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monolith

climber
state of being
Dec 6, 2018 - 06:46pm PT
Both Pence and Trump had their hand on their hearts when they faced the aisle as the casket reached their pew, but somehow couldn't manage to keep it there when they turned to the front.

Not a good look.

No doubt Sketch is looking for an Obama or a Clinton pic now in defense of Trump.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Dec 6, 2018 - 07:12pm PT
Sadly, but not unexpectedly, that image will mean absolutely nothing to Trumpís base. Matter of fact, many will herald it as proof of Trumpís anti-Bush, anti-establishment views.

ďJust another day.Ē

Indeed.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Dec 6, 2018 - 07:46pm PT
Wisconsin made the news.

The Democrats swept Wisconsin in November, riding on voter support of Democrat reforms.

The Republican response?

The lame-duck Republican legislature passed last-minute bills that would block or impede the promised Democratic reforms when the new government takes over.

The lame-duck Republicans also passed legislation that would impede any further voter choice and facilitate Republican control of the state government in the next election.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2018 - 07:56pm PT
I spent a while this afternoon looking for a reputable source for dirtbag's mention that Trump Republicans had larger incomes than Clinton Democrats. I didn't find one, but this Washington Post article that shows a lot of Trump supporters make decent money, does refute claims that most Trump supporters are lower working class. Instead, a large percent are also moneyed BOW's (Bitter Old Whites).

Among people who said they voted for Trump in the general election, 35 percent had household incomes under $50,000 per year (the figure was also 35 percent among non-Hispanic whites), almost exactly the percentage in NBCís March 2016 survey. Trumpís voters werenít overwhelmingly poor. In the general election, like the primary, about two thirds of Trump supporters came from the better-off half of the economy.

But, again, what about education? Many analysts have argued that the partisan divide between more and less educated people is bigger than ever. During the general election, 69 percent of Trump voters in the election study didnít have college degrees. Isnít that evidence that the working class made up most of Trumpís base?

The truth is more complicated: many of the voters without college educations who supported Trump were relatively affluent.

In short, the narrative that attributes Trumpís victory to a ďcoalition of mostly blue-collar white and working-class votersĒ just doesnít square with the 2016 election data. According to the election study, white non-Hispanic voters without college degrees making below the median household income made up only 25 percent of Trump voters.
Credit: Fritz


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/05/its-time-to-bust-the-myth-most-trump-voters-were-not-working-class/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e4211de7fc47
AntiChrist

Gym climber
Urth
Dec 6, 2018 - 08:43pm PT
Funny how on the one hand Dump supporters are salt of the earth, wholesome, disenfranchised work class joes (which is admirable in the eyes of trumpuppets)... on the other they make more than Clinton supporters (which means they are better than Clinton supporters in the eyes of trumpuppets).

From my experience the only common trait is that they are stupid, racist, and white. I know plumbers who make $100k a year and they are dumber than the sh#t they chase.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Dec 6, 2018 - 09:08pm PT
Geez Fritz, it's pretty interesting that the numbers in both those graphs, Trump supporters and white Trump supporters, are EXACTLY the same. Seems a bit ... odd. If real, maybe it's because all Trump supporters are white? So what's your interpretation of this? Any deep thoughts here?
kingtut

climber
Jingus Newroutaineer
Dec 6, 2018 - 09:16pm PT
I've said it before and I will say it again...If Rump the Ass Clown was swinging from a lamp post in DC it would be too good for him.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 6, 2018 - 09:25pm PT
Fritz: I apologize, I really shouldíve provided a link.

Anywho, this is not the poll I was thinking of (canít find it unfortunately) but it is consistent with what I stated above.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

Not an overwhelming difference, but it does rebut the notion that trump voters were poorer.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2018 - 10:07pm PT
dirtbag! Thank you for the link, which takes a little scrolling down.

It does appear from this CNN exit poll interview from 24,588 voters at the last election, that at most earnings data points, on the average, (not based on population) A percent of Trump supporters make more or the same as Clinton supporters.

So, although the figures do not approach enough to be statisticly accurate, I have to say they show poorer Democrats & better off Republicans. Please remember, "Figures Never Lie, but ---------.

24,558 respondents
Income
Clinton Trump Other/No Answer
Under $30,000
17% 53% 40% 7%
$30K-$49,999
19% 52% 41% 7%
$50K-$99,999
30% 46% 49% 5%
$100K-$199,999
24% 47% 48% 5%
$200K-$249,999
4% 49% 47% 4%
$250,000 or more
6% 46% 46% 8%
$100K or more
34% 47% 47% 6%


24558 respondents
Income
Clinton Trump Other/No Answer
Under $50K
36% 53% 41% 6%
$50K-$100K
30% 46% 49% 5%
$100K or more
34% 47% 47% 6%
Winemaker! Per your mention of the two charts of income of Trump Supporters vs white Trump supporters showing the same figures.

