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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jul 22, 2018 - 10:26am PT
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This proves Pud's assertion that it was porn...
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jul 22, 2018 - 10:32am PT
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Re Pud -
“The Lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 22, 2018 - 10:51am PT
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It's all your fault Hartouni!
You ... and that lewd, crude periodical once known as Life Magazine, for purveying that unacceptable image of Twinka and Cunningham by Judy Dater.
Some weenie probably complained.
That's all it takes to get a thread dusted around here, you know.
It's beyond me why the moderators don't simply delete the specific offending image or prose, followed by a targeted slap to the hand of the offender.
This really chaps my ass, the habit of vaporizing entire conversations, many of which are quite rich.
Why, it's right up there with, with ... that feeling of getting stickers in socks from walking around through tall, dry weeds.
At least I saved the damn thing to PDF up to post 131, for, uh, future reference and stuff.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 22, 2018 - 10:55am PT
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So the owners of this website delete every reference ever to "Stone Nude" and you go ahead and post one right back? That's awesome.
Nobody hi-jacked sh!t, Ed, Dean posted more nudes to those threads than all others combined - think that might have had something to do with it?
Maybe Chris doesn't want a bunch of nude girl photos coming up on searches - thus banning his site from many parental and workplace filters, thus significantly effecting his revenue. Dean (and you) are self absorbed and clueless on this one.
Have some class and delete this thread, too, IMO, before someone does it for you.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2018 - 11:37am PT
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a search phrase of "Stone Nude" turns up 102 links on the STForum,
so it was not erased from the site
If the powers-that-be don't want this link, they'll nuke it too.
I did feel guilty posting the Twinka/Cunningham/Dater collaboration pic, but once again, you can see the Judy Dater exhibit at the de Young
https://deyoung.famsf.org/exhibitions/judy-dater-only-human
I am, after all, only human
And Dean is a climber, and posts climbing content. The opportunity to support him in his pursuits, especially as he has supported the community by providing his art in fundraisers should be acknowledged.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 22, 2018 - 12:12pm PT
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It was a public discussion basically about voyeurism and masturbation, among a generally 45+ crowd ogling over naked girls half their age. Nothing creepy and gross about that. I can't imagine why the thread got deleted.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jul 22, 2018 - 12:13pm PT
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Anti Christ...Tipper Gore would like some words with you...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2018 - 12:39pm PT
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"Nobody hi-jacked sh!t, Ed, ..."
I think the OP of that thread was a simple invitation to support his 2018 calendar, and pointing out that it would be his last.
The discussion spiraled into the realm of morality, politics, accusations of illegality. I contributed by posting a sure-to-be controversial image, published in 1974, which, much to my amazement, still engenders heated controversy. I posted it after having just gone to an exhibit of Dater's work at a venerable San Francisco institution, the de Young Museum. In spite of some people's opinion, that image is considered to be art.
A very reasonable case can be made that children might view images that our society deems they are unprepared to see. But the initial OP of that thread had no such images.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Jul 22, 2018 - 01:08pm PT
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It was a public discussion basically about voyeurism and masturbation, among a generally 45+ crowd ogling over naked girls half their age. Nothing creepy and gross about that. I can't imagine why the thread got deleted.
Ummm. I think we weren’t reading the same thread.
I admit I’m over 45 and I did add some comments but as for the other identifiers you listed....nope not I, nor much of what else I read on that thread.
Anyways, it’s a dead horse issue to me now.
Carry on
Susan
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Trump
climber
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Jul 22, 2018 - 01:14pm PT
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If you live in a teapot, might as well make a tempest. Or if you live in a slightly larger teapot, make a tempest about those slightly smaller minded people making a tempest about their slightly smaller teapot.
I do so love the self-righteous, as if we have a choice. Best not to notice about oneself, but fear not!, we get lots of practice not noticing.
Nah, your self-righteousness doesn’t make you look fat - it only makes other people look fat. To you.
Cool photos Ed, TFPU.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 22, 2018 - 01:31pm PT
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The discussion spiraled into the realm of morality, politics, accusations of illegality. Yes, Ed - that's totally why all the naked girl fundraising threads Dean has ever started were deleted.
It certainly had nothing to do with the fuk'n obvious - that these discussions were interspersed with pictures of naked girls generally about 1/2 the age of the discussion participants - pictures generally posted by the OP, and solely to incite and for personal monetary gain - all while putting at risk CM's means of making a living. So totally classless.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2018 - 01:42pm PT
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and solely to incite and for personal monetary gain
incite? perhaps you could look at your own behavior, you have to respond because you believe you are right and I am wrong, you can't not respond, you have no control over yourself.
personal monetary gain? I don't think you can accuse Dean of that, and certainly no more than the ads that pop up on the site that are the alleged source of Chris Macs "livelihood," and Dean is about climbing.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 22, 2018 - 01:50pm PT
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you can't not respond, you have no control over yourself Ed, we each have 4 posts to this thread.
The reality you fail to acknowledge is the owner of this site found the threads unacceptable. You defending them and starting a new one, IMO, makes you an a$$.
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uncle sammy
Ice climber
Buenos Aires
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Jul 22, 2018 - 02:01pm PT
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I know why. It's even daffier than you think.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 22, 2018 - 02:14pm PT
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If anyone really believed those women that posed in the calendar thought they were doing PORN then they are totally insane ......
Saying that calendar is porn is slandering and smearing all those women!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2018 - 02:28pm PT
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Provoking JLP will just escalate the back-and-forth on this thread, which will likely end it being nuked by the site proprietors for getting personal.
My main purpose in the OP was just to provide the link to those who'd like to support Dean's efforts to produce the 2018 calendar.
