Why do people choose hate?

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Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber

moving thru

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2018 - 05:32pm PT

Power Crux, I don't believe this Thread is weak sauce. If it was I would never have started it.

The fact this Thread is here is speaking up and facing hatred.

There are posts here that are kinda squishy, muddled, neither for nor against hatred. Asking why? How can one support hatred? What good does it work? Who does it help? Hate doesn't even work in behalf of those that hate.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Sands Motel , Las Vegas

Oct 27, 2018 - 05:39pm PT

Fishing baters are rarely haters...

Aeriq

Social climber

Location: It's a MisterE

Oct 27, 2018 - 05:48pm PT

Why do people choose fear, leading to hatred ?

Ignorance.

I disagree - there are intelligent people that choose hate to foment, as a social conduit to power.

That is not "ignorance" - but I do agree it is fear-based.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Oct 27, 2018 - 05:56pm PT

It starts with hate. Then we dehumanize (makes hate easier) Once dehumanized we can dispose of the object of hate with a clear conscience. Both individuals and governments take the same path, albeit different methods.

blahblah

Gym climber

Boulder

Oct 27, 2018 - 06:03pm PT

Who knows what motivates these whackos.

To me, the Pittsburgh shooter and the guy who mailed the bombs recently seem more like deranged lunatics than more-or-less rational people who hate that I think the OP is thinking of (Nazis, KKK, muslim fanatics who want to kill all the Jews, etc.)

Unfortunately these lunatics get guns or other weapons and cause a lot of damage, it's really hard to say how to stop them.

Aeriq

Social climber

Location: It's a MisterE

Oct 27, 2018 - 06:06pm PT

Thanks, Eric.

Using hatred as a tool to make people tow the line in pursuit of power is a policy maneuver and somewhat different from an individual's bias.

I knew what you meant Jim - the Hater-in-Chief would be much less without it.

wilbeer

Mountain climber

Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,

Oct 27, 2018 - 06:06pm PT

There is a HUGE Elephant in this room and everyone here knows it.

These are not competent ,sane people committing these offenses,all they need is a little to set off.

Hence the Elephant.

SC seagoat

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone

Oct 27, 2018 - 06:34pm PT

These are not competent ,sane people committing these offenses,all they need is a little to set off.

I’m not sure I agree with that anymore. Certainly the “little to set off” but when I consider competence and sanity I’m not so sure they’re lacking in that in the way we used to think. My thoughts are that these folks have somehow embraced a “savior” or “hero” mindset and a set of values that has gone so far askew from mainstream values...and the current political rhetoric and climate incubate it.

Susan

wilbeer

Mountain climber

Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,

Oct 27, 2018 - 06:40pm PT

Maybe Susan,I for one believe any one who would kill innocent folks with a gun is insane. Really

Regardless of their savior.

wilbeer

Mountain climber

Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,

Oct 27, 2018 - 06:45pm PT

Did I mention gutless as well.

ron gomez

Trad climber

Oct 27, 2018 - 06:56pm PT

Lynnie, my thoughts are...it takes far more EFFORT to hate. I try to ask for strength to forgive...it is easier to forgive and accept. Get on back here... you, me n Kelly need to share more food n wine. Great bottle the other night by the way. Thank you and Rodger!
Peace

Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber

moving thru

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2018 - 07:02pm PT

Went for a hike with the youngun's. If you want to see life and clear your head it's a marvelous way to do it. Thank God for the outdoors and kiddos.

Lot's of posts which will stir my brain tonight. Thanks all. This is a serious, very serious topic.

Aeriq

Social climber

Location: It's a MisterE

Oct 27, 2018 - 07:17pm PT

Hahaha Ron Gomez!

The shining beacon

who can't understand how

it is easy to hate.

This is the good stuff.

zBrown

Ice climber

Oct 27, 2018 - 07:23pm PT

Pittsburgh guy is 46, has apparently had guns for a long time, has history of making a anti Semitic remarks.

Seems more like a fear crime than a hate crime.

What I'm wondering is what sparked him off.

The caption to Bowers' post read, "Why hello there HIAS! You like to bring in hostile invaders to dwell among us

Bale

Mountain climber

Oct 27, 2018 - 07:33pm PT

Lynne, you remind me of my sister, kind and empathetic almost to a fault. The world could use more good people like you.

wilbeer

Mountain climber

Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,

Oct 27, 2018 - 07:47pm PT

I have to say,it is not a good feeling to feel like a Dick for condemning murders like this.

No need to post here again.

WBraun

climber

Oct 27, 2018 - 07:58pm PT

In the material world, hate is only an imperfect reflection of pure love .......

MikeL

Social climber

Southern Arizona

Oct 27, 2018 - 08:06pm PT

johntp; Hate is from ignorance and feeling hopeless.

I disagree. I’ve been in both places for years and never got to a state of hate. (“What a thing you make of me” is something I think Shakespeare said.)

Jon Beck: It starts with hate. Then we dehumanize (makes hate easier) Once dehumanized we can dispose of the object of hate with a clear conscience.

Viktor Frankl said and proved it could be different. Dehumanization comes from savage times, I can tell you. People find ways to overcome their experiences, but it’s very challenging. We had a guy on a football team in high school we called, Baby Huey. (Know the comic book character? Big, dumb, and all heart.) After getting wounded three times one after the other, the Army gave him a free 30 day R&R. He went home to his wife and kid he hadn’t seen. He put the kid in scalding hot water to toughen it up. Sweet Jesus.