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splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Feb 22, 2019 - 09:09am PT
Wait now. Are we talking about rock destruction or dumbing down a route to your ability level.

Seems hard for some to differentiate between the two and discuss the two issues independently
Jeff Gorris

climber
Not from Portlandia
Feb 22, 2019 - 05:46pm PT
His "About us" -> "Partners" links (tensleeprockranch.com/partners/) says he is a "partner" of the Access Fund (accessfund.org), Leave No Trace (lnt.org) and the AAC (americanalpineclub.org).

Are those organizations aware of what is going on?
mooch

Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2019 - 12:45pm PT
Couch -

Guess you're all for his next move.... Via Ferrata over existing routes? Glueing and chipping "creative"?? HAHAHAHA!! Comfortizing too?....get over the painful crimp, BE-OTCH! Some folks just don't listen. And some folks "caint reed". I've met Louie. Nice guy. Poor listener. So, tell me......what's to be said about a person who fails to understand from the masses what he's been doing as destructive and continues to do it??! A pow wow has already occured and he more or less told those folks to "f*ck off". Furthermore, he's mentioned in his FB reply that "if any bolts are removed, they will be replaced". Yet, he mentions how he sees the errors of his ways???? Pfffft. NO YOU F*CKING HAVEN'T!! I'm no Valley Christian....but I do understand common sense. Is this productive? Sell me otherwise.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 26, 2019 - 12:53pm PT
couchmaster wrote: Seriously guys....most of us don't know the guy, don't know the routes, don't know you, don't know sh#t from shinola but we all still get to weight in on it all anyway? Seriously, this is f*#king wrong.

Nonsense. It's a dick move anywhere and it isn't a locals-only issue even if it's locals who are going to have to resolve it.
couchmaster

climber
Feb 26, 2019 - 02:24pm PT


Mooch noted:
"Couch -

Guess you're all for his next move.... Via Ferrata over existing routes? Glueing and chipping "creative"?? HAHAHAHA!! Comfortizing too?....get over the painful crimp, BE-OTCH! Some folks just don't listen. And some folks "caint reed". I've met Louie. Nice guy. Poor listener. So, tell me......what's to be said about a person who fails to understand from the masses what he's been doing as destructive and continues to do it??! A pow wow has already occured and he more or less told those folks to "f*ck off". Furthermore, he's mentioned in his FB reply that "if any bolts are removed, they will be replaced". Yet, he mentions how he sees the errors of his ways???? Pfffft. NO YOU F*CKING HAVEN'T!! I'm no Valley Christian....but I do understand common sense. Is this productive? Sell me otherwise. "
It's a total pussy move to jump on the internet for a slagfest. Man up and do a face to face. Look him in the eyeball and tell him: see that spot over there? Don't you f*#king touch it or put in a chain for a handrail (thinking the one thats been in Arapiles for many many years that has probably kept hundreds of downclimbers off the deck and out of the emergency room- I don't know what he's done or is planning) or we'll have some serious f*#king issues.

Man up pussies. Besides, it's too damn cold for dude to be out rap bolting right now, I'm listening to a Montana radio station this very day and it's saying that right now, it's -25 degrees. You seem like a good dude Mooch, but folks putting this out this way just seems wrong to me.




"Nonsense. It's a dick move anywhere and it isn't a locals-only issue even if it's locals who are going to have to resolve it."
So, you have seen this abortion with your eyes then JH? I will take your word for it, however I still say that your point was well argued for the first half. It's a total dick move: agreed. However, it seems to me that the uncontrolled whining and mewling is not effective and causes needless animosity's is my point.
mooch

Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2019 - 02:53pm PT
Yep, a pretty nice dude in general. Then again, I am being called for being a pussy. What you haven't seen is my response to him on FB and through email. I can't exactly "face to face" with him since that's a good 1100 mile gig. But, in all fairness, I gave it my best to confront him about it.

But thanks for the advice, Dad. You're move, Coochmaster.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 26, 2019 - 04:06pm PT
Some of the latest posts have me wondering and needing a bit of clarification.