We know, by now, JLP's position on the topic. Let it rest.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Jul 22, 2018 - 02:51pm PT
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this may be just a bunch of keyboard jockey onanism, unless, maybe - grab your G-string banana hammock, laceless superslippers, and have your ticket for Mallorca stamped. Fast, light. (kudos to dean)
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Jul 22, 2018 - 03:36pm PT
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come on... why do the euros get such a bad rap?! allez ms. ekat, allez
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Jul 22, 2018 - 04:17pm PT
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peace be upon you ms. ekat, or maybe aloha. Euros just have different standards, I guess? Cultures clash, at worst.
Hope you make it at the cruz. If I remember, you have some adventurous friends here.
It is a pretty special place. Shaded rocks in the tall trees. Aunties and Uncles still out in the line up. Good mixed plate not far away. Tita revolution!!! Well, we'll see. It's warm in the summer, you may not even need a suit...
p.s. meant only in the best, non creepy internet typer kind of way.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Jul 22, 2018 - 04:23pm PT
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So no nudes is good nudes?
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L
climber
Just livin' the dream
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Jul 22, 2018 - 04:41pm PT
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I've got to tell you that as a Woman, a Climber and an Artist, I am soooooo offended!
Offended that anyone in their right mind would call StoneNudes porn.
Beautiful art photography, Dean. I hope you sell a million of 'em.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jul 22, 2018 - 07:33pm PT
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And then there's that town south of Big Pine called Lone Porn...
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Trump
climber
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Jul 22, 2018 - 08:18pm PT
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It sure does piss me off when people spout their personal convictions. I’m more the strong silent type, so I didn’t even post this.
I saw a bumper sticker that someone had posted on their Prius the other day that read:
“Cool Prius”
Nobody
They just wanted everyone to know that they didn’t buy their Prius because anyone ever thought it was cool, they bought it despite its lack of coolness, because of their righteous higher values, like environmental consciousness.
I wouldn’t put that on my Prius. I’m just not that self-righteous.
Just thought I’d share that so you knew how righteous I am. But you go ahead and do it your way.
There’s always a bigger teacup. But with any luck, our self-righteousness will help keep us alive until we’re dead. I don’t recommend the alternative.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2018 - 08:26pm PT
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You know Ed,...
yes I know Roy, but I also knew that such an image could be very controversial right now for many different reasons, and perhaps there are legitimate discussions to be had.
Like so much of modern discourse, the previous thread wasn't a discussion, really, it was two camps yelling at each other, neither listening.
It is a rather sad state that the word pudendum comes from the latin root, "thing to be ashamed of," and a word I learned when William F. Buckley Jr. used it, correctly of course. What a strange thing, to be ashamed of our own bodies, and require that others be likewise ashamed. But that shaming seems to go back thousands of years to the beginnings of western culture.
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silverplume
Trad climber
Boulder
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Jul 23, 2018 - 06:35am PT
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I sent a note to the SuperTopo folks on Saturday that essentially asked them to consider moderating the discussion due to the toxic, abusive, and insulting posts by some participants. I don't know if that note prompted the disappearance of the discussion, or if ST folks decided to remove the thread for some other reason. Whatever their reason, I wish SuperTopo would explain why they did it to clarify their position. Abusive behavior? Unacceptable content? All of these? None of these?
Difference of opinion and healthy discussion are awesome, but personally I think attacking people anonymously is no more acceptable than doing it to someone's face.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jul 23, 2018 - 08:00am PT
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Agreed...Tar boy tossing Ed under the bus was uncalled for.....
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 23, 2018 - 11:03am PT
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Silverplume:
Though you meant well, from what I've observed, Chris, RJ, and whomever, never babysit and they don't really moderate.
If they get complaints, they just strike threads from the record in total.
I've spoken with two people recently who've had their accounts deactivated, and there was no explanation given to them as to their particular transgression.
I was once given a warning, with no specifics as to what it was I was doing wrong, and in fact it looked like a form letter.
For all I know, they sent one to everyone participating in a given thread, shotgun style.
This is a very hands-off style of management.
The one thing they've been very clear about: there will be no photographs posted of unclothed human female chests, or the hammer comes down. But it would seem that it takes a complaint to bring it about, because the "moderators" don't seem to do much monitoring, if any.
There are no moderators: just Chris Mac getting his shirt sleeve tugged on from time to time. And then it's "lights out" on the ball field.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 23, 2018 - 07:14pm PT
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Acrotomophilia
Arousal to amputees
Actirasty
Arousal to the sun’s rays
Agalmatophilia
Arousal to statues
Anasteemaphilia
Arousal to a person of extreme stature, either giant or dwarf
Apotemnophilia
Arousal to oneself as an amputee
Autogynephilia
Arousal to oneself [male only] in the form of a woman
Autoplushophilia
Arousal to oneself dressed as a giant cartoon-like stuffed animal
Chasmophilia
Arousal to caverns, crevices, and valleys
Climacophilia
Arousal to falling down stairs
Coprophilia
Arousal to feces
Ephebophilia
Arousal to older adolescents, approx. 15-19
Exhibitionism
Arousal to displaying one’s sexual organs in public
Fetishism
Arousal to objects that have been in physical contact with desired person
Formicophilia
Arousal to insects
Frotteurism
Arousal to touching a stranger surreptitiously in a crowded place
Gerontophilia
Arousal to the elderly
Hebephilia
Arousal to pubescent aged children, approx. 11-14
Katoptronophilia
Arousal to sex in front of mirrors
Knismolagnia
Arousal to being tickled
Lithophilia
Arousal to stone and gravel
Masochism
Arousal to experiencing physical and psychological pain
Melissaphilia
Arousal to bees and wasps
Nasolingus
Arousal to sucking on a person’s nose
Nebulophilia
Arousal to fog
Necrophilia
Arousal to corpses
Objectophilia
Arousal to a particular object, distinct from fetishism
Partialism
Arousal to a body part other than the reproductive organs, e.g., calves
Pedophilia
Arousal to prepubescent children
Podophilia
Arousal to feet
Psellismophilia
Arousal to stuttering
Psychrophilia
Arousal to being cold and watching others who are cold
Pteronphilia
Arousal to being tickled by feathers
Pubephilia
Arousal to pubic hair
Pygophilia
Arousal to buttocks
Sadism
Arousal to causing physical and psychological pain
Savantophilia
Arousal to the cognitively impaired or developmentally delayed
Stygiophilia
Arousal to the thought of hellfire and damnation
Teleiophilia
Arousal to reproductive-aged adults
Teratophilia
Arousal to the congenitally deformed
Titillagnia
Arousal to tickling other people
Transvestic Fetishism
Arousal to female garments touching the male’s skin
Urophilia
Arousal to urine or urinating others
Vorarephilia
Arousal to eating another person’s body parts
Voyeurism
Arousal to spying on others for sexual gratification
Xylophilia
Arousal to wood
Zoophilia
Arousal to nonhuman animals
What is arousing is pretty diverse. Porn therefore is very idiosyncratic.
