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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 8, 2018 - 07:00pm PT
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Hi gang, I want to go pretty light for a 3rd class summit out of Cedar Grove, something like Mt Francis Farquhar.
I envision having a a small pack like a BD bullet and minimal emergency weather gear, and really don't want to carry a bear canister. I'm not studly enough to just bang it out with non-stop motion, so I anticipate having a few "naps" along the way of a car-to-car mission.
Do you:
A) Sleep with food in yer pockets and hope for the best?
B) Bring a ripstop nylon sack and paracord and sling a tree?
C) Bring a bigger backpack and food in a bear canister and stash it half or two thirds into the approach for a pick-me-up on the way back?
Ideas or experiences of others appreciated.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Man, you humans just don't get it...
Before you go, talk to one of us. Let us know what you're planning. And, you know, pre-place a few caches of cookies and sausages and such along the way. Of course we know that you won't need anything stashed along your route, but if you put a few goodies along the way for us, we'll be there to help you in any way we can.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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A bag far up in a tree away from the trunk and not near any big branches. We hang bells from the cord as an alarm as some bbs around here have figured out the cord thing.
No food in the tent.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Rub a stuff sack in bear sh#t. This can be found in any woods in bear country, then place your food in the sack and sally forth.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Yes...."B"
And wind up 50 feet of 15 pound test fishing line inside of the ripstop bag. There's your answer. Total weight, less than two Advil.
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jfr
Mountain climber
32N 117W
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Most ultralight PCT hikers only carry bear cans if they're forced to. The rest of the time they keep it close by, in the tent with them. This is the "Defend Your Food" strategy (doesn't work on Grizzlies, only Black Bears). Don't leave your pack unattended either - bears know that packs contain treasure and will drag them away and loot them at a safe distance.
But you probably won't even see a bear once you get to higher elevation - the bears are all raiding campsites down in Cedar Grove!
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WBraun
climber
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Fresh cigarette buts mask everything.
Bears hate em.
I never had a bear attack any vehicle I had with food in it.
Had bears attack vehicle on each side of mine and mine remain untouched.
I'm NOT guaranteeing anything but only speaking from experience.
Where you are going might have smokin bear though .....
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 8, 2018 - 08:34pm PT
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Thanks micro for the fishing line idea.
I'll look into those ursack things too.
Good idea with cigarette butts for smokers, but that cure is worse than the disease for me! I'd rather just plan to run out of food by the time I need to take a nap, which is not a bad idea.
Bear sh!t on the bag... that is a pretty good idea! Good enough that I can see investing some time to experiment in the future. What does a bear do when he smells good and bad? It seems animals in general are less repelled by their feces than we humans tend to be.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Oct 8, 2018 - 07:12pm PT
City people are funny
You can say that again.
Bring a dog. Best bear deterrent hands down.
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John M
climber
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once you get away from the heavy use areas the bears aren't as habituated. I lived in Yosemite for 25 years and hiked or ran many of the trails and scrambled all over the place. I also like to take naps and never had a problem with a bear. Except in places like the grand canyon of the Tuolumne, or little Yosemite valley.
I have had a number of bear experiences though. Walking home one night in Wawona without a flashlight on a night without a moon I actually ran into a bear. I was creeping along the road trying to feel my way and ran into something that was furry and waist high to me. It jumped. I jumped. And then it ran out from under the trees that we were under and into a meadow where I could see that it was a bear.
On one of my first backpack trips we went down into the grand canyon of the Tuolumne. I had a bear stand over the top of me while I was sleeping and go through my pack. It was unzipped and our food was hung in a tree, but it walked over me and nosed through my pack which was leaning against a log at my head. Rookie mistake. hahaha..
I have been bluff charged multiple times and have chased bears out of the Wawona Hotel with a mop.
the main time that they are dangerous is when they are cornered or have cubs.
I would be more concerned about where I parked my car and what I left in it.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 8, 2018 - 08:50pm PT
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edit: nice stories John!
I've had a bear call my bluff when I charged it in the middle of the night, 13 miles from the nearest road (near Valhalla area on High Sierra Trail), but it held its ground and stared at me while eating my stuff (it was hung too close to a branch that he crawled up and out to slice the bag). Next morning I chased it out of some bushes and was able reclaim a bag of someone else's fishing gear and trash from others, but my stuff was consumed. I've woken up two nights in a row with bears straddling my head and sniffing my face (no food with me) in Tuolumne Meadows campground.
