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monolith
climber
state of being
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May 21, 2018 - 10:35am PT
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Hope the father gets sued. Too bad he can't lose his home over this. (or maybe he can)
Fear, guns are part of their job. False equivalence.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 21, 2018 - 10:47am PT
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Stop fantasizing about "legally pulling the trigger" and get some help?
Your relentless psycho-babble is, well, relentless.
If you had a functioning sense of humor on this subject, you'd clearly see the humor in my response to the whole "smart gun" idea. You know, "Windows update... rebooting...." Come on. It was funny.
And I find your conflation of the both moral and legal right to self-defense and that of my family with being psychotic to be itself psychotic. That's just bizarro-land, man. Take a chill-pill.
If you choose to proxy off your violence to "the authorities," that's your choice. Nobody's forcing you any which way on the subject. Just don't impose your choice on everybody else and have the audacity to wrap it in a totally false moral security blanket. To protect yourself and your family, you'd call a cop and expect that "first responder" to exercise any necessary level of violence to protect you and yours.
The problem with your approach is twofold:
1) You have no moral high ground just because you don't have the will/stomach to exercise necessary violence on your own behalf.
2) The cops will arrive after whatever was going to be done to you is done. Anybody that doesn't understand that THEY are the actual first-responder is living in a dream world. The only reason people like that typically live out their lives without incident is the fact that the sort of violence you are all amped up about is very rare. But if you're ever in such a horrible situation, and the minutes of agony are dragging by while you wait for a cop, well, in that day you'll rethink.
When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.
Toward somebody who denies the most fundamental right of self-defense to others, but who would lamely and only proxy that right off to somebody else, I really have nothing to say that can help you. It's literally just bizarre that you could think that your perspective makes you better than anybody who doesn't want to wait helplessly for a cop to eventually show up.
Your endless accusations of "Rambo fantasy" are truly sick. I mean that. The fact that you can project that sort of perspective on anybody and publicly accuse anybody of that indicates that you really have gone off the rails on this subject. You seriously owe me an apology. Beyond the pale, man. Beyond the pale.
NOBODY that carries a gun WANTS to use it! OMG!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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May 21, 2018 - 11:32am PT
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NOBODY that carries a gun WANTS to use it! OMG!
Of course almost no one wants to be in a deadly situation. Almost no one wants to have to shoot someone. I say almost because there are violent people out there who would relish the opportunity. But even with relatively normal people like you and me you have to admit you'd want to use it in certain circumstances. What if you were on one of the 9/11 planes? I'd shoot those bastards dead and not lose a minute of sleep over it.
If you really wanted to avoid ever using it you would avoid situations where you may need one and not carry it. In my whole life I have never needed or wanted a gun to use against a human. Probably the only reason you think you need one is because someone else may have one. Right? If you were in a different country like Great Britain you wouldn't feel you need one. See the circular reasoning that led us to this point. There's lots of guns in the US so I need a gun to protect myself. That's what bothers a lot of people, there's an arms race going on that they don't want to be part of.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 21, 2018 - 11:38am PT
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Kingtut
Yes, admiration of the "hero", his gun and his strategy not to be forgotten. If there is no hero, make one...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 21, 2018 - 11:41am PT
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Carrying a weapon in public as a matter of course? Sorry, that's an issue at the very least, a clinical diagnosis at worst and, either way, not a sign of a very well-adjusted human.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 21, 2018 - 11:49am PT
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No, no one can be shouted into sub mission... money can do that... ask the NRA...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 21, 2018 - 11:52am PT
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Says that man who thinks everyone is at the top of the bell curve and that there are two truths to every issue. No one who packs a gun every time they leave the house is 'middle of the road' or 'normal' in any way.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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May 21, 2018 - 11:59am PT
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This thread has gone completely off the rails.
Bye bye now.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 21, 2018 - 12:22pm PT
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When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.
Or just waiting outside, scared sh!tless, for the problem to resolve itself..... (i.e. Cheshire, CT, Floriduh, Newtown, etc)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 21, 2018 - 12:47pm PT
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Well politics makes strange bedfellows that’s all I can add to your usual polarized opinion.
Polarized is when you only leave your home armed with a weapon.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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May 21, 2018 - 01:31pm PT
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Given how scary the world is for the pro-gun crowd, why isn't there a push to make full auto weapons legal again? Heck, why not mandatory. Every Johnny should have to carry an Uzi or better to school to defend themselves. Isn't the only way to stop a bad guy with a roof mounted .50 cal a good guy with a roof mounted .50 cal?
Why can't I buy surface to air missiles to defend my Dooms Day Bunker from all the SJW's that are out to take my Freedoms?!
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 21, 2018 - 01:34pm PT
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To protect against the state Americans would today need drone weapons...
And why is no one talking about bunkers...
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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May 21, 2018 - 01:35pm PT
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Laser satellites for shooting down drones too.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 21, 2018 - 01:36pm PT
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Yes, that's to follow the implisitt logic...
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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May 21, 2018 - 01:58pm PT
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. . . deranged f*#kers packing heat every day they leave the house
Like a lot of retired (and very sane and sensible) police officers.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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May 21, 2018 - 02:05pm PT
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We are a society that is growing sicker by the day.
Does anyone really believe that “fortifying” and arming our schools is the way out of this mess?
We have created a culture that sees “other people” as the problem, and glorifies violent revenge against “other people” that you feel have wronged you.
Until we fix that mindset, things are going to get worse.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 21, 2018 - 02:15pm PT
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Careful john you'll get slapped with a logical fallacy, what the brighter ones do when the name calling fails.
I've been around good people who carry firearms every day for decades now... I still haven't met any paranoid crazies that tut fantasizes about or that the msm spews on and on about. I've met some odd people for sure but never anyone looking for a fight. Once you've been training for a few years and you see what real bullets do and can't do, nobody sane wants to get into a firefight unless all else fails.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 21, 2018 - 02:26pm PT
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I'm personally all for coming for your guns. Is there any legitimate purpose for guns that require more than 100 million guns? Not as far as I'm concerned so that means we could easily roundup and meltdown about 200 million excess guns. And really, with 300 million guns already in circulation, I can't think of a single reason - aside from a highly activist interpretation of the 2nd - why guns should be so readily available, ridiculously easy to purchase, or why gun owners shouldn't be regulated exactly like cars and drivers.
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