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GuapoVino

climber
Sep 12, 2018 - 11:47am PT
Some hunters can be pretty bold and confrontational. I had a few that kept hunting on my land even when I convinced them that their employer did NOT own the land they were hunting on. The last time one of the guys was so confrontational that he threatened me. A couple times I had to show them where the property line was and that I did not give them permission to hunt on my property. Then they had to be told that it was not ok for them to use my property to access their employer's property. After that I began taking any gear of theirs that I found on my property (mostly trail cams) and sold it on Ebay.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Sep 12, 2018 - 11:49am PT
( it is freaking me out that my very current life's challenges, often play out in a similar way in Taco-land)
not that I'm asking,
but what would you do the 2nd time!
if a neighbor, hunting out of season, shoots a deer but only wounds it, then tracks it onto adjacent property(clearly not owned by said hunter)
When the property is posted.

The issue has been dealt with once,
when actions taken destroyed a memory chip, not the device,
(BUT While on Private Property, so Trespass, was a possibility)
The case was made, seemed simple clear,

-it was not-

I looked into all of it,
& made it very complicated,
That sent attorneys scurrying for precedents, long story
I was ordered to pay 150 bucks for the stalking camera,
if it was turned over to me,
it was not, I still payed the phuk.
& Then Last week it happened again?

This neibor is a favord son of a large family,
A High School Teacher in a place he is sorely needed despite his limitations,
It is well known that he does not play well with others-
has a place that was in foreclosure for a dozen years,
has all the chips on his side of the table
so
I am poop outa-lucky-strikes
Might as well smoke a cigarette,
I've been phooked













I went & looked some thing up, it is not a match for stealing equipment
West's Utah Code Annotated. Title 23. Wildlife Resources Code of Utah. Chapter 20. Enforcement--Violations and Penalties.
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Primary Citation: U.C.A. 1953 ß 23-20-29, 23-20-29.5
Country of Origin: United States
Last Checked: March, 2018
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Summary:
This section reflects Utah's hunter harassment provisions. A person is guilty of a class B misdemeanor who intentionally interferes with the right of a person, licensed and legally hunting, to take wildlife by driving, harassing, or intentionally disturbing any species of wildlife for the purpose of disrupting a legal hunt, trapping, or predator control. A person adversely affected, or the state, may bring a civil action for damages resulting from the violation or a seek a restraining order. This section does not apply to incidental interference with a hunt caused by lawful activities including, but not limited to, ranching, mining, and recreation.



ß 23-20-29. Interference with hunting prohibited--Action to recover damages--Exceptions
(1) A person is guilty of a class B misdemeanor who intentionally interferes with the right of a person licensed and legally hunting under Chapter 19,Licenses, Permits, and Tags to take wildlife by driving, harassing, or intentionally disturbing any species of wildlife for the purpose of disrupting a legal hunt, trapping, or predator control.

(2) Any directly affected person or the state may bring an action to recover civil damages resulting from a violation of Subsection (1) or a restraining order to prevent a potential violation of Subsection (1).

(3) This section does not apply to incidental interference with a hunt caused by lawful activities including ranching, mining, and recreation.

CREDIT(S)

Laws 1986, c. 67, ß 1; Laws 2011, c. 297, ß 124, eff. May 10, 2011.



ß 23-20-29.5. Interference with hunters or hunting activity--Prosecution under criminal code
A person who intentionally interferes with a person who is licensed and taking wildlife legally under the provision of Title 23, Chapter 19, or disrupts an activity involving a legal hunt, trapping, falconry, or predator control may be charged with a violation under Section 76-9-102 if that interference or disruption constitutes a violation under Section 76-9-102.

From

https://www.animallaw.info/statute/ut-hunting-%C2%A7-23-20-29-interference-hunting-prohibited-action-recover-damages-exceptions
These laws to protect hunters are similar, state to state.
Laws like this cost big $$ to defend, & To fight in court, They often are deemed inappropriate

-but- In this case,??

Fear & I, as Connecticut residents, can hunt on a 1/4 acre if we want to & have permission from the land owner.

Here we are so well led as a user group made up of cops & lawyers, that they regularly send out this;

DEALING WITH HARASSMENT

All hunters, regardless of where they hunt, should be prepared for the possibility of being harassed. Your behavior if you are harassed is extremely important. Maintain your composure and do not retaliate. If you are interviewed by the media, project a positive image. Connecticut has a hunter harassment law that protects the rights of sportsmen. If you decide to press charges, make sure you have a strong case by:

making it evident that the antagonists are following you by going in several directions;
asking your antagonists why they are harassing you;
being able to identify and describe the individuals;
taking the license numbers of their vehicles if possible; and
not responding with violence or threatening a protester with bodily harm.
The sticky things get stickier, when the hunting is on-going, ignoring seasonal bans/restrictions , &/or when the ownership of the land is in question or can be challenged.

