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EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 8, 2018 - 05:38pm PT
Coincidence?

Correlation?

Better go climbing TOMORROW, just to be safe.

Edited for clarity.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Nov 8, 2018 - 05:44pm PT

Coincidence?

Correlation?

Better go climbing, just to be safe.

Too dark right now and I'm hungry ;)
Lituya

Mountain climber
Nov 8, 2018 - 05:46pm PT
Can you say lame duck or coup?

Yawn.

Stretch.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 8, 2018 - 06:26pm PT
I have not stretched anything really.

It is going to be fun watching him go down in flames.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Nov 8, 2018 - 07:29pm PT

As we wrote last week, the Constitution is a bipartisan document, written for the ages to guard against wrongdoing by officials of any party. Mr. Whitaker’s installation makes a mockery of our Constitution and our founders’ ideals. As Justice Thomas’s opinion in the N.L.R.B. case reminds us, the Constitution’s framers “had lived under a form of government that permitted arbitrary governmental acts to go unchecked.” He added “they knew that liberty could be preserved only by ensuring that the powers of government would never be consolidated in one body.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/opinion/trump-attorney-general-sessions-unconstitutional.html
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 8, 2018 - 08:03pm PT
Trump? Lame duck?

Is that before or after he seats a couple of new SCOTUS justices?

When is his querencia phase gonna start? 😂😂😂
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 8, 2018 - 08:46pm PT
For the sake of McCain’s memory, I hope to hell that Sinema prevails.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Nov 8, 2018 - 08:49pm PT
Am I seeing the news correctly?

last I saw, Cristin Sinema(the dem) was ahead.

so let me get this straight, trump campaigned in Montana, and Nevada, and his candidates still lost.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 8, 2018 - 09:03pm PT
There are still a lot of ballots to be counted in Arizona, and many of them are in Maricopa County, where Phoenix lies...this is Sinema’s district. Still, the vote has swayed back and forth between Sinema and McSally.

Anyone wanna bet on which candidate McCain would back?
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Nov 8, 2018 - 09:12pm PT
Anyone wanna bet on which candidate McCain would back?

Good question. I was watching the election coverage on ABC tuesday night . Megan McCain was on there, and she said she is not a Sinema fan.
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Nov 8, 2018 - 09:13pm PT
Brad,

Go climbing every day, all day and politics should all be good.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Nov 8, 2018 - 09:21pm PT

Brad,

Go climbing every day, all day and politics should all be good.

I'd be happy to. But there's that one little catch about being able to eat and pay bills.

On the other hand, perhaps you'd be willing to support me and the family so I can go climbing more? In the style to which we'd like to become accustomed, of course ;)
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 8, 2018 - 09:40pm PT
10b4me! Re your question:

so let me get this straight, trump campaigned in Montana, and Nevada, and his candidates still lost.


Yes!

From CNN:

Tester was widely seen early in the cycle as a vulnerable Democrat due to the fact Trump won the state by 20 points just two years ago. But Tester's unique brand as a farmer from Big Sandy and his personal connection to the state provided a contrast to Republican Matt Rosendale, whose ties to the state were constantly in question. President Trump flew to Montana four times to campaign against Tester.

From information up-thread & Montana friends, VP Pence also flew to Montana 3 times, & Donald Jr. 5 times,to campaign for the "carpet-bagger" real estate promoter from Maryland that Trump supported.

I know Trump went to Nevada at least twice to tout his candidate for Senate, but I don't have details.

Trump's wasted campaign trips at American Taxpayer expense, appears to be news the MSM is currently not sharing with us.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 8, 2018 - 10:30pm PT
McSally is a big-time Trump supporter. All due respect to Megan, but that should pretty much make clear which way McCain would go.
Happy Cowboy

Social climber
Boz MT
Nov 9, 2018 - 04:24am PT
The headline today in Montana “ Tester wins by poaching Trump voters, holding his base”
The article states that Tester won 14% of votes from people who voted for Trump in 2016.
Of that 20% of women turned their vote to Tester, and 8% of republican men.