I'd prefer to avoid reenactments when I'm by myself and there's nobody to hear me scream ;)
The common thread is highly trafficked spots where bears associate human activity and food. Being off the beaten path should help.
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John M
climber
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Once they get your food thats kind of it.
years ago my family was camping in Crane Flat campground and we woke to a woman screaming. She was sleeping outside and had cold cream on her face and a bear was licking her face. It just kept licking while she screamed. hahaha.. what a scene.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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This napping idea sounds bad. Without a bunch of extra weight, you’ll get cold and your energy will drain. Go in rested, get up early, keep moving until you arrive back at the car.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Most ultralight PCT hikers only carry bear cans if they're forced to.
Most UL PCT hikers would die if they got more than 10 feet off the trail.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Werner has it - rub all of your essentials with stinky azz bar butts - cigs from strip bars are especially nasty so use those if you are daring.
If too much for your delicate soul - then at least chow down some Trader Joe's B100 Complex tabs and then pee on all of your gear. The acrid smell of rancid B's with the manly stench of your Alpha Male urine will deter bears, moose, marmots and flannel clad people driving Subarus.
Your food might vaguely taste like wee -but conjure up thoughts of cilantro and you'll be fine you wuss.
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skywalker1
Trad climber
co
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Ricky D's idea was the first to come to mind. Never hear of the cigarette butt thing but seems reasonable. I don't mind my own pee so much, its sterile. Someones cig butts maybe not so much. Wash your stuff when you get home.
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David Knopp
Trad climber
CA
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Second the opsak/ursak combo. Just used that very thing by falls ridge, and no one seemed to come near it, not even critters.
I like naps too when going car to car but sometimes if you're super hashed it can be hard to wake up without coffee or tea or whatever, if it's cold and dark-then you end up with a tiny stove and and and next thing you know your pack is huge. have fun!
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
The fake McCoy from nevernever land.
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I pee a perimeter around my area. The bears can smell I mean business and leave me alone .YMMV.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Hi NutAgain,
Curious, (1) what's your thinking on Farquhar as opposed to others? (2) From the maps, it looks like it offers cool ridges, a semi traverse even, and maybe some fun fifth (for a later trip?) in addition to awesome views. (3) When would you be going, this fall?
If it's just for two or three days during Indian Summer like weather, why not just a day pack stuffed with goodies? In that terrain, I don't think I'd be worrying about bears at all. Alone, pretty much just shifting talus and cardiac arrest. (And yellow jackets, lol.)
I'm jealous. Have fun.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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A can of bear spray weighs what, 4 ounces? 🙄
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mebbe you’ve been buying the chink knockoff brands?
About half the stuff on Amazon now is fake.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Carry a can. A fed bear is a dead bear. Talk to a ranger, they hate shooting bears. They should make the dopes who are too lazy to carry a can in the parks shoot the bears.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Obviously a trip in this time of year, with or without an Indian Summer, would mean shorter days and longer (colder) nights. That would give me second thoughts about such a trip for more than a day with just a day pack.
All this talk about bears (black) at the location NutAgain posts about? Why? The odds, it seems to me, are just as good bumping into rattle snakes. Pretty negligible.
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P.S.
Curious if anyone has ever seen, or even heard about, a black bear up in the Iceberg Lake area of Mt Whitney? Where's Cragman, lol!
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Roots
Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
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Ursack...REI even sells them now. UL!
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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If a bear gets a hold of your Ursack filled with food it's going to chew and smash said Ursack, its contents, and likely carry it far away if you're not tethering it down with something unchewable like kevlar cord. A better selling point is keeping out rodents/birds from your hanging sack.
So if bears are around, still hang the Ursack away from where they can reach.
And on bear spray... it's only a matter of time until you spray yourself, which sucks really badly, so... note the wind.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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kevlar bear bag will add 8 ounces
https://www.ursack.com/
I"m a believer in these things also. They don't add that much weight. They will keep squirrels and other rodents out of your food. If you are worried that they aren't 100% bear-proof, you can still combine it with any other ideas such as hanging it from a tree.
