the Trump administration will do something so monumentally stupid it will change the topic.”

Then sure enough, today they did exactly that!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/26/administrations-renewed-focus-eliminating-obamacare-is-baffling-political-move/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_health-analysis-130pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans



apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 26, 2019 - 04:08pm PT
I kinda doubt they planned it that way...the DOJ has no doubt been considering supporting that lower court's ruling for a while now. But the timing is perfect(ly awful), depending on which side of the aisle you are on.

This changes the channel quite nicely for the Dems...it will help get everybody out of the dumps, and back on fire about something the whole Party can get behind.
spectreman

Trad climber
Mar 26, 2019 - 04:57pm PT
I thought this thread was supposed to be about the imbecile AOC? Not the imbecile currently residing in the White House.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 26, 2019 - 06:22pm PT
children stomp their feet and cry out for attention when they are ignored

they attack and insult others desperately hoping to be paid attention to

keep ignoring him


The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-time-cure/201709/the-dangerous-case-donald-trump
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 26, 2019 - 06:23pm PT
Here comes the cheaper , better health care Trump promised us . Also constitutional .
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 26, 2019 - 07:01pm PT
Sounds like both HHS head Azar and AG Barr both opposed the idea of backing the 'nuke Obamacare' position. And now Barr has to drive the bus on something he doesn't support...

How in the world could anyone in the Trump WH think it was a good idea to get behind this?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 26, 2019 - 07:15pm PT
Read Norton’s article on psychology to understand stable genious.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 26, 2019 - 07:23pm PT
I applied for a beautiful job building tanks in Ohio . Lock da biotch up .
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 27, 2019 - 06:29am PT
This changes the channel quite nicely for the Dems...it will help get everybody out of the dumps, and back on fire about something the whole Party can get behind.

It does indeed. Is it a trap? Anything that allows them to ignore the lessons of 2016 promotes them to make those mistakes again.

The real losers here, are CNN and MSNBC that ran with it 24/7. Be interesting to see how they play it. CNNs marquee /pol shows don't even get 1/4 of the viewership the Fox shows get in the same time slot I saw yesterday.

In any event, Trump doesn't need to wallow in it right now, it will all get revisited in a series of hard hitting campaign ads. You will think the US is under siege.

dirtbag

climber
Mar 27, 2019 - 06:42am PT
Meh. No one beyond his base would care. Public support for the investigation was pretty strong.


And, we still don’t actually know what the report says. Let’s see it.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Mar 27, 2019 - 06:49am PT
I admit to feeling, since Barr's statement was posted, similar to how I felt on election night in 2016.

That Trump went Radio Silent when the Mueller report was confirmed delivered tells me he wasn't so sure about his vindication. Now, seeing reports of the gloating is like reliving election day-after.

It makes me ill, wondering if when these cases pending in other jurisdictions come out, the same thing will happen.

Meanwhile Trumpublicans are gleeful that DT is *exonerated,* and could care less that he got elected through the machinations which he has.

God I hope there will be trials that wipe the current smirks off the faces of do many. If not, I don't think this country has much is a chance at avoiding a fall into the kind of corruption we despise about so many other countries.
ExfifteenExfifteen

climber
Mar 27, 2019 - 06:55am PT
^ROTFLMAO...
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 27, 2019 - 07:34am PT
“Our Democratic colleagues have taken all the debunked philosophies of the last hundred years, rolled them into one giant package, and thrown a little ‘green’ paint on them to make them look new.”

Well said, Mitch!

Speaking of the Green New Deal...

And like that..

It's gone.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 27, 2019 - 07:52am PT
So what is Mitch et al.’s plan b to address climate change?

Crickets...


I’m not a fan of the gnd, but their self righteousness over the matter is a bit rich considering they basically obstruct everything.


apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 27, 2019 - 08:11am PT
Indeed. Can anyone give an example of a feasible idea that Republicans have put forth about climate issues or healthcare?
WBraun

climber
Mar 27, 2019 - 08:33am PT
Apogee

When are you gonna move to DC and become a real politard?