When Tester was asked his opinion about contending with Trump’s 4 visits this campaign his response was “I look forward to the President’s next visit to Montana in hopes that it concerns the real issues affecting Montanans”. Every State could benefit with him in the Senate.
Jon Tester, the only working farmer in the Senate and possibly DC.

Also of Montana interest, 9 Native Americans were elected to State house.
Climberdude

Trad climber
Clovis, CA
Nov 9, 2018 - 05:11am PT
I am glad that the people of California rejected Props. 3 and 6. Prop. 6 was an obvious Republican Party (third party status in California) publicity attempt, but 3 was a sneaky similar attempt to benefit big agriculture (a heavy funder of Republicans) at the expense of taxpayers.

When water issues make sense with regard to conservation, environment, agriculture, and the population, I am in favor of expending state funds or issuing bonds. Past history of water bond issues has shown the California population also goes this way. However, when water bonds are blank checks to big ag with a cynical ploy, I am glad that the people saw through the ruse. Yes, there are populations in my area who do not have drinkable water due to agriculture, but the solution to their problem is not to dump a bunch of bond money to big ag in hopes that the water would "tickle down" from ag to those without water. I am glad that it appears that the California population understands that more dams is not always the answer.

Before you ag supporters flame on, I come from a family that were Central Valley farmers. I worked on my family's farm. I saw how farmers thought that water from the great river next to the farm that we pumped the hell out of was an unlimited source.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Nov 9, 2018 - 07:35am PT
McSally is a big-time Trump supporter.
McSally used to be more of a moderate.
All due respect to Megan, but that should pretty much make clear which way McCain would go

I'm not so sure
John M

climber
Nov 9, 2018 - 07:47am PT
McSally ran one of the ugliest smear and fear based campaigns that I have seen. There was big big money behind her because the ads ran about 4 to 1. 4 McSally ads for every one of Sinema's. It was so bad that some major republicans even came out and said that what the McSally ads were saying were not true.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 9, 2018 - 09:03am PT
Yeah, maybe you’re right, 10b. Hard to say for sure which way McCain might prefer. No doubt he’d be disgusted by the options, esp. the one in his own Party.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 9, 2018 - 09:28am PT
Trump continues to drain that swamp!

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-whitaker-ftc-20181109-story.html#nt=oft-Recommender%20Chain~Generic%20card~timed-report-duplicate~whitaker-651a~~1~yes-art~curated~curatedpage

When federal investigators were digging into an invention-promotion company accused of fraud by customers, they sought information in 2017 from a prominent member of the company's advisory board: Matthew Whitaker, a former U.S. attorney in Iowa.

...In the end, the FTC filed a complaint against Miami-based World Patent Marketing, accusing it of misleading investors and falsely promising that it would help them patent and profit from their inventions, according to court filings.

In May, a federal court in Florida ordered the company to pay a settlement of more than $25 million and close up shop, records show. The company did not admit nor deny wrongdoing.

..."It's really upsetting to know that guy will be attorney general," said Ryan Masti, 26, who lost $77,000 after paying World Patent Marketing to help him bring to market his idea for a social media app to help the disabled. "It's so offensive. It's like a stab in the back."
...

According to the FTC, however, the company falsely promised clients it would patent and market their ideas in exchange for hefty fees — and then pocketed the money.

"For the last three years, Defendants have operated an invention-promotion scam that has bilked thousands of consumers out of millions of dollars," the agency alleged in a recently unsealed court filing. "In truth and in fact, Defendants fail to fulfill almost every promise they make to consumers."
...

The Miami New Times, which published an in-depth investigation of the company last year, reported that Cooper would sometimes tell people who had posted negative reviews of the company that he had security with specialized training in the Israeli martial art Krav Maga.

In an August 2015 email included in court documents, Whitaker wrote to a complainant who threatened to go to the Better Business Bureau, "I am assuming you understand that there could be serious civil and criminal consequences for you." He noted he was a former U.S. attorney.
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