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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 18, 2018 - 08:03am PT
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You had better hope your friends and family have the former because the State will no longer provide the latter.
It's like Fuk You Part A (the tax cuts for the wealthy) and Fuk You Part B (the dismantling of the The New Deal and the Great Society).
Through the recent and calculated expansion of the deficit and national debt, an atmosphere of economic panic will be manipulated to change public sentiment regarding entitlements.
My single mom waited tables, came home late at night and struggled to feed three children. Yet public assistance allowed her to go to real estate school and by diligence and hard work she became financially successful. As a result, we as a family have offset that government investment many times over by way of consumption and tax revenue.
With the help of Hospice and Medicare, I was able to take care of my Dad in his last months of life. Without this assistance I would have had a brutal choice- temporarily close my business and layoff my employees or leave my Dad to the State and let his meager estate rack up huge debt. Fortunately I had to do neither and we scrapped through and I was there the for him to the end. Thanks to the assistance provided by the State the economy enjoyed the participation of my company and employees throughout. Meanwhile, how many corporations have sought forbearance through Chapter 11 Bankruptcy?
I fear that these calculations will not be part of tbe debate so climb safe folks and treat your children well- you'll need them.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Oct 18, 2018 - 08:07am PT
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and people who vote republican will be hurt the most because they didn't see it coming.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 18, 2018 - 08:19am PT
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The undereducated core of the Trump base will suffer most because they are most in need of a safety net. They are driven more by nativism, xenophobia and racism than by their real self interests which they are too ignorant to recognize.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 18, 2018 - 08:43am PT
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What he said.
.. but they will also not 😩’get’ why they are in the boat they will float in
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 18, 2018 - 09:23am PT
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Historically there will always be hell to pay.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Oct 18, 2018 - 09:33am PT
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McConnell is to blame for carrying on with this charade.
You are transparent to us Mitch.
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Trump
climber
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Oct 18, 2018 - 12:26pm PT
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Nicely said. Thanks for your care and kindness to your family.
Hope we can plan to have some mercy and forebearance for those Trump voters when they need it from us. If we the government aren’t going to take care of other people, it’s going to be left to we the people to do it.
Let’s plan to be up to the job, the same way you were for your dad, and the same way we hope our kids will be for us.
When times are tough we don’t need to retreat to a smaller tribe, the way the current political climate is encouraging us all to do, we need to build our sense of belonging to a bigger tribe.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2018 - 12:53pm PT
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Wow Trump, words to live by. Thank you!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 18, 2018 - 01:05pm PT
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Jim, having an ear to both sides I really believe it's more complex than your sentence, much more complex. If only both "sides" would try to understand the concerns of each and then find middle ground. I think that's what Mohatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. sought. To alienate or cut off dialogue accomplishes nothing.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 18, 2018 - 01:44pm PT
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Very complex issue. I don't know if attempting to hash it out on the ST is a fruitful approach.
The motivations of Trump, McConnell and Ryan are all verrrry suspect.
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cragnshag
Social climber
Gilroy
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Oct 18, 2018 - 01:52pm PT
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The Republican senators/congresspeople and Democrat senators/congresspeople are one and the same, really. They whip up their bases with their party rhetoric - as evidenced by the political discourse here on the Taco.
But when it comes down to it, these politicians are all wealthy elites who belong to the same golf clubs, send their kids to the same private schools, and enjoy the same recent tax cuts for the wealthy.
Their primary mission is to get re-elected. Then they use their power and influence to make more money for themselves and their family. Which seems to be what most humans do, given the chance. Who here is against making more money and providing a better life for their family? So we have to acknowledge that this behavior is normal and find creative ways to get these politicians to put country first, personal gain second.
