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thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Oct 11, 2018 - 09:23pm PT
once a traildog always a traildog....
Aeriq

Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
Oct 11, 2018 - 09:31pm PT
^^Hell Yeah!

Some major metal and 4X8 steps were pieced together to get to some classics & a few of my crappy routes at Smith Rock!

Direct line to the base of Snuffy Smith - appreciate the work, but wow!


Overkill & smudged camera.
Overkill & smudged camera.
Credit: Aeriq
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Oct 11, 2018 - 10:17pm PT
Doesn't seem like overkill compared to what 10 years of approach would do to the approach given the popularity of smith rock. i can imagine if you've built a somewhat flat belay there it would constantly be eaten away from below without some sort of help.
Hardly Visible

Social climber
Llatikcuf WA
Oct 11, 2018 - 11:17pm PT
16 years on Olympic NP trail crew, I guess you could say I am into it. I would have to do some serious scanning to really delve into stuff that I did. Here's one I already shared on the cool bridges thread a while back some pictures of a bridge that a friend and I built at Kalaloch about 20 years ago featuring a lot of curvy and knarly driftwood elements.

Credit: Hardly Visible

Credit: Hardly Visible

Credit: Hardly Visible

Credit: Hardly Visible

geological point of interest, the bottom of these sandstone beds are t...
geological point of interest, the bottom of these sandstone beds are to the right
Credit: Hardly Visible
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Oct 11, 2018 - 11:50pm PT
Some of us lose our humanity to alcohol. Some to opiods. Some to other drugs.

I think your trail-building addiction, while just as out-of-control as any of the above-mentioned addictions, might be a bit less destructive.

Build on!
Aeriq

Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
Oct 12, 2018 - 05:25am PT
Very cool, Kevin! Love the driftwood elements! I bet you know my ex-girl Rebecca then! She is on that crew, I think...

A couple years back when Skip and I were at Patricia Bowl, we noticed faint trails cris-crossing everywhere, so we spent a full day making a dedicated trail from the shoulder through the talus and making benches at the "Hang-out" spot.

Skip working on the Patricia Bowl trail.
Skip working on the Patricia Bowl trail.
Credit: Aeriq

Benches at P-Bowl.
Benches at P-Bowl.
Credit: Aeriq
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Oct 12, 2018 - 06:48am PT
Thanks for this topic!

There are many classic crags that have crappy trails leading up to, or down from the climbs. Taquitz is an example- the climbers trail from the lot is good until you reach a certain point and then you get the feel your following a herd of water buffalo. Same thing on the descent of the South Face near Open Book and the Northeast Gully. These areas are beat down and denuded with a web of semi paths. I suppose this is because people are there to climb and it's National Forest and trail work is prohibited.

Sh!tty trails create way more work in the form of maintenance and restoration than the original effort and usually are unsustainable and often abandoned when an alternate and equally sh!tty trail is grubbed out.

A good trail may be heavy handed in it's original effort but it keeps the masses concentrated and out of the forest for the most part. There's nothing like a nice trail when heading home by headlamp, tired and beat.

Some things to consider when putting in a trail:

Put the trial on side slope.

Follow the half slope rule.

Maintain the outslope or knock off the downhill burm.

Weave the trail through obstacles to keep mountain bikers away.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.fs.fed.us/t-d/pubs/pdfpubs/pdf07232806/pdf07232806dpi72.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjvquKW_YDeAhVhMX0KHTdxDqgQFjAAegQIABAB&usg=AOvVaw22vIuMJAaX186BCnq-329V
Aeriq

Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
Oct 12, 2018 - 07:39am PT
Well said, Contractor!

Sometimes you have to go all "Little John" on climbers blocking your way.

"Hey, You! Get off my bridge!" (with BAd Climber):

Bridge Battle!
Bridge Battle!
Credit: Aeriq
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Oct 12, 2018 - 09:17am PT
Weave the trail through obstacles to keep mountain bikers away.
That's a shetty entitled attitude.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Oct 12, 2018 - 10:22am PT
That's a shetty entitled attitude.
in regards to climber trails to climbing locations- yes, 100% sh!tty attitude.
Roots

Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
Oct 12, 2018 - 11:52am PT
^ Yeah, I agree...climber trails should be for climbing not MTB.
Risk

Mountain climber
Marooned, 855 miles from Tuolumne Meadows
Oct 12, 2018 - 12:51pm PT
Old School Yosemite Rip-rap
Old School Yosemite Rip-rap
Credit: Risk

Now, for my 2017 project - "troop construction"

Credit: Risk

All hand labor whenever possible
All hand labor whenever possible
Credit: Risk

The pour
The pour
Credit: Risk

all hand dug
all hand dug
Credit: Risk

6 months after construction
6 months after construction
Credit: Risk

Credit: Risk

Credit to the 555TH EN BDE for hardly harming this wetland or creek at all, and for a trail bridge up there with the best at NPS or USFS.
https://www.facebook.com/555enbde/
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Oct 12, 2018 - 01:34pm PT
Nice bridge!
Aeriq

Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
Oct 12, 2018 - 05:56pm PT
Risk - that looks awesome!

I totally get the hard work - this one took us a week!

I don't even know why I do this it is so exhausting:

Bridge to Parcher's Bluff.
Bridge to Parcher's Bluff.
Credit: Aeriq

We are prone to getting up at twelve and starting work at one,
we take an hour for lunch, and then at two we're done!

Trail and platforming on a steep slope above for the same area:

Credit: Aeriq

A fun little granite crag that I put 9, soon to be 10 routes up on:

https://www.mountainproject.com/area/112482832/parchers-bluff





i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Oct 15, 2018 - 02:32am PT
if the terrain is such that it is not suitable for bikes (which admittedly is usually the case) then that thinking makes sense but there is no reason to intentionally leave out a user group that could otherwise take advantage of a trail.

summer in the city of rocks. we took our bikes to site 18 i think it worked out awesome.


a little area 10 miles above my house. shuttling stuff up steep bike trails made it possible. These trails were made possible by a number of groups, including TAMBA.
http://www.powdork.com/2015/a-little-fun-in-the-back-yard/


even the link you posted included a ton of info on how to make trails sustainable for bikes as well.


the point is, at least here, not everything has to be hidden and groups can coexist, and even create symbiotic relationships.
The owner of this website is the single largest benefactor of TAMBA (Tahoe Area Mountain Biking Association). They also have a huge contingent of volunteers (myself included) that work on trails in conjunction with the Forest Service and sometimes private groups. And it's good to have friends when the time for advocacy comes.




Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Oct 15, 2018 - 05:53am PT
Well said and good points.

Eagle Peak in San Diego is a crag that is efficiently accessed by mountain bike on an existing road bed.

If a trail is put in to a crag that does not take an existing line, has steep sections that are prone to erosion and is less than a couple of miles- just walk. There's plenty of bike trails out there.

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