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okay, whatever
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Oct 16, 2018 - 10:44am PT
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I like McGuzzy's suggestion, however unlikely it may be that a Democratic (or Independent) candidate could avoid "campaign combat".
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Oct 16, 2018 - 10:52am PT
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I look forward to getting past the midterms. Then we can get on with the circus of pre-primary jockeying.
According to NBC:
Everyone's Running for President in 2020
In an political environment in which everything seems possible, it seems just about every Democrat in America is running for president.
Serious clown car comedy coming up.
Maybe the Dems can select a moderate. They'd get my vote. How about Mark Cuban? He could crush Trump's business resume. He can stand his ground in the face of Trump's bully bluster.
Elizabeth Warren may already be toast. Her DNA announcement was all kinds of stupid.
I always liked the circus. Can't wait.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Oct 16, 2018 - 11:28am PT
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Stormy Daniels called "Horseface" by a horse's ass.
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Trump
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Oct 16, 2018 - 12:52pm PT
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Hillary again?
Hillary again? again?
Somebody under 60, please!
14 or fight!
MGuzzy I hope someone can devise a strategy that is effective as the one he uses. If it’s a strategy of outpsychologizing his psychological manipulations, great!, if it works. Doesn’t seem like we’ve got those details worked out quite yet, though, any more than we did the last time he was such an easily outmaneuvered opponent.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 16, 2018 - 01:12pm PT
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14 or fight!
What's black and blue and hates sex?
The 14 year-old tied up in the back of Air Force One.
Donald Trump's stretch of bad weeks just got a bit worse. A lawsuit against the presumptive GOP nominee alleges he raped a girl when she was 13 years old.
The lawsuit describes a "savage sexual attack" in 1994 alleging Trump tied the girl to a bed before raping and hitting her. The woman also claims Trump threatened her family if she told anyone.
The plaintiff says: "Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump's sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed."
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dirtbag
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Oct 16, 2018 - 02:06pm PT
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President toadstool penis.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 16, 2018 - 04:30pm PT
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How about a fair Democratic primary ,keep the Clinton out and I agree someone under 60.
But,if the public wants someone like Bernie and I believe he could bring more younger and independent voters then so be it.
Someone will arise,how could they not.
George Clooney would crush Trump,just think about that.
Mighty Hiker,the majority of this country did do better. 3 million people is a about the population of Western New York.
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Fat Dad
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Los Angeles, CA
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Oct 16, 2018 - 05:58pm PT
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We know that Edward T loves a circus, hence his current political affiliation.
How about the Republicans pick a moderate, if there is such a thing anymore? Everyone has to bend down and kiss the ring or gets banished by der fuhrer.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 16, 2018 - 06:20pm PT
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Who is kissing Saudi butt now?
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Oct 16, 2018 - 06:23pm PT
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you are one clueless twit, "xCon"
President Obama had very good reason, backed by the Republican Armed Services Chairman, to threaten veto of that legislation, and it had nothing to do with kissing any Arah's ass
Though the concept of sovereign immunity generally shields governments from lawsuits, the bill creates an exception that allows foreign governments to be held responsible if they support a terrorist attack that kills U.S. citizens on American soil. Opponents say that's a slippery slope considering that the U.S. is frequently accused wrongly by its foes of supporting terrorism.
"Americans are in countries all over the world," House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry, a Republican, wrote Friday in a letter urging colleagues not to support a veto. "Many of those countries do not respect the rule of law, and we cannot expect their responses to be as measured and narrow as ours."
https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-vetoes-bill-911-victims-sue-saudi-arabia-2016-9
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A Essex
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Oct 16, 2018 - 06:39pm PT
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Horseface is a great word to teach children
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john hansen
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Oct 16, 2018 - 08:03pm PT
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Essex , exactly.
In the seventh grade we were playing base ball during recess and this kid Rocky was laughing at some one calling him a "p" liquor a few times,, if you get my drift, trying to keep it PC.
So this new kid Brad who had recently arrived in the then small town of Auburn from LA or the bay area,
says, " Hey Rocky, whats wrong with being a p liquor? " Rocky was quite
shocked, and lost a lot of swagger that day.
Another recess another base ball game , the guy with the country upbringing that led to him brawling with somebody every week or two, was going after Brad saying " I'm calling you out" Brad started laughing and said said " I'm not going to fight you " Kenny said " what are you a chicken ?"