Yes, you want to make sure that the bear can't carry the bag off.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Mebbe you’ve been buying the chink knockoff brands?
About half the stuff on Amazon now is fake.
It's real stuff... to be effective there has to be a huge volume of stuff sprayed out at significant velocities to hit something 20-30 feet away which is no small feat. Unfortunately that chemical and propellant weighs quite a bit.
FWIW, waiting for a charging bear to get within 30 feet is not a good time and 30 feet is about 1/4 second in bear speed. Firearm backups, if possible, are always a good thing.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Naps???
You worry too much.
And, sleep too much. Just bring more caffeine and a can of bear spray if you are still scared of a little black bear.
Sack Up!
Now grizzly country, that's a whole different issue . . .
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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I pee a perimeter around my area. The bears can smell I mean business and leave me alone .YMMV.
I was wondering why all the campsites smell like pee...
Keeps me away, too.
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seano
Mountain climber
none
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I'm not studly enough to just bang it out with non-stop motion,... I don't know you, but think you sell yourself short. del cross's figures of of 18 miles and 7k gain sound about right, in which case you'll be done in 13 hours if you manage 1k gain/hr on the way up, 2 mph on the way down, and 1.5 hours of stops. I've only taken cat-naps after being awake for something like 28 hours, and even then they were 10 minutes lying semi-conscious on a rock, not real sleep, so I probably would have noticed a bear approaching.
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Bargainhunter
climber
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Answer: A.
No bear is going to attack you to get the GORP, Cliff bar, orange, etc. in your stuff sack pillow.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Fuk this napping bear bait thing, this thread is full of advice from the weak.
A few bars, a few caffeinated gu, a few qts of water in a hydration pack. Start an hour before sunrise and hike until 3pm max, then turn around and hike home. Bonus if you make it. If not, then repeat until fitness improves and you summit.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2018 - 05:19pm PT
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Start an hour before sunrise and hike until 3pm max, then turn around and hike home. Bonus if you make it. If not, then repeat until fitness improves and you summit.
This sounds like the most sensible advice. If I can persuade myself to follow it ;)
I’m pretty committed to heading out this weekend, but keeping an eye on the weather too. I’m not set on destination... getting kind of excited looking at a loop around Tinemaha to Split Mountain to Bolton Brown to Birch... that would be good research for future ski trips in the area. It would probably take more time in my present physical condition, but might be doable. Well below freezing on the peaks so any precipitation I have to consider seriously.
Still evaluating options.
There’s a 4th class ridge on Gardiner that looks pretty excellent.
Whatever I do, even if my body craps out far short of my aspirations, will still be some good days in the hills.
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Bargainhunter
climber
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I read Bob Burd's car to car ascent in a day of Black Kaweah and my eyes bulged out of my head. Then I read Leor Pantilat cut another 4.5 hours off his time and and scooped the FKT at 15.5 hours. Holy sh#t. That's a LONG way in and a LONG way up and LONG way down and out. 15 hours? WTF! Rumor has it that Bob Burd hates camping, hence he does all of his peak bagging in a day.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Not advice but just my experiences up in that area: I’ve slept with food many times in that region and only once had a bear wake me up,, but that was at the popular Charlotte creek campsite.
I bet you can dayhike Farquhar without a nap. It’s a nice steady climb with good trails most of the way.
If you’re in Kings this weekend and see a dude with a wife and two little blond kids come say hi!
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seano
Mountain climber
none
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Rumor has it that Bob Burd hates camping... I have seen him camping first-hand -- it seems even Bob can get tired of grinding out the Big Arroyo approach by headlamp.
