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Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 8, 2018 - 09:22pm PT
IEDs are the new wrinkle. Exposure to just one blast can cause CTE

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120516152440.htm
couchmaster

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 11:33am PT
Quote from Judge Alex Kozinsk:
"The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed—where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once."

More gun control is so dumb. Lets get the guns out of your friends and neighbors hands so that President Trump can have more power. The executive branch controls the Justice dept, CIA, FBI and guess who's commander in chief of all the armed forces? One nutjob with a gun in a bar is a lot better than having one nutjob running the country having the guns. We already have shitloads of gun laws. Mexicos gun laws are X10 stronger than in the US -they have "common sense" gun laws coming out their ears, enough to effectively ban firearms for honest people. Yet they have almost 5 times more gun violence than in the US. It won't do anything for the US but make honest citizens criminals.

Once you start ignoring the constitution it's a small step to get your political enemies disarmed. Let's take Antifa for example...and here we are on the 80th anniversary of Kristalnacht.
"...in March 1938, a new gun control law was passed in Germany. In this law, the only mention of Jews was in the part that declared a total ban on Jews from participating in the production and trade of firearms and ammunition....By the law of 1935, not only Jews, but also all political opponents of the Nazi regime, as well as Gypsies and the homeless, were treated as "untrustworthy."

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/11/what_truly_caused_the_pogrom_of_1938.html
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 9, 2018 - 11:38am PT
"Lets get the guns out of your friends and neighbors hands so that President Trump can have more power."


It's hard to comprehend how anyone can believe that today's Federal Government is somehow more restrained simply because the populace owns guns.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Nov 9, 2018 - 11:43am PT
Donini said:

Yes, blame the perpetrator but keep in mind...there are deranged people in other countries but the outcomes are not the same.

Which got me thinking. Is this true? The US is crazy on some levels--absolutely, but we are a huge country, so we're going to have more of everything, usually, but I think you'll find this list enlightening and troubling. We ARE NOT the only ones suffering from deranged psychos killing innocents. Sadly, it looks like we're at the head of the class. Of course, if you want to add in suicide bombers and the like in trouble Muslim countries, we don't even come close. I would argue those a*holz are deranged, too. This list shows attacks in countries all over the world. Messed. Up.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/timeline-worldwide-school-and-mass-shootings

I believe we need some legislation that allows police to seize firearms when folks show signs of serious mental illness/distress. The devil, of course, will be in the details.

BAd
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 11:54am PT
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Nov 9, 2018 - 03:23pm PT
Here's a quote from a greater legal mind than Kozinksi's (whose legal career is unfortunately better remembered by his love for porn). As former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stephens wrote recently:
Concern that a national standing army might pose a threat to the security of the separate states led to the adoption of that amendment, which provides that “a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” Today that concern is a relic of the 18th century.

For over 200 years after the adoption of the Second Amendment, it was uniformly understood as not placing any limit on either federal or state authority to enact gun control legislation. In 1939 the Supreme Court unanimously held that Congress could prohibit the possession of a sawed-off shotgun because that weapon had no reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a “well regulated militia.”
The notion that a band of civilians could defend against an army of their own countrymen with their Apache helicopters, B-1 bombers, stealth weaponry, Patton and Abrams tanks, carpet bombs, etc., etc., is beyond ludicrous. That such an argument would form a legal basis for the 2nd Amendment is laughable. Although I'm licensed to appear in U.S. District Court, including the 9th District, where Kozinksi sat, I'd be embarrassed to hear any judge offer an argument of such pulp.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Nov 10, 2018 - 07:11am PT
I hear you Fatdad. No way my 30-06 is going to win out against an F-18. I would just say, however, that a lot of well-armed people with sufficient resolve, once they start taking out high-ranking politicians, etc, might go far in getting their way. Think of all the crazy bombing we did in Vietnam. In virtually every instance, the VC were way out gunned. They had NO air force, for example, but yet they won the war. Once the Canadians and Mexicans start supplying the insurgents who fight with valor and determination against the Trump regime, you never know what will go down.

Sounds like my next novel. Anyone read Ecotopia? That's basically the story. Lib freaks in the west fight the national gov't and win! Only in fiction, I suppose.

BAd
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