CO man kills cougar after being attecked while jogging

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mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 5, 2019 - 08:09pm PT
A jogger at horsetooth in ft Collins was attacked by a juvenile mt lion he fought back and killed the cat.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Feb 6, 2019 - 04:17am PT
From the North Bend thread:
https://amp.coloradoan.com/amp/2773622002
Ben Harland

Gym climber
Kenora, ON
Feb 6, 2019 - 04:39am PT
I've never had a wild cat sink its teeth into my face, so I can only speculate about what kind of reaction the jogger would have. I imagine a lot of adrenaline and possibly rage against the beast as he fought back.

But I would be curious if, in the moment, he had a sense of an ethical dilemma.
trailridge127

Trad climber
Loveland, CO
Feb 6, 2019 - 05:02am PT
In all fairness to the mountain lion, it was cub not a full grown lion.
Gunkie

Trad climber
Valles Marineris
Feb 6, 2019 - 05:04am PT
Who was the jogger? BURT BRONSON??!!
Ezra Ellis

Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
Feb 6, 2019 - 05:22am PT
That is one tough man,
I doubt that he felt a moral dilemma .
Survival!
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Feb 6, 2019 - 08:06am PT
In all fairness to the mountain lion, it was cub not a full grown lion.
Probably just as scary, but yeah, my odds would have been for the animal if it were a 150+ lb adult. One report was 100 lbs, another said 80 - which means it was probably really closer to 50.
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Feb 6, 2019 - 08:08am PT
Mountain lion kittens stay with their mother for ~2 years. Sounds like this one was on its own too soon, not likely to have been able to feed itself. Hungry and inexperienced.

EDIT: JLP is probably right. The kittens grow fast, but at a year old, 50-60bs is more likely than 80 or 100lbs.

We had a lion kill a deer right by one of the classroom buildings back in 2013. I put out a motion activated camera anticipating it would be back on night 2 to finish its meal. Made the video in the link from the camera stills (just fixed the link at 10am Wednesday). Turned out to be a cat that had a Puma Project collar. This is what a full grown (150lb) male looks like. Sort of a cat version of John Long in his prime. What a powerful animal. Be hard to fight this boy off if he decided you were next. But, this is the usual case. A lion running around for a few days on a campus of 25,000 students, staff and faculty and no one saw it.

https://vimeo.com/120661714
Don Paul

Social climber
Washington DC
Feb 6, 2019 - 10:25am PT
Probably a paved trail, horse tooth rez is heavily populated.
Burt Bronson

climber
Feb 6, 2019 - 01:15pm PT
DEAR, GUNKIE. YOU ASKED:
Who was the jogger? BURT BRONSON??!!

IT WAS ACTUALLY MY LITTLE BROTHER, BUTCH BRONSON. HE WAS OUT FOR A LITTLE 50 MILE WINTER BAREFOOT WATERLESS TRAINING SPRINT WHEN THE INCIDENT OCCURRED. HE IS DOING WELL AND PLANS ON STUFFING THE LITTLE KITTEN LIKE A TEDDY BEAR AND GIVING IT TO HIS DAUGHTER AS A GIFT.

BURT BRONSON
THE LAST BASTION OF THE SERIOUS HARDMAN
briham89

Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
Feb 6, 2019 - 01:58pm PT
^BURT BACK FROM THE GRAVE!!!
Burt Bronson

climber
Feb 6, 2019 - 02:14pm PT
^BURT BACK FROM THE GRAVE!!! Here

DEAR, FRIEND. I NEVER DIED. I WILL NEVER DIE. I AM BURT BRONSON.

PS: I DO LURK FROM TIME TO TIME TO ENSURE THAT MY TOXIC MASCULINITY IS STILL PERMEATING THIS WEBSITE. ITS NICE IM REMEMBERED WITH THE MANLY ADULATION THAT I SO RIGHTLY DESERVE.

BURT BRONSON
THE LAST BASTION OF THE SERIOUS HARDMAN
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
Feb 6, 2019 - 02:26pm PT
Five mountain lions were recently trapped and euthanized in the resort town of Glenwood Springs, Colorado after coming up on people's porches and killing their pets, wandering around the suburbs in daylight and killing and burying deer and elk in their yards. They also showed no fear of humans. This year is a severe winter and the wildlife service decided they would either starve or fight to the death with other cougars if relocated. Hence the decision to euthanize them.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Feb 6, 2019 - 03:10pm PT
hey there say, jan... wow, thanks for sharing...
oh my...


say--also, the guy was lucky, too, that 'mama' lion was not around...
meaning, then, it REALLY must? have been finally out on its
own, as of 'this short period' in time...


(just guessing, but, it got me to think, so) ...


mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2019 - 08:51pm PT
I think they breed like rabbits 🐇. They have been hunting them in the black hills for years now and it seems as if there are more.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 6, 2019 - 09:01pm PT
No jokes about the obvious. Not from ME!