Don't respond, until you move to DC .....
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 27, 2019 - 08:39am PT
Awwww...I'm flattered, Werner. As you know, I'm not nearly smart enough to do such a thing, though. I'm going to stay right here and learn from the rest of these fine people.
WBraun

climber
Mar 27, 2019 - 08:48am PT
So now it's proved you only use smarts and have no real intelligence.

That is the real trait of politards all smarts and ZERO intelligence, exactly how a robot operates .....
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 27, 2019 - 09:16am PT
New book claims former first lady Barbara Bush kept a Trump countdown clock at her bedside
By CAITLIN OPRYSKO 03/27/2019 10:53 AM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/27/barbara-bush-trump-countdown-clock-1238787

The late first lady Barbara Bush disliked President Donald Trump so much that she kept a jokingly gifted clock counting down to the end of his presidency by her bedside until the day she died, according to an excerpt of a new book about her.

According to Susan Page, USA Today Washington Bureau Chief and author of “Matriarch: Barbara Bush and the Making of an American Dynasty,” the former first lady received the red, white and blue digital clock after the 2016 election as a joke from a friend in Kennebunkport, Maine, who knew how deep her disdain for the president ran.

“She parked it on the side table in her bedroom, next to the chair she would sit in to needlepoint or watch television,” Page wrote of the clock, which counted down to the second the end of Trump’s term. “She liked the countdown clock so much that when the Bushes returned to Houston that October, she brought it with her. It sat on her bedside table, where she could see it every day.”

The new book set to be published next week was compiled from interviews with the Bush matriarch before her death last year as well as decades of diary entries from the former first lady. It shows that Bush’s dislike of Trump goes as far back as the 1990s, when she wrote of the then-real estate mogul that “Trump now means Greed, selfishness and ugly.”
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 29, 2019 - 09:28am PT
Steve Bannon predicts Harris-Beto ticket has 'best shot' at beating Trump
By REBECCA MORIN 03/29/2019 09:15 AM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/29/steve-bannon-harris-orourke-2020-1243426

Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon on Friday claimed a Kamala Harris-Beto O'Rourke ticket has the "best shot" against President Donald Trump in the 2020 elections, but he also contended that the president will likely win reelection.

"I think the best they're going to have, and I don't think these people will defeat him, I think a combination ... of [Kamala] Harris for president and Beto O'Rourke for VP is a way to mobilize their base and give it the best shot," Bannon said during an interview on CNBC's "Squawk Box."





The guy just might have a point...Dems tend to lose when they offer up the same ol' same ol', and win when they rally around a new, fresh, diverse face. Harris has a reasonable amount of gov't experience and is smart, diverse....Beto is quite captivating, and can get the base excited....that's not a bad combo.
Trump

climber
Mar 29, 2019 - 09:44am PT
Well ok so the Mueller thing didn’t go quite according to plan, but if I hold my breath long enough I’m sure Trump will do something stupid that will lose him support and the election.

I’ve got kind of a nagging feeling that I’ve thought this before, but if hold my breath long enough I’ll prolly be able to forget. Who knows - maybe there’s an access Hollywood tape in his future? I’m pretty sure we’re in the Querencia phase at this point. I’ll show him - our POTUS underestimates how long I can hold my breath!
dirtbag

climber
Mar 29, 2019 - 10:52am PT
It would be nice if people actually read the report—or, whatever is left of the report after redactions—before jumping to conclusions about what it means.

August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Mar 29, 2019 - 11:31am PT
^^^

Just what are you trying to say here.

Trump's own AG told us that the report completely exonerates Trump.

Surely, somebody Trump appointed would't try and spin the truth now.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 29, 2019 - 11:42am PT
Oh sure, why would anyone doubt Bob Barr?!?!
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Mar 29, 2019 - 11:43am PT

I’m sure Trump will do something stupid that will lose him support and the election.

Yes, trump will eventually say/do something that will cost him the election, but he will still have the support of the undesirables.
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2019 - 11:48am PT
For the win ^^^^ as this thread is 99.99% full of clueless brainwashed politard retards ....
dirtbag

climber
Mar 29, 2019 - 11:49am PT
Lol...you mean like the migrant caravan?

