Should I return to Russia/is America gone bad beyond hope?


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Aug 9, 2018 - 03:58pm PT
A bit of seriousness to the thread.

As a person who have moved back and forth and have finally found a peace let me throw a couple words. It is not an environment to make your life better it is you to make a better environment to your life. As we say in Russia «Где родился, там и пригодился» which could be translated as "One can make the most use of theirs life at the place they were born." Moving somewhere to make a shift is not a real option. The real option is to make a shift. It is all about your spirit, it is all about your will. There is no paradise on the Earth. The only way to make one's life better is to work harder. Moving somewhere for better life is kinda looser's attitude. Stay where you belong to and work hard to make your life (and life of your descendants) better.

Social climber
Aug 9, 2018 - 04:05pm PT

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 04:06pm PT
There is no paradise on the Earth

You haven’t been to Norway apparently. OK, maybe it isn’t paradise but it is Valhalla.

Aug 9, 2018 - 04:13pm PT
You haven’t been to Norway apparently.

I've been to Kazakhstan. Almaty is kinda the best place to live. Although it is not Siberia where I am originated from. Thus Siberia is the best place in the known Universe.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Aug 9, 2018 - 04:15pm PT
Yeah, but too nice is f*#king boring, Reilly. That's not from me, by the way. It's from the African stucco crew who like Canada but wonder why nothing ever happens here. They're used to rampaging elephants, warring neighbours who have you in their sights, famine, plenty and some proper, improper politics.

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Aug 9, 2018 - 05:05pm PT
From The Guardian:
Donald Trump’s environmental policies may have caused controversy in the US but the president’s stance has managed to get him a literal stamp of approval from a Russian mining company.

Uralasbest, one of the world’s largest producers and sellers of asbestos, has taken to adorning pallets of its product with a seal of Trump’s face, along with the words “Approved by Donald Trump, 45th president of the United States”.

The move follows the US Environmental Protection Agency’s recent decision not to ban new asbestos products outright. The EPA said it would evaluate new uses of asbestos but environmental groups have criticized the agency for not going further by barring them on public health grounds.
An article in Rolling Stone (hence climbing related because of the 'stone' mention. Maybe the 'rolling' counts too):

And finally, an actual not photo shopped picture. MAGA!!!

Thanks Trump, from your Ruskie friends.   We love you.
Thanks Trump, from your Ruskie friends. We love you.
Credit: Winemaker

Better one.
Credit: Winemaker

What can you say? Damn.

Edited to add: I suspect that Trump may not be 'science driven'.

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 07:49pm PT

Things like this might brighten up your day in Russia or maybe we should go to war with them; she would make a wonderful POW

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 9, 2018 - 10:28pm PT
JB, you need to get yer homies onto the rock to stave off the dreaded Canuckian ennui.
Or introduce them to some bored housewives in W Van.
Jim Clipper

Aug 9, 2018 - 11:16pm PT
That pallet may be the most subversive work of art, and maybe the most Soviet thing I've seen in some time.

Edit: Can I afford to get one shipped to Russ's compound?

Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
Aug 9, 2018 - 11:48pm PT
Do they accept applications for American Refugees?

selfish man

Gym climber
Austin, TX
Aug 10, 2018 - 03:06am PT
Here's some data about life in Russia vs US. Not sure how reliable. The data about crime rates is particularly enlightening
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Aug 10, 2018 - 10:06am PT
Credit: Larry Nelson
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 11, 2018 - 03:34pm PT
pell sounds like the world our immigrant forbears deliberately left behind.

We are an existentialist nation that can do anything (except make Mexico pay for the wall).

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 11, 2018 - 03:41pm PT
I’m boning up on my Roossian for a trip there. One thing I’m willing to bet on is that the Roosky Border officers will be more welcoming than the Kanadians’ my last three trips there, but knott nearly as welcoming as that HAWT Swedish Immigration officer in June! OMG!
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
Aug 11, 2018 - 03:49pm PT

Mountain climber, The Other Monrovia- CA

. . . . . will be more welcoming than the Kanadians’ my last three trips there, but knott nearly as welcoming as that HAWT Swedish Immigration officer in June! OMG!

Right , those Sweet-dishes i'ma-imagining grating on ya'- out of boredom at the border girls, um I mean officers?

. . . . .

I gnow, They sure have that reach around down pat

? Pat down down pat.


Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2018 - 10:51pm PT
I haven't been reading the replies as I haven't been well.... reading them now, some good humor, and thanks for good wishes.

By the way, I'm not "he" but "she"; this makes the whole relocation to rural Russia more problematic (more dangerous, as crime is very high in rural Russia and the country is not women-friendly in general, but especially in rural areas, where there's lawlessness and the mentality like in the 19th century, at best). I'm still debating it, but it looks like Russia is the way to go.