Brad laughed at him again and said " No way man,,,you'd kick my ass. "
We need someone like Brad to run against Trump ( if he makes it that far)
Someone who can pop his bubble and laugh in his face when he tells all his lies and proclaim's his magnificence.
Lately I have been getting a few calls, you know the one..
Sir I am from the same security firm that called before about your computer,,,
I string them along for a few minutes,, umm,, OK, yes my computer is on,,
then when they get to the part about opening windows and stuff, I start laughing, slow at first, and then saying 'Come on man, your kidding me ..' They always hang up right away. Next time I will say 'You are a con man, a liar and a thief.'
Just like our dear Mr President
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Oct 16, 2018 - 09:03pm PT
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 17, 2018 - 07:48am PT
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If that is the case I'd recommend the democratic party starts to reach out to those voters now and find some common ground and common cause and stop the incessant name calling and marginalization.
Or not. Whatever.
DMT
The problem goes beyond insults. That would be a simple fix. There are ideological differences between rural, more conservative populations and urban, more progressive populations that are becoming exacerbated as we become increasingly hyperpartisan. That’s much more difficult terrain to navigate.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 17, 2018 - 08:27am PT
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One factor that has historically brought Americans together was a common enemy. An enemy that threatened all of us. Whether it was wars or just Cold Wars, our adversary brought us together for everyone's benefit.
We've become increasingly polemic since the end of the Cold War. 9/11 brought us together, briefly. But then we invaded Iraq. Dumb move.
It's been "you're an idiot, I'm right" ever since.
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StahlBro
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San Diego, CA
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Oct 17, 2018 - 08:47am PT
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Make no mistake, tRump's utter contempt for the truth is what sent us into never-never land of hyperbole.
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John M
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Oct 17, 2018 - 09:17am PT
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you can't just blame trump. people in general are just too willing to believe the worst about someone that they don't like and conversely are unwilling to believe something negative about someone they do like. So we get these poles. And then we have media exacerbating this and you end up with the mess that we currently have.
Add in people who are either too black and white in their thinking, or are too "gray area" in their thinking, and finding balance is nearly impossible.
My belief is that we need both, but we have to be careful about how we use them. We need a level of black and white thinking, i.e. some things are just wrong, but we have to be careful because its too easy to get out of balance with black and white thinking. We also need a level of gray thinking because not everything is black and white. yet that can be taken too far because then everything could be explained away. " Its all good" is an example of gray thinking. No.. its not all good. Rape isn't "good".
If you examine the political parties, then one can see that where republicans tend to go south is a too rigid level of black and white thinking, "you are either with us or against us". That kind of thinking tends to make people too harsh. Where democrats tend to go off the reservation is with gray thinking, "its all good". That kind of thinking leads to people being too lenient.
The answer lays with a blend of the two kinds of thinking. Hopefully some day we will get to the point where we can do that. This is what good leaders are suppose to leads us towards.
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Trump
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Oct 17, 2018 - 09:22am PT
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It’s only effective if you don’t play into it.
Kind of a tough one. I’d feel better about our ability to not play into it if our comments to the forum weren’t about Trump, and we weren’t planning to vote for someone based on their reaction to Trump.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 17, 2018 - 09:30am PT
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Trump is simply a reflection of our culture and society. It took nearly half of the voters to make a decision to check the box for this guy, either because they were willing to overlook his negatives, or because they actually approve of his behaviors. The problem is much less about Trump, and much more about our society.
Edit:
"One factor that has historically brought Americans together was a common enemy."
I'd like to think that our country was intelligent enough to see that Trump is a clear and present danger, but apparently not.
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Trump
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Oct 17, 2018 - 09:51am PT
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Rape isn’t good. I’m with you there.
And also from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociobiological_theories_of_rape
“It has been noted that behavior resembling rape in humans is observed in the animal kingdom, including ducks and geese, bottlenose dolphins, and chimpanzees. Indeed, in orangutans, close human relatives, copulations of this nature may account for up to half of all observed matings. Such behaviors, referred to as 'forced copulations', involve an animal being approached and sexually penetrated as it struggles or attempts to escape.”
What’s good is to believe advantageous beliefs absolutely, black and whitely, whether they’re gray or not, and whether they’re true or not.
And that’s what got us here - our silly tribal evolutionarily-advantageous me-centric belief processes.
Shoot, maybe that’s not so good, but it’s what we do anyway. And whatever you do, you’d better not stop believing that YOU’RE good.
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