The deep state?

Hillary’s emails?
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 29, 2019 - 11:52am PT
If this doesn't hammer home what utter piles of cr@p the mainstream media have become... nothing will.

People will still pay attention to the teevee/NYtimes/Wapo and all the other garbage propaganda outlets out there. Spoon-fed garbage 24x7x365
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 29, 2019 - 11:57am PT
ATLANTA, GA—While Empire actor Jussie Smollett has been having a tough week so far, there appears to be a silver lining: cable news channel CNN has offered Smollett a job as an investigative reporter and on-air anchor after witnessing his skills at fabricating a story entirely out of thin air.

CNN producers were reportedly impressed throughout the ongoing saga of Smollett's apparent hoax attack on himself. They realized early on the facts didn't add up but were fascinated with how well the actor kept the narrative going. An HR rep quickly reached out to Smollett to see if he'd be interested in taking on a position at the news organization after news broke that the entire thing was probably fabricated.

https://babylonbee.com/news/jussie-smollett-offered-job-at-cnn-after-fabricating-news-story-out-of-thin-air
WBraun

climber
Mar 29, 2019 - 11:58am PT
Washington Post and NYT are the biggest horsesh!t feeders of brainwashing to you st00pid politards.

CIA controlled st00pid brainwashing to keep you st00pid sheep in their place .....
dirtbag

climber
Mar 29, 2019 - 12:14pm PT
So what is a reliable news source you trust?
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 29, 2019 - 12:22pm PT
With "Mayor Pete" rising rapidly in the polls, you would assume the Left is cheering him on. Instead, he gets crab bucketed.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/pete-buttigieg-gay-diversity-white-male-candidate.html

Buttigieg’s surprisingly strong performance in this poll and a recent flurry of flattering pieces on his Episcopalian faith, political philosophy, and potential electability have combined to create a real sense of momentum for the man now known as “Mayor Pete.” But with momentum comes backlash, currently in the form of frustration that the well-qualified female and black candidates in the race are getting shoved aside for another white guy. When, for instance, economist Alan Cole tweeted on Sunday that Buttigieg “seems head-and-shoulders smarter than the other candidates running,” a characteristic response, this one from writer Jill Filipovic, was: “Warren, who taught at Harvard, was one of the most well-regarded law professors in the country and one of the most intelligent people to serve in the senate, but we don’t politically reward, let alone even identify, that kind of fierce intelligence in women.”
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 29, 2019 - 01:32pm PT


....aannnnd goodbye Biden.

https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 29, 2019 - 01:37pm PT
Unfortunately, that's not the only skeevy encounter Biden has had over the years. He's well known for being overly....'friendly'.

Yet another reason why another old, rich white guy is not the best choice to go up against Trump in 2020 (although I do think he'd handle Trump pretty well in debates).
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 29, 2019 - 01:46pm PT

There are people who think he was the last best chance for the (D)s to reclaim their "brand".
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 29, 2019 - 02:12pm PT
Yeah, and those people are probably old, white, rich people, too.
ExfifteenExfifteen

climber
Mar 29, 2019 - 02:35pm PT
So what is a reliable news source you trust?

The dirtbag climbers living on the dole that post on stupidtaco...
dirtbag

climber
Mar 29, 2019 - 03:06pm PT
^^^Absolutely.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Mar 29, 2019 - 05:27pm PT
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/14/politics/barr-mueller-letter/index.html


A year ago,LOL

Exoneration, is better than any news outlet.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 29, 2019 - 05:54pm PT
Some of Trump’s closest associates are in prison or on the verge of going to prison . There is no way in hell that slimy Don was out of the loop . Why else would Barr be dragging his feet on handing over the goods ?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 29, 2019 - 06:24pm PT
AG: Mueller report to be released 'by mid-April, if not sooner'
William Barr writes he has 'no plans' to give Trump or the White House a chance to review the report before its release.
By KYLE CHENEY 03/29/2019 03:30 PM EDT Updated 03/29/2019 04:40 PM EDT
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/29/attorney-general-doj-to-release-mueller-report-by-mid-april-if-not-sooner-1243851

Attorney General William Barr said Friday he's prepared to share a redacted copy of special counsel Robert Mueller's report with lawmakers and the public by mid-April "if not sooner" and indicated he's prepared to testify to Congress by early May.