Hunting on a "right-of-way" or a contested/"Clouded" (un-satisfied leans, after sale, un-paid taxes, or paid by a third party after the fact. . . ) All this can and does play out when a hand gun is used to finish off an injured animal that has been tracked into my yard. . . .Ooops to much information...

in this case, it seems
(-all- will be a NON-Issue)
Taking abandoned property home with you re-sets the bar; turning a deliberate attempt to "make a statement against hunting thru civil disobedience, into a charge that in this case has been grossly exaggerated into Felony Theft

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 12, 2018 - 12:37pm PT
If the limit there is $1,500 for a felony, they're already close to or over it by stealing two stands and/or cams. Once the cops had the warrants and searched their property and found moar loot, that's super bad since it implicates them in more cases.

If they only had the one offense and no priors, they'd have a good chance of avoiding a felony prosecution. But the new evidence pretty much erases that chance now unless she's got some really good friends at the prosecutor's office.

I'm not a big fan of hunting but hunters, at least around here, do serve a huge purpose of keeping certain species at sustainable levels. I've only got a problem with them when they violate safety laws, particularly alcohol and shooting after/before there's ample light. I'm a stickler for proper firearm handling and have had to educate more than a few encountered on hikes. Most apologize after flagging me/others with a muzzle or similar offense. Had one guy yell that "it's not loaded"... I yelled back "I don't care!"... lol
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 12, 2018 - 01:05pm PT
Last time I was at a public range during a "cease fire" while people went to their targets, I turned around to see a fat woman taking a bead on me with a rifle.

I shouted, "WTF are you doing?"

She said, "Don't worry, the safety is on"


I should have wrapped it around her head.
Trump

climber
Sep 12, 2018 - 01:10pm PT
Iíve known Andrew McLean for decades. .. I support Andrew 100%.

My tribeís kind of cool too. Iím gonna try to fit in and believe what they do. Hope I donít wind up committing a felony. But if I do, Iíll bet my tribe will forgive me. Whatís a little tribal collusion among friends? That sh#t makes the world go round. We donít need no stinking witch hunt! The witches are all in the other tribe.
Jim Clipper

climber
Sep 12, 2018 - 02:08pm PT
Trump. Interests of individual groups will only become more contentious as population increases, and resources dwindle. User groups should get together to protect public lands. Otherwise, we're all just pawns.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Mill Valley, Ca
Sep 12, 2018 - 02:19pm PT
She'll definitely be disbarred for a felony conviction. The only hope would be lenient sentencing/suspended sentences/etc...

I'm not sure disbarrment would require a felony conviction; a misdemeanor might suffice, especially considering evidence of multiple thefts. Crimes involving moral turpitude have serious consequences for lawyers. They are held to a high moral standard and are expected to behave appropriately.
xCon

Social climber
909
Sep 12, 2018 - 02:20pm PT
meanwhile it wouldn't take much to set up the network that wouldn't allow any given hunter to stretch his heels in a local dinner without getting his tires slashed

the less comfortable these goons are being themselves in public the better off we all will be...
Jim Clipper

climber
Sep 12, 2018 - 02:30pm PT
Xcon? Did the hunter/goon relationship solidify as NRA membership became more and more "extreme"? Ducks Unlimited does some good, mainstream work. I know there are always exceptions.
xCon

Social climber
909
Sep 12, 2018 - 02:40pm PT
its their alignment with the extremists platform which makes whatever bit of good here and there they do irrelevant to how they should be considered or represented when its down to a one line of description

certain alignments are instant f*#k you!

and a good compromise going forward would be best served at this point if there were far more than just words behind that f*#k you...
Trump

climber
Sep 12, 2018 - 02:54pm PT
Thanks Jim. Well argued. Iíd say that evolutionary psychology agrees about the argument, just maybe not the ends to which you argue it. The ends are more about the survival/thrival of the tribe than about the tribeís imagined goals.

Can you believe how those Republicans are all lining up behind me, for the good of the tribe, despite what a criminal f*#kwad I seem to be? Weíd never do that. ?
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Sep 12, 2018 - 03:12pm PT
Funny that some people are on the side of the thieves.

I don't understand...
xCon

Social climber
909
Sep 12, 2018 - 03:29pm PT
that's because you refuse to register how much of life you've had to dismiss in order for the focus on property to seem moral...
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Sep 12, 2018 - 07:58pm PT
Xcon, was that response to me or the thieves? Could go either way
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Sep 12, 2018 - 08:12pm PT
wOW....
& given that I took out the word Kill from the front of every line,
it still reads to harshly;so i put all the Killings back


HUMANS STILL OBSESSED WITH KILLING?
KILLING FOR SPORT IS PLAIN BAD
KILLING IS STUPID BAD
KILLING IS INSENSITIVE & BAD
KILLING THINGS THAT ARE NOT A THREAT IS JUST PLAIN STUPID BAD
KILLING IS NOT A SPORT, A SHOW OF DOMINANCE COMPENSATING FOR A FEELING IF INSIGNIFICANCE-
i CAN KILL i CAN KILL
LOOK AT WHAT i KILLED

