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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Sep 10, 2018 - 08:28am PT
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The felony threshold is $1500. How convenient they arrived at that value. A top of the line super deluxe tree stand on Cabelas is like $400. The best cameras with solar charging and cell tower antenna are like another $400 each. BS that pile of crap on his back came to $1500.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Sep 10, 2018 - 08:59am PT
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The hunter claimed two stands were destroyed/removed.....
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Sep 10, 2018 - 09:03am PT
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If the pics show only one stand, then that's probably all they could be convicted for.
The hunter wasn't satisfied with just one stand.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Sep 10, 2018 - 09:03am PT
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Perhaps this is a stand against leaving you're sh_t anywhere but your own property!
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Sep 10, 2018 - 09:21am PT
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The hunter wasn't satisfied with just one stand. Cops too. This reeks of the cop being a member of that hunting forum. The fallout is way too activist. He probably had an orgasm when someone ID'd the guy and he realized who they were and that he could make a rare trip across town to a neighborhood way over his pay grade to justify his existence on this planet. To stick them with the actual charges would have been a dinner date all-in for the McLeans - can't have that.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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Sep 10, 2018 - 09:29am PT
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I'm with BadClimber on this one. How many times have folks stashed gear for projects and such. These are the same ones that call out other recreational users for leaving their gear in the backcountry. Just this weekend, I stumbled upon a gear cache (bolts, gear, stoves and fuel). By the appearance, it looked like it had been there a year or two and was abandoned or forgotten. Bootie??
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Sep 10, 2018 - 09:35am PT
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A year or two, yep, bootie.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Sep 10, 2018 - 09:57am PT
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There's an ice climb here aptly named the "Bicycle Route". 4-5 pitches of easy ice up through a woodsy waterfall. There's a ~15 year old MTB bicycle chained to a tree on pitch 4 where you can share a belay if ropes are your thing.
Booty?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Sep 10, 2018 - 10:03am PT
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More like garbage by now. It would still be the bicycle route if someone cleaned it up, cuz there used to be a bike up there.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 12, 2018 - 10:48am PT
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Hopefully the woman is suspended from the practice of law, if not disbarred.
Sneaking around taking stuff that isn't yours, regardless of the motive (and I'm not sure that it was anything other than simple theft) isn't really compatible with the practice of law.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Sep 12, 2018 - 10:51am PT
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In the pokey, they called repeat offenders frequent fliers. Recidivism is real! So much for the civil disobedience argument.
Makes me want to light some boulders on fire, you know, for old times sake, leave no trace...
Actions have consequences.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Sep 12, 2018 - 10:57am PT
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I think the real estate agent who lied to police about the value of his supposedly stolen and not abandon property should also lose his license, if he feels truly just in thinking McLean should lose hers over this matter.
The guy sounds like a whiny vindictive POS to me.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Sep 12, 2018 - 11:11am PT
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Holy search warrants Batman.. they're cooked if they really kept all the stuff they stole. stupid stupid stupid!!!!
She'll definitely be disbarred for a felony conviction. The only hope would be lenient sentencing/suspended sentences/etc...
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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Sep 12, 2018 - 11:18am PT
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Not fair to blame methheads, a lawyer did this.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Sep 12, 2018 - 11:29am PT
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I don't see anything on Mrs McLean traveling either way. Looks to me like she's out walking the dog - an accessory at best.
They're using her position to get at Andrew - it's really petty.
If the police stuck to the facts this would be over very quickly, instead it's purposely been made into a complete sh!t show.
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GuapoVino
climber
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Sep 12, 2018 - 11:47am PT
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Some hunters can be pretty bold and confrontational. I had a few that kept hunting on my land even when I convinced them that their employer did NOT own the land they were hunting on. The last time one of the guys was so confrontational that he threatened me. A couple times I had to show them where the property line was and that I did not give them permission to hunt on my property. Then they had to be told that it was not ok for them to use my property to access their employer's property. After that I began taking any gear of theirs that I found on my property (mostly trail cams) and sold it on Ebay.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Sep 12, 2018 - 11:49am PT
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( it is freaking me out that my very current life's challenges, often play out in a similar way in Taco-land)
not that I'm asking,
but what would you do the 2nd time!
if a neighbor, hunting out of season, shoots a deer but only wounds it, then tracks it onto adjacent property(clearly not owned by said hunter)
When the property is posted.
The issue has been dealt with once,
when actions taken destroyed a memory chip, not the device,
(BUT While on Private Property, so Trespass, was a possibility)
The case was made, seemed simple clear,
-it was not-
I looked into all of it,
& made it very complicated,
That sent attorneys scurrying for precedents, long story
I was ordered to pay 150 bucks for the stalking camera,
if it was turned over to me,
it was not, I still payed the phuk.
& Then Last week it happened again?