What's a mother to do? Go to the source. Did the creator have an erotic intent.
The creator here has stated no such intent
End of story
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Jul 23, 2018 - 08:46pm PT
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Cripes, I'm in for a whole bunch of those!
Especially this one:
Autoplushophilia
Arousal to oneself dressed as a giant cartoon-like stuffed animal
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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Jul 23, 2018 - 09:03pm PT
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now ST have list of all possible perversions.
Nice tags , for instance : " he was booted for Chasmophilia"
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Jul 24, 2018 - 08:32am PT
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That one on Panther Beach is remarkably beautiful.
Great work, Dean!
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Jul 24, 2018 - 10:37am PT
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Watched the video -
inspired by a moment near Chatsworth. aesthetic. seems to elevate women. good enough for me.
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mikeyschaefer
climber
Sport-o-land
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Jul 24, 2018 - 02:04pm PT
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Dean should go get a job and stop asking for handouts! What a looser!
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Jul 24, 2018 - 02:37pm PT
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That’s loser, and you’re correct Mikey. . . df
Edit, hahahah, the dude abides. . .
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mikeyschaefer
climber
Sport-o-land
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Jul 24, 2018 - 02:43pm PT
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And when you send me my prints Dean don't send the one of my ex girlfriend!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jul 24, 2018 - 07:59pm PT
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DMT.....nice one on kite fetish...
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Jul 25, 2018 - 09:19am PT
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Jul 25, 2018 - 08:19pm PT
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This is seriously funny! Thanks.
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Jul 26, 2018 - 09:42am PT
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Bump to make it happen.
The offer for a signed print (or four) is pretty great!
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Jul 27, 2018 - 05:39am PT
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80% funded with two weeks to go, ST is a big part of this, thank you!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jul 27, 2018 - 07:36am PT
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Wow....so some people are offended??
Pinheaded thinking, me thinks.
Dean... save me one, please! I’ll buy when get home.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jul 27, 2018 - 09:49am PT
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Lithophilia
Arousal to stone and gravel
There's a great climb in Josh called Lithophiliac. It's out on The Grey Giant. Two parallel thin cracks on the face left of Hyperion.
I believe the Lechlinski gang did it.
Climacophilia
Arousal to falling down stairs
That's gotta be the weirdest one on a very weird list.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jul 27, 2018 - 03:20pm PT
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It's interesting to see the roles people try and play - as though any properly formed male is going to be "offended" by pictures of toned, nude females, though it shouldn't be surprising that some jump at the chance to drag identity politics (the very signature of the agenda-driven yahoo) into the fray. But I never thought I'd see such posturing in a climber's website.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Jul 27, 2018 - 07:02pm PT
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Feminists! ^ did I get that right? Not trying to co-op, or speak for anyone.
Edit: missed T
Edit: edit: dropped t
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Jul 27, 2018 - 07:42pm PT
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Jim Clipper, don't know if I got the intent of your post right but the women here are not the ones who have been concerned about Dean's work.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jul 27, 2018 - 09:23pm PT
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Largo...you should see me in a gladiator suit...
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Jul 27, 2018 - 09:25pm PT
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I wasn't speaking for anyone really...
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Jul 28, 2018 - 09:36am PT
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Bullwinkle: 80% funded with two weeks to go, ST is a big part of this, thank you!
There’s nothing like controversy (drama) to attract attention—and attention seems to “sell” more than “benefits” or “lower price” these days. Look at the news feeds.
I think we all have our own ideas about what constitutes “art.” It’s my experience (as an engaged “artist”—ha ha) that most people expect art to be pretty.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 28, 2018 - 11:35am PT
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I think we came to agreement 1000 posts and 2 deleted threads ago it was probably art and not porn. However, the background theme of a bunch of middle age voyeurs defending their pleasure - err, I mean Dean's small group of friends defending his "art" - has been pretty consistent - and super creepy.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 28, 2018 - 01:49pm PT
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It is people like JLP that motivated me buy one.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jul 28, 2018 - 02:41pm PT
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However, the background theme of a bunch of middle age voyeurs defending their pleasure - err, I mean Dean's small group of friends defending his "art" - has been pretty consistent - and super creepy.
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That's one of the weakest spins you'll ever read on a climbing web site, that some neutered, faux puritan finds it "super creepy" that properly formed males AND females enjoy an artful nude. To those trending in the opposite direction, professional help is indicated.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Jul 28, 2018 - 02:53pm PT
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Largo for the, win!
Edit, thank you Jon Beck!
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Jul 28, 2018 - 03:59pm PT
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JLP, just curious. Is it appropriate for a female climber to wear a sports bra, and skimpy shorts when climbing?