BURT YOU BRUTE!
HOW CUM YOU DIDN'T USE ALL CAPS WRITING OUT YOUR AVATAR'S NAME?
JUST SAYIN'...😁
Gunkie

Trad climber
Valles Marineris
Feb 7, 2019 - 05:29am PT
Personally, I'm very happy that BURT BRONSON is still with us. Provides me with a sense of center.

I'm sorry, but the Verizon Wireless commercials with effeminate men walking dogs for a living makes me feel weird. Like maybe that's how we're supposed to be? NO NO NO NO.

THANK YOU BURT BRONSON!
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Feb 10, 2019 - 08:27am PT
An update. It was indeed a kitten.


https://www.outsideonline.com/2389231/how-man-killed-mountain-lion-his-bare-hands?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=facebookpost&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0wh4I47RP5pf9cYCjWVU2CuH8VD2ZfVxcK7z6tYUh-6aJ0GBln-ja2RgA

EDI: MGuzzy is on to something
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 10, 2019 - 09:42am PT
Per the report Mike Bolte links to:

They do know that the mountain lion was younger than a year old. Most mountain lions are born between June and October, which would make this one anywhere from three to eight months old, according to the CPW. They haven't yet determined the lionís gender, so that would put this one anywhere from 20 to 60 pounds.

Although the runner did not receive life-threatening injuries, he is still in a hospital recovering from the wounds the lion afflicted on him.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 10, 2019 - 04:30pm PT
A short report on how errant young Mtn. Lions are handled in central Idaho small towns.


Idaho Fish and Game reported that the woman was breaking up what she thought was a fight between her dog and another dog early Wednesday morning. But as she pulled the two animals apart, she realized that in one hand she held a juvenile male mountain lion weighing around 35 pounds.


While restraining both the dog and the cat, the woman yelled for her husband, who was still inside the house, to grab a gun. He reacted quickly and shot the mountain lion while his wife held onto it, Idaho Fish and Game said in a press release.

https://magicvalley.com/news/local/idaho-woman-thought-she-was-breaking-up-a-dog-fight/article_2d9ba1f8-f71e-5ba9-9fc4-f406493a6432.html
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Feb 10, 2019 - 08:40pm PT
Yellow Jackets are smaller than me - but I'll still smack the sh#t out of it if it tries to sting me.

aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Feb 10, 2019 - 10:04pm PT
Relative size matters. A big guy might do fine against a smaller less experienced animal. But a small woman jogger stands much less of chance against a large male cat. Wolverines have been known to tackle mountain lions and even bears, but they are not soft and mushy like we are.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Feb 10, 2019 - 10:24pm PT
Bring on the cats.

PS the gal on the left is the Stunt Coordinator for Seal Team, she takes us out to a private range 3 times a month.
Aeriq

Sport climber
100-year Visitor
Feb 10, 2019 - 10:34pm PT
Fukkin' BURT BRONSON!

The only acceptable use of all-caps.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Feb 10, 2019 - 10:39pm PT
Binks

climber
Uranus
Feb 11, 2019 - 08:24am PT
I'm certain only Tarzan, Lord of Greystoke, Lord of the Apes could accomplish this in this style! He must be still alive and have been outside his normal jungle habitat!!! This pure style of "man against 'savage' beast" is the equivalent of the hardest free soloing!!!
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Feb 11, 2019 - 10:42am PT
pinky the cat rocks.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Feb 14, 2019 - 06:16pm PT
Turns out it was around 35-40 lbs, a little less than I had predicted. Sounds like it was a good thing it was his wrist and not his neck the critter latched onto.

http://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/02/14/us/mountain-lion-attack-colorado-runner/index.html
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Feb 14, 2019 - 07:33pm PT
A necropsy revealed the mountain lion was about 4 to 5 months old and weighed between 35 and 40 pounds

Yes, wow!
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
Feb 14, 2019 - 10:45pm PT
Here's another article based on the same interview which details the actual fight and his strategy while in the midst of it.

https://www.kunc.org/post/meet-colorado-man-who-killed-mountain-lion-his-bare-hands#stream/0
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 15, 2019 - 03:30am PT
That is very cool article a that highlights the key to survival with large cat or dog is to feed it your weak side arm and never wear earbuds in public or the wild.
Don Paul

Social climber
Washington DC
Feb 15, 2019 - 04:33am PT
The cat was about 10 feet away, said Kauffman, and he threw up his arms and began yelling in an attempt to scare the animal off. ...Kauffman had to run three miles down the trail, bloodied, injured and warily eyeing his surroundings for more mountain lions.

What a fool, he could have just as easily kept going instead of stopping to fight with the cat. The cat was lost in an urban area and defending itself.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 15, 2019 - 06:48am PT
Uh oh.... now the peta-people are going to say Skittles were found in the lions pocket and it was the jogger's fault....