I have only a modest amount of about 200K saved from past employment, when I had a good patch. Sure, I could buy a house in the US for around 100K, but having asthma and other problems... not sure how I can even support myself here, and here money can run out very fast. Can't breath well unless I'm in a very clean air....good luck finding that in any office now, or any other workplace, for that matter, stores, warehouses: everything is full of chemicals. World had changed. There used to be wood, brick, plaster, simple construction materials, unscented soap and now it's all chemical stuff, plus air fresheners and all the scented personal care products....It's a problem for me to go buy something in a clothing store, because of these fumes, I start choking. Can't use laundromat or walk near one, or wear anything that been there. I'm no good for anything here anymore. Not sure I can bet on finding remote work: heard it's been increasingly difficult in the US, despite expectations that with housing crisis happening companies should hire more to work from home.

People who say to go to places like Bulgaria or Spain (I don't even mention NZ or Australia)... same issue with expenses as in the US. Buying housing will eat up majority of the savings and then be stuck with a house to pay high taxes on and high maintenance expenses, eating into the savings. And this is in a country where you don't speak the language and don't know customs. Getting a residency permit is also expensive/hard in all safe countries now. Times of residency for 50K real estate are long gone... now it's more like 500K investment required. If I had 500K, I could live happily in the US.

In Russia, one can at least buy a house with decent lot for 10K and grow food... Russia, though, is about to enter severe economic crisis, I expect crime rate to jump, it's no picnic there and will be worse. Putin and Co have completely lost it, I believe. Also, people in villages are very hostile to newcomers/outsiders....they can do bad things and they do them all the time. Things like arsons, killing your animals.

But earlier, I've been living out of the vehicle here, done this for a long time.....and homelessness is my big fear, along with being hit by insane medical bills. It's like running on some crazy treadmill. Is it worth it? I worked like a dog at my last job, stress killing what's left of my health and I'm nowhere now... just lucky not sleeping in a car again. It wears you down not having stable housing and I haven't had one in 22 years, own shed or a big tent seems like heaven now, but here it's illegal to live in such.
Having 200K with zero safety net like family, you can't really do much here in term of simple living somewhere rural and growing food, etc. (may be I'm wrong but this is the math I've done)

Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2018 - 11:07pm PT
Male life expectancy in Russia is 64 years, according to the Guardian newspaper. A quarter of males die before reaching age 55

Pension age just hiked to 65 for men there, without any buffer period, really, which is de facto economic default and cancellation of pensions/government obligation to provide them to those who had been paying into the system for decades.
John M

Sep 24, 2018 - 11:07pm PT
Have you seen this article? Its from 2005, so I have no idea what is going on there now.

Found a newer article from 2016. I knew that I had seen something more recent.

I hope that you find an answer.,pf_pt/2098171642_zpid/47736_rid/globalrelevanceex_sort/34.839167,-109.629136,34.296366,-110.576706_rect/9_zm/

Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2018 - 11:19pm PT
Thanks. I had heard about Snowflake/that community. The problem with living this way and same with just buying a lot and living in gutted Airstream in it while hiding from the county and keeping taxes low: technically, this is not a legal dwelling. People live without having a mailbox, I think. So, the county can come after you any time they want and chase you out, they had been getting smart about these things lately, using satellite photos and drones. Then, all or most of the invested money will be lost as selling "bare land" is difficult everywhere. I know that in a lot places people live in RVs, yurts, aluminum hangars, but these aren't ever permitted as permanent dwellings. What if the counties get greedy and start enforcing? Also, not sure if they got water sources there, water probably is getting trucked in, this is also a risk.

Alaska got no building codes... but land prices there are crazy high now.

Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2018 - 11:46pm PT
You need to read Tom Wolfe’s You Can't Go Home Again.

Yes, would like to read it. I had experienced it (high alienation) during earlier visit back to Moscow, and I know I'd feel like a stranger and a foreigner in Russia, and a lot of things there are now shocking and unacceptable for me (but I think some of this can kind of go away in about a year after a break-in period).

Russia seems much more corrupt than the us though. The govt system is ripe for abuse. And it seems the culture is more corrupt. I’ve had Russian friends who say they’d never go back because the police and politicians are corrupt and you can’t do anything about it. And as you mention theft is a problem. 
It's infinitely more corrupt. It goes far beyond simple "corruption". In earlier years, police in my home region had been kidnapping and killing lonely citizens (elderly, drunks, disabled, easy prey for them) to take over their properties (city flats, where real estate went up in price). They'd forge signatures on selling agreements and corrupt notaries would notarize them. Just one of the 100s of examples I could mention. And crime....yes, just heard about yet another mail delivery person being killed (over mail, trying to get hold of pensions being delivered) in the region where I was planning to go to....I got to go to another region.

Gotta disagree on building codes. Yes there’s too much red tape and fees but for the most part it’s about building safe structures and not having a cess pool pollute your neighbors well. 
Protecting environment from runoff is one thing, I can agree with this. Making the building safe....well I guess one could bring some arguments here too. But not allowing people to live in RV, hangar/shed (which would be certified for snow load and proper septic would be put in) or a tent for more than 6 months and requiring to build a huge, from my standpoint, structure (a lot of places have minimum square footage requirements) is just pure unadulterated greed. Regarding safety: modern building materials are not safe, they're quite toxic, so, again, this is really about greed. It's possible to permit a toxic manufactured home without any local building inspections, and not possible to live in a small structure made of natural wood built just like people had successfully done for centuries.
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