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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 4, 2018 - 07:56pm PT
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"Caltrans has started clearing avalanche debris from the east side of the Tioga Road in several locations below 9000 feet. Presumably, they will be making their way towards Tioga Pass during the next several weeks. Visitors approaching Tuolumne Meadows from Lee Vining should anticipate bare pavement up to around the Warren Fork and creeping higher as the snow removal efforts continue. Please stay clear of all machinery while on this stretch of road."
I'm surprised to see them already beginning the preliminary stages of clearing the road. Especially with the wet spring the Sierra has been having thus far.
https://www.nps.gov/yose/blogs/update-for-april-4-2018.htm
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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I will take a guess at May 11.
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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2018 - 07:46am PT
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That's a good guess 10b.
My vote is May 6th.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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i think it was 1968, i remember my Dad taking us through the first day, August 10.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Early May would be so helpful for the Bridwell Memorial......Hoping.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Apr 18, 2018 - 06:35pm PT
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Anyone know if the gate 5 miles west of Lee Vining is open to the park entrance at the pass?
I did read it was open last week but I’m not sure how much snow they got during Monday’s storm event and if that got plowed?
Info much appreciated, please I know the road is closed this is a question about ski road access pass the gate low down in the canyon.
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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2018 - 08:04pm PT
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I just read the newest Tuolumne winter conditions (last one of the season) report they plowed to the pass.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Apr 19, 2018 - 08:46am PT
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Thanks Grippa, I'll take your word for it....I can't find that statement on their update, likely my technology retardation. Heading there tomorrow with hopes of the corn factory being in full production up high.
Cheers,
Charlie D.
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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 19, 2018 - 10:30am PT
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"Caltrans continued there (sic) snow removal efforts on the east side of Tioga Pass this week and they reached Tioga Pass before this last storm. Visitors approaching from the east should anticipate dry pavement (except any new snow that falls) east of Tioga Pass. The park will be working on the road from west to east now."
Sounds like they're queuing up the big snow removal equipment at snowline before moving into the gut of Tuolumne.
https://www.nps.gov/yose/blogs/update-for-april-18-2018-last-update-for-the-season.htm
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Apr 19, 2018 - 07:31pm PT
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FYI - Heard from a reliable local source this afternoon that the gate is closed low in the canyon. No public access beyond it for now.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Apr 24, 2018 - 11:27am PT
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Is there anything to prevent a person just going up Tioga Pass and going as far as he wants to on a bike? Or biking up from Crane Flat?
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Apr 24, 2018 - 02:03pm PT
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Plows are just east of Tenaya Lake, working through three to four feet of snow.
I'll predict they open the road on May 18th.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Apr 24, 2018 - 02:47pm PT
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Could this possibly be Plan 2 for me? Much rather go this way than 99 to Bridwell's.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Apr 24, 2018 - 09:44pm PT
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Is there anything to prevent a person just going up Tioga Pass and going as far as he wants to on a bike? Or biking up from Crane Flat?
1. Wilderness Permit.
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kief
Trad climber
east side
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Apr 25, 2018 - 07:25am PT
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Tioga Road corridor is outside designated wilderness so no reason a permit would be required.
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Dr Lefttoe
Gym climber
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Apr 25, 2018 - 12:13pm PT
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When the pass is closed, it is enforced and presumably posted as wilderness.
I have a friend that "walked" his bike over the pass in winter 2015 and was intercepted and tooled near the gate above crane flat. $125!
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kief
Trad climber
east side
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Apr 25, 2018 - 06:49pm PT
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Re spring cycling on the Tioga Rd, the Superintendent's Compendium of regulations for Yosemite, 36 CFR §4.30 (a), reads:
Spring bicycle use on the Tioga Road and Glacier Point Road may be permitted on days and during times in which no snow removal activities are underway, when the road is cleared of snow but not yet opened to vehicle traffic, and subject to any limits or restrictions set by the superintendent.
Another section specifies that the Tioga Road east of Crane Flat is closed in winter. Violating the closure would be the basis for a ticket and fine, not lack of a wilderness permit. Wilderness permits are only required for overnight camping.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Apr 25, 2018 - 08:39pm PT
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Riding a harmless bike on a paved NP road can win you a ticket from a park ranger driving a internal combustion engine...?
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Apr 25, 2018 - 11:21pm PT
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Another section specifies that the Tioga Road east of Crane Flat is closed in winter. Violating the closure would be the basis for a ticket and fine, not lack of a wilderness permit.
Surely that doesn't apply to x-country skiing. I've skied up the Tioga Road from Crane Flat tons or times and never been cited. You must mean riding a bike up that section of road?
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jsavage
climber
Independence, CA
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Apr 26, 2018 - 09:53am PT
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Anyone have any info on Sonora Pass? It generally opens sooner than Tioga, correct?