One thing is for sure, they (R's and D's together) are borrowing us into oblivion. Bill Clinton (and congress at the time) were the only politicians in the past 50 years to make the debt clock run backwards, if only for a short while. It has been running forward ever since and seems to gain speed with every new administration.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
At least the R's and D's agree on one thing: keeping the masses whipped up as a distraction from the bigger problems of fiscal mismanagement.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 18, 2018 - 02:06pm PT
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Lynne, you may recall that when Obama came to office he tried to reach out to the other side. He spoke loftily about the good of the nation and working together, through compromise, for the betterment of all.
The republicans in congress shut him down completely...there was no small amount of racism involved. The republican party, in it’s current iteration, is intellectually and morally bankrupt.
They have shown no inclination to work for the common good and they have made concerted efforts to end or curtail programs that benefit the less fortunate....a pax to them!
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Tom Patterson
Trad climber
Seattle
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Oct 18, 2018 - 02:09pm PT
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In the meantime, perhaps we can find a way to flip McConnell onto his back? Once a turtle has been turned upside down, they'll spend all their energy--unsuccessfully--trying to right themselves. It'd be a way to keep him sidelined.
I don't know...just spitballin'...could be just crazy enough to work.
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Tom Patterson
Trad climber
Seattle
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Oct 18, 2018 - 02:10pm PT
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And contractor: Thanks for painting such a vivid picture of what you'll never hear from anyone in the GOP, and for the heartfelt and moving picture of how your family benefited from assistance, and how you cared for your dad.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Oct 18, 2018 - 02:48pm PT
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A good point, Jim, and just what I'm seeing. Neither of the Dos Grandes wants to talk. Not during Obama's time and not now. It will someday cost both parties. I hope not our nation.
I still firmly believe if some common sense people were in government with no links to greed and/or power our nation would thrive. If not, it could be a pox to all.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Oct 18, 2018 - 03:16pm PT
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Go to another part of the world and see how terrible the system is here.
We have terrible first-world problems, and we have everyone to blame for them.
(We put our mother into hospice many years ago. Remarkably, she got better and now lives in her own apartment, with some service support.)
It's sort of like when you get cancer. At first, you feel as though the entire universe has singled you out for pain and suffering. If you make it out of that with all of your experience (physical and mental insults), you come to realize that much of what you have gone through, occur to many many other people--and in many of those instances far worse.
Relax. Just be here now.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 18, 2018 - 03:17pm PT
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Lynne, I have been to around 60 countries and my takeaway has been that the common people I meet are better than their governments. If people in government genuinely served to the best of their ability for the betterment of their people the world would be a better place. As we all know, that is not generally the case.
Having said that, I also believe that in multi party systems we do have choices that can make a difference. My cynicism doesn’t extend to the point where I think that it doesn’t matter who is in power. The abysmal performance (in so many ways) of the Republican Party has made it an easy choice for me.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Oct 18, 2018 - 03:28pm PT
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donini: . . . my takeaway has been that the common people I meet are better than their governments.
What does this mean? Individuals are better than groups? People with no authority and responsibility are better than those who have authority and responsibility? Huh?
Maybe you could cite some respectable research or sumthin?
If people in government genuinely served to the best of their ability for the betterment of their people the world would be a better place. As we all know, that is not generally the case.
You don’t know either of these. The last conclusion is specious and begs the question. How could one know such things and make conclusive claims?
You’re venting.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 18, 2018 - 03:33pm PT
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Lynne, you may recall that when Obama came to office he tried to reach out to the other side. He spoke loftily about the good of the nation and working together, through compromise, for the betterment of all.
The republicans in congress shut him down completely
That's a nice talking point. Unfortunately it's not true. He told the GOP leadership to take a hike when they pushed for changes in the Recovery Act.
"I won."
The message was clear. It set the tone.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Oct 18, 2018 - 03:35pm PT
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Jim, having an ear to both sides I really believe it's more complex than your sentence, much more complex. If only both "sides" would try to understand the concerns of each and then find middle ground. I think that's what Mohatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. sought. To alienate or cut off dialogue accomplishes nothing. Lynne, Your message should be communicated to the GOP; and your references to Gandhi, and King will not resonate with said members of the aforementioned party.
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