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ClimbingOn
Trad climber
NY
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Best wishes for Hans and the rescuers. Interested to hear what happened.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, ... oh my... prayers for all to go well... i just heard this from a friend, on the phone...
thanks for the heads up...
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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DANG!
Hope all are safely on the ground soon.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Walter Cronkite is scratching his head.
How dey do dat🎶
May the best result be the result
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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You know, it’s just a traditional theatre phrase , when someone says “ Break a leg” don’t take it literally!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Hooe you’re down soon...pretty classy message for the rescuers!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, enjoimx... wow! say, thanks so very much for letting
us all know...
good for them! >:D<
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Hans, glad that you have a smile on and thumbs up. Heal fast.
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Sorry this happened, keep up your good spirits and heal PDQ!
Go YOSAR!
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Hans, when you are able please hook me up with contact to your pain killer supplier. :)
Heal up well and soon.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Only Hans could handle this with such aplomb.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Only Hans could handle this with such aplomb.
Not sure about that, but all the best to him, hope it's not too serious.
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Spanky
Social climber
boulder co
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Its not a big deal but I'm a bit confused. I saw a video from his partner this am on facebook that said he was on dolt, but one of the posts above said they were on grey ledges. Were they on the nose or some other route? Anyone know what happened?
Either way best wishes to Hans on a speedy recovery!
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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crossing fingers for a safe return with minimal damage of my blonde buddy hans, steve
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Mr_T
Trad climber
Northern California
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>> I saw a video from his partner this am on facebook that said he was on dolt, but one of the posts above said they were on grey ledges. Were they on the nose or some other route? Anyone know what happened?
Hans climbs fast. His partner probably noticed the problem at grey ledges. They probably topped whatever they were doing, got half way up the Nose when Hans finally realized that two broken legs is a problem and he should get it looked at.
Hoping for a speedy recovery.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Grey Bands are between Boot and Camp IV. Grey Ledges is a few hundred feet to the left where Shield, Muir, etc, pass through.
Only someone like Hans could get away with social media updates of his own rescue, I think anyone else would be getting totally roasted right now.
Being injured sux, hope he gets it all back.
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Really sorry to hear this. Hang in there, Hans!
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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pinky and thumb look fine.
now, is it me ... or do those other fingers look a little droopy?
heal up right and proper Hans, you'll be back on it soon
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Not efficient to break a leg!
More gristle for the presentations?
Heal fast!
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d-bird
Trad climber
walnut creek ,ca
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He'll likely be back in a couple of weeks for the first dual leg casted speed accent of the Nose......
Get well soon buddy!!!!
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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got half way up the Nose when Hans finally realized that two broken legs is a problem
Running out of gas because of mechanical problems, and needing a rescue must suck. You'd think that Hans would know better, than to start off without first checking to make sure everything is OK.
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Ghoulwe
Trad climber
Spokane, WA
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I'm guessing Hans will set a record for broken leg recovery. Then he'll break them again next year and beat his recovery time by several days...
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Yikes! Best Wishes for a complete recovery.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Sometimes, bad luck happens. Even to the best and most experienced.
Best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Hoping for good outcome Hans
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Sorry to hear this.
Heal up, Hans!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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So you won't be passing me on El Cap like usual this spring??
Heal up well, Hansy.
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WBraun
climber
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According to the Fresno Bee El Cap is NOT a rock wall anymore.
It's a mountain.
Where mountain climbers climb and break their bodies .......
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skywalker1
Trad climber
co
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Its best too keep the general public uninformed. Less of a hassle with all the details and stuff.
S...
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Heal fast Hans!
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PhilG
Trad climber
The Circuit, Tonasket WA
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Sending some love, and positive thoughts
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Hopefully Hans and company are down safe and recuperating.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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best wishes to Hans for the time of healing that lays ahead
and props to the team and to YOSAR
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Well, i guess it could have been worse.
Glad he appears to be relatively ok.
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bchains
Trad climber
Bay Area, CA
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Hans not giving AF. New nose record with erector set ankles...GO!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there, say, hans... i only know you, from here at the ol' taco:
but, ahhhhh, there you GO!!
nothing like reading a 'training mag' when you just can't
quite be 'out there doing it' ... ;)
happy good eve, god bless, and keep getting well, at a good
solid rate...