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 28, 2018 - 07:01pm PT
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I've spent my entire life with friends or in groups working out half naked, sweating, grunting - while climbing, running, weights - clad in short shorts, sport bras, whatever. Thing is I'm there together with them in person. The women are generally either near my age and/or ability, friends, I know their friends, their boyfriends, their husbands, maybe family too. Wonderful stuff, the best times of my life, love it.
So over walks this guy, watching from a distance, asks if one of the women will take the rest of her cloths off so he can take nude photos and make a fuk'n calendar or something - for his voyeur friends from a generation past and losers who can't go find a girl to get naked themselves. Super mega creepy.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2018 - 07:54pm PT
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JLP:
Maybe Chris doesn't want a bunch of nude girl photos coming up on searches - thus banning his site from many parental and workplace filters, thus significantly effecting his revenue. Dean (and you) are self absorbed and clueless on this one.
Have some class and delete this thread, too, IMO, before someone does it for you.
It certainly had nothing to do with the fuk'n obvious - that these discussions were interspersed with pictures of naked girls generally about 1/2 the age of the discussion participants - pictures generally posted by the OP, and solely to incite and for personal monetary gain - all while putting at risk CM's means of making a living. So totally classless.
The reality you fail to acknowledge is the owner of this site found the threads unacceptable. You defending them and starting a new one, IMO, makes you an a$$.
apparently your assumptions were not correct.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 28, 2018 - 07:58pm PT
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According to Dean? Give me a break. It follows perfectly from that logic that every nude photo bake sale begging thread from every year past got deleted.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2018 - 08:01pm PT
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the thread is still here, and apparently not a threat to the ST enterprise
you assume a lot.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 28, 2018 - 08:05pm PT
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Several long threads with dozens of nudes and Dean begging for money - years past calendars - they were all deleted. No assumptions made, Ed.
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Jul 28, 2018 - 09:22pm PT
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Really? This thread is still being beat around? The women who posed for the calendar obviously have no problem with it. Don't know any of them that I know of but assume they are astute individuals.
JLP, you've made your point. Let it go.
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Trump
climber
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Jul 29, 2018 - 06:16am PT
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Oh no Mr Bill! The morality police are offended by my sense of morality! Let’s send in the morality morality police to police the morality police!
No burkhini fans allowed here - we’re a nude-o-phile’s only club!
This is what we have on our plate, again, today? Endlessly disagreeing with other people’s beliefs and values and sense of morality, and self-righteously proclaiming that our beliefs and our values and our morality is the only righteous way?
Ok, if that’s what we’ve got, then have at it. To paraphrase a man I admire, as though any properly formed human is going to spend their day any other way. I’ll tell you what the right belief and value and morality and male reaction for you to have is, because when you do that for yourself, you do it all wrong.
Thanks for doing what you do, you humans, with your diversity of bodies and self righteous beliefs and values and moralities.
And cool photos Dean, TFPU.
And thanks to all of us for not shutting up, much as other people might want us to do that. There will be time enough for that when we’re dead.
Best y’all! I’m off to browse the wedding etiquette forums. Those people are nuts!
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Jul 29, 2018 - 08:50am PT
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I support JLP's right to provide another point of view. It's a conversation, not a trial or prosecution. Heck, even the artist could come out with something from this thread that could provide new insights about his vision. Vision is about what you see and how you see. There's plenty of fodder in this thread that could lead to recognitions that avoid ad hominems.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Jul 29, 2018 - 09:22am PT
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Yes you’re of course correct, I’ve learned that two very creepy trolls on ST feel like it’s just fine to personally attack my Art and myself for no other reason than jealousy and total lack of an open mind. Beyond this? All I can say is no woman who has worked with me has had any issues with my work in twenty years, So yes I find that faceless nameless trolls online want to join the conversation so someone, anyone will listen to them, great lesson, I’ll put that into the work. . .not. . .df
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jul 29, 2018 - 09:48am PT
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Endlessly disagreeing with other people’s beliefs and values and sense of morality, and self-righteously proclaiming that our beliefs and our values and our morality is the only righteous way?
Good point. But what if one's purported "sense of morality" is not based on morality at all, but is a postured act, a puppet show like a leader of state out to "make America great" while groping and porking every skirt in Tarnation, albeit by stealth, then paying off same to hush it up. Not to drag politics into this but I simply don't trust the word or authenticity of any properly formed male who is creeped out by an artful nude. But I'll defend his right to say as much.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Jul 29, 2018 - 10:20am PT
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Early, circa suffragette, impressionistic, gin fueled flapper propaganda, BIOTCH!
Pre-emptive apology "for" sic [to] any [still honed] anachronisms
BIOTCHES!
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 29, 2018 - 11:29am PT
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All I can say is no woman who has worked with me has had any issues with my work in twenty years I don't have any comment on the women who pose, not a woman myself. Seems like the narcissism of a 20 something climber - something that fades with age - whatevs. My comments are from a man to other men.
Art is an object, so are rocks. Most of these women are not recognizable in the photos. Calling these human beings a "female form", "art", etc - it's objectification. Period. Okay, fine, they posed for it. However - when you stare at it all month long - now you're creepy.
I take it Dean and Largo are single these days - no?
I like how this kick starter thing allows anonymity - you don't have to stand there as a middle aged man at the checkout while a hot college girl looks over your purchases then looks you in the eye about it. It appears you guys are willing to pay extra to avoid that - like a lot extra.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Jul 29, 2018 - 04:21pm PT
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You know JPWhatever, you're right, I'm not offering enough vaule as rewards for my kickstarter, just calendars and prints of nudes. So, in honour of your sorryass to all ST members that have already pledged and to those who join in. I'm offering a StoneMaster print to be included in your order. I will show you a selection from my archives for you to choose from as a personal thank you for your support. . .df
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deanfidelman/stone-nudes-2019-20th-anniversary-calendar-final-e#
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Bale
Mountain climber
UT
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Jul 29, 2018 - 04:29pm PT
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Ah, hell, my first ever ST post lost in the ether. Guess I should’ve picked a more classy thread, lol. Go Dean!
