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Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 12, 2018 - 10:23am PT
So, I had a medical issue a month ago. Iíve been a partier, alcohol user, and drug dabbler for my whole adult life and itís been catching up with me. I had an episode of pancreatitis (my third in four years), and felt pain that surpassed any dislocations or broken bones that Iíve ever incurred. Drinking has ceased, and Iíve also dialed in my diet to where I feel really good when I wake up naturally at 5am. This is good. The other good is how in one month Iíve dropped 15 pounds and keep on framing homes. Itís physically demanding work, and my body keeps up with it. Has anyone else been in my place? Any advice? My diet now is no breakfast, a pita pocket with turkey, hummus, cheddar, and bell pepper for lunch. My dinner is straight animal protein, chicken or cow, and desert is low-fat yogurt with fruit. Thatís all I eat. No coffee, just water. Juice with desert sometimes, but thatís a lot of sugar and my pancreas hates sugar. I feel great and am looking for input to keeping this greatness going. Any feedback is appreciated.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 12, 2018 - 10:43am PT
No breakfast? My granny wouldnít approve of that!

Best wishes, Brandon.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 12, 2018 - 10:51am PT
Dump the animal products and processed foods. Didn't you marry/date a vegan?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 12, 2018 - 10:58am PT
A high protein diet with natural sugars and low carbs seems to be working for me. My wife is and has been a vegetarian for twenty years. She hates the smell of flesh cooking, but accepts it as good trade off, as I donít eat pigs (super smart, therefore shouldnít be eaten apparently). Cows and chickens are still ok, and theyíre easy protein. Also, lots of yogurt and eggs.
okay, whatever

climber
Aug 12, 2018 - 11:00am PT
Well, I'm 64, and am 6'0" and 165#, which seems to be a good setpoint. I just eat a lot of fresh stuff... broccoli, carrots, spinach, all kinds of fruit, etc. And I mostly rely on peanuts and dairy for protein, though I do eat fish and turkey once or twice a week, and even beef and pork if that's what's being served when I'm a guest at someone's house, say. I think that if your day-to-day nutrient input includes the must-haves, and your caloric input matches your caloric output, more or less, you're doing fine. And the occasional "sin" is no big deal to me, as long as it's not habitual... ice cream or bacon or fast food or whatever. Staying physically active on a more or less daily basis seems to make me want the right stuff, more than the wrong stuff, in any case. But that's just my experience, and I do realize that other people's experience can be quite different, for many reasons....
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 12, 2018 - 11:06am PT
If you are just looking for a little tweek to avoid another pancreatic issue, it's not going to happen.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 12, 2018 - 11:10am PT
How so? Everything Iíve been told leads me to believe that a properly balanced diet will correct pancreatic issues.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Aug 12, 2018 - 11:47am PT
Your pancreas secretes juice every time you eat. Overwork it and it inflames. The itis in pancreatitis. Eating twice a day with water only between meals will give it a huge break and itís very hard to get cavities that way too. Especially by eating food and no food products. Nothing with a nutrition label.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Aug 12, 2018 - 12:04pm PT
Brandon,
What you are doing is right. No breakfast (I stave mine off with coffee) and the protein at dinner is right. Glad you got it going.

Arne
perswig

climber
Aug 12, 2018 - 02:44pm PT
Curious as to why folks are being told the 'no breakfast' thing, from a physiology point of view.
Is it the timing (first meal), or is it that foods many of us consume at breakfast tend to be potential pancreatic (and IBD) triggers?

TIA.
Dale
Robb

Social climber
Cat Box
Aug 12, 2018 - 03:38pm PT
3 episodes in 4 years....ETOH
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Aug 12, 2018 - 03:59pm PT


do you drink monster?
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Aug 12, 2018 - 11:21pm PT
Dale,

For me its just that I try not to eat till I'm ready to burn it. If I'm moving into the day slowly I like to feel good and light before I eat. The only strategy I have is to never eat and then rest. Don't know if that is "correct" but I feel it works for me.