:)
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Hans,
I love the shameless plugs for your two books. It's a good sign that you are on the mend! Do you know any place in Yosemite West that might be available to help you recover in peace and quiet?
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Hans reading "Training for Climbing". Classic.
Heal up soon.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sounds like no serious head, spine or joint injuries, so hoping an praying for a prompt recovery.
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Roadie
Trad climber
moab UT
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so sorry, I hate it when that happens! relax, treat yourself to some decadence, enjoy the drugs... I remember some friendly, cutting banter we had on the good book twenty years ago, you're a good guy who can take good natured sh#t as well as give it. healing well is more important than healing fast. that's my best advice. good luck, roadie
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Wishing you a very speedy recovery, Hans!
(I hope it's as fast as you climb)!!!
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Since Hans is idle, dip him in wax, cast that in bronze, and put the monument near the toe of the Nose.
Everybody wins.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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You see man, that's why I place pro every half body length. Something tells me you might have been just a little more run out....
What you guys do up there amazes me. Sorry this one jumped out and bit you. Heal well, heal fully and know that your entire tribe is behind you.
Scott
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HeschMonster
Trad climber
Morro Bay
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micronut, i'm calling "totally runout" the next time placements exceed my ape index... ;)
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Glad his head and spine are ok but the external fixator bolted to his leg is a sign that whatever ankle injury Hans had was not minor. I just hope he didn't have a Pilon fracture, also called a Plafond fracture, where the joint gets blown up from impact. I had that and hope Hans didn't. Either way those are serious injuries and Hans will need the support of friends for awhile. It makes all the difference - that's for sure.
Heal up buddy!
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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hans has two badly broken feet. i have broken both my fibulas in falls from height, but his breaks are way worse. still, they seem mostly recoverable, and i think hans will go on to do the nose in a day again. left leg the talus is broke, the right leg is the calcaneous or heel bone as i understand.
hans was doing the upper part of pancake flake when he fell. this section is 5.11c or hard C!. hans was self belaying(on a gri gri i imagine) while his partner cleaned the great roof. he had a small cam in and placed and tested a stopper. he moved onto it and it blew. he said he fell about 20 feet into the flat triangular ledge that guard s this section. a bad place to fall, and the self belay system might not have been as sensitive as a regular belay,,,easy to build a little slack in that belay system. but he wasn't doing anything especially dangerous, and certainly was not running it out here.
and then he led his own rescue till sar arrived . shazam!
too bad it was too windy to do a pickoff last thursday with a helicopter a pickoff would have gotten hans to the hospital about 20 hours earlier . steve schneider
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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The degree of seriousness has to do with how badly the calcaneus was fractured. Just a crack? Or totally smashed like an egg shell in many pieces? When they talk about an operation, one wonders whether they pinned the broken heel so it will heal in a fairly normal shape?
There are broken heels and there's a shattered calcaneus.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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hans was doing the upper part of pancake flake when he fell. this section is 5.11c or hard C!. hans was self belaying(on a gri gri i imagine) while his partner cleaned the great roof. he had a small cam in and placed and tested a stopper. he moved onto it and it blew. he said he fell about 20 feet into the flat triangular ledge that guard s this section.
Isn't that the triangular ledge where that loose block used to sit that the German climber pulled off many moons ago (and subsequently went for the big ride)?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California, now Ireland
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Heal up Hans. Ed thanks for the ABC link. Lafayette eh? I grew up there.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Best wishes, Hans. You're a hero in every way.
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WBraun
climber
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I belayed Bachar on that pancake flake pitch when it was first ever freed.
He ran up the pitch to the triangular ledge like it was nothing and then came to a screeching stop.
He yelled down "Ho Mann" we then knew it was gonna be hard and sketchy, lol.
But he floated it.
Hans .... your injuries are the house of pain.
But you've always been a bad ass, remember the survival of the fittest show, and you'll overcome ....
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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I dropped in on Hans this morning with clean shirts and a book for him to read. His spirits are good, although I'd guess he was in a whole lot more pain than he was letting on. Tough guy. Relentlessly optimistic and determined. He'll get through, I have no doubt, but equally certain is that it ain't gonna be an easy push.
