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fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 12, 2018 - 12:37pm PT
If the limit there is $1,500 for a felony, they're already close to or over it by stealing two stands and/or cams. Once the cops had the warrants and searched their property and found moar loot, that's super bad since it implicates them in more cases.

If they only had the one offense and no priors, they'd have a good chance of avoiding a felony prosecution. But the new evidence pretty much erases that chance now unless she's got some really good friends at the prosecutor's office.

I'm not a big fan of hunting but hunters, at least around here, do serve a huge purpose of keeping certain species at sustainable levels. I've only got a problem with them when they violate safety laws, particularly alcohol and shooting after/before there's ample light. I'm a stickler for proper firearm handling and have had to educate more than a few encountered on hikes. Most apologize after flagging me/others with a muzzle or similar offense. Had one guy yell that "it's not loaded"... I yelled back "I don't care!"... lol
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 12, 2018 - 01:05pm PT
Last time I was at a public range during a "cease fire" while people went to their targets, I turned around to see a fat woman taking a bead on me with a rifle.

I shouted, "WTF are you doing?"

She said, "Don't worry, the safety is on"


I should have wrapped it around her head.
Trump

climber
Sep 12, 2018 - 01:10pm PT
Iíve known Andrew McLean for decades. .. I support Andrew 100%.

My tribeís kind of cool too. Iím gonna try to fit in and believe what they do. Hope I donít wind up committing a felony. But if I do, Iíll bet my tribe will forgive me. Whatís a little tribal collusion among friends? That sh#t makes the world go round. We donít need no stinking witch hunt! The witches are all in the other tribe.
Jim Clipper

climber
Sep 12, 2018 - 02:08pm PT
Trump. Interests of individual groups will only become more contentious as population increases, and resources dwindle. User groups should get together to protect public lands. Otherwise, we're all just pawns.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Mill Valley, Ca
Sep 12, 2018 - 02:19pm PT
She'll definitely be disbarred for a felony conviction. The only hope would be lenient sentencing/suspended sentences/etc...

I'm not sure disbarrment would require a felony conviction; a misdemeanor might suffice, especially considering evidence of multiple thefts. Crimes involving moral turpitude have serious consequences for lawyers. They are held to a high moral standard and are expected to behave appropriately.
Jim Clipper

climber
Sep 12, 2018 - 02:30pm PT
Xcon? Did the hunter/goon relationship solidify as NRA membership became more and more "extreme"? Ducks Unlimited does some good, mainstream work. I know there are always exceptions.
Trump

climber
Sep 12, 2018 - 02:54pm PT
Thanks Jim. Well argued. Iíd say that evolutionary psychology agrees about the argument, just maybe not the ends to which you argue it. The ends are more about the survival/thrival of the tribe than about the tribeís imagined goals.

Can you believe how those Republicans are all lining up behind me, for the good of the tribe, despite what a criminal f*#kwad I seem to be? Weíd never do that. ?
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Sep 12, 2018 - 03:12pm PT
Funny that some people are on the side of the thieves.

I don't understand...
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Sep 12, 2018 - 07:58pm PT
Xcon, was that response to me or the thieves? Could go either way
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Sep 12, 2018 - 08:12pm PT
wOW....
& given that I took out the word Kill from the front of every line,
it still reads to harshly;so i put all the Killings back


HUMANS STILL OBSESSED WITH KILLING?
KILLING FOR SPORT IS PLAIN BAD
KILLING IS STUPID BAD
KILLING IS INSENSITIVE & BAD
KILLING THINGS THAT ARE NOT A THREAT IS JUST PLAIN STUPID BAD
KILLING IS NOT A SPORT, A SHOW OF DOMINANCE COMPENSATING FOR A FEELING IF INSIGNIFICANCE-
i CAN KILL i CAN KILL
LOOK AT WHAT i KILLED

LOOK AT HOW i KILLED A STUPID BEAST THAT JUST WALKED UNDER ME WHILE i WAS hIDING IN A TREE
SO i COULD BE A WASTE FUL STUPID HUMAN AND kILL kILL kILL


LIMPING,
i DO Limp,

but no I am not siding with the thieves, clearly if you read the bottom of my 1st post;

I have been having a similar response from my neighbor.
I'm not anti hunting, just anti-cheating at it
What determines -"By Fair Means"
hunting with lights? night vision assisted? feeding stations? brush berms? fires?
all of the above while hidding in tree stands, and scent lock blinds?
any user group that is abusing a resource makes all user groups look bad

AND FIND IT AMAZING THAT ONE WHO APPRECIATES NATURE CAN'T SEE
THAT THE HUNTERS SHOULD HAVE LESS STANDING, IF THEY ABANDON THEIR GEAR
& PAY A HIGHER PRICE FOR THE WASTING OF LIFE THEIRS & WHAT EVER THEY eEF'N KILL





That said -
I have to agree that, whatever excuses (abandoned property, etc.) It wouldn't matter,
It was beyond stupid to have taken the Items.

Destruction of the tree-stands would have been seen by the cameras.(Cutting the trees to near failure might make it more criminal)
The application of smelly substances that alert the animals; Grease and human "Offal" is more effective at stopping retarded hunters from having fun.
All available at McDonald's.
(if not gathered from a public restroom, the evidence could lead authorities to the culprits.)

While a good case can be made for the real need to kill deer to reduce over-population & to stem the rise/increase of Bears,
it should not go on in between 1/2 acre lots, in my opinion.

