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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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One can live more efficiently in a big city.
Possibly, but at the expense of ones quality of life and mental health?
Not possibly, definitely.
Yeah it is personal preference. Plenty of down sides to rural living, that is why it is so much cheaper to live in rural areas.
There is a interesting window into urban/rural stress levels. Gun ownership rates
The primary reason giving for gun ownership is protection. Are rural dwellers more fearful than urban dwellers? Fear would equal stress, right? The rationale for the difference could be that urban dwellers are closer to help when it is needed. Doesn't this contribute to a higher quality of living for urban dwellers?
Transportation - car breaks down in the boonies, you are screwed. No Uber, no bus, no subway. not good.
Medical care - much better in the city. Boonies, you take what you can get.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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'6 in 10'? I bet it's more like 8 in 10 (at least) in the rural area I live in. People in this little mountain town used to pride themselves that they could leave doors unlocked...but not any longer. Crime and other sketchiness is waaaaay up in recent years. It's not fear....it's being realistic about the fact things have changed.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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If we lived that close to Hemet/San Jacinto, I'd lock the doors too.
Roger that! Hemet’s motto: MMGA (Make Meth Great Again)
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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The eco trophy ranches might be good if we had the right to roam laws they have in Britain and Scandihoovia. In those countries you don't have yahoos with guns shooting at everything. I've had to abort hiking trips on the west side of the Sierra because of a half dozen idiots who thought the trailhead would be a great place to go fire their guns.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2018 - 11:19am PT
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By their teeth you will know them.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 5, 2018 - 10:05am PT
The primary reason giving for gun ownership is protection. Are rural dwellers more fearful than urban dwellers? Fear would equal stress, right? The rationale for the difference could be that urban dwellers are closer to help when it is needed. Doesn't this contribute to a higher quality of living for urban dwellers?
That's some convoluted thinking.
Thanks for the laugh.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Fat Dad, hunting is still legal over there, the big differences being that you must have most of yer teeth and you have to take a slew of safety courses and pass a knowledge test of the laws. To wit, Rool One being: Thou may not blast away wherever thou desirest.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Right to roam?
Not on my trophy ranch.
Some guy shot up my no trespassing sign and I replaced it in hours (broken window theory) and I added a bunch.
I fenced the range maggots out, and put out water and salt licks for the pronghorns, making for healthier rangeland.
I can't save everyone but some family come first. I'm not elitist, just practical.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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The eco trophy ranches might be good if we had the right to roam laws they have in Britain and Scandihoovia.
I doubt those countries have nearly as many white trash bubbas and tweakers, as we do.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Culture "wars" going on here in central O. Here's a nice sign along the road to Smith Rock in Terrebone:
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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In Britain and Scandihoovia toothless rednecks (there are some) don’t generally go tramping or hiking, as it were. Land owners there may not like it but
A. It’s the bloody law
B. People are generally well behaved and appreciative of their rights.
I realize that wouldn’t work here, for a variety of reasons, BUT IT COULD!
Hikers are a decent lot and with a little education they could be learned up to close gates and behave. Given that they would be a benefit to land owners if they acted as extra eyes and ears and had the sac to report nefariousness. I know it’s a pipe dream.
BTW, I forget the stats but every year in Britain something like 6 walkers are killed by cows!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"If we lived that close to Hemet/San Jacinto, I'd lock the doors too."
And Banning...and Indio...and Beaumont...and Anza...
We're surrounded. But truly, it didn't use to be that way- Idyllwild really use to have an actual 'wild' feel to it, and was not very known. And there was a time that even Hemet was a coveted place to live, esp. for retired folk looking for a good place for their twilight years...
But not anymore. This town is just barely 'rural'- resident populations prolly won't increase much in the future, but visitation just keeps going up and up.
Gotta keep the homestead protected these days....
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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It depends, from a casual observer's POV it probably isn't really discernible because humans tend to anthropomorphize when musing about the landscape, environs and animals, as if they were once one in a past life.... Water rights(all kinds of fun stuff here that might surprise some), hydrologic functions, invasive species, habitat and land(ownership/use) adjacency issues are large pieces of this pie and are the topics I'd start to look at first and not in the order I presented them. It isn't an easy question to answer and can turn into a pretty cool thread to read and learn from.
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couchmaster
climber
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How about the "pioneer woman" TV show chick. She has a cooking show. 430,000 acres they own and the government allegedly pays them $2 million a year so burros and wild horses can roam the place.
http://www.Invasivespecies.com ?
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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It is what it is. High rollers buying property. Not much different than Tompkins and Chouinard buying spreads in Patagonia/Chile. All depends on the stewardship.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2018 - 03:18pm PT
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Good call Moose...I am one of many who made their money elsewhere and then moved to a “very particular” rural area to enjoy, in my case, the mountain/desert environment. A trophy rancher in miniature.
Generally speaking, rural people worldwide have a much tougher life than urban folks. Poverty is rampant and many goods cost much more. Rural people tend to have poorer health and shorter life spans than their urban counterparts.
The rural people in Patagonian Chile, where I have a house, make half of what people in Santiago pull in and pay far more for basics like food and fuel.
The idea that rural people live happy and healthy lives in an idyllic setting is largely a myth. Having said that, I realize that there are many exceptions to this basic truth...especially in America.
Many here on ST who now live in special places of their choice (like me) paid their dues and earned their way in far more urban settings.
In Pakistan you don’t see the goiters from iodine insufficiency and the rotten teeth with city folk that you see with their rural fellow citizens and this is commonplace throughout the world.
Edit: it is commonly thought that Chouinard is a large landowner in Patagonia like his late friend Doug Tompkins. Not true...Chouinard spends quality time there fly fishing and visiting wild places but he is not a large landowner. I am sure he is a major contributer to “Tompkins Conservation” a fund established by Doug and Kris.
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Edit: it is commonly thought that Chouinard is a large landowner in Patagonia like his late friend Doug Tompkins. Not true...Chouinard spends quality time there fly fishing and visiting wild places but he is not a large landowner. I am sure he is a major contributer to “Tompkins Conservation” a fund established by Doug and Kris.
Jim, I did not mean my post to be a dig. My point was "stewardship". I don't care who buys land as long as they practice good stewardship. I stand corrected on Chouinard's holdings in SA.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2018 - 03:38pm PT
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Understood...YC certainly stands out in stewardship.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Taxes are too low when there are scads of rich SOB's able to buy up whole swaths of land out of their pocket change. We need more school, healthcare, and infrastructure spending, not tax breaks for the richest few.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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It wouldn't work here because of GUNS.
Tut, you need to get out more. There are plenty of guns in Scandinavia and Britain.
They just don’t lug them around when they go hiking. Come to think of it I don’t see
many American hikers packing, do you?
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