To Bruce's comment above, unfortunately, I think he's dealing with the latter situation. If I remember correctly, his calcaneus is shattered into six pieces. His lower left leg is stabilized with four (?) large pins and two spreader bars and looks like a terminator exoskeleton. His right (which I believe is the jacked heel) is visibly bruised and badly swollen and he has to wait for the swelling to go down before it gets operated on. I think likely in a couple of weeks. It's gonna be a process for old Hans. I think he's looking at three to six months in a wheelchair, depending on how fast he heals.
I posted a few photos on my FB page, so it shouldn't be too hard to find them if you want to check him out. Shouldn't be any access issues as I made them public for his zillion friends to see.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Is there a hospital where a card can be sent?
I’m old fashioned that way.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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Well, he's kind of bouncing between friends's places with decent wheelchair access right now . . .
If you want to send a card to the address below, I'll make sure he gets it.
2865 Emerald Drive
Walnut Creek, CA 94597
(Same for anyone else, too...)
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dave yerian
Trad climber
the parking lot
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May 10, 2018 - 11:14am PT
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What a blessing Hans didn't hurt himself more and he is still with us. Why is it, today, climbing has become such a competitive sport? In general, speed climbing is a very dangerous way to climb. What are we trying to prove with it?
Maybe this event will change the way people think about trying to push and push the standards to a higher level with the potential of a much greater danger factor.
Always count your blessings and be humble before the rock.
Dave
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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May 10, 2018 - 12:34pm PT
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I'd have to check with my daughter (an MD) but having been through the shattered ankle epic with the terminator external fixator and 5 operations, my understanding is that you can blow out a bone BETWEEN joints and heal up fine, no matter how grave the break (given modern techniques, graphs, hardware, etc). But when you blow out the joint (think hinge point), it will never be the same. And arthritis is a certainty - to some degree. I also find it odd that if only his right heel is broken he would have so much swelling and wait time for surgery. But this is all guessing till his injuries are spelled out in specific medical terms. I'm curious because I had them and count Hans as a friend.
The great and fortunate thing is that his spine and head are ok. A stud like Hollywood Hans can adjust to a few cranky ankles. If I did, he can for certain.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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May 10, 2018 - 01:13pm PT
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How are you now John?
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snakefoot
climber
Nor Cal
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May 10, 2018 - 01:52pm PT
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Agree with largo, once the ligaments and other soft tissues of a joint are injured, you're hosed and in for a long recovery. best to break the bone mid shaft...MD
Heal up hans!
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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May 10, 2018 - 05:28pm PT
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I'm doing ok but I had a pilon fracture where the joint blew apart and an open fracture tib that shot through my ankle with such force I ended up with a fist sized hole in my shin that had to be filled with a muscle graph from my thigh. Plus a bunch of nerve damage (about 80% numb in my foot).
So there was a lot of soft tissue damage that Hans didn't (I hope) have. Plus an open fracture.
I learned that the biggest hitch to healing was circulation, which gets badly compromised when bones blow apart - which is WAY different from a simple fracture. About 2 years into recovery I started riding my bike a lot and a year later my leg was much better.
My ankle range of motion is poor so I can't run or jump but I hiked up to higher spire and Yoz falls last year and can ride my bike hard for 50 miles so I'm doing well considering. There is always a low grade ache in the ankle but I've gotten to where I can block it out most of the time. Once every few months something shifts around in there or whatever and I can't walk for a few days then it goes away and I'm back to new normal.
I will admit that for the first two years the chronic pain made me consider cutting that bad boy off. Glad I didn't. But recovery in my case took 4 years.
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Gregory Crouch
Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
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May 11, 2018 - 03:03pm PT
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Phylp—Your card for Hans arrived today. I'll get it over to him ASAP.
I'm sure he'll greatly appreciate it.
Largo—Grim. I knew it had been bad. Not that it had been that bad.
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Jeffery Butterfield
climber
Bar Harbor, Maine
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May 14, 2018 - 07:43pm PT
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It might be a minor blessing that there’s a small delay before Hans’ heel fracture surgery. I know from experience that the post-op reality for that procedure is no picnic; I can’t fathom simultaneously dealing with that kind of pain and the discomfort he must surely already be in from the operations to address his left leg trauma. But then, were talking about Hans Florine here. I wouldn’t have guessed he’d so much as stubbed a toe from the post-accident photos I’ve seen.