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skywalker1
Trad climber
co
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For me I wouldn't worry too much about the bears. If I Im' correct in your thinking of a long thing. Below tree line just dawn a puffy and some thing soft for your head and sleep off the trail a bit. I doubt you'll have any issues really.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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NutAgain, you're demonstrating the urban stereotype as someone else already mentioned here. Over this season alone, hiking and climbing here in WA, I've probably seen about a dozen black bear. Hundreds over the years. They are a non-issue; live and let live. Respect their space, simple as that. Not trying to be too hard on a sincere inquiry, but you should reevaluate your urban mindset--about bears and more! ;-)
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Nkane
Trad climber
San Francisco, USA
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Oct 10, 2018 - 11:57am PT
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Bears hate racists too, Reilly.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Marooned, 855 miles from Tuolumne Meadows
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Oct 10, 2018 - 01:37pm PT
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If you're at or below Sphinx Lakes, bears could be a problem. As I recall, areas above Sphinx Lakes are either too steep for bears or are boulder fields. Some of the boulder fields on the way to Brewer have rocks the size of Volkswagens! Bears aren't generally going to go up into those boulder fields or scree slopes.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 10, 2018 - 02:47pm PT
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I probably won't lose sleep over being an urbanite mountain-interloper cliche. We all have different sets of opportunities and trade-offs around which we make our life decisions. But I might lose some sleep if I shiver bivy!
At this point, I am focusing on East Ridge of Mt Gardiner via Kearsarge Pass (Onion Valley). Likely it's too much for my present conditioning, but the only way to tell is to get out there and give myself enough time to keep moving ;)
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Oct 10, 2018 - 02:55pm PT
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Traitor!
West side is the best side!!!
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Oct 10, 2018 - 07:57pm PT
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Bears aren't generally going to go up into those boulder fields or scree slopes
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 11, 2018 - 06:56am PT
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The bear that followed me up the east side of Shepherd Pass didn't seem to mind, snow, scree, or steep.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Oct 11, 2018 - 07:22am PT
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Ricky B response is right. Flannel wearing subaru drivers are risky!!! Lol
Crab is right tho. West siiiiiiiiiide!
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Risk
Mountain climber
Marooned, 855 miles from Tuolumne Meadows
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Oct 11, 2018 - 08:12am PT
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Over this season alone, hiking and climbing here in WA, I've probably seen about a dozen black bear.
Bears in Kings Canyon behave much differently than WA bears.
urban mindset
What the hell is that? Where do you live, Forks?
Delhi Dog, where is that? Sierra? what elevation? That turf of grass makes me ask. Sure ain't Agassiz Col!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 11, 2018 - 09:31am PT
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Seriously though, westside folks are just jelly because they have to hike so far to get above treeline. That said, I will stipulate that it is might nice hiking through the beautiful forests and flower-filled meadows.
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Scott Thelen
Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
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Oct 11, 2018 - 12:11pm PT
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Have fun out there! That peak is deep.
Can’t wait for the city slicker trip report.
Keep an eye out for big horn sheep.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 12, 2018 - 08:26am PT
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Ive read that in addition to peeing around where you sleep you can smear yourself with your own feces. Just remember that if smearing on with toilet paper to either burn the toilet paper or pack it out. Best practice is just to use a smooth rock.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 12, 2018 - 09:36pm PT
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I’m definitely going to use the rock method. Thanks Batrock!
And DMT, I ate a chupacanra for dinner from a kabob place in Glendale, so I just have to breathe on da bears. Heading out of Lone Pine now toward Indepndence and Onion Valley. Bears probably found me if I’m not reporting back by Tuesday.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Oct 12, 2018 - 10:54pm PT
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Delhi Dog, where is that? Sierra? what elevation? That turf of grass makes me ask. Sure ain't Agassiz Col!
Hah, those are still fond memories....gotta do it again one of these days, well maybe not the Agony Col part:-)
And, actually the bear was across from Put-in on the Hell's Canyon section of the Snake in June. There's also a cub that showed up a few minutes later.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 13, 2018 - 09:12am PT
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I was tasked with following Nuts progress on his Inreach. So far he had to fight off one bear at Charlotte Lake but is well on his way now on his planned route to Mt Gardener.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 13, 2018 - 09:53am PT
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He is off trail now and heading cross country.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 13, 2018 - 04:40pm PT
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Too funny.
Hey Batrock, is that an actual app and screen grab? Or make-believe demonstrating ST humor? Just curious.
I think NutAgain's on the hero journey: slay the dragon, steal the prize (girl or gold or ???), return to group with the goods... Report.
Go NutAgain!