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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Jul 29, 2018 - 05:14pm PT
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I've spent my entire life with friends or in groups working out half naked, sweating, grunting - while climbing, running, weights - clad in short shorts, sport bras, whatever. Thing is I'm there together with them in person. The women are generally either near my age and/or ability, friends, I know their friends, their boyfriends, their husbands, maybe family too. Wonderful stuff, the best times of my life, love it.
Keep your hands and mind at 10 and 2 JPL, that's your turf..
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Such good times Dean, so honored to be apart of a few of them. I can honestly say, that calendar made one of my wife's dreams come true and my husband approval rating skyrocketed from fantastic to really fantastic! Married 10yrs next month, sooooo good.
hANKSTER
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Jul 29, 2018 - 07:26pm PT
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OOOOOOOOhhhhh you know it's on when "THE" Stonemaster card is played. i.e. "Some of my best friends are..." Stonemasters...
Stand your ground JLP, don't back down. You call it obscene, or exploitation, you're entitled to your opinion.
Did I just type that? I'm not looking for a fight, but I may have to scratch up some bones and put some money where my mouth is. NOW, the 60's were a different time... peace
edit: Can it be my place? Do I need to fill out that Boulder prof's survey for anyone?
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Jul 29, 2018 - 07:47pm PT
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Stand your ground JLP, don't back down. You call it obscene, or exploitation, you're entitled to your opinion.
JLP is certainly entitled to his opinion. To drag it out after his many posts on this thread serves no purpose. Whatever floats his boat.
JLP has posted some good content on this forum,
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Jul 29, 2018 - 08:09pm PT
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ok my last post here. I appreciate the offer of your x rated photo Bullwinkle.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Jul 29, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
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JLP...do you think i'm creepy for owning gladiator flicks...?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 29, 2018 - 10:10pm PT
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jul 30, 2018 - 05:53am PT
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I heard awhile back Hank made an 8 hr non stop no cut porno. I wish I could unhear that, because it crosses my mind every single time I see one of his posts. If true, then Hank is the Gladiator and watching that thing start to finish would be - I dunno man I have nothing on that.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jul 30, 2018 - 06:35am PT
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Here's my take: you personally can't differentiate between art and porn, and therefore find all such nudity both arousing and offensive. On one hand I kinda feel sorry for you. On the other, you're projecting that on the rest of us with an almost compulsive hatred. Stop it.
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Trump
climber
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Jul 30, 2018 - 08:05am PT
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Well, you know, other people enjoy these photos for weird creepy prurient less righteous physical/sexual reasons, and I oppose them for righteous burkhini-ish feminist reasons.
And other other people oppose them for self-righteous posturing reasons and need professional mental help and don’t do this male thing right and project their hatred on to us and lack the ability (that I possess) of discerning art from porn, whereas I enjoy them for their higher-minded righteous artistic value.
But regardless, me, I do it just right, and it’s hard for me to understand why you people don’t do it like me, perfect in every way.
My sense is that we gather the information that confirms our preferred perspective, and then try not to notice or not believe the information supporting a different belief. Seems like we’re doing that more and more these days.
Its too much work (really, not sarcastically) to gather all the information to form a completely objective perspective, so we do the best we can to form and maintain beliefs that work to our best advantage. And that’s been working pretty well so far for us humans.
Maybe doing it works to our advantage in ways that we prefer not to notice in ourselves in order to maintain our sense of ourselves as right-righteous-good-rational believers, and not survival-of-me-the-fittest believers.
I don’t know, that kind of thing is above my pay grade. I’m a human too.
But for me, when we don’t understand why other people do or believe what they do and believe, and we then actively interpret them in ways that make them less righteous in our eyes than we are, I don’t think it’s because they’re doing it wrong (for themselves), I think it’s because we don’t understand what’s right (for them) about how they’re doing it. We want to be the ones who are right.
And if that’s self-righteous of us, I blame Obama! No, I mean evolution. But I figure evolution knows a thing or two that I don’t know, too.
Largo with respect to the question you asked, I don’t really have an answer, but I’d like to, because I think the answer might help us defeat me, among other things. But I think in order to do so we’ll need to recognize that the wacky human ways we do things isn’t that different than the wacky human ways they do things, and recognizing that is not a thing that’s currently winning, on either side.
TFPU, all! And cool photos, Ed and Dean!
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jul 30, 2018 - 10:13am PT
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I take it Dean and Largo are single these days - no?
I'm still getting after it, silly rabbit.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 30, 2018 - 10:17am PT
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The Salem Witch Trials weren't really that long ago, at least in terms of mental progress.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Jul 30, 2018 - 05:46pm PT
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Reilly pretty much always nails it....
What's the $ count and how many more days for us lazy ones sitting under the warm CO sun, to lazy to click on the link, that is.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Jul 30, 2018 - 05:59pm PT
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OK....made the monumental effort. Put down the chilled white wine and grilled buffalo steak to click the link.
Looks like $6070 pledged with 12 days to go. Let's top out in splendor and hit at least an altitude of 7000 $ :)
Buon Tempo!
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Jul 31, 2018 - 09:38am PT
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Fish Finder
climber
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Jul 31, 2018 - 11:02am PT
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From Wiki
Physical Body:
“An object is known by the application of senses
The properties of an object are inferred by learning and reasoning based on the information perceived
Abstractly ,an object is a construction of our mind consistent with the information provided by our senses.”