I have hunting going on in my back yard. Until I made an issue of seasonal restrictions, there was no enforcement.
One person uses all of the following in a 1.80 acre lot between 9 houses.
These are permanatly fixed brackets (on contested land) to hang stands on,
notice that they are only 8 feet or less up on the tree.
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase
Scent-lock blinds, tree-stands , ladder stands, Lights, fires(to mask the scent), debris berms 6-7 feet high,
salt lick/automatic, timed' feeding stations & laser sighting on the bow. As well as using night-vision eye wear.
{That I regularly defeat by shinning a spot light at}

all of these practices are in use, year round, to desensitize the prey.
& I have been told that only the discharge of a fire arm is actionable.
There is gunfire that happens occasionally, but never acted on.
I've also started a religious practice; gong playing before dawn, to Guarantee that the sun will rise.
A respect of all life is an important tenant of Buddhist thought.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Sep 12, 2018 - 08:51pm PT
Humans are omnivorous animals. Itís nature, and regulated, and not bad logically unless someone brings emotions into it.


Iím still not sure how anyone would side with thieves...?

Well, unless disagreeing with someone makes it ok to steal their stuff. Iím going to start stealing cars, but only from people that donít use turnouts properly. Then itís ok, and much better than dealing with them directly. Also Iím usually nice so there shouldnít be consequences. Especially if the car owner seems like someone I donít like in interviews.



In all seriousness. They stole stuff and knew they were doing it and had done it before. Seems like the smug ones are the thieves in this case, not the victims.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 12, 2018 - 08:55pm PT

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah

Sep 12, 2018 - 01:05pm PT
Last time I was at a public range during a "cease fire" while people went to their targets, I turned around to see a fat woman taking a bead on me with a rifle.

I shouted, "WTF are you doing?"

She said, "Don't worry, the safety is on"


I should have wrapped it around her head.

I found this quite disturbing

Could not read much of any of the rest
monolith

climber
state of being
Sep 12, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
Just because we can, doesn't mean it's in our best interest.

There's plenty of evidence that we are not natural omnivores.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Sep 12, 2018 - 09:16pm PT
They stole stuff
There is no ďTheyĒ. The photos are suggesting ďHeĒ stole stuff. ďSheĒ was an accessory, at best, walking the dog, completely empty handed. A fuggin community college graduate cop and a vindictive dumbass real estate agent are now their worst problems.

I say in the end, after smarter people sift through the nonsense, she keeps her job and he does probation and community service. Neither get a felony - not even close.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Sep 12, 2018 - 09:31pm PT
I say in the end, after smarter people sift through the nonsense, she keeps her job and he does probation and community service. Neither get a felony - not even close.
Seems obvious they were both involved, and the extra stolen stuff in their cabin doesnít bode wel. But ya, you could be right, Iím no expert on the law but wouldnít be surprised if it turns out like you say. Itíll be interesting to see.

Just because we can, doesn't mean it's in our best interest.

There's plenty of evidence that we are not natural omnivores.
To your first point, fair enough. To the second point, we most definitely have the anatomy of omnivores.

Sorry, thread drift. Iím bad at OT threads.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 12, 2018 - 09:39pm PT
JLP says that the crime is lesser than stealing cigars and is NBD. Ask Michael Brown about that, if you would.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Sep 13, 2018 - 06:49am PT
Ask Michael Brown about that
Exactly - someone ran into an ineffective cop dumber than a bag of rocks - didnít go well for him. I would hope the McLeans do better.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 13, 2018 - 03:26pm PT
zBrown,

just takes a few idiots with guns to tarnish the lot of us.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 13, 2018 - 03:33pm PT
Wow. Living the dream, by all accounts, but it wasn't good enough. They could have just stayed home and enjoyed a glass of wine, but they had to go out and f*#k with someone else's stuff.

I find it hard to believe he was stealing.

The dictionary definition of "theft" ...

"the taking of another person's property or services without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it"

... sounds exactly like what they did.

Working as a team, packing bolt cutters into the woods, and making multiple trips to get the stuff shows a degree of criminal sophistication the court will have a hard time overlooking.

This whole thing's funny as hell!

It's not the crime of the century. Nobody got hurt. The victim lost recreational equipment - not work tools, or something he needs to earn a living.

Nobody's going to prison or even jail. They'll end up on probation. For a few years they'll be treated like children by a series of probation officers young enough to be their children. They may have to attend an *anger management* program, or get other counseling, like AA if they're found to be drinkers.

These two will probably have to re-invent themselves. I can't imagine anyone with a recent theft conviction on their record working as a city attorney. Can't do much ski touring when the terms of probation prohibit setting foot on public lands or leaving the county without permission of a probation officer. Unless they have other sources of income they may have to leave their high-dollar neighborhood and find a more affordable place to live. They're smart (up to a point) and motivated. They'll do better than most convicted criminals, especially if they take their rehabilitation seriously.

Moral of the story: When you're living the dream, count your goddamn blessings and live the dream - and let everybody else live theirs.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 13, 2018 - 03:59pm PT
Yeah, I'm not a hunter, but if the antelope start eating the feed I grow for the stock (you can't fence out antelope), then I might apply for a depredation tag.

If hunters leave me alone I do the same. Chaz is right; leave others to their dreams. There are far better ways to convince people to reduce meat consumption. (Says I over a turkey sandwich,..)

Maybe if he didn't work for BD I'd have more sympathy, but I hate thieves.
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