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Tuolumne Climber
climber
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Apr 26, 2018 - 12:59pm PT
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For those who prefer the phone, there's a CalTrans road info number:
800-427-7623 (800-GAS-ROAD)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 27, 2018 - 11:16am PT
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Hope it’s open by 5/25....would love to sneak out that way after the Bird’s memorial and a little cragging.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Apr 28, 2018 - 07:23am PT
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What's the scoop for finding out when the road is open to the park entrance at Tioga pass for BC skiing.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Apr 28, 2018 - 08:53am PT
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Would like to know this as well, Flip Flop.
from https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/tioga.htm
Tioga Road
April 27, 2018
Road and forestry crews are working all along Tioga Road. Plows reached Tioga Pass, although significant snow and rock/debris remain along the road. Olmsted Point avalanche zone is still active. While plows have reached Tioga Pass, a substantial amount of work remains prior to opening. There is no estimated opening date for the Tioga Road.
Updates, if any, about allowing bicycles on Tioga Road prior to opening, will appear here.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Apr 28, 2018 - 12:36pm PT
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What's the scoop for finding out when the road is open to the park entrance at Tioga pass for BC skiing.
Call Mono county.
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John M
climber
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Apr 28, 2018 - 08:22pm PT
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Actually it says 5 miles west of 395, which I believe is past the lower gate, but not at the upper gate. The upper gate is 13 miles from 395.
[IN THE CENTRAL CALIFORNIA AREA & SIERRA NEVADA]
IS CLOSED FROM CRANE FLAT TO 5 MI WEST OF THE JCT OF US 395 /TIOGA PASS/ (TUOLUMNE, MONO CO) - FOR THE WINTER - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Apr 28, 2018 - 10:04pm PT
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Surely that doesn't apply to x-country skiing. I've skied up the Tioga Road from Crane Flat tons or times and never been cited. You must mean riding a bike up that section of road?
Riding a bike on a legally designated road is regulated by the Calif Vehicle Code. Cross county skiing is not.
However, the route can be closed to all activity, if doing those things creates a significant risk of interference with official vehicles, snow or otherwise.
Wilderness boundaries are not flexible, and do not change with conditions. However, the corridor of the non-wilderness is narrow, I thinnk measured in feet.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Apr 30, 2018 - 09:40am PT
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Tioga Road
April 27, 2018
Road and forestry crews are working all along Tioga Road. Plows reached Tioga Pass, although significant snow and rock/debris remain along the road. Olmsted Point avalanche zone is still active. While plows have reached Tioga Pass, a substantial amount of work remains prior to opening. There is no estimated opening date for the Tioga Road.
https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/tioga.htm
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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anyone think this may open this weekend or next?
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jsavage
climber
Independence, CA
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Caltrans Facebook page shows Sonora Pass opening at 2:00 today.
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badxtracab
Mountain climber
colorado
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Sure they wanna open ASAP it's all about the Munny $$$$$$
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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Looks like Caltrans has opened 120 from the East Gate to 395. . . so the park hasnt opened the gate, but you can go see the gate now. . .
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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My understanding is that the road will be open to the pass. Is the road thru TM going to be open?
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Heck yes, I'm up that way tomorrow, will be bonus if the road is open to The Meadows!
Peace
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nwhkr
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Cool. Maybe you will get an inside scoop on when the road is officially opening up. Let us know. Thanks
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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We got some late snow up here in Worshington...... Chinook Pass is expected to open June 11. Here's a photo at the top; the sign in the background is actually the Pacific Crest Trail foot bridge over the highway.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Any updates on Tioga Pass? I’m hoping to use it on 5/25.
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John M
climber
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The park doesn't usually announce the opening until a few days before. 120 is open from the east side to the park gate, which is at 10,000 feet. The road is plowed in the park. As of May 3rd side roads had not been plowed.
My guess based on living and working in the park for 25 years is it will be open by the 25th. I would say it might possibly be open by this weekend. By the 11th. Lows at 10,000 feet are above freezing at night.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Thanks John!
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em kn0t
Trad climber
isle of wyde
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120 was closed at the entrance station, but many cyclists were on the road. I talked to one cyclist who rode all the way to Tenaya Lake and said the road was clear to there
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Risk
Mountain climber
Marooned, 855 miles from Tuolumne Meadows
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I don't recall any means, like a gate, to open portions of the road between Tioga Pass and Porcupine Flat, even if ready to go (South Fork?). Think about the logistics - tourists in rental cars, the need for bathrooms, trash, pull-outs and shoulders, ambulance and emergency services. On top of Zinke/Trump saying "give them nothing until we can privative everything and make a profit." I'm sure they're working on it as best they can.
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phile
Trad climber
SF, CA
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Does Yosemite still officially open 120 to bikes before cars each year?
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Urmas
Social climber
Sierra Eastside
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We tried to ride to Tenaya Lake on Sunday, but caught a ration from an irate road worker about 3 miles in, and turned around. Folks we met said they had ridden to Olmstead the day before with no problems. Are they working on Sundays just to be paid time and a half?
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Was there yesterday and the guy running the Mono Market in Lee Vining said 120 should open fully in a week to 10 days, after final road work is complete (clearing continuing small rock slides, etc.).
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Matt's
climber
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May 15, 2018 - 05:29pm PT
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Bump-- any sense if it will be open by this Friday?