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 13, 2018 - 04:56pm PT
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Thats an actual screen grab. Last location was a 1/2 mile or so from the summit of Gardiner. I have a birthday party to attend, I'll check in later tonight to see if he's still alive, I mean still moving.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 13, 2018 - 05:04pm PT
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Latest location
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 13, 2018 - 05:59pm PT
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He should be safe from Yogi up there.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Oct 13, 2018 - 07:04pm PT
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Well below freezing overnight at those elevations...
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 13, 2018 - 08:15pm PT
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Nut said he was going light, a Speedo, Vibram 5 Fingers and a Gu. I think he’ll be fine if he keeps moving.
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John M
climber
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Oct 13, 2018 - 08:28pm PT
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so his plan is to share body heat with a bear?
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 13, 2018 - 08:39pm PT
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a full rack of rabbits is best, i googled it:
The body temperature of a rabbit can differ by several degrees between individuals as well as by time of day in a particular rabbit. Because of this, the “normal” temperature range falls between 100.5 and 103.5 degrees Fahrenheit.
come on people, nutagain is a caring human
Do bunnies get attached to their owners?
Rabbits become attached to their owners , just like dogs. Some bunny signs of affection are licking their owners hand, following them, and circling them.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 13, 2018 - 09:02pm PT
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He’s still on the move, current speed would indicate he’s being chased. Or maybe he’s hallucinating and thinks he sees a Wholefoods ahead at Gardiner Lake and is picking up the pace to get there before closing.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Oct 13, 2018 - 09:09pm PT
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He didn’t even bring a picnic basket to confuse any following bears. Dude is BOLD
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 13, 2018 - 09:15pm PT
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2041 and he’s going downhill in the dark? Doesn’t he know it’s an old wives’ tale
that you can outrun a bear going downhill? 😬
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 13, 2018 - 09:27pm PT
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Batrock is nice and warm at home in Burbank, the trad climbing center of the universe. Nut Again is currently on his knees on the shore of Gardiner Lake in tears after realizing Wholefoods was a mirage.
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Aeriq
Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
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Oct 14, 2018 - 07:08am PT
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^^STALKER! LOL.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 14, 2018 - 07:59am PT
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Nut said he slept a little cold. He said DaBrim didn’t keep him as warm as he thought it would. He said he will be upgrading to a fleece DaBrim when he gets home.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 14, 2018 - 08:06am PT
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ya gotta shave the rabbits!
well, maybe just one side
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 14, 2018 - 02:16pm PT
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As of 2:15 Nut is at Rae Lakes and looks to be heading back out towards Kearsage.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 14, 2018 - 02:19pm PT
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whenever we are in Bear country I put the honey in Isa's back pack ;)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 14, 2018 - 03:31pm PT
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Isa ready for bear This is the very tame version of this photo.. ;)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 14, 2018 - 04:34pm PT
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Is that an out-take from that new movie “For A Few Paisleys More”?
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Aeriq
Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
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Oct 14, 2018 - 04:59pm PT
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I never take more than the bear necessities on these kinds of adventures.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Oct 14, 2018 - 05:05pm PT
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She's gunna need a bigger knife! ;)
As my Dad would say, "Isa only needs to outrun Tradman...."
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Oct 14, 2018 - 05:24pm PT
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Isa is way faster than I am which is why I put the honey sammiches in her pack. of course if the bear catches her they will most likely become best pals and he will eat me anyways...[Click to View YouTube Video]
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Oct 14, 2018 - 06:39pm PT
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 14, 2018 - 07:13pm PT
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Batrock, hey could you throw up another screen grab or two if it's not too much trouble? they're pretty informative and interesting.
They could help round out this evolving thread as well.
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Oct 14, 2018 - 09:55pm PT
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Nut is on the home stretch. Minutes away from the Onion Valley parking lot.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2018 - 10:24pm PT
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Woah, real-time reporting! I’m at the shell station in Independence, heading back to the city. Can’t stand all this damn nature! And I saw bear scat, but no bears.
More tomorrow.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Oct 15, 2018 - 07:23am PT
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Thanks, Batrock. I had never heard of this app, I'll check it out.
NutAgain, congrats on what appears to be a successful adventure!
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 15, 2018 - 08:40pm PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 15, 2018 - 08:52pm PT
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del cross, you have noted his handle I presume.
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