This part of the article was strange
Investigators could not determine the animal's sex,

How could that possibly be?
monolith

climber
state of being
Feb 15, 2019 - 07:01am PT
cuz it got fed on.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Feb 15, 2019 - 09:04am PT
Yeah - that guy is roughly my size. If a ~40 lb cat was that difficult, not sure how either of us would do with a full 150 lb cat. I've seen plenty of bears, some just a few yards away, and I didn't mind, but was actually chased down a trail once by an angry grouse - freaked me out.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 15, 2019 - 09:06am PT
Dood, we get enough grousing here.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 15, 2019 - 09:42am PT
Here's what the guy looked like after his encounter with the "kitten"...



The guy was incredibly lucky the "kitten" didn't clamp on his neck instead of his arm when it pounced.

He is a thinly built runner-type who was off on a 12 to 15 mile trail run. Check this out:




cragnshag

Social climber
Gilroy
Feb 15, 2019 - 10:51am PT
40 lbs is not a big cat. I've been attacked plenty of times by my 23 lb flame-point siamese who can be a mean SOB (he is a good kitty with a personality disorder). I'm pretty sure most human adults can fend off a 40lb anything (bear, cat, etc). But a 100 or 150 lb cat is going to shred you to pieces and eat your liver.
cragnshag

Social climber
Gilroy
Feb 15, 2019 - 10:56am PT
BTW, Pinky in the video posted above is a flame-point siamese.
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Feb 26, 2019 - 09:54pm PT
Bale

Mountain climber
UT
Feb 26, 2019 - 10:12pm PT
My friend in turn squeals like a little girl and TOOK OFF RUNNING AWAY FROM THE RABBIT!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 27, 2019 - 03:13am PT
but it's got sharp teeth!..
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Feb 27, 2019 - 07:21am PT
Bale, DMT, and Rudder for the win. Hilarious! Yeah, that lady is INTO him.

BAd
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Mar 1, 2019 - 05:56pm PT
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mountain-lion-killed-colorado-jogger-was-orphaned-kitten-n978126

The big cat that attacked Travis Kauffman in Fort Collins on Feb. 4 was a male, between 4 and 5 months old, based on an examination of the animal's teeth, a necropsy performed by Colorado Parks and Wildlife veterinarians found.

At the time of the attack, it probably weighed between 35 and 40 pounds, the veterinarians found. By the time of the necropsy, the mountain lion's remains were only 24 pounds, because it was partially eaten ó most likely by its two surviving siblings, Colorado Parks and Wildlife spokesman Jason Clay said.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Mar 1, 2019 - 06:45pm PT
One article used the term "kitten" to describe the mountain lion he killed. Not sure if it was so small as to be called a kitten.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 11, 2019 - 04:15pm PT
That (kitten) did a number on his face... sad deal all the way around. he did what he had to do. he gets chewed up and the cat gets dead..
couchmaster

climber
Mar 12, 2019 - 04:05pm PT

^^Nothing, except these animals try and take prey down from the back. There have been face off with these cats face to face, but not a head on attack, even a large male won't take a human on straight on. Curious that the fella has scratches on the face. Other folks are wondering if he might have cornered a young cat/kitten and it was forced to fight. I was suspicious when I first heard the story and my suspicion has only deepened. Not that it matters, but it's interesting.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 12, 2019 - 04:22pm PT
seriously doubt that turning to face a cat in attack mode will save you... I lived with a miniature Asian leopard hybrid for 9 years. pretty much nothing stopped him if he was in a mood to attack. certainly he would try to get you when you were not looking but if you turned once he had started his attack he always finished...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 12, 2019 - 04:42pm PT
once he had started his attack he always finished...

Then how are you still alive?
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Mar 12, 2019 - 05:03pm PT
I was very quick and Beasti only weighed 12 lbs. he got in weird moods and would start with the low growl. once he made the decision to attack he never backed off. Get him behind the neck and toss him out in his outdoor enclosure he would come in 10 min later all friendly rubbing on you and purring. Drew blood on me several times a week. Only reliable way to get him to let go if he got into you was to bite his ear really hard. it really bummed me out when he attacked me as I could never figure out why and a way for us to get along better.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 12, 2019 - 06:01pm PT
I could never figure out why and a way for us to get along better.

Yeah, that DNA thang is a bitch! 🤣 See where that dood in Czechoslovakia got munched
by his nice kitty just last week? Yeah, his kitty weighed 450 lbs and was named Simba.

Recent studies have shown nature trumps nurture with humans most of the time in many facets, too.
couchmaster

climber
Apr 2, 2019 - 05:16am PT

Must have been a long cold lonely winter.
Sacramento Bee has a "Blood everywhere" lil 7 year old attacked story (Canikistan).

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Apr 2, 2019 - 07:49am PT
Yikes! That doesn't bode well for the survival of lions. A couple dead kids and historically that's the end of the kitties.

Bad kitty...
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