People like this give Meth Heads a bad name. Trail cam pics


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The Good Places
Sep 12, 2018 - 09:39pm PT
JLP says that the crime is lesser than stealing cigars and is NBD. Ask Michael Brown about that, if you would.

Social climber
The internet
Sep 13, 2018 - 06:49am PT
Ask Michael Brown about that
Exactly - someone ran into an ineffective cop dumber than a bag of rocks - didn’t go well for him. I would hope the McLeans do better.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 13, 2018 - 03:26pm PT

just takes a few idiots with guns to tarnish the lot of us.

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 13, 2018 - 03:33pm PT
Wow. Living the dream, by all accounts, but it wasn't good enough. They could have just stayed home and enjoyed a glass of wine, but they had to go out and f*#k with someone else's stuff.

I find it hard to believe he was stealing.

The dictionary definition of "theft" ...

"the taking of another person's property or services without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it"

... sounds exactly like what they did.

Working as a team, packing bolt cutters into the woods, and making multiple trips to get the stuff shows a degree of criminal sophistication the court will have a hard time overlooking.

This whole thing's funny as hell!

It's not the crime of the century. Nobody got hurt. The victim lost recreational equipment - not work tools, or something he needs to earn a living.

Nobody's going to prison or even jail. They'll end up on probation. For a few years they'll be treated like children by a series of probation officers young enough to be their children. They may have to attend an *anger management* program, or get other counseling, like AA if they're found to be drinkers.

These two will probably have to re-invent themselves. I can't imagine anyone with a recent theft conviction on their record working as a city attorney. Can't do much ski touring when the terms of probation prohibit setting foot on public lands or leaving the county without permission of a probation officer. Unless they have other sources of income they may have to leave their high-dollar neighborhood and find a more affordable place to live. They're smart (to a point) and motivated. They'll do better than most convicted criminals, especially if they take their rehabilitation seriously.

Moral of the story: When you're living the dream, count your goddamn blessings and live the dream - and let everybody else live theirs.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 13, 2018 - 03:59pm PT
Yeah, I'm not a hunter, but if the antelope start eating the feed I grow for the stock (you can't fence out antelope), then I might apply for a depredation tag.

If hunters leave me alone I do the same. Chaz is right; leave others to their dreams. There are far better ways to convince people to reduce meat consumption. (Says I over a turkey sandwich,..)

Maybe if he didn't work for BD I'd have more sympathy, but I hate thieves.

Mountain climber
Sep 13, 2018 - 04:05pm PT
A felony conviction could really mess with trips to Canada. Reason enough right there for me to stick to the straight and narrow.

Trad climber
Sep 13, 2018 - 04:06pm PT
No joke!

Sep 14, 2018 - 08:30am PT
Yea I definitely count myself among the ranks of the righteous nature lovers. But if I’m gonna be honest to myself about what really matters to me, I’m just not all that broken up over all those dead dinosaurs.

Mountain climber
Sep 14, 2018 - 02:12pm PT

Black Diamond learned that their paid ambassador, Andrew McLean, had been arrested and facing two counts of felony theft and vandalism. To add to the damage – it was against the hunting community that Black Diamond serves.

Black Diamond said it has ended its 25 year relationship with Andrew McLean.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 14, 2018 - 03:04pm PT
Did BD assume a conviction is a foregone conclusion?

I bet Yengich would get the photos suppressed.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Sep 14, 2018 - 03:12pm PT
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Mill Valley, Ca
Sep 14, 2018 - 03:14pm PT

Ice climber
Sep 15, 2018 - 09:12am PT
Was he packin'

Yewah, I think so. How else could he shoot the Water Dept guy?

The San Diego Fire-Rescue Department bomb squad found and took the cache Sept. 7 while serving what is known as a “gun violence restraining order” against the homeowner and accused shooter, 79-year-old Nathan Brogan, officials said.

The weapons stockpile included an AR-15 with a 200-round drum magazine, 34 additional rifles and 21 handguns taken from Brogan’s home, the City Attorney’s Office said.