In a letter to Congress, Barr wrote he has "no plans" to give President Donald Trump or the White House a chance to review the report before its release, ensuring that there could not be broad claims of executive privilege. Barr cited Trump's public statements deferring to him.








Personally, I'm kinda surprised he's announced it would come out that soon at all. I was much more expecting some kind of stonewalling and Congressional action to get it out there. Of course, whatever comes out in the next coupla weeks will likely be highly redacted.
zBrown

Ice climber
Mar 29, 2019 - 06:52pm PT


Time passed and pictures started to surface of Vice-President Biden getting uncomfortably close with women and young girls. Biden nuzzling the neck of the Defense secretary’s wife; Biden kissing a senator’s wife on the lips; Biden whispering in women’s ears; Biden snuggling female constituents. I saw obvious discomfort in the women’s faces, and Biden, I’m sure, never thought twice about how it made them feel. I knew I couldn’t say anything publicly about what those pictures surfaced for me; my anger and my resentment grew.


Clearly an outright puss grab

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Mar 29, 2019 - 07:05pm PT
When you are famous they let you do anything . Biden should move on them bitches . He’s a real long ball hitter ..
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Mar 29, 2019 - 07:27pm PT
Noooo - if Uncle Joe gets pegged as being another white guy titty grabber, no way can the DNC get him past the #MeToo contingent. Trump and Fox News would have a field day.

If the allegations are true, then Biden is doomed.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Mar 29, 2019 - 08:24pm PT
Minerals

Social climber
The Deli
Mar 29, 2019 - 09:36pm PT

Posted this before, then the thread got nuked... so here it is again.

Shotgun Joe

[Click to View YouTube Video]

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 29, 2019 - 09:37pm PT
Biden would certainly hold his own against that shithead president, but that's about as far as it would go.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 30, 2019 - 08:25am PT
*7 Reasons Progressives May Want To Avoid A Joe Biden Candidacy

I like Joe as a gracious and overall good man who is highly qualified to be President

However check out these compelling reasons to question his past decisions

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-2020-progressives_n_5c79a414e4b0614614d9f8d3
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Mar 30, 2019 - 08:34am PT
WBraun

climber
Mar 30, 2019 - 08:40am PT
They are all useless ignorant cavemen masquerading themselves as leaders of humanity ....
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 30, 2019 - 09:28am PT
Choose 'No', Joe.
sempervirens

climber
Mar 30, 2019 - 10:22am PT
Yet another reason why another old, rich white guy is not the best choice to go up against Trump in 2020 (although I do think he'd handle Trump pretty well in debates).

Yeah, and those people are probably old, white, rich people, too.

Do you guys think these comments make sense? Is it ethical or acceptable to judge a person or a candidate based on their race or age? Can you see the blatant flaw in that reasoning?
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 30, 2019 - 10:29am PT
Do you guys think these comments make sense

yes, because American society is racist and misogynous

if you want your candidate to win you don't want to lose votes for those reasons
sempervirens

climber
Mar 30, 2019 - 10:37am PT
Hmmm.
Norton, if Ben Carson runs against Bernie Sanders then, if your reasoning makes sense you'd vote for Carson. Is that your position??
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Mar 30, 2019 - 10:47am PT
Hi semper, no that is not the reasoning

try again?
sempervirens

climber
Mar 30, 2019 - 11:06am PT
Norton, do you see the flaw in the comments I quoted? The comments do make judgement based on race. If they made sense, then what will happen if the neo-cons choose a candidate like Carson, or Marco Rubio, Sara Palin, etc?

I understand if your saying what you predict will happen if a certain color person is running. But I'm taking issue with deciding who will run based on their color. "American society is racist.." is a broad generalization. So that comment in itself is an obvious problem. Racism exists, yes, no argument there. Let's not support it.