For what we look at and perceive is only an experience of our existence
It is different for everyone
That is why we are individuals
We all follow our interests and create what is around us
Dean is a creative individual who has combined his interests in a form that provokes the senses
Art. You bet!
Thanks Dean for all the years of work you have put into this
“Beauty is not in the eye of the beholder
Beauty is everywhere” @gregggowest
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
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Jul 31, 2018 - 12:42pm PT
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Dean,
Just got an email from our friend JLP. Wants to know if you'd consider doing one more calendar year. Apparently his wife has sweet talked him into paying for her photo session and the idea is causing him mild arousal. So he wants to keep this on the down low.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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Jul 31, 2018 - 02:12pm PT
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probably your photo won' t be accepted:
due to
[quote
Gerontophilia
Arousal to the elderly
Autogynephilia
Arousal to oneself [male only]
Autoplushophilia
Arousal to oneself dressed as a giant cartoon-like stuffed animal
[/quote]
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Jul 31, 2018 - 02:27pm PT
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Moose....thought you were headed to the "outer limits"?
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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w00t!!!!
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Looks like the Fish is going to get his StoneNudes care package soon. . .d
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Cool - thanks, Dean.
On a separate note, am I seeing things or is your Kickstarter really funded to the amount of $12,642?
Almost double the initial goal. Way to go!!!
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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That's definitely the effect of Kalous and the Enormocast vs Supertopo, too funny.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Enormocast vs Supertopo...
Probably fewer conservative curmudgeons listen to the Enormocast than post on ST....
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Wow! $2,200 more in 7 hrs.
$14,801 pledged of $6,500 goal
345 backers
9 days to go
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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Wow! $2,200 more in 7 hrs.
$14,801 pledged of $6,500 goal
345 backers
9 days to go
When this over, Deans going to Applebees! ;)
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Great Enormocast interviews, Dean.
But there was also some magic in the mid 80’s in the Yosemite/Josh scene...
Kinda like Devo...
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Yikes! Well over 300% raised! This is going to fund the gathering of the manuscript for our book about Dean Potter! Thank you Supertopo!
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Thank you Supertopo! This place was a dud, your friend Chris set you up.
Congrats to Chris for getting those 24 episodes per year, every year, he's clearly earned himself quite a voice and power in the community.
My mind warps contemplating decked out Sprinters with naked girls as wall paper.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Lol, the Enormacast and Chris are amazing! But I do see where everything comes from pledge wise each night thru kickstarter. Most of the action has come from instagram via Cedar Wright and Renan Ozturk and friends,and I do mean, most!
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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That actually un-warps my mind a bit, and it's a lot funnier. I can see that. Posted 3 days ago. Love that comment in the Enormocast about conspiring among you about who you wanted to see naked next. Seedy Nation.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Bad, I promise to make it happen, looking to have the manuscript ready by late Spring. . .df
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Mr. Bullwinkle: PLEASE do the Dean Potter book. I will pre-order a copy. The Dark Wizard really deserves a first-class biography, and with you at the helm, we'd be assured of kick-ass photos, too.
BAd
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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I want some serious Moose on Russ/Russ on Moose action for the next publication. C'mon, TACOids: If we can dream it, it can happen.
BAd
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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If we can dream it
It can happen
Yes,
Once upon a time
when we were young & Fabulous
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splitclimber
climber
Sonoma County
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when I saw Cedar's IG post, I knew you'd bust the pledge amount. :) - pun intended
Congrats. Looking forward to buying a calendar.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Awesomely super cool, Dean! This will give you space to finish one project and begin another.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
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Looks like there will be enough money to finish the SheepBuggerer book too! Bravo!
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Lynnie! That's exactly what I'm going to do, use the profits to gather the manuscript for my Dean Potter book, and a few other projects. . .df
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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BUMP for Dean's future projects!
The Stone Masters book is awesome and I look forward to more of Dean's work.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Aug 13, 2018 - 09:21am PT
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What an incredible outcome with the funding!
Congratulations, Dean!
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Aug 13, 2018 - 09:49am PT
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I wonder if this success of Dean's will bring in more threads requesting support and funds for projects of enterprise.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Aug 13, 2018 - 04:53pm PT
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I certainly hope so! The concept of keeping it in the comunity and selling directly to the consumer, is a good one. . .btw 39k raised. . .df
All profits go into the Dean Potter and Jim Bridwell Book projects...
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bheliker
Sport climber
Palo Alto, CA
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Aug 20, 2018 - 08:14am PT
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Dammit I missed the campaign. Will you be making extras and selling through the usual retail channel? Long time fan!
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Great news, Mr. Bullwinkle! Loved the Enormo stuff. You've played such a key roll in recording the history of our sport. Except for a few DB's, we're all grateful. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to the new books.
BAd
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telemon01
Trad climber
Montana
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Received the 2019 Stonenudes calendar. This is only the 2nd or 3rd calendar from Dean that I have ever bought.
I have been inspired - now I’m thinking about a Skinudes calendar. This is Miss April- whaddya think?
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
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I think you're gonna take some heat:)
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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I think it's a great idea!
Less prudes, more nudes. And I don't consider that soft porn ... silly me?
You could, however, be risking having your account deactivated.
It's only a matter of the number of complaints forwarded to the "moderators".
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cavemonkey
Ice climber
ak
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HEY!
I know those B00Bs (:
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2018 - 09:49am PT
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springtime in the Bugs...
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Is that the Bugaboos?
I was thinking Eastern Sierra.
Not enough lichen on the rock.
But probably, Ed, you are just summoning the next vision.
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telemon01
Trad climber
Montana
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Tarbuster knows his peaks- east side Sierra, University Peak
Bugaboos do create the same inspiration however
If I get taken out, at least it will be for my Art....
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aldude
climber
Monument Manor
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Like !
