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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Aug 10, 2018 - 10:40am PT
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To correct Jan a little bit...Utah is conservative. SLC itself is not. Democratic mayors, brewpubs, etc. It's probably less conservative than Colorado Springs.
But it's growing very rapidly, and from a housing perspective, is only cheap in comparison to the West Coast.
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looks easy from here
climber
Ben Lomond, CA
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Aug 10, 2018 - 10:51am PT
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Bend 7,000,000 tourists a year
Colorado Springs area 23,000,000 tourists a year
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Aug 10, 2018 - 10:58am PT
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Thailand, Climbing, Scuba, Jungle trek, Great food, nice people, CHEAP. Oh, awesome medical services.
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ThomasKeefer
Trad climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2018 - 12:01pm PT
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Fet-
Thanks! Sounds like we are in a similar boat. I can help you with HI ideas - I lived there for a few years until October of 2017. I would go back in a hearbeat - has everything but skiing. Oddly, I never climbed while there but Oahu has one fairly large crag out at Dillingham and a cool TR spot at Makapuu pt.
The schools are as bad as you might have heard and the traffic is insane if you are going where everyone else is. You can easily avoid that though.
I agree with most of what everyone is saying - I am slowly being talked out of VT which is why I have turned to the font of never ending wisdom here on the taco.
Thanks very much to everyone for the ideas - keep them coming!
Oh.. and Bremeton - I did work there for a bit in the shipyard. It was cool - but real estate is out of control and the weather is kinda tough.
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Aug 10, 2018 - 12:20pm PT
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I've always thought St, George, Utah looked like a nice place to live. Or Moab; though it's gotten a bit overrun.
SLC? Traffic and smog is bad from the bit I've been there.
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Aug 10, 2018 - 02:55pm PT
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Dillon Montana. University town. Affordable housing. Climbing, skiing.
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Aug 10, 2018 - 04:32pm PT
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Not Reno Tahoe Truckee NO! $$$$$$$$ so crowded, hot and expensive, A ski town without snow. Google and Tesla are on their way to Drano with more Traffic so more yups and everything is going to get more expensive if that's possible? priviledge and entitled Uber-families every where demanding everything they had in Los Gatos. Lame.
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briham89
Big Wall climber
santa cruz, ca
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Aug 10, 2018 - 04:39pm PT
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Not Reno Tahoe Truckee NO! $$$$$$$$ so crowded, hot and expensive, A ski town without snow. Google and Tesla are on their way to Drano with more Traffic so more yups and everything is going to get more expensive if that's possible? priviledge and entitled Uber-families every where demanding everything they had in Los Gatos. Lame.
I was in Truckee for the first time in about 8 years last weekend, and I couldn't f*#kin' believe the place. Felt like Los Gatos / SF on a Saturday night. So crazy
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steve s
Trad climber
eldo
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Aug 10, 2018 - 05:49pm PT
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Baraboo, Wisconsin. Enough said !
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Aug 11, 2018 - 07:17am PT
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I live a half hour or so from VT and if you can find a decent place to live I’d recommend it. Burlington is a little too yuppie/busy for my tastes, but everyone’s entitled to their own opinions. ;)
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Aug 11, 2018 - 07:33am PT
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Baraboo, Wisconsin. Enough said !
Skeeters.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Aug 11, 2018 - 08:17am PT
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I've always thought St, George, Utah looked like a nice place to live.
They call that part of Utah, Dixie. Nawmean
Possibly the most conservative part of the state.
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kpinwalla2
Social climber
WA
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Aug 11, 2018 - 08:27am PT
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I once took one of those online "where you should retire" surveys that was based on a bunch of things, including access to your favorite activities, affordability, cultural stuff, etc. To my great surprise, the survey concluded I should retire to Corvallis, OR. Why the surprise? Because I lived there for 6 years in the 80's and couldn't wait to leave for greener pastures (so to speak). The reason the survey picked Corvallis was: university town with all the amenities, one hour to the Oregon coast, 2 hours to the crest of the Cascades and skiing, 3 hours to Smith and the desert, great year-round mountain biking. There's even a mountain with a road to the top 30 min from town that has skiable snow much of the winter (Marys Peak). The winters and summers are both fairly mild. Why was I anxious to leave? Someone condemned the NW upthread as "too rainy" and someone else said "that's a misconception, it rains more in Chicago". Having lived in the NW for a long time, here's the issue: Yes the annual precipitation in Chicago and many other places in the eastern US is greater than Portland, Seattle, etc. (37 in. or so) That's not the problem. The problem is seemingly incessant cloudiness, fog, and drizzle from November-April. When I moved to Corvallis in August I thought it was paradise. Beautiful weather for 2 months. Then November came. It was socked in and cloudy and gray for the next 30 days with a bit of rain (often a "driving mist") every day. That doesn't put much water in the rain gauge, but after a few weeks you'll be craving sun (which you can get on the weekends if you're willing to drive the 3 hours to Sisters/Bend/Terrebonne). Best thing about Corvallis was the downtown, the year-round mountain biking and the ability to dramatically change your weather with a relatively short drive. Too hot in the summer? Drive an hour to the cool, cloudy coast. Too cloudy and wet in winter? Head to the desert on the other side of the mountains. If I was going to retire to the NW, knowing what I know, having lived here for almost 40 years, I'd probably pick the gorge (Hood River, White Salmon, Mosier). You can adjust your annual rainfall/cloudiness by moving a few miles east or west. There's a brief spell of really hot weather in the summer and a few weeks of persistent inversion fog in the dead of winter, but you can get above that by skiing in the nearby Cascades.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 11, 2018 - 09:03am PT
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What makes it challenging is being a mountain and an ocean person, drop one and your possibilities open right up. :-)
In the US California is really the only state that has great quality of both IMO. But really only SoCal is great for the Ocean because from central CA and north the water is cold and often the coastal weather is rough.
