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couchmaster

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 24, 2018 - 05:10am PT

Well, the bottle of wine I tossed down last night might not have been one of my brighter actions. A study of studies across continents and country's leads to this glaring headline: "Zero tolerance: no safe level of alcohol, study says".

F*#k. Well, I've got 2 full cases of bourbon in the basement and cases of wine to get through first I guess.

Agence France Presse link:
http://www.afp.com/en/news/23/zero-tolerance-no-safe-level-alcohol-study-says-doc-18j2nt1


ps, please note that the words alcohol, and news were misspelled, but no words were harmed in this report.
valiant

Trad climber
california
Aug 24, 2018 - 05:45am PT
in a dirty den i laid upon the planck floor
my hip and shoulder dug in, my head crooked uncomfortably.
my ear aimed down heard utterings from below.
either people in the basement or hellions leagues below awaiting my arrival.

my mouth, oriented vertically, weeped saliva.
with my shortish-moustache, it looked like a vagina;
or so said the gal laying next to me, her back against the wall.

"it's funny," i replied in my stupor. "i can see up your
skirt and your vagina is horizontal and it looks like a toothless mouth."

then i realized, "if you scoot over here and kiss me, it'll be like you're giving me cunnilingus, and if i make out between your legs it'll just be a first kiss."

so she did and her 'coholic breath somehow planted a seed in my man-gina and now i'm pregnant with even poetry. odd?

booze is the devil. it absolutely is. it's f*#ked. it tempts us in and then strips us of prowess, dignity, poise, and esteem.
Tom Patterson

Trad climber
Seattle
Aug 24, 2018 - 05:48am PT
"...in the 15-49 age bracket, alcohol emerged as the most lethal factor, responsible for more than 12 percent of deaths among men, the study found...The main causes of alcohol-related deaths in this age group were tuberculosis, road injuries and 'self-harm', mainly suicide."

Sort of a misleading title, but important, nonetheless.

valiant

Trad climber
california
Aug 24, 2018 - 05:51am PT
i'm the devil wearing god's clothes.

let me your errant destiny and i'll write it.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Aug 24, 2018 - 06:03am PT
"...in the 15-49 age bracket, alcohol emerged as the most lethal factor, responsible for more than 12 percent of deaths among men, the study found...The main causes of alcohol-related deaths in this age group were tuberculosis, road injuries and 'self-harm', mainly suicide."
Car accidents are by far the leading cause of death in males 15-49,
and yeah, they are often related to alcohol.
Tuberculosis is not related to alcohol.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
Aug 24, 2018 - 06:15am PT
Compared to abstinence, imbibing one "standard drink" -- 10 grammes of alcohol, equivalent to a small beer, glass of wine or shot of spirits -- per day, for example, ups the odds of developing at least one of two dozen health problems by about half-a-percent, the researchers reported.



Rock climbers are going to stop drinking based on a one half of one per cent increase in risk ??
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Aug 24, 2018 - 06:17am PT
Its so obvious & easy to not take a drop once the real drugz kick in, as is need'd for ... from having taken a severe drop. . .
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Aug 24, 2018 - 06:27am PT
So much for plant based diets.
WBraun

climber
Aug 24, 2018 - 07:07am PT
What do you need alcohol for anyways?

You are NOT a motor vehicle ......

WBraun

climber
Aug 24, 2018 - 07:28am PT
The meat eaters have to drink wine with their meat to digest it.

Otherwise disease ......
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Aug 24, 2018 - 07:38am PT
Jody: I thought red wine was supposed to be good for the heart? That is what I have been told all of my life.

For those of us with A-fib, alcohol is not a friend of heart muscles. It tends to screw with the electrical system of the heart.

Red wine appears to be good for coronary heart disease, but thatís different than electrical glitches that can give rise to bradycardia and tachycardia.

Like most everything else, the medical community is not clear about about the links between these things. They can, for example, describe A-Fib, but theyíre not really sure why it shows up.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Aug 24, 2018 - 08:31am PT
Donít worry boys, pot will be legal in all 50 states soon enough. I hear it cures cancer.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 24, 2018 - 08:33am PT
Breaking News! NOBODY gets out alive.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Aug 24, 2018 - 10:02am PT
For those of us with A-fib, alcohol is not a friend of heart muscles. It tends to screw with the electrical system of the heart.

Red wine appears to be good for coronary heart disease, but thatís different than electrical glitches that can give rise to bradycardia and tachycardia.

Careful, you're sounding here a bit like a biomechanist. lol

...

Like most everything else, the medical community is not clear... -MikeL

Really? You mean in cases like... smoking causes lung cancer? certain germs (bacteria and viruses) cause diseases like dysentery, cholera, malaria, small pox, rabies? X-rays, MRIs, cat scans are net-beneficial?