Arne
perswig

climber
Aug 13, 2018 - 03:08am PT
Ah, thank you Arne.
I thought someone was ascribing some sort of diurnal rhythm to pancreatic function or GI absorption (plausible but something I had not heard before), but the timing of intake and individual metabolism needs makes good sense. Would recruit other on-demand factors and might lessen the direct pancreatic wind-up.

Dale
couchmaster

climber
Aug 13, 2018 - 07:19am PT
Congrats on breaking the alcohol habit. Itís some nasty stuff. I did construction for a while and about the time it was ending I was a bonafide alcoholic. Now I drink, but stay on top of it so itís under control. Best of luck going forward Brandon.
Gunkie

Trad climber
Valles Marineris
Aug 13, 2018 - 09:08am PT
Well done. Avoid excessive processed sugars (e.g. alcohol, white breads, un-needed carbs) and count your calories. Good proteins are good. Don't shy away from good fats. Eat unprocessed foods when possible. Eat fresh veggies and fruits. Stay hydrated. Stay the course even when screwing up your diet for a weekend.
perswig

climber
Aug 13, 2018 - 10:05am PT
Stay hydrated.

Gotta agree. A lot of inflammatory and even some degenerative diseases (intervertebral discs) seem to revolve at least in part on circulation and microtrauma from chronic/repeat vascular compromise. I suspect few of us really hydrate well.

Dale
Jim Clipper

climber
Aug 13, 2018 - 10:15am PT
No real advice:

Congrats on making yourself healthier!
You are losing weight, you may get to a point where you want to gain muscle, maintain your weight, etc.
Why does weight yo yo so often for people on diets?
Your goals, and diet may change as you get older (seems like we all do).
I can get bored following a regimen. Instead of sticking to one diet, what about serial diets with a smooth transition between them?
Hunger is a great flavor additive.
Glycogen window & metabolism? Eat some before or while exercising?
You seem to have already found some of your own answers, congrats!

Finally, I believe that pancreatitis can be serious. Episodes may result in the development of other chronic conditions. If you've been given good, science based, medical advice, do your best to follow it.
GuapoVino

climber
Aug 13, 2018 - 11:04am PT
I follow a guy named Dr Berg on youtube. He pushes the keto diet, which is what I do when I'm not going off the rails and cheating. Helathy fats, moderate quality protein, stay away from sugars and processed carbs. I eat a lot of salads, vegetables, fruit sparingly, moderate protein consumption.

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2018 - 02:27pm PT
Lots of affirmations of what Iím currently doing, thanks. Validation helps. Yes, Iím cutting out as many carbs as possible (most), eating a ton of fruits and veggies (when I went in to the ER my potassium levels were way low), Iíve always tried to drink a gallon of water each day, no alcohol (huge), lots of protein, and only the good sugars or fats.

I had to look up ETOH, and thatís not it. Iíd been alcohol free for a month before this current episode.

Thanks all for the knowledge and encouragement, Iím lighter than Iíve been in years and feeling pretty good! Pretty much ready to tie in and crush any 5.8 I find, lol.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 13, 2018 - 03:30pm PT
https://forums.jlconline.com/forums/forum/jlc-online-peer-to-peer-forums/business-strategies/17978-life-expectancy-of-a-carpenter


Some of your co-workers discussion
Jim Clipper

climber
Aug 13, 2018 - 03:44pm PT
Dude, why the negativity?

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I remember your stoke when you met your wife. BEST wishes on your trip/journery/way.


whatevs.

michaeld

climber
Beta Sprayer at your Gym
Aug 24, 2018 - 04:14pm PT
I was drinking every night, a lot, for months. I cut it out cold turkey 4 almost 5 weeks ago. I started the Keto diet.

I'm doing roughly 80% fat, 15% protein, 5% carbs (fiber) a day. Bulking days I'll probably push the fat up and rest down.

I don't crave alcohol, I went from a pack a day to not wanting another cigarette. It completely cuts your tolerance.