I get spoiled in Hawaii because you don't need a wetsuit and can be in the water for hours. We will/would be on the big island because we have family there and there's so much to do. We go about every other year for the last 20 years and still find new things to do. But we like Kona and it's expensive.
Lived in Truckee Tahoe from 1993 to 1997. We went back a few years later and housing had tripled.
Lived in Alaska 1998. I could deal with the winters. But summer days that were partly cloudy and 68 and people were raving how nice the weather was and I'd say this is like winter in California.
I have family that move from CA to Seattle area they said what is above; its the long periods of drizzly weather that suck.
Also second the above about Montana, it could be a great mountain locale and not super expensive.
Someone mentioned south of SLC in Utah. It's almost great. Close to Zion. Not expensive but the ski hills are tiny.
Moab is great but becoming like Truckee and no good ski areas nearby.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 11, 2018 - 09:08am PT
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St. George is not a small town anymore; sprawling californicated suburbia.
They now have rush hour traffic, in 112 degree heat.
If you can do without the ocean, then the place to go in Utah is over 6000'.
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Aug 11, 2018 - 10:23am PT
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Cedar City. University town. Rumor to have an up and coming earth sciences program. A friend moved and retired to Brianhead and seems like he gets plenty of skiing in (his photo's are all over especially on KSL, etc).
I was surprised after climbing at (edit to add) Roger's Rock in the Daks, enroute to Rumney, we needed a place to stay enroute and ended up in Hanover. Didn't dawn on me that Dartmouth was there (too funny). Anyhoo...nice area. Your house budget would do really well around Rumney. Seems like you're moving away from the right coast options...
Boise?
My sister lives in Spokane. Nice spot!
Plenty of liberals in my hometown of Missoula (if you're looking at less conservative). They had an unusually good ski season last year. Still...although prices are high, you could look down the Bitterroot valley at Hamilton, Stevi, even Darby (we like the Bandit Brewing folks...). Good skiing (limited but Lost Trail is great, and, you could make the trek over the pass to the mighty, mighty Maverick...ha ha). Can't beat the huntin' and fishin' if you're into that. Climbing and mtn biking close by. Big lakes for kite surfing.
Bozeman. Sure has changed. But, friends still really liking it.
Butte! Ha ha. Buy a city block.
What about Pocatello or IF? Kevin could give us the lowdown on SEI...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 11, 2018 - 10:47am PT
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Bozeman is still nice but Missoula is closer to the ocean! 🤡
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Aug 11, 2018 - 10:57am PT
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I still think Flagstaff is worth a shot. Climbing, mtn biking, skiing.
Lake Powell for kite surfing.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 12, 2018 - 01:25am PT
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I'm from Chicago and lived in NH for a bit before moving to Oregon in '87. Don't bother contrasting Oregon and Chicago rain - that's nonsense. And while Oregon doesn't get snow and doesn't have bugs, make no mistake, it's cold, wet and miserable here for the better part of the year. Unless you ski and make the trip to Mt Hood all the time or do the winter trek over to Smith (not a fun drive in the winter) then this likely isn't the place.
I moved here for the windsurfing, not the climbing, and that's world-class, but before I met my wife and stepdaughter I went to Asia for the winters and came back when it was nice again. Since we've been together I've instead had a software business and am heads down all winter coding so it's not so much an issue as that's when I make money, but I have to say it's getting way tiring all these winters later and we're not staying here any longer than we have to. In that, we share the same dilemma: where to go? Not sure, but not here.
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