The bomb squad also removed 75,000 rounds of ammunition as well as explosives, among them a smoke grenade and 4.5 pounds of loose black powder.

When you have an arsenal like this, how do you choose what to shoot the Water Dept guy with (BTW he chose a shotgun_}

Credit: zBrown


SAN DIEGO (KGTV) — Federal agents seized a huge haul of meth and heroin being trafficked at a San Diego restaurant this month.

Gun guy was not the dealer, probably just a user


Social climber
Sep 15, 2018 - 09:31am PT
did they take his drivers license while they were at it?

would probably be a better move in terms of public safety...

Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
Sep 15, 2018 - 09:32am PT
Those are some cool ol' classic shootin' irons. The broom-handled Mauser is a classic! I've always wanted to shoot one of those. I actually had a job working for my father who was manufacturing replacement grips for those things. Production wood working helped convince me to stay in college. LOL.


Social climber
The internet
Sep 15, 2018 - 01:47pm PT
Looks like they put the wife on administrative leave, which basically means they eventually fire her. Bummer.

They have 2 kids 10 ish in age - probably getting picked on.

If I were Andrew, on my most pissed off day, I would have taken that stuff down and left it either at the base of the tree or at the trailhead - not taken it home - for the kids to find.

If I were a Momo real estate agent, I wouldn't have lied publicly about the value of that junk to my customer base.

If I were the wife, I would have said "have a nice time, I'll be here with the kids", and if I were Andrew I wouldn't have asked her to go with.

Meh - fuk 'em all. SLC culture is a mess.

They'll probably have to move and find different jobs - but they'll be fine - educated, smart, willing to work - always does fine.

That real estate agent is going to return to the trailhead someday to find his truck burned out.

Trad climber
Here and there
Sep 15, 2018 - 02:06pm PT
Many issues here, over the years AM has done more to ruin BC skiing in the Wastach than almost anybody else. He has also done some great work to protect it. But he started drifting away from the protection to be more of a property rights advocate. Many might disagree with me on him ruining the BC skiing but he used as a form of his own self promotion, perhaps he could not figure out a way to promote himself without it. Kind of like the Duck/ trout unlimited model of hey let’s save the critters so we can kill them. That said these these groups do more than most to preserve the environment and do an awesome job along with groups like rocky Mtn elk, the shame being that part of the environmental aspect of BC protection will be damaged.

The sad thing is that many know AM and his advocacy work ( note I will admit working with him on wpg and wba stuff until he deleted me from his address book). His actions are going to put a big sh#t stain on the relationships of some environmental allies.

Having spent 1,000’s of hours working to preserve the Waatch BC I often spoke with hunters who shared a Kindred spirit, this is now likely damaged.

Man, am I glad I left is Likely glad I left...

Ain't no flatlander

Sep 15, 2018 - 06:20pm PT
"If I were a Momo real estate agent, I wouldn't have lied publicly about the value of that junk to my customer base."

Just curious, do you know this for fact? That photo showed Andy hauling out a rig that looked like it could rival a good portaledge. And game cameras can easily exceed $500 depending on features. So JLP, what in your professional opinion is that stuff worth?

It's amazing they've both screwed up their lives so much for an irrational hatred of hunters, or so it appears.

Jim Henson's Basement
Sep 15, 2018 - 07:43pm PT
Stealing peoples stuff is bullshit regardless of motivation. I'm personally not a fan of hunting - but if it's legal and they have a tag- it's not our place to police it regardless of how distasteful you find it. If you ever come across equipment you feel is " trash" or " abandoned" or feel a hunter is out of bounds- call the BLM or the USFS or Fish and Game to go deal with it. It's not your job to mess with people's personal property. Mess with the wrong hunter you may end up with a gun in your face. In this case- the stuff was locked with cameras on it- clearly not " abandoned". This couple jeopardized their careers and reputations with their self-righteous attitude - which is a shame since they seem like decent folk otherwise .

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Sep 15, 2018 - 10:08pm PT
Geologicallly speaking...This is a non-event...The poor hunters won't starve to death....Nothing will change...Don't leave your stupid toys out in the wilderness...
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