I suppose that does show some slight correlation between being a BOW (Bittter Old White) and just being a BOA (Bitter Old Anyrace).
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 6, 2018 - 10:08pm PT
Right kingtut but they donít draw and quarter people anymore and they stopped burning people at the stake just when they perfected the slow way...oh well.
john hansen

climber
Dec 6, 2018 - 10:15pm PT
Slowly but surely Trump is going down.
AntiChrist

Gym climber
Urth
Dec 7, 2018 - 04:50am PT
I thought we weren't allowed to believe anything from CNN. Odd that anyone would even look at the income since it is statistically worthless, esp consodering the age and gender differences (25 year old women in college make far less than 40 year old highskool dropouts "in the trade"). The big take away is fewer Dump voters have college degrees, far fewer have post-grad degrees, and the vast majority are white and male. Uneducated racist dom8nantly christian men who don't mind a famous guy grabbing women by the pussy... surprise!
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 7, 2018 - 05:16am PT
This morning I'm in Alamogordo, NM, and came to a Denny's to get internet and breakfast. I ordered the "$4 Slam," which includes pancakes.

Went out to the van to get my maple syrup(I thought I could stomach the beet syrup they use in cheap places but one bite and...no. So, I went to dig out the syrup which was in one of the middle of the under-bed bins. Effort, when I haven't had coffee yet...

So, I go out and there's this dumazz smoking a cigarette directly in front of the door. Not only do I have to inhale his toxic pleasure, I have to contort myself to get passed him.

Because I'd read this thread while waiting...I thought "I should ask who he voted for." Of course, I know that's a bad idea, anywhere. I can't afford to have my tires damaged or windshield cracked.

On the way back, the waitress is out there smoking as well. She really ought to know better, and if not, someone at work ought to have made the policy of not fumagating the customers. Like most businesses with a clue do....
But, I had my answer as to who they voted for, as I got a snippet of the conversation, which went something like "You wouldn't believe.....these liberals...."

Safe to say at least one DT supporter is a stalwart denier of facts(smoking kills) and selfish(blocking entrance/egress - with a smoking cigarette in hand). I don't know his education level.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Dec 7, 2018 - 05:26am PT
I just flew over your path on Tuesday

Like a Ship, in the desert
Like a Ship, in the desert
Credit: Dingus Milktoast

DMT
AntiChrist

Gym climber
Urth
Dec 7, 2018 - 05:41am PT
I had a similar encounter but I had my 3 month old son strapped to my chest, outside in Feb. I ask the guy "Would you please move so we can go in." He took a sarcastic half-shuffle to one side.

"how far are you supposed be be from the door when smoking anyway?"

"I'm far enough." (Sorry bub, 3' aint far enough)

"Not according to the law, or me."

"Yur fine."

"No, I'm not fine. You need to move away from the door so me and my baby can go inside."

"No I don't. Yur fine."

So I took a picture of him and pretended to call the police. He moved... walked to his car (likely to finish his cig in his warm car with the engine running) so I got his license plate. I find letters are easy and effective ways of communicating with law enforcement without burdening the emergency response system. They seem to appreciate a well formulated letter with clear pictures.
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Dec 7, 2018 - 05:57am PT
People are thinking the Manafort filing today is going to be...a problem....for DT and Co. Rumors Kelly is about to resign/being let off babysitting detail.

I know we've had many "today's the day" days in the last two years, and today will not be THE day, but just another of the many Days that we learn more about what's been happening.

I guess we will see. Today I'm just going from here to Las Cruces, not very far.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 7, 2018 - 06:57am PT
I just flew over your path on Tuesday

I get the feeling that like me, you appreciate a good window seat view.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 7, 2018 - 07:00am PT
Happie:

You might find this interesting in its description of Muellerís approach.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/577264/
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Dec 7, 2018 - 07:13am PT
...this dumazz smoking a cigarette...

Off topic I know, but I think smokers have no idea how badly they stink. I've never smoked a cigarette and am amazed at how far away I can detect a smoker. Where I grocery shop there is a smoking area, far removed from the entrance; one smoker 50 feet away triggers the alarm. I was in line at the bank the other day, smelled that awful smell and there was the reason several people ahead: young guy smelling awful from smoke saturated clothing. I wanted to say something but of course it's not my business; I suspect he's reducing his mating chances by quite a bit, except with other smokers.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Dec 7, 2018 - 07:37am PT
as one who used to smoke i can attest that when i saw a girl light up I knew that meant she was possibly in the dating pool. i wouldn't worry about they guy's chances it's a deep pool
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