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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SkiNudes!!! Love it, more please
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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If I get taken out, at least it will be for my Art.... Something about light-hearted cynicism just cracks me up!
I just read that to my wife and we are still laughing.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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The women I've been with - have all known better - if I were to take their picture nude - every man ever will at some point show it to their friends.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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No JLP, we are not all like that, but thanks for reminding me of a weak high school joke recycled for this thread.
Dean: "got any naked pictures of your sister?"
Everyman: "No"
Dean: "Want to buy a calendar"
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Nov 19, 2018 - 08:19pm PT
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Don't get sunburned titties on the glacier
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Nov 19, 2018 - 08:25pm PT
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That's one image I had to click on to ID those peaks better.
Where did that poor young lady’s butt go?
Glissading accident?!?
that's some funny shite right there
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jonnyrig
climber
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Nov 20, 2018 - 07:19am PT
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Got the calendar. My wife and I both appreciate the artwork. Thanks.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 20, 2018 - 09:18am PT
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Paging Elaine Matthews...
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telemon01
Trad climber
Montana
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Nov 20, 2018 - 09:19am PT
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Great concept right?
Anyone remember the old Lange boot ski ads?
Art? Objectification? An appreciation of the beautiful and athletic female form? What a slippery slope....
I remember seeing those ads as a teenager in Ski magazine and getting really excited about ski season. That fascination continues to this day
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Nov 20, 2018 - 01:52pm PT
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Most interesting to me are the duffers posturing as morally correct, the voice of reason in the wilderness among all of us lechers. Anyone doing so is in my book a phony right down to the finest grain in their DNA.
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Bale
Mountain climber
UT
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Nov 20, 2018 - 02:04pm PT
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 21, 2018 - 11:05pm PT
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Could be triple retro Lang Bang 2018!?!$$$
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Nov 22, 2018 - 05:14am PT
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That's strange, but nobody has commented on the biggest flaw of this project.
Climbers just do not make good nude models.
Too many bones.
Not enough flesh.
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Trump
climber
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Nov 22, 2018 - 08:57pm PT
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Some people’s bodies appeal to some people, and some people’s minds don’t. That’s cool, and whatever, kind of rolled into one.
Whatever it is that you think makes you righteous - your approval of other people’s bodies, or your disapproval of other people minds for enjoying other people’s bodies, or your disapproval of other people’s minds for disapproving of other people’s minds for enjoying other people’s bodies - ok.
Best to you people, or to your bodies, or whatever’s best for you. That’s cool the way you do it, but it might be different than me.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Nov 22, 2018 - 10:30pm PT
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I completely agree with Yurine, climbers have bad bodies. . .
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 22, 2018 - 11:36pm PT
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Nov 22, 2018 - 11:50pm PT
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Nov 23, 2018 - 04:31am PT
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Trump:
Whatever it is that you think makes you righteous - your approval of other people’s bodies ... It's biology!
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 23, 2018 - 06:36am PT
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Nothing like perverted 70 year old men posting teenager tit shots .
F*#king gross
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Aeriq
Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
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Nov 23, 2018 - 07:16am PT
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The wife has our Stone Nudes calendar displayed proudly in her art studio!
That is about a strong of a indicator that Dean's work is art (not whatever else it's been called) that I can think of!
Think about it: A successful, balanced, female artist puts a calendar of female nudes in her art work space...
Great work, Dean! We both think you are a class act!
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Nov 23, 2018 - 07:52am PT
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Great work, Dean! We both think you are a class act!
+1
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telemon01
Trad climber
Montana
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Nov 23, 2018 - 09:00am PT
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Just for the record, Im not 70 years old and Miss April is not a teenager
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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Nov 23, 2018 - 01:05pm PT
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Just for the record, Im not 70 years old and Miss April is not a teenager
Eh, some folks just have to try and take that personal dig at you. My Wife's been in Dean's calendar more than several times, comes with the territory. But she saw your girls picture and immediately said "Hey! she's got a free heal, and a rockin' bod!"
Caylor
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Nov 23, 2018 - 01:57pm PT
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anita514 - weren't you going to pose for Dean? That could be you a few posts up. The entire Taco Stand can't wait to see you in the nude.
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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Nov 23, 2018 - 02:40pm PT
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anita514 - weren't you going to pose for Dean? That could be you a few posts up. The entire Taco Stand can't wait to see you in the nude.
I'm far and away from being a prude, but that comment is pretty close to being in-between inappropriate and getting your ass kicked at some point.. you've really only been just a d#@&%ebag that can't shut up until now.
Caylor
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 23, 2018 - 02:57pm PT
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JLP: I was joking
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Nov 23, 2018 - 04:10pm PT
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That’s a great photo on the previous page Bullwinkle. If someone doesn’t appreciate the beauty of El Cap and the female form with great lighting and only sees it as exploitation that’s too bad.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Nov 23, 2018 - 04:37pm PT
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JLP: I was joking If you're okay with Moose's post - have fun everyone!
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telemon01
Trad climber
Montana
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Nov 23, 2018 - 07:05pm PT
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thanks for giving us permission JLP
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Nov 23, 2018 - 07:50pm PT
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I think Dean's work is fine, but I wonder where the line is between porn and "art"? This has been discussed a lot here, but it is a tricky question--or at least an interesting one. How would the photo of the woman looking up in front of El Cap have to change to make it porn? A leering grin straight into the camera? More direct presentation of vital territory? It would be an interesting experiment to have a series of slightly altered photos with the same model, background, etc., but alter them progressively and have large numbers of people surveyed to determine--art or porn? You could perhaps find some sort of line. For some folks, an exposed ankle is just TOO hot. See the Taliban. For others, virtually anything goes.
BAd
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Mill Valley, Ca
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Nov 23, 2018 - 08:16pm PT
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More nudes, less prudes!