This neibor is a favord son of a large family,
A High School Teacher in a place he is sorely needed despite his limitations,
It is well known that he does not play well with others-
has a place that was in foreclosure for a dozen years,
has all the chips on his side of the table
so
I am poop outa-lucky-strikes
Might as well smoke a cigarette,
I've been phooked
I went & looked some thing up, it is not a match for stealing equipmentWest's Utah Code Annotated. Title 23. Wildlife Resources Code of Utah. Chapter 20. Enforcement--Violations and Penalties.
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Primary Citation: U.C.A. 1953 § 23-20-29, 23-20-29.5
Country of Origin: United States
Last Checked: March, 2018
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Summary:
This section reflects Utah's hunter harassment provisions. A person is guilty of a class B misdemeanor who intentionally interferes with the right of a person, licensed and legally hunting, to take wildlife by driving, harassing, or intentionally disturbing any species of wildlife for the purpose of disrupting a legal hunt, trapping, or predator control. A person adversely affected, or the state, may bring a civil action for damages resulting from the violation or a seek a restraining order. This section does not apply to incidental interference with a hunt caused by lawful activities including, but not limited to, ranching, mining, and recreation.
§ 23-20-29. Interference with hunting prohibited--Action to recover damages--Exceptions
(1) A person is guilty of a class B misdemeanor who intentionally interferes with the right of a person licensed and legally hunting under Chapter 19,Licenses, Permits, and Tags to take wildlife by driving, harassing, or intentionally disturbing any species of wildlife for the purpose of disrupting a legal hunt, trapping, or predator control.
(2) Any directly affected person or the state may bring an action to recover civil damages resulting from a violation of Subsection (1) or a restraining order to prevent a potential violation of Subsection (1).
(3) This section does not apply to incidental interference with a hunt caused by lawful activities including ranching, mining, and recreation.
CREDIT(S)
Laws 1986, c. 67, § 1; Laws 2011, c. 297, § 124, eff. May 10, 2011.
§ 23-20-29.5. Interference with hunters or hunting activity--Prosecution under criminal code
A person who intentionally interferes with a person who is licensed and taking wildlife legally under the provision of Title 23, Chapter 19, or disrupts an activity involving a legal hunt, trapping, falconry, or predator control may be charged with a violation under Section 76-9-102 if that interference or disruption constitutes a violation under Section 76-9-102.
From
https://www.animallaw.info/statute/ut-hunting-%C2%A7-23-20-29-interference-hunting-prohibited-action-recover-damages-exceptions
Laws like this cost big $$ to defend, & To fight in court, They often are deemed inappropriate
-but- In this case,??
Fear & I, as Connecticut residents, can hunt on a 1/4 acre if we want to & have permission from the land owner.
Here we are so well led as a user group made up of cops & lawyers, that they regularly send out this;
DEALING WITH HARASSMENT
All hunters, regardless of where they hunt, should be prepared for the possibility of being harassed. Your behavior if you are harassed is extremely important. Maintain your composure and do not retaliate. If you are interviewed by the media, project a positive image. Connecticut has a hunter harassment law that protects the rights of sportsmen. If you decide to press charges, make sure you have a strong case by:
making it evident that the antagonists are following you by going in several directions;
asking your antagonists why they are harassing you;
being able to identify and describe the individuals;
taking the license numbers of their vehicles if possible; and
not responding with violence or threatening a protester with bodily harm. The sticky things get stickier, when the hunting is on-going, ignoring seasonal bans/restrictions , &/or when the ownership of the land is in question or can be challenged.
Hunting on a "right-of-way" or a contested/"Clouded" (un-satisfied leans, after sale, un-paid taxes, or paid by a third party after the fact. . . ) All this can and does play out when a hand gun is used to finish off an injured animal that has been tracked into my yard. . . .Ooops to much information...
in this case, it seems
(-all- will be a NON-Issue)
Taking abandoned property home with you re-sets the bar; turning a deliberate attempt to "make a statement against hunting thru civil disobedience, into a charge that in this case has been grossly exaggerated into Felony Theft
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Sep 12, 2018 - 12:37pm PT
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If the limit there is $1,500 for a felony, they're already close to or over it by stealing two stands and/or cams. Once the cops had the warrants and searched their property and found moar loot, that's super bad since it implicates them in more cases.
If they only had the one offense and no priors, they'd have a good chance of avoiding a felony prosecution. But the new evidence pretty much erases that chance now unless she's got some really good friends at the prosecutor's office.
I'm not a big fan of hunting but hunters, at least around here, do serve a huge purpose of keeping certain species at sustainable levels. I've only got a problem with them when they violate safety laws, particularly alcohol and shooting after/before there's ample light. I'm a stickler for proper firearm handling and have had to educate more than a few encountered on hikes. Most apologize after flagging me/others with a muzzle or similar offense. Had one guy yell that "it's not loaded"... I yelled back "I don't care!"... lol
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 12, 2018 - 01:05pm PT
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Last time I was at a public range during a "cease fire" while people went to their targets, I turned around to see a fat woman taking a bead on me with a rifle.
I shouted, "WTF are you doing?"
She said, "Don't worry, the safety is on"
I should have wrapped it around her head.
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