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Bargainhunter

climber
Aug 9, 2018 - 03:37pm PT
The OP brings up an interesting question, similar to what many of us have contemplated. Werner, as usual, cuts through the BS and nails it. Troll or not, and perhaps he's in the throws of a manic crisis hence he's no longer responding (being charged up the wazoo in a U$A psych ward), or currently being strong armed by the Russian mafia to give up his retirement account passwords, but political corruption and risk of crime would make many of the advantages in moving to Russia simply unappealing. That being said, I have a friend who's traveling globally and works from his laptop and chooses to live there, though lately he's been spending more time in Kiev than Moscow.

Sounds like the OP wants a simpler life under his own terms. The USA is a great country in which to pursue that, just ignore the common trappings of mainstream Americana...thoughtless incessant consumerism, keeping up with the Jonses, blind commitment to living in increasingly unaffordable cities, towns, etc. US Healthcare costs are out of control, and are my largest annual expense after taxes, so I empathize there. There are many alternatives. A relative who never saved for retirement moved to Portugal and is loving it, especially the specialty healthcare consultations that cost a mere few dollars per visit.

While many scoff at these off-topic posts on the taco, I enjoy them. It's a discussion of life, just like post climb chats around the picnic table with beer in hand in Camp 4...all sorts of topics come up. In the 1980's I was staying at the AAC climber's ranch in the Tetons and climber from Poland gave a slide show on "Political Dissent Art prior to Glasnost" or something like that. It had nothing to do with climbing, and I thought it was cool.
pell

climber
Moscow
Aug 9, 2018 - 03:58pm PT
A bit of seriousness to the thread.

As a person who have moved back and forth and have finally found a peace let me throw a couple words. It is not an environment to make your life better it is you to make a better environment to your life. As we say in Russia «Где родился, там и пригодился» which could be translated as "One can make the most use of theirs life at the place they were born." Moving somewhere to make a shift is not a real option. The real option is to make a shift. It is all about your spirit, it is all about your will. There is no paradise on the Earth. The only way to make one's life better is to work harder. Moving somewhere for better life is kinda looser's attitude. Stay where you belong to and work hard to make your life (and life of your descendants) better.
i-b-goB

Social climber
Nutty
Aug 9, 2018 - 04:05pm PT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 04:06pm PT
There is no paradise on the Earth

You haven’t been to Norway apparently. OK, maybe it isn’t paradise but it is Valhalla.
pell

climber
Moscow
Aug 9, 2018 - 04:13pm PT
You haven’t been to Norway apparently.

I've been to Kazakhstan. Almaty is kinda the best place to live. Although it is not Siberia where I am originated from. Thus Siberia is the best place in the known Universe.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Aug 9, 2018 - 04:15pm PT
Yeah, but too nice is f*#king boring, Reilly. That's not from me, by the way. It's from the African stucco crew who like Canada but wonder why nothing ever happens here. They're used to rampaging elephants, warring neighbours who have you in their sights, famine, plenty and some proper, improper politics.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 9, 2018 - 05:05pm PT
From The Guardian:
Donald Trump’s environmental policies may have caused controversy in the US but the president’s stance has managed to get him a literal stamp of approval from a Russian mining company.

Uralasbest, one of the world’s largest producers and sellers of asbestos, has taken to adorning pallets of its product with a seal of Trump’s face, along with the words “Approved by Donald Trump, 45th president of the United States”.

The move follows the US Environmental Protection Agency’s recent decision not to ban new asbestos products outright. The EPA said it would evaluate new uses of asbestos but environmental groups have criticized the agency for not going further by barring them on public health grounds.
An article in Rolling Stone (hence climbing related because of the 'stone' mention. Maybe the 'rolling' counts too):
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-asbestos-707642/

And finally, an actual not photo shopped picture. MAGA!!!

Thanks Trump, from your Ruskie friends.   We love you.
Thanks Trump, from your Ruskie friends. We love you.
Credit: Winemaker

Better one.
Credit: Winemaker

What can you say? Damn.

Edited to add: I suspect that Trump may not be 'science driven'.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 07:49pm PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTnSXK_dHM

Things like this might brighten up your day in Russia or maybe we should go to war with them; she would make a wonderful POW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhRAZpmEX2M
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 10:28pm PT
JB, you need to get yer homies onto the rock to stave off the dreaded Canuckian ennui.
Or introduce them to some bored housewives in W Van.
Jim Clipper

climber
Aug 9, 2018 - 11:16pm PT
That pallet may be the most subversive work of art, and maybe the most Soviet thing I've seen in some time.
































Edit: Can I afford to get one shipped to Russ's compound?
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
Aug 9, 2018 - 11:48pm PT
Do they accept applications for American Refugees?
















selfish man

Gym climber
Austin, TX
Aug 10, 2018 - 03:06am PT
Here's some data about life in Russia vs US. Not sure how reliable. The data about crime rates is particularly enlightening

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/14/europe/russia-us-election-compare-intl/index.html
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Aug 10, 2018 - 10:06am PT
Credit: Larry Nelson
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 11, 2018 - 03:34pm PT
pell sounds like the world our immigrant forbears deliberately left behind.

We are an existentialist nation that can do anything (except make Mexico pay for the wall).
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 11, 2018 - 03:41pm PT
I’m boning up on my Roossian for a trip there. One thing I’m willing to bet on is that the Roosky Border officers will be more welcoming than the Kanadians’ my last three trips there, but knott nearly as welcoming as that HAWT Swedish Immigration officer in June! OMG!
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Aug 11, 2018 - 03:49pm PT


Reilly,
Mountain climber, The Other Monrovia- CA


. . . . . will be more welcoming than the Kanadians’ my last three trips there, but knott nearly as welcoming as that HAWT Swedish Immigration officer in June! OMG!
Reilly-



Right , those Sweet-dishes i'ma-imagining grating on ya'- out of boredom at the border girls, um I mean officers?


. . . . .




I gnow, They sure have that reach around down pat
















? Pat down down pat.











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