I'm supporting choosing the next candidate(s) by examining their policy positions, voting records, etc. rather than their race. Concentrating on race is a form of racism. Won't that simply lead to more racism, especially if anyone defends the practice.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 30, 2019 - 01:09pm PT
Semper, those comments are certainly an over-simplification, but there is a reason why it fits. Politics on both sides is too often represented by establishment politicians that wind up getting the nod front their Party largely because they’ve done their time, and they are ‘due’. And it is hard to deny the pattern they represent of being older, white, male and moneyed.

Biden is the latest version of that. We don’t need more of the same.
sempervirens

climber
Mar 30, 2019 - 01:36pm PT
Apogee, I don't deny the pattern. Nor do I support Biden. I deny that Biden is a poor choice because of his skin color and age. I brought it to attention for two reasons.

1. making racists judgements supports racism and will likely bring more racism. That's just my opinion, but it's reasonable and most of us do oppose racism.

2. The neo-cons are not stupid. If and when enough voters are not motivated by racism the neo-cons can simply choose a person of color who will do their bidding. In effect they can say, "the libs are right we must put more people of color in power". They elect a Marco Rubio or a crazy like Sara Palin and the country will still be a long way from positive change. Rubio or Palin (or the likes of them) are unlikely to support: single payer health care, end of citizens united, banning private prisons, banking regulation reform, end to gerrymandering, etc. The self-identifying liberals who make anti-white racist comments are helping the neo-cons. The neo-cons expose the hypocrisy, making the libs look stupid and hippocritcal. The dumb KKK-types in US use the anti-white comments as evidence to show the libs are trying to replace white people. Which is nonsense, but nonsense motivates dumb KKK-types. So liberals (progressives/leftists/ anti-trumpers, for lack of a better term) should not use these over-simplifications in political discussions. Over simplifications are simple-minded and, IMO, will backfire.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 30, 2019 - 01:43pm PT
For clarity, I don’t consider using the term ‘white’ in this context to be pejorative- simply stating a reality that has a significant influence on the way voters see a potential candidate.
ExfifteenExfifteen

climber
Mar 30, 2019 - 02:53pm PT
Norton opined,
yes, because American society is racist and misogynous

Yes sir! You are surely racist and misogynous...
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Mar 30, 2019 - 02:57pm PT
Yes sir! You are surely racist and misogynous...

It gets better. Norton still holds the record of being the only person on the taco to post a racist picture of President Obama and calling him the N-word.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 30, 2019 - 03:02pm PT
Nice try. I recall that, and Norton was quoting others, exposing the racism.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 30, 2019 - 03:07pm PT
After the chaos of Trump, I think many Americans wish for a steady hand, from someone with knowledge and experience with complex political situations. They also desire someone who is gracious, has humor (not at someones' expense), and who knows how to say and do the right thing when things go wrong.

Despite Biden's failings, he probably addresses these large issues far better than anyone else running, on either side.

I don't get the sense that the populace is willing to take another chance on change for change sake.
WBraun

climber
Mar 30, 2019 - 03:08pm PT
Nóřton isn't a racist, a brainwashed politard fool, but not a racist ever.

Some of you are insane projectionists that see sh!t that's not really there ....
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 30, 2019 - 03:16pm PT
For clarity, I don’t consider using the term ‘white’ in this context to be pejorative-

Not a pejorative.

Just a negative characteristic.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 30, 2019 - 04:01pm PT
Well, from the perspective of a candidate whose loss is confirmed to have been significantly influenced by the fact they were white, yes, I suppose that’s a negative characteristic.
zBrown

Ice climber
Mar 30, 2019 - 04:16pm PT


single payer health care, end of citizens united, banning private prisons, banking regulation reform, end to gerrymandering, etc.

Can you say that here?

-nigahindewoodpile

Messages 1 - 477 of total 477 in this topic
Return to Forum List
 
Our Guidebooks
spacerCheck 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks

guidebook icon
Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Recent Route Beta