Thanks
Matt
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KRS-Grun
Trad climber
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May 16, 2018 - 05:32pm PT
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Word on the street is a NPS truck flipped so they are pushing opening back another week. I hope I’m wrong.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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May 16, 2018 - 08:42pm PT
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Word on the street is a NPS truck flipped so they are pushing opening back another week. I hope I’m wrong.
Werner, what's the word on this?
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WBraun
climber
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May 16, 2018 - 08:53pm PT
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Walleye mental speculator.
It wasn't Aramark.
NPS vehicle hit some gravel and spun out by Olmstead Pt.
Rode their truck down a ways and escaped serious injuries.
The weather is the problem with opening the road to the public from what I've picked up .....
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squishy
Mountain climber
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May 17, 2018 - 12:08pm PT
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Blammo!!
SR-120/TIOGA PASS SET TO OPEN MONDAY, MAY 21
Yosemite National Park will open State Route 120/Tioga Pass for the season on Monday, May 21, 2018 at 9:00 am. There will be limited services on Tioga Road and all campgrounds along Tioga Road remain closed.
There is no anticipated opening date for the Tuolumne Meadows store and the Tuolumne Meadows Visitor Center. There is no gasoline available along Tioga Road. The closest gas station is located at Crane Flat.
Motorists should drive with caution and be aware of possible hazards in the roadway, including rocks, debris, and water. Tioga Road may be impacted by incoming storm activity, including snow and icy driving conditions, over the next week.
Tioga Road may temporarily close due to weather and unsafe driving conditions at any time. Tioga Road is a seasonal road through Yosemite National Park, typically open from late spring to early fall.
For updated 24-hour road and weather conditions for Yosemite National Park, please call 209-372-0200.
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Zclipper69
Trad climber
mill valley
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May 17, 2018 - 04:59pm PT
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I got bored and reviewed past opening dates. I think average is about June 8.
remember knot to trust everything you read on the internet:)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 17, 2018 - 09:39pm PT
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If the road is open to cyclist will the park allow snow shoeing on the road..?
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jaredm
Trad climber
Oakland
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May 20, 2018 - 01:13pm PT
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Cruised up on my bike from the Tuolumne Grove trailhead to Medlicott Dome before flipping around yesterday. Conditions were great aside from scattered rain and a bit of hail later in the afternoon.
It's awesome that the NPS allows cyclists only for a day each year - no way I'd ride Tioga Rd on a normal day with all the RVs out there.
Conditions looked great on a bunch of domes - can't wait to come back and climb next month!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 20, 2018 - 02:38pm PT
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Was riding down hill towards fairveiw and came around a curve and almost clobbered some knuckle head lady riding on the wrong side of the road...a ranger in a truck was behind her telling her to get on the right side of the road...stoopid americans...great day to be in the meadow...saw a good sized bald eagle hunting on tenaya lake..
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Onewhowalksonrocks
Mountain climber
Ventura
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May 20, 2018 - 08:54pm PT
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A friend has been asking me when the campgrounds will be open. Website is saying 7-15. Does anyone have an idea if they will open earlier?
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Dr Lefttoe
Gym climber
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May 21, 2018 - 06:35am PT
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Does anyone know when the pass will open next year? i'd really like to make some plans.
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Marshall
climber
bay area
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May 25, 2018 - 08:49am PT
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What's the over/under on tioga closing tonight with this small storm?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 25, 2018 - 10:19pm PT
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I went over Tioga Pass today and there was very little snow anywhere. Pretty hard to believe it couldn’t be opened until this past weekend.
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John M
climber
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May 25, 2018 - 11:01pm PT
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It likely wasn't the amount of snow on the ground, but rather the weather conditions that kept them from opening it. Snow flurries can turn into feet of snow very quickly in the Sierra Nevada. Combine that with a location in California where too many people do not know how to drive in the snow and do not have snow tires on their vehicles, and things get hairball very quickly. The park errors on the side of caution. In one snow storm near Wawona, it snowed 12 inches in an hour, and in that hour there were 35 car accidents between Wawona and Oakhurst. 2 of them with serious injuries. I can't tell you how many people from back east or some other cold place who came to Yosemite and ended up in an accident because they thought the few inches of snow was no big deal. Warm roads and heavy wet snow make for treacherous conditions.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 26, 2018 - 07:33am PT
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Driving up tioga last week to the closed gate i noticed that cal trans had built rock and dirt berms on the shoulder of the road...Looked like it was done to keep cars from going over the side...? cheaper than guard rails...? I imagine one car sliding off the icy road up there could close the pass for a day..So why tempt fate by leaving the road open during a storm..?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 26, 2018 - 07:50am PT
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I don’t know guys. I live in snow country and I think, from what I saw, the pass could have been safely opened quite a bit earlier.....just sayin.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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May 26, 2018 - 09:04am PT
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People go over the edge during the summer when conditions are perfect. jess sayin'.
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Mtbphoto
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, Ca
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May 26, 2018 - 09:28am PT
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I talked to some people about 2 weeks before the pass opened up that had ridden their bikes almost to the meadows. They said they were turned around because they had the road dug out doing repairs. With all the rain this year I could only imagine what happened to the road surface.
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