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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Side effect of psychiatric drugs.
Side effect of a highly incompent mental health industry.
Side effect of a mentally deranged gun lobby. I'm looking at you Wayne LaPierre.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Thanks once again to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice for gun freedom.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Just as the New Deal saved capitalism (at least that's what many believe), gun owners and advocates are going to have to agree to some meaningful restrictions and check / balances on gun ownership, if they want to keep them at all.
Let's hope for some reasonable solutions instead of demonizing large segments of the population, almost all of whom are decent, law abiding citizens. And let's not forget that other countries do in fact have both mass shootings and mass killings by other means, albeit not at the same rate as the US. And as much as the take-away-everyone's-gun folks deny it, it's entirely reasonable to believe that an armed citizenry may play a role in combating repressive government, civil insurrection and crime, foreign invasion, etc., even if that's not your belief.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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"Since 1958 the Dems have controlled both houses of the CA legislature except for a couple years. Why hasn’t that worked? "
Obvious to most people:
California can not override the 2nd amendment extreme court rulings and effects.
More importantly,
how many murders like this were there in the 70s?
Did returning soldiers at that time take it out on fellow citizens?
Or has something changed: Kook Extremism, mostly by the Alt-right.
Which is also somewhat similar to gang violence (mostly by minorities).
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Since 1958 the Dems have controlled both houses of the CA legislature except for a couple years. Why hasn’t that worked?
California has a lower gun violence rate than some of the more "rugged individual" (macho man with a semi-automatic penis extension) states, such as Texas.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jon, that may be true but given such a lengthy legislative majority it does rather beg the question of why aren’t better laws in place to take guns away from known nutters? Given how hard it is to get courts and cops to protect women against known threats maybe it isn’t for lack of laws?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Very sad. If the man was having flashbacks and felt he was in war, it's just horrible. He would be as much a victim of our health care problems - and gun laws- as any of the poor people who were killed. Not to diminish their pain and suffering in any way.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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why aren’t better laws in place to take guns away from known nutters?
NRA and an outdated Constitution? We need an amendment badly
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Politicians will not legislate this-lawsuits have to happen and the insurance companies could make it very expensive to own a handgun--money is the only thing that matters to these people-I'm just stupid but I don't think the politicians will do anything until you start voting them out-even the Las Vegas incident resulted in no change. And statistically- the most likely person to be killed by your hand gun is yourself by your own hand
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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And statistically- the most likely person to be killed by your hand gun is yourself by your own hand
So what? Suicide rates aren't higher in the US than other industrialized countries (well higher than some, lower than others). If it's easy to get guns, of course they'll be used for suicide as they are an obvious way to do it. But people in other countries don't seem to have any problem taking their own life.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Thoughts and prayers and candlelight vigils don't do sh#t. When will we ever learn?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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“It is often said that people would kill themselves anyway, even if they didn't have access to guns,” Dr Nestadt said.
“There is an entire body of research that tells us that is simply not true.”
He pointed to previous research which found 71 per cent of people acted on suicidal thoughts within an hour of having them.
“If there is no gun around, many people won’t have the means to follow through on those impulses, or would use a less lethal method with a much greater chance of survival,” Dr Nestadt said.
“Suicide is an impulse and can only be carried out by firearm if there is a gun in the drawer. Any barrier you can put up can work.”
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ec
climber
ca
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Pray to whom?
No prayer is gonna make things better for anyone.
We need action on mental health issues.
 ec
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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So I've been curious about this for awhile. PTSD, aka shell shock, has been around ever since there has been war, but mass shootings have been a fairly new result. why?
I am also not convinced that everybody who commits a mass shooting is mentally ill. Many of the shooters want attention, even if they are dead.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Repeal.
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Climberdude
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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I will not be saying any prayers for the victims in Thousand Oaks. No disrespect to them and their families. Prayers are not what they need now.
I will be saying prayers for the politicians who just do not see what is really going on and those who are blinded by the gun makers' blood money. I will also be saying prayers to those who do not realize that mental health issues are very real and have very real consequences.
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