Not clear?

You mean in its stances like... the medical community can actually learn about human functioning, develop corrective procedures based on this learning to relieve ailments, then practice and train in these procedures (often as much art as science or vice versa) and improve lives?

Not clear?

Speaking of net... I know you're net-appreciative of science, yet you post so, so very much in the opposing slant, fair to say, relentlessly, I think (see Mind thread), seemingly taking a jab at it at every opportunity.

Maybe we need a holiday in our culture Ė maybe around Easter time - where we all take time, set aside time purposefully, to appreciate all the good things to come our way just since the modern age (from the medical community and elsewhere) - all the good things we tend to take for granted, day in and day out, because of our busy lives. Just a thought.

I think your general criticisms (nihilistic, fatalistic, post-modern) are misplaced - really having more to do with how nature works, how it operates, at its most fundamental levels (often coldly, unfairly, etc.) than with science or education (e.g., science education).

Extended in-depth studies in the basic sciences would have shown this.
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Aug 24, 2018 - 10:27am PT
Hey Jody. I made it to Joe's Other Place and A J's Spurs on the same day. Had to make a run down to Ventura to pick up my truck.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Aug 24, 2018 - 11:00am PT
I thought red wine was supposed to be good for the heart? That is what I have been told all of my life.

And the wine industry has worked extremely hard in order to make you think that.

It looks like their money, I mean hard work, has paid off.

And did you read the one about losing weight with the new, "eat all the hamburger, fries, and cokes that you want, diet"?
DanaB

climber
CO
Aug 24, 2018 - 04:39pm PT
They can, for example, describe A-Fib, but theyíre not really sure why it shows up.

If you're interested, I can send you some excellent and up-to-date articles on the etiology of atrial fibrillation.
DanaB

climber
CO
Aug 24, 2018 - 07:19pm PT
Jody, I'll do that; should see them in the next few days.
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Aug 25, 2018 - 08:39am PT
Hi, Jody,

All I can report is what Iíve read and what Iíve heard from a couple of electrophysiologists and cardiologists. What those people had to say to me related to my specific situation, and what I read were scientific journal articles, but of course not comprehensive. A-fib is not my area of expertise, but I think I can recognize a consensus or a set of ambiguous contradictions when I see them.

Yeah, caffeine affects some people with A-Fib a lot. Others, not at all. For me, alcohol consumption is highly correlated with A-Fib events, although there appears to be a 12-24 hour lag. In my life, Iíd venture a hypothesis that any duress can give rise to A-Fib in me.

Two years ago I completely quit all alcohol and caffeine, got a heart monitor, and kept a journal of daily events and their measurements. I canít say whether or not that constituted a scenario for biofeedback conditioning, but in about two monthís time, A-Fib was gone. My cardiologist at UW Medicine said he had never seen that.

I thought, ďHA! Beat it.Ē Two years later I drifted back into drinking, and now the A-Fib has returned. That experience was an incomplete experiment, and now Iíve enlisted some heart people here in Arizona to help me figure out how I should proceed this time around. Iíve almost cut off all alcohol again, and itís making a big difference (again), but Iím early in my process.

Who was it that said that everything thatís fun is either immoral, fattening, or unhealthy? Geesh.
Ezra Ellis

Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
Aug 25, 2018 - 08:44am PT
Jody
Mikes post above is thoughtful and accurate,
I know a little about heart disease
Ez
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Aug 25, 2018 - 08:48am PT
Oh, . . . and HFCS,

Try to give some leeway for people to be more than one personality or individual or image. The problem with stereotyping is that it makes people into things. I am all those things you say and much more.

ďDo I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself;
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)Ē
(Whitman)
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 25, 2018 - 06:30pm PT
hey there, say, all...

good to see folks wanting to help out, and share...

jody, prayers for you dad... give him a 'hey there' for me...
(might have something to send him, soon, or, at least, in two weeks...


also, jim brennan... neat cat pic...
neat play on words...
thanks for sharing... it does cause a body to think, too...


mikeL... thanks for sharing your experience...
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 25, 2018 - 06:35pm PT
no level of living is not deadly
Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Aug 25, 2018 - 06:55pm PT
The mortality rate is 100%. The only question is what and when.

Drink up, fellers.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 25, 2018 - 09:01pm PT
Alcohol is a factor in about 40% of all violent crime.

Consumption tends to convert violent thoughts and impulses into violent actions.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 25, 2018 - 09:20pm PT
Why Scientists Think Baby Poop Is a Medical Gold Mine

Baby poop ó as part of probiotic cocktail ó could prove good for your health, says Wake Forest School of Medicine study
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