Is Louie modifying existing routes?

To my mind there is a significant difference between dumbing down existing routes and putting up FAs.

To me, the former attacks the most basic "norm" that defines what climbing even is, while the latter is firmly in the "style" sphere of dialog. Just my perspective, but pretty firmly held, and that distinction has a significant effect on how "vociferous" I'm willing to get about "violations".
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Feb 26, 2019 - 05:35pm PT
ZZZZZ x 1,000,000 go climbing your guys and get off the net.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Feb 26, 2019 - 06:14pm PT
^^^ I don't climb guys.

ZZZZZ x 1,000,000 go climbing your guys and get off the net.

I know that's the thing for some guys, but I'm not into it.

If you don't care about this topic, why post into it? Ohhh... some people feel better about themselves when they can disdain climbing discussions that others care about.

Got it. I hope you're feeling really good about yourself now.
drunkenmaster

Social climber
santa rosa
Apr 2, 2019 - 11:18am PT
I find it comical that if you (or I) whine about what is perceived as others whining that you are not yourself a whiner? Before talking sh#t about people talking sh#t about this or simply ignoring it all together it would be in everyones best interest to actually read what is going on here; https://www.facebook.com/pg/tensleepcanyon/posts/

It's pretty much black and white in my god damn opinion - you're either ok with chipping/drilling/manufacturing fake holds, dumbing down "fa's", stealing from the future/stronger climbers and severely defiling nature or you're against it. Of course there is a slight gray area when cleaning and preparing new routes but unless you put up a lot of fa's then most people won't really understand how that is a fine line that is usually very obvious when crossed. If you don't manufacture fake routes yourself but still knowingly climb manufactured routes then you are still part of the problem by promoting and inspiring the fake cheater ass BS.

Good job for posting this Mooch, you and Levy and BJ and a few others seem to get that this is a f*#king problem that needs to be brought to light and solved/handled.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 2, 2019 - 12:36pm PT
Chipping holds is a form of narcissism...you’re making the assumption that you are the best and no one else could come along and do the climb without your engineering. There is plenty of virgin rock out there of all grades awaiting ascents in it’s natural state. Let the rock’s natural architecture define the climb. If you can puzzle it out...great, if not, let someone else do it.
WBraun

climber
Apr 2, 2019 - 01:09pm PT
There's nothing left.

You old drooling aszholes already took all the good classics and left us with sh!t.

We don't have money to travel the world like you criminals.

Gimmeee a break you old bong water drinking luuusores.

I'm gonna do what I need to do with what's left over in the used up backyard you left me .....

(The devils smoking duck advocate) :-)
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 2, 2019 - 04:29pm PT
Call it like it is Werner.
Lloyd Campbell

Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
Apr 3, 2019 - 07:42am PT
Donini and supertopo crew- I hate to break it to you all once again you are being played. Being played by one narcissist pointing the finger as Donini suggested to another. Huey is upset, he’s angry, he’s throwing a temper tantrum that someone else is in his old area, putting up routes, threatening to write a book and taking away all the attention from HIS Aaron’s accomplishments. Remember Wag the Dog? Huey has done it here once again. And everyone is blindly following. The issue boys is not chipping, it’s attention, and Huey is mad. So go help a pathetic Narcissist, help a Huey’s cause. Btw everyone including Huey himself has been chipping here for years, after all “the chipped smooth holds is what makes a classic” - Huey

I agree chipping is pathetic, but that’s not what this is about. It about a broken down half-wit unprofessionall named Huey that’s mad, mad that no one is paying attention to HIM the king, the god of gods the one who could do no harm because he’s perfect, so perfect he needs to cast the first stone in his very own pathetic city living adderall addicts pathetic Seattle suburban home. He wants to be important again, please feed his ego if you wish, because it’s hungry, hungry for attention, hungry for importance, hungry for overcoming something that was taken from him-his innocence.

At least we finally heard from Gluey.
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