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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 11, 2018 - 08:45am PT
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China seems to be doing this to great effect as a part of its foreign policy.
Uh, not so fast there. Almost all the countries that China has ‘helped’ in recent years are now protesting the onerous loan rates that China is ‘willing to reconsider’ in exchange for military bases and long term access to natural resources at a pittance of their market value.
There’s no free lunch.
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A Essex
climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 10:06am PT
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the most impact you can have on climate change is to have one or fewer children... it is an order of magnitude more effective than any other mitigating activity you could do,
Winner winner chicken dinner
unless you deck your loin spawn out in Pattagucci, then the effect is carbon neutral!
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 10:28am PT
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@Robert L say: I do feel inwardly happier since reducing my international travel to 1x trip to Chamonix or El Chalten every 4-years.
Very magnanimous sir. Very magnanimous indeed.
:rolleyes:
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Dec 11, 2018 - 10:31am PT
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How does one have fewer than one child?
You don’t breed at all.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 10:33am PT
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it would seem a strategy might then be to help the "undeveloped world" develop... China seems to be doing this to great effect as a part of its foreign policy.
Sorry, Ed, but you lost me there. What happened to Chinese output of CO2 when China "developed" post-Mao?
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couchmaster
climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 10:42am PT
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I'm a Elon Musk fanboi here. My advice is to not get wrapped up in the marketing hype from a license plate frame. Your post, Jeffry, is spot on the money I'll agree, the US gets craploads of electricity from coal production to power those "green" cars. It will not always be so and moving to a better product in the future should be embraced. Musk has a better product. Like all new things (lets discuss the evolution of computer chip speed or the internet in the last 15 years as a corollary) it may not be perfect now, but like the internet of 15 years back with 2400 baud modem dial up speed or 386 Pentium chips - it's fairly good and will get better with time. Much much bettter.
Electrical Production -your roof
Electrical storage - your onsite battery.
Electrical useage - your car and house.
Good stuff. Coal sucks bad for many reasons, and we use shitloads of it. Less now, fortunately, mostly due to fracking. But we need alternative power. https://cleantechnica.com/2018/12/07/us-coal-consumption-to-hit-rock-bottom-lowest-level-in-39-years/
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 11, 2018 - 11:02am PT
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I was thinking that it was a fallacy simulator.
I was thinking that it was a phallacy stimulator.
This account is nothing but a troll. Look at post history. I hate to bump this lame thread, but come on.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 11, 2018 - 11:20am PT
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Their kids are on MY lawn ALL the time.
Okay, I've gotta ask: Do they poop on your lawn?
(Sorry, now I'm engaged with this lameness. Sigh.)
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Dec 11, 2018 - 11:27am PT
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And you selfish bastards with 4 or 5 kids....
you're gonna have to give up a few.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 11, 2018 - 11:27am PT
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If yes, will you help me?
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. I feel incompetent for the job.
Moosegore!
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Dec 11, 2018 - 12:54pm PT
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Well, if nothing else, electric cars can help keep pollution from concentrating in cities.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 11, 2018 - 06:44pm PT
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China has one overseas military base...
The US has something like 37...
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Jeffrey VanMiddlebrook
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 11, 2018 - 07:34pm PT
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Very interesting the myriad responses to my OP. No, I'm not a troll bot, and no I do not work for any aspect of the fossil fuels industries. What I am is a fact-based realist. So, how many of y'all who took issue with my OP own an ICE car? Guess y'all own climbing ropes made from oil. Bet you don't know that 7 gallons of petroleum goes into every single car tire, even on Teslas.
The self-righteous hypocrisy is so thick that my chainsaw can't cut through it. And yes, I know all about the Gigafactory because one of my sons worked there.
As to Elon Musk, he's certainly an eclectic visionary, and I respect that as a prolific inventor myself, but "Zero Emissions" is an impossibility on Earth.
The PROBLEM is too many humans. The SOLUTION is Soylent Green!! As the late Euell Gibbons might have said, "Ever eat a human? Many parts are edible."
Next, and don't bore me.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Dec 11, 2018 - 07:58pm PT
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Wow, you're a d#@&%e.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 11, 2018 - 08:51pm PT
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Either Jeffrey is a troll or dense as hell. I am going with the later. What is the weird obsession with the semantics? Does he really think anyone would be impressed by his observation?
What is next for Jeffrey, Payless Shoes? It should be shoes you do not have to pay for god dammit! If they wanted to advertise cheap shoes they should have said Pay Less.
And how about those Subway sandwich commercials, my sandwich never looks as good as the one in the commercial. Bait and switch I tell you.
Reminds me of the irate customers at the 99 Cents Only Store (large dollar store chain in CA) who demands to see the manager because they have items priced at more than 99 cents. It is usually an old fart (like me), and female, who filled her cart with 8 ounce packages of sliced cheddar cheese believing they were "99 cents only". Humiliated at the register, the aggrieved customer often announce that they are going to sue the store for false advertising. Everyone in line (there is always a line) gets annoyed because now the slow motion employee has to undo the offending items. Actually nothing is 99 cents in their store anymore, the minimum price is 99.9 cents, with lots of stuff at $1.99 or more.
99 Cents Only Stores have been sued in a class action lawsuit and won
https://www.mto.com/news/headlines/2015/99-cents-only-stores-obtains-dismissal-in-deceptive-advertising-class-action
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Dec 11, 2018 - 09:46pm PT
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China has one overseas military base...
And one in-seas military base currently in production : )
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 11, 2018 - 10:22pm PT
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China has one overseas military base...
The US has something like 37...
That wasn't the question.
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