I've been climbing pretty heavily since I started the diet, and my muscle recovery is way faster than before. I'm getting leaner very quick, and my muscles seem to be growing quicker. I am really enjoying this diet, and I recommend people who are overweight, have any health issues, or people who want to maybe improve their mental health try it.
monolith

climber
state of being
Aug 25, 2018 - 07:24am PT
Low carb diets reduce lifespan.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(18)30135-X/fulltext

Go with the science, not anecdotal claims subject to personal bias, or latest diet trends.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2018 - 09:07am PT
Just got back from a quick 20 miler in the White mountains of NH with my puppy. We overnighted, so it wasnít 20 in one push. The weight lost was noticeable, I moved more nimbly, fatigued slower. I ate carbs, but not many. My feet are beaten up from wearing my light hiking shoes/work shoes, rather than a good boot, but all is well. Gotta say, a couple of gu packets keeps you going all day no problem.
michaeld

climber
Beta Sprayer at your Gym
Aug 25, 2018 - 11:18am PT
Ah man, the monkeys are sending. 40 gu packs and a liter of water.

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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 25, 2018 - 02:11pm PT
Like Groucho said,'If I had known I would live so long I would have taken better care of myself."

From 173 I've dropped to 136 and am climbing again

My new front teeth are a problem though, they whistle every time I say an S. Dingus would hate me even more.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 25, 2018 - 06:22pm PT
hey there say, Brandon- ... wow, very wonderful to hear from you!!!

such fun, with puppy, too!


keep taking care of yourself...
and, god bless to you and the wife, and your work-chores...
and, of course, to puppy, too!
ryanb

climber
Hamilton, MT
Aug 25, 2018 - 07:35pm PT
Diabetic here (ie my pancreas produces no insulin). Can't say i've got diet fully figured out but definitely experimented with it and recently been monitoring with a continuous glucose monitor (CGM).

The skipping breakfast thing sounds like a form of "16/8 intermittent fasting" where you try to get your body to stay in fat / protein burning mode by limiting your eating to an 8 hour window each day. A diabetic climbing partner has been experimenting with this and likes it, i'm not sure how much science is behind it.

For me the biggest realization from the CGM has been that how fast some foods turn into sugar in your blood. Like if i eat "wheat" toast that isn't 100% whole grain i'll get a massive short spike in blood-sugar i don't get with real whole grain. So looking at your diet you might consider making sure the pita is whole grain and the yogurt is unsweetened greek to reduce the load on your pancreas.

I'm also starting to believe things like energy gels/drinks are counter productive at last for me. Like if i go for a hike/ski with them they seem to nock me into sugar burning mode and i have trouble staying stable without consuming insulin and sugar. My blood sugar is much stabler if i stick with a fatty/protein heavy snack before the exercise then only break out the sugar in smaller amounts if i start to bonk.
bringmedeath

climber
la la land
Aug 25, 2018 - 10:10pm PT
It is amazing what eating healthy will do for you. You are in a very different situation than me, I don't try to reduce natural sugars. I pretty much rage lots of fruit. It makes me feel awesome. Best I have ever felt. But sounds like that amount of fruit probably will be bad in your case. So try and focus on the berries.

Lots of veg is always good. Salads are easy for me to eat. Some people I know struggle to eat huge salads, this is when a big smoothie is good. Lots of greens fit in one big smoothie! I make lots of smoothies. Currently I'm all into one with whole English cucumber, a juiced lemon, and a fat hunk of ginger.

Try and eat an avacodo a day. I love it. Wish it was cheaper but helll, booze and drugs were always more than this thing.

I love bread, but I believe it is a struggle for most people to process. I try to eat way way less of it now. I don't completely avoid it, but I feel better not eating it. Like someone else said, go with whole grain and various sprouted products. Or maybe sometimes use lettuce and create a wrap of sorts.

I sometimes now make a raw 'pasta' with spiralized zucchini. Can do lots of stuff for a sauce. I'm into raw nut, avacodo, and herb based sauces.

Fish is awesome! Feel way less tired and sluggish after eating it than red meat. I like chicken too, but fish is hard to pass up.

Dairy, hmm. Wish I could eliminate it. Still failed to do that. I now make my own raw nut milks. Super good. Lots of info online about doing this.