Six fragments put Hans in the “severely comminuted calcaneal fracture” club (I’m a member, and like Hans, after an abrupt stop onto a granite ledge). Once he’s home, he’ll want to set up camp on the floor. I discovered it was excruciating to allow my injured foot to drop below my heart for even a few seconds, like when I’d try to get out of bed for a bathroom visit. After the first attempt, we moved the mattress to the floor and I learned to scoot backwards to go anywhere, holding my foot up in the air as I did. Sitting on the floor below the toilet, I’d have to pause to get psyched—like before launching into a scary crux—knowing what kind of pain toll sitting up there was going to extract.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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May 15, 2018 - 02:10pm PT
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I basically had to keep my leg elevated for a year. Whenever I'd lower it, it turned bright red and throbbed.
Don't know the actual damage to his joint but that's the real issue.
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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its been a month since hans broke his feet on the nose. two weeks ago he got out of the hospital after getting a bunch of metal put in his feet/legs. he remains positive, is already off the nasty pain meds, but still has a long recovery ahead of him. he continues to couch surf while looking for a more permanent place to stay. its an extra challenge to be doing this in the middle of a divorce(albeit a friendly one. he has two teenage kids, the oldest entering university in the fall. of course he is severely money challenged at this point. his friends have set up a go fund me page to help defray his expenses. If you know hans, or perhaps been inspired by him, then now is a chance to help out one of our tribe in need.
sincereley, Steve Schneider
https://www.gofundme.com/hansflorinemedicalfund
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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bump for my blonde brother
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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What a blessing Hans didn't hurt himself more and he is still with us. Why is it, today, climbing has become such a competitive sport? In general, speed climbing is a very dangerous way to climb. What are we trying to prove with it?
Maybe this event will change the way people think about trying to push and push the standards to a higher level with the potential of a much greater danger factor.
Always count your blessings and be humble before the rock.
-D.Yerian
After the recent events this post came to mind...
Hang in there Hans!
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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I realized that I have been out of touch between all the life milestones. How could I miss this? Healing wishes for Hans. I so enjoyed the celebrity. clImb with you. Recoveries are. not speedy at our ages. But determination still will carry the day.
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simply theresa
climber
Yosemite
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Thanks for posting the Go Fund Me link, Steve. I hadn't heard that there was one until now. Donation made.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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external fixator bolted to his leg is a sign that whatever ankle injury Hans had was not minor
No doubt. I hear those things do wonders but are extremely painful.
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mountain girl
Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
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Heal fast and well, Hans
Ingrid
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say,shipoopoi...
thank you so much for the update... and the info, for folks...
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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bump for the guy who taught caldwell and honhold how to climb fast on the nose. hans' go fund me account is at the top of this page. he just found a house to move into so he is not couch surfing anymore. but he is far from getting back to steady work. he could use our help. steve schneider
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Think of it this way Hans, you know one of the best anesthesiologists in the country!! : ) best wishes for complete healing..
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wayne w
Trad climber
the nw
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Bump for Hans!
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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Jun 13, 2018 - 09:03am PT
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here's a shout out for dean rosnau's book promotion tour in the bay area. dean will be at rei concord tonight at 7pm to promote his book. i will try to be there as well. dean has generously offered to donate all of his book selling proceeds from this event to hans recovery/go fund me page(above post), so lets turn out and support our fast, blonde, buddy. steve schneider
dean will also being doing a book promo at rei in san carlos on thursday night at 7 pm, so turn out to buy his book, support hans, and listen to some great resuce stories.
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Jun 13, 2018 - 11:25am PT
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Donated to the fund just now.
Get well Hans!
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Vlada
Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
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Jun 14, 2018 - 06:39am PT
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Donated and bump.
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shipoopoi
Big Wall climber
oakland
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Jun 18, 2018 - 09:47am PT
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another bump for my blonde buddy. he has moved into an apartment so is no longer couch surfing, but still can't drive so he is still dependent upon people to get him around. heather and i took a day off work last week, drove to mariposa, and picked up an extra bed we have and moved it down here for hans, so he has a real bed of his own right now. help out if you can, steve schneider
https://www.gofundme.com/hansflorinemedicalfund
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Mar 26, 2019 - 08:27pm PT
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I see Hans is doing some talks. Sorry to miss the show in Seattle but hope to come upon one soon. Thanks for the info on the book. Still smile when I think about the adventure on the Hulk - one of my favorite climbing days ever. Wishing his spirit and body continue to recover. Come see us in Oregon
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