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hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Oct 6, 2018 - 05:55am PT
when he stoops to greet RGB i wonder if she's tall enough to knee him in the 'nads
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Oct 6, 2018 - 10:12am PT
MH:
Kavanaugh's having an alcohol problem isn't the issue. Lying about it is.

So now Kav has an alcohol problem? Where's the evidence of that?

If somehow you think that perhaps drinking too much on occasion in high school / college means Kav has an alcohol problem now or even then, then I guess the vast majority of Americans have an alcohol "problem."

As far the lying: seems like everyone is assuming that but again, where's the evidence? How do you know someone else has blacked out unless they tell you (or perhaps you have a conversation that elicits that).
As far as I can tell--no one ever said that, they said things to the effect of "I drank a lot when I was with Kav and I was super drunk so I guess he was too . . ."

That's a pretty weak argument: Kav's a big guy, and alcohol affects different people differently.
It's entirely possible that the young ladies (at the time) who said they went out with Kav and implied he was sh#t faced are simply wrong: they may have matched him drink for drink and they were blackout drunk, but he was more-or-less OK.
(Some people have said he was "stumbling" or "sloppy," but again, that's not much evidence of blackout.)

I'd imagine the vast majority of ST posters know people who have or have had real alcohol problems. For those people, you don't have to guess or make up funny inferences based on other people saying they themselves were drunk--it's obvious. They've got DUIs, got arrested, lost jobs, lost spouses, quit climbing because they're too messed up, etc.

Kav's had a stellar legal career and career as judge on the 2nd highest court in the US (sort of), been married once, father of girls who he is very involved with coaching, etc. I suppose if he can all that with an alcohol "problem," maybe we should all start drinking more.

I'd meet you halfway and say maybe some his testimony before the Senate was not the absolute 100% most accurate testimony that anyone has ever given, but it was a ridiculous sham anyway in that the "hook" for the questioning about drinking was to make the silly argument that he attacked Ford but was so drunk he didn't remember. And I suppose Judge also didn't remember? And it's not even really consistent with Ford's testimony, which is much more that Ford and Judge had an evil plan to assault her, with advance planning, maniacal laughing, etc.--that's not what blackout drunk people do.

The questioning about drinking was just designed to embarrass Kav and stir up stupid sh#t from 30 years ago--so it's a bit of "ask a stupid question get a stupid answer."
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Oct 6, 2018 - 11:28am PT

If American Liberals would stop being candy asses about government policy and actually vote in democratic elections and played to win instead of expecting the merits of a debate club argument to carry the day, the outcome would be different.

Yea, whoever thought that a political debate on the merits should carry the day. That is so just un-American.

And we all know that judicial proceedings are just so must show trial for the naive.

If the facts and law are on your side as a tenant, but the judge rules in favor of the landlord, then you are just a poor sap that should have had better lobbyist to get a judge on "your" side instead of "their" side.

Winning isn't everything, it is the only thing.

Social justice and a fair outcome are just the lame whining of losers.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Oct 6, 2018 - 12:10pm PT
"As a born again Luciferian I am offened that our lord's geometry has been dragged into this"

(Lucifer was originally a sarcastic and derogatory term applied to a king of Babylonia. "He thinks himself the bearer of light; the sun rises because of him.")



The attempts at character assassination will have greater influence on future SCOTUS rulings than traditional conservative philosophy might have.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Oct 6, 2018 - 01:09pm PT

If the US Senate appoints the inadequate and prevaricating Kavanaugh to its Supreme Court:

Six of the nine justices will be Roman Catholics (including one who is now Episcopalian), and three Jewish.
Four will have gone to Harvard law school, and four to Yale law school.
Four were born in New York state (three in the city), and one in New Jersey.
The far-right Federalist Society will have had a hand in the appointment of three.

That's very far out... unbelievable... It must be the Russians... or is the (net)work of rich white old American men...

Well, and some women...
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Oct 6, 2018 - 02:02pm PT
Is boof back to being a fart?
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 6, 2018 - 02:50pm PT
Fox News is already full steaming ahead with The Kav, The Debacle, The Apprentice (Take Two) as a rallying cry to Trumpites in the upcoming election.

Vote your conscience - does anybody do that anymore?

Justice Kavanaugh may be headed for impeachment if Democrats win a House majority


Should the enthusiasm displayed by Democratic voters over the last 18 months, translate into a Democratic majority in the House and possibly the Senate, you can be assured that there will be hell to pay for Justice Kavanaugh Ė as there should be.

Democrats owe it to our country to be impartial and thorough and go wherever the facts take them Ė no more, no less. If the evidence leads to Kavanaugh's impeachment, so be it, but finding the truth must be our top priority.

As much as I dislike Brett Kavanaugh and everything he represents, I dislike the permanent damage being done to our institutions even more. The legitimacy of Americaís highest court is under assault Ė we must do everything in our power to restore it.


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/justice-kavanaugh-may-be-headed-for-impeachment-if-democrats-win-a-house-majority
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 6, 2018 - 04:26pm PT
WBraun

climber
Oct 6, 2018 - 05:09pm PT
Maybe Kavanaugh will go out and celebrate tonight and drive home drunk and get a DUI arrest of himself ......

Muwahahaha .....
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 6, 2018 - 05:12pm PT
They got just what they wanted, a partisan tool. His reference to wacko Clinton revenge theories said it all.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Oct 6, 2018 - 05:54pm PT
The government sh!tshow continues...

HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Oct 6, 2018 - 06:23pm PT
Gene

climber
Oct 6, 2018 - 07:32pm PT
Oxymoron of the Day:

Justice Kavanaugh
Trump

climber
Oct 6, 2018 - 07:46pm PT
Social justice and a fair outcome are just the lame whining of losers.

Right? Itís so unfair that after 4 billion years those jerky humans are the ones whoíve inherited the earth. And donít get me started on those privileged white ones! And men living in a sexist patriarchy?! Pffft!

But sure, letís hear more from white male humans on what their thoughts on fair are. I expect theyíll think they have some deep insights into it that are worth our consideration. Letís make the ones who drink beer go last, just to distinguish our righteousness from our new Supreme Court Justice. Thatíll sure show them!
dirtbag

climber
Oct 6, 2018 - 08:09pm PT
Shout out to Lisa Murkowski, who voted no.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 6, 2018 - 08:39pm PT
There seem to be a lot of privileged self hating white men posting here about hating other privileged white men because they're white and privileged and.... stuff...

Strange. Unless I'm wrong about the demographic here....

In any case, the circus goes on. What will the 24x7x365 idiots blather about nonstop now on the teevee? Maybe we need to mix up our supposed enemies a bit. Maybe focus on Chinese "aggression" in their own sea.

The circus needs a new focus to hate.



dirtbag

climber
Oct 6, 2018 - 09:13pm PT
^^^Yep.

100%.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 6, 2018 - 09:14pm PT
Wish it werenít so, but itís so.
John M

climber
Oct 6, 2018 - 09:18pm PT
thats not why trump won.. and congress is the way that it is in part because of gerrymandering. So telling people to just hold their noses and vote doesn't fix the problems.
Lituya

Mountain climber
Oct 6, 2018 - 09:34pm PT
Why Conservatives prevail is because they have an agenda and don't give a f*#k about the considered opinions of their worthy opponents.

Or, conversely, the opinions of their opponents are nowadays rarely well considered. Democrats now too often are the party of mob hysteria and ends justify means. Still a few sane ones left, but their direction is not promising.

There seem to be a lot of privileged self hating white men posting here about hating other privileged white men because they're white and privileged and.... stuff...

Well said.
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