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Nov 23, 2018 - 09:10pm PT
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Badclimber makes a good point. The line is wherever someone decides it is.
For me there is no line; it's all art.
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 24, 2018 - 04:25am PT
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Aeriq wrote:
That is about a strong of a indicator that Dean's work is art (not whatever else it's been called) that I can think of!
I wouldn't worry about what other people think (maybe you aren't).
A lot of movies, especially when there's violence, are considered by some to be artistic masterpieces and by others to be simply slasher films and/or gratuitously violent (Tarantino's films and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre come to mind).
Same goes for everyday objects: for some a hand-carved wood chair might just be a chair, and for others it carries a much deeper meaning depending who made it (and when).
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 24, 2018 - 05:44am PT
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Moose pls remove my picture from here. I don't want creeps saving them so they can photoshop them or whatever you people do with people's pics.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Nov 24, 2018 - 07:19am PT
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Good point re. some primitive tribes. Would penis gourds on the street in New York be considered over-the-top?
BAd
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ECF
Big Wall climber
Ridgway CO
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Nov 24, 2018 - 07:29am PT
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So God is a pornographer then.
He made Adam, he made Eve( well let’s forget about Lilith), but not a pair of skivvies in all of Eden.
Dirty voyueristic bastard...
Love Ya Dean!
Christian
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Nov 24, 2018 - 08:41am PT
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I think Dean's work is fine, but I wonder where the line is between porn and "art"?
joking, right?
In 1964, Justice Potter Stewart tried to explain "hard-core" pornography, or what is obscene, by saying, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced... but I know it when I see it
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Nov 24, 2018 - 09:46am PT
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Moose pls remove my picture from here. I don't want creeps saving them so they can photoshop them or whatever you people do with people's pics. You act like you don't know?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2018 - 10:01am PT
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https://www.guerrillagirls.com
https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/eascfa/feminist_art_base/anita-steckel
“We women artists… We believe sexual subject matter should be removed from the ‘closet’ of the fine arts where it resides in small portfolios, small works, off the walls, in private collections, etc. We believe sexual subject matter includes many things: political statements, humor, erotica, sociological and psychological statements, as well as purely sensual or esthetic ‘art’ concerns, and of course, the primitive - mysterious reasons none of us know. Sexual subject matter is kept out of museums and in ‘smut magazines’, films, etc., by men still in power because it is considered too unwholesome for such ‘high places’. Nude and sexually portrayed women, however, are not kept out of museums. It is always the men who cover their sex, who hide what they consider ‘their shame’, who think of their sexuality as unwholesome - the ‘fig leaf tradition’. We women artists object to this unhealthy and sexist discrimination and we demand an end to past sexist puritanisms in museums. We assert that sexual as well as any other subject matter is entirely the artist’s concern and that museums have no right to impose their puritanical and sexist - unbalanced, therefore unhealthy - timidity and coyness upon us all and upon future generations and we demand that sexual subject matter, as it is part of life, no longer be prevented from being part of art. And since the woman has traditionally been exposed in her full nakedness and sexuality in all the great museums of the world, so should the male be uncovered, as sexually on display as the woman; the erect penis therefore, as it is part of life, will no longer be prevented from being part of art. If the erect penis is not wholesome enough to go into museums it should not be considered wholesome enough to go into women. And if the erect penis is wholesome enough to go into women then it is more than wholesome enough to go into the greatest art museums.”
Statement by Anita Steckel (woman artist), distributed to other women artists on March 8, 1973 in NYC.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Nov 24, 2018 - 10:15am PT
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the erect penis therefore, as it is part of life, will no longer be prevented from being part of art. OMG - Stone Penis?
Is the irony missed? Where is the balance in this thread?
So I looked up some of the art of Anita Steckel - nothing crazy bat sh!t weird to see there.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2018 - 10:21am PT
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PG? NC-17? She Made Such Calls for 30 Years
By Brooks Barnes
Nov. 23, 2018
SHERMAN OAKS, Calif. — Joan Graves, 77, has seen enough sex on screen for five lifetimes. New and inventive ways to kill people? Don’t get her started. She has spent decades assessing off-color humor, deciding what constitutes glamorized smoking and counting instances of the F-word...
Why do ratings seem harder on nudity than on violence?
We don’t set standards, we reflect them. What are parents most concerned about? Overall, there is something about graphic nudity in this country. We are all graphically nude a couple times of day, so I don’t quite get it....
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Nov 24, 2018 - 10:25am PT
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Post some Stone Penis, Ed.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2018 - 10:59am PT
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with some worry that I will enflame your passions, JLP:
Glen Denny
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Nov 24, 2018 - 12:50pm PT
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Nov 24, 2018 - 01:13pm PT
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Sorry to be trite, but having grown older, pretty sure she's seen both sides. Desire? Prospering from the industry, maybe defining it for a while, but not of it?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Fear and Loathing? Spoiler alert, don't forget the end, but enjoy the ride anyway.
edit; pictures of kids praying in the context of the discussion among adults is a bit over the top.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Nov 24, 2018 - 03:01pm PT
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Feck it. Why not, I'll keep going.
Maybe more than some here... their grandmother's didn't have the vote in their lifetime. A college degree for women? When they were finally allowed to attend, was often in something like home economics. Women in politics, "back in the day"?
Sorry, I said the p word. What were they worth, when they couldn't own property? The price of a dowry? Divorce?
Maybe some politics are older than the human species. In the game, the cost is often greater for women than men. Who makes the rules?
That may be a bit much to see that in some photos.
Do they elevate women? Some in those pics have done it themselves. Add a quote from them, to provide some perspective? A tick list to try to keep it real?
I don't know. Times change. We all get older. Youth vs. experience?
Dudes are gonna dude. Some have daughters; we're all from mothers. Don't think about it too much when looking. It may only be an instant.
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