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Touque
Trad climber
Santacruzcalif
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Jun 26, 2018 - 01:02pm PT
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To everyone out there it's never that bad just talk to someone!
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Nietzsche's "Amor fati" can be compared to Brene Browns words: "Children are not born into this world to be perfect, they are hard-wired for struggle". Happy people are not happy because they are perfect, but because they embrace their imperfections...
I will not get into what Nietzsche says about the last humans and their state of "we-are-happy"-ness...
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Jul 12, 2018 - 01:12pm PT
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I'm not seeing anything other than his re-tweets on his twitter feed from 2 May. What am I missing?
He actually said:
Anthony Bourdain
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Replying to @jeffhulme @talleststone
..and I am in no way an HRC fan. I’ve been on the receiving end of her operatives’ wrath. And it ain’t fun,
4:37 PM - 2 May 2018
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 29, 2018 - 09:13am PT
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Why would Hillarys "operatives" harass Bourdain? What does that even mean>
"He actually said:
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..and I am in no way an HRC fan. I’ve been on the receiving end of her operatives’ wrath. And it ain’t fun,
4:37 PM - 2 May 2018
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Aug 29, 2018 - 09:23am PT
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He apparently called out HRC on Harvey. "Provoking an irate response from one of her aides."
The conspiracy folks of course made hay.
Slowly working my way through Kitchen Confidential...great read. Really reminds me of his voice on his shows. Weird, but, reading it is almost like a book on tape.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Aug 29, 2018 - 09:24am PT
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xCon: wonder what [increased suicide rates] correlates with???
Modernity, secularism, diminished social bonds, increased safety concerns, social fragmentation—as well as hopelessness, a lack of centered identity, meaninglessness, alienation, estrangement, isolation, and detachment psychologically.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Aug 29, 2018 - 04:40pm PT
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Modernity, secularism, diminished social bonds, increased safety concerns, social fragmentation—as well as hopelessness, a lack of centered identity, meaninglessness, alienation, estrangement, isolation, and detachment psychologically.
This ^^^
I've long had the feeling that at root of much of clinical depression is the essential feeling of meaninglessness - it's an existential despair at not knowing what to do to fill the hole inside. The isolation that you mention is not just a human's physical isolation. I think it is the humans feeling that they are alone - that the Universe is a void (rather than an infinite love that is holding them).
Anthony Bourdain always struck me as an essentially unhappy person. I was sorry to hear he killed himself, but not surprised.
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Aug 29, 2018 - 05:12pm PT
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His episode on the Congo was brutal, a combination of Heart of Darkness, (Conrad) and Apocalypse Now, with Anthony B. in a dark place throughout. Available on Netflix, Sad a real lose of someone who helped us look deeper at are own selfs. R.I.P. Sir.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Aug 30, 2018 - 08:25am PT
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phylp,
Certain spiritual traditions would say that every “thing” holds what is commonly seen as “good” and “bad.” Every coin has a heads and a tail. Seeing the head and the tail allows one to see the coin, which is true and invisible.
There has been a “price” to pay for progression, for advancement, for more modern democratic societies, for the apparent autonomy of current, modern individualism. For all that technology and science and education seem to offer to today’s moderns, . . . the other side of the coin is being missed. Hegel said that once an antithesis has finally been recognized as the other side of a thesis, then a new thesis could be conceived that would finally integrate the old thesis and antithesis.
The “price” that I indicated above is, imo, a simple-minded view (ignorance) of seeing only a thesis.
Although we contemporary moderns now seem “all done” with religion, ritual, and myth, we find we are moorless. There’s nothing to anchor and integrate us. We float in space, not really anywhere, without a reference—not unlike this very rock we call the earth.
I’m interested to see what the next evolution (new thesis) will look like for the next “here and now” for humans. I look to the youngest generation to see what’s getting expressed by them. (Not that they understand any of what we see from our old-aged vantage point.)
Be well.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 30, 2018 - 09:11am PT
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Can’t cite data but am convinced that suicide is a first world problem.
People who don’t have three hots and a cot don’t have time to question their self-worth.
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Aug 30, 2018 - 09:44am PT
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^^^Maybe no wonder why troubled folks benefit from "wilderness therapy".
Hoods in the woods, and all that.
Utah, which might count as one of the more religious states, has a suicide rate 60% higher than the national average. Leading cause of death for ages 10 to 17. Crazy. On the state's radar...but...not sure they're really addressing it.
Tough sleddin'.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Aug 30, 2018 - 06:16pm PT
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MikeL, I hope we get to meet and climb together one day. I think I'd enjoy a long conversation with you!
Take care, Phyl
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Phyl,
Yes, thank you. That would be very nice. (I haven’t been on a rope for perhaps a decade now, but your invitation is compelling.)
RobertL,
Cheers.
One might note that on the one hand you call out the lack of resources of the homeless and its impacts on their suffering compassionately, yet you also seem to suggest that resources is a basis for the lack of compassion in those who have more of them. In both instances, resources would appear to be the basis of suffering of those who don’t have much, and ignorance for those who have more. Is resources the central issue here? I suspect one might argue that there is a certain level of resources that are necessary for happiness (but not much more).
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Oct 19, 2018 - 05:24pm PT
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He stuck me as the loneliest man in the world. Friendly, but no real friends; forever a visitor, the rolling stone with no real home.
DMT
DMT, I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head. I've started reading Bourdain's "Medium Raw". Already read "Kitchen Confidential".
In "Medium Raw" he is much more explicit in his descriptions of self loathing and inability to find a "place" in this world we call earth and humanity. F*#king sad he could not find somewhere he felt at home. He mentions in "Medium Raw" he felt most at home in the Caribbean leading an intoxicated, simple life. It seems that is where he found peace.
Seems the need to "prove" himself and live up to the expectations of others was something he struggled with and found only one way out of the struggle.
Only at chapter 8.
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Oct 19, 2018 - 08:51pm PT
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I don't like sad songs or the blues, either. I'm not a dweller on the past. I prefer to look forward to the light.
Sorry... don't mind me. Just thinking outloud. Like I said, the fact of Bourdain's suicide hit me kind of hard.
DMT
Not into sad songs, blues, CW singing about lost love and all that crap. Like you, prefer to see the "glass full" side of life.
His suicide hit me hard as well, which seems a bit strange as people I know have died and not left me feeling the loss. Maybe from a climber's point of view I see him as somewhat of a kindred soul that couldn't find his way out of the paper bag.
Reading his books, sometimes my head hears his voice telling the story, as if I were listening to him reading the book.
So far what I've read of "Medium Raw" gives some insight as to the torment he went through in his head.
You saw a hollowness in his eyes I did not pick up on watching his shows. I get it now.
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Ezra Ellis
Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
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Oct 20, 2018 - 08:56am PT
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Xcon that was an insightful and deep statement,
I like your thought process,
Sincerely
Ezra
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