Buy a high speed blender like vitamix and you can do so much awesome stuff. Makes it way easier for me to make yummy stuff.

You are on a great start!!! Stick with it! For me the hardest thing is sticking with it when my life gets busy. If you just eliminated most of the drinking and drugs. Your body will thank you. Overtime you can get your diet right for you and will never look back!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 27, 2018 - 10:07am PT
Another Nickname, I scanned your post a couple of days ago and came away with a positive feeling from your words. Upon further reading, I see that youíre being an ass, as usual. Do you ever write anything positive, or at least neutral? My guess is no. You seem to only write negative things. Why? Did you never climb as well as you had hoped? Me neither. Do you think climbers can be pretentious? Me too. Where does that leave you? IMO, it leaves you as a d#@&%ey naysayer who has nothing constructive to offer. All you share are negative comments. Please refrain in the future. :)
A Essex

climber
Aug 27, 2018 - 12:06pm PT
intermittent fasting, keto-fat heavy, is the best way IMO

G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Aug 27, 2018 - 12:23pm PT
I personnally enjoyed Another Nickname's post. I thought it was entirely on point and timely. Sorry if that makes me an a$$ too but if you can't take a joke what does that say about you.

And fasting and keto are not good for you. Especially long term.
couchmaster

climber
Aug 27, 2018 - 02:33pm PT

Let it be like water off of a ducks back Brandon. I think no-name was just on a roll from the "Alchohol: sad newz" thread: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=3118338&tn=0&mr=0

Hang in there, don't let some random online discourse make your blood pressure go nutz and you'll be fine. No reason to let someone you don't know and don't respect twist yer panties all up is what I say. I've decided recently I'm going to try and drop 20 lbs so that my knee can get unkneeziled.

phylp

Trad climber
Upland, CA
Aug 27, 2018 - 03:01pm PT
I just saw this Brandon. It was alarming to hear about your pancreatitis issues. As you know, it's very dangerous and can be deadly. So good for you that you are doing everything you can do via diet and lifestyle to get healthier.
Best of luck and be well, Phyl
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 27, 2018 - 04:55pm PT
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Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 11, 2018 - 02:19pm PT
Down to 163, from a high three months ago of 187. This is good. I work a labor job and there have been no issues with energy. No caffeine for three months also. Seems like I never needed it. Only thing Iíve noticed is that my ability to pick up really heavy things has diminshed maybe 15-20%. Iím assuming that as I lost weight I lost both fat and muscle. My protein rich diet is assuredly good, and I get plenty of anaerobic exercise at work, just need to tie in again at a lighter weight and build the good muscle again. Just checking in, comments are always welcome.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Oct 11, 2018 - 03:42pm PT
Listen to your body, if what youíre doing makes you feel better keep it up.....little adjustments along the way.
I don't get into fad diets, I think they are too restrictive and dogmatic. I think I have the diet that works for me. Salad and vegetables every day. Protein is mostly fish with some bison and chicken thrown in. Zero fast food, nearly zero processed food. Oatmeal or whole grain cereal for breakfast with fruit and soy milk.
I have coffee to get up and go every morning but only in the morning.
I do still drink but I limit it to two glasses of wine with dinner.
Seems to work for me, my weight is low and stable and I am still very active climbing, hiking and pack rafting at 75.
Oh, and zero drugs and cigarettes.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 11, 2018 - 05:36pm PT
hey there, say, donini...

sounds, good... :)
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Oct 11, 2018 - 05:44pm PT
hey there, say, Brandon-- good to see the last 'check in' to give us
updates...

happy fall season, and some good hikes, perhaps, too... :)
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Oct 17, 2018 - 10:22am PT
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Stewart Johnson

Mountain climber
lake forest
Oct 17, 2018 - 10:33am PT
Try fasting
Read the Obesity Code by Jason Fung
clode

Trad climber
portland, or
Oct 17, 2018 - 03:55pm PT
I solved my drinking problem, I joined alcoholics anonymous. Oh, I still drink, I just use a different name!
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