LOOK AT HOW i KILLED A STUPID BEAST THAT JUST WALKED UNDER ME WHILE i WAS hIDING IN A TREE
SO i COULD BE A WASTE FUL STUPID HUMAN AND kILL kILL kILL


LIMPING,
i DO Limp,

but no I am not siding with the thieves, clearly if you read the bottom of my 1st post;

I have been having a similar response from my neighbor.
I'm not anti hunting, just anti-cheating at it
What determines -"By Fair Means"
hunting with lights? night vision assisted? feeding stations? brush berms? fires?
all of the above while hidding in tree stands, and scent lock blinds?
any user group that is abusing a resource makes all user groups look bad

AND FIND IT AMAZING THAT ONE WHO APPRECIATES NATURE CAN'T SEE
THAT THE HUNTERS SHOULD HAVE LESS STANDING, IF THEY ABANDON THEIR GEAR
& PAY A HIGHER PRICE FOR THE WASTING OF LIFE THEIRS & WHAT EVER THEY eEF'N KILL





That said -
I have to agree that, whatever excuses (abandoned property, etc.) It wouldn't matter,
It was beyond stupid to have taken the Items.

Destruction of the tree-stands would have been seen by the cameras.(Cutting the trees to near failure might make it more criminal)
The application of smelly substances that alert the animals; Grease and human "Offal" is more effective at stopping retarded hunters from having fun.
All available at McDonald's.
(if not gathered from a public restroom, the evidence could lead authorities to the culprits.)

While a good case can be made for the real need to kill deer to reduce over-population & to stem the rise/increase of Bears,
it should not go on in between 1/2 acre lots, in my opinion.

I have hunting going on in my back yard. Until I made an issue of seasonal restrictions, there was no enforcement.
One person uses all of the following in a 1.80 acre lot between 9 houses.
These are permanatly fixed brackets (on contested land) to hang stands on,
notice that they are only 8 feet or less up on the tree.
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase
Scent-lock blinds, tree-stands , ladder stands, Lights, fires(to mask the scent), debris berms 6-7 feet high,
salt lick/automatic, timed' feeding stations & laser sighting on the bow. As well as using night-vision eye wear.
{That I regularly defeat by shinning a spot light at}

all of these practices are in use, year round, to desensitize the prey.
& I have been told that only the discharge of a fire arm is actionable.
There is gunfire that happens occasionally, but never acted on.
I've also started a religious practice; gong playing before dawn, to Guarantee that the sun will rise.
A respect of all life is an important tenant of Buddhist thought.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Sep 12, 2018 - 08:51pm PT
Humans are omnivorous animals. Itís nature, and regulated, and not bad logically unless someone brings emotions into it.


Iím still not sure how anyone would side with thieves...?

Well, unless disagreeing with someone makes it ok to steal their stuff. Iím going to start stealing cars, but only from people that donít use turnouts properly. Then itís ok, and much better than dealing with them directly. Also Iím usually nice so there shouldnít be consequences. Especially if the car owner seems like someone I donít like in interviews.



In all seriousness. They stole stuff and knew they were doing it and had done it before. Seems like the smug ones are the thieves in this case, not the victims.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 12, 2018 - 08:55pm PT

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah

Sep 12, 2018 - 01:05pm PT
Last time I was at a public range during a "cease fire" while people went to their targets, I turned around to see a fat woman taking a bead on me with a rifle.

I shouted, "WTF are you doing?"

She said, "Don't worry, the safety is on"


I should have wrapped it around her head.

I found this quite disturbing

Could not read much of any of the rest
monolith

climber
state of being
Sep 12, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
Just because we can, doesn't mean it's in our best interest.

There's plenty of evidence that we are not natural omnivores.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Sep 12, 2018 - 09:16pm PT
They stole stuff
There is no ďTheyĒ. The photos are suggesting ďHeĒ stole stuff. ďSheĒ was an accessory, at best, walking the dog, completely empty handed. A fuggin community college graduate cop and a vindictive dumbass real estate agent are now their worst problems.

I say in the end, after smarter people sift through the nonsense, she keeps her job and he does probation and community service. Neither get a felony - not even close.
limpingcrab

Trad climber
the middle of CA
Sep 12, 2018 - 09:31pm PT
I say in the end, after smarter people sift through the nonsense, she keeps her job and he does probation and community service. Neither get a felony - not even close.
Seems obvious they were both involved, and the extra stolen stuff in their cabin doesnít bode wel. But ya, you could be right, Iím no expert on the law but wouldnít be surprised if it turns out like you say. Itíll be interesting to see.

Just because we can, doesn't mean it's in our best interest.

There's plenty of evidence that we are not natural omnivores.
To your first point, fair enough. To the second point, we most definitely have the anatomy of omnivores.

Sorry, thread drift. Iím bad at OT threads.
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