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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Mar 20, 2018 - 09:27pm PT
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Yawn. No big fan of REI but no fan of Vista either. The hypocrisy angle is absurd misdirection.
Go buy your camelback at Cabelas problem solved. You can get a semi automatic rifle while you’re there too!
Bang bang!
agreed
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Mar 21, 2018 - 05:43am PT
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That article shows a bit of a failure to understand the difference between a tax and a donation. Vista paid that money because they were taxed. It wasn't a charitable donation and there's no way to know if they would have done it independently.
REI's donations to environmental causes are exactly that. Donations.
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NegativeK
climber
Chicago
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Mar 21, 2018 - 07:37am PT
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The article is angry at REI's political move and is making up reasons to justify the anger. Gun purchasing is presented solely through the lens of the 10% tax, completely ignoring why people (including REI) are arguing about guns.
Now, if Vista was giving 10% of every Camelbak purchase to the trust, we might be having a different conversation.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Mar 21, 2018 - 08:35am PT
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OP has a point, but we should not stop at this one obscure example. how about the economic damage gun violence causes, $12 million PER DAY
Every citizen shares the burden of this cost, shouldn't the people profiting from guns be taxed to off set this cost. Once the gun industry shares this cost we could reconsider the other unfair taxes.
http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-violence-costs-america-more-than-229-billion-every-year-2015-4
American taxpayers pay roughly $12.8 million every day to cover the costs of gun-related deaths and injuries— and that is a conservative estimate, according to a new report released by Mother Jones on the cost of gun violence in America.
The true cost, however, is not fully known, partly because of the vast sum that's been spent by the NRA and other gun rights activists to shut down research related to firearms, and partly because of the sheer number of expenses incurred when someone is shot.
What is known is that taxpayers cover roughly 87% of these costs, which include, but are not limited to:
Medical treatment
"Maybe $5 million?" responded one woman when asked how much her gun wound had cost between hospital bills, physical therapy, trauma counseling, in-home care, wheelchairs, customized vans, and lost income. Many people also have long-term problems such as bowel issues, arthritis problems, and chronic pain that keeps them hooked on pain medication and returning to the hospital.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 21, 2018 - 09:59am PT
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OP has a point, but we should not stop at this one obscure example. how about the economic damage gun violence causes, $12 million PER DAY
Every citizen shares the burden of this cost, shouldn't the people profiting from guns be taxed to off set this cost. Once the gun industry shares this cost we could reconsider the other unfair taxes.
http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-violence-costs-america-more-than-229-billion-every-year-2015-4
12.8 million x 365 = 229 BILLION?
Interesting math.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 21, 2018 - 10:41am PT
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Actually you can spell hypocrisy without the E.
Yawn, yeah its a mandated tax, but we DO pay it and those that don't DO benefit.
I suppose it is just too much to expect for some to quit their bitching.
Do you really want to see everything taxed?
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Mar 21, 2018 - 10:54am PT
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The reason to boycott Vista is they VOLUNTARILY make large donations to the NRA, fighting every single reasonable amount of gun regulation, and buying off politicians.
"a well regulated militia"
The profits from Giro, CamelBak, Blackburn, Bell, & CoPilot
are used used to sell more guns.
REI announced 2 weeks ago that it would hold off on ordering any more Vista products after learning that the company had no plans to address the boycott’s demands.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Mar 21, 2018 - 10:58am PT
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12.8 million x 365 = 229 BILLION?
Interesting math.
The article is incomplete, the 12 mil/day is the direct cost, the 229 billion/year is all costs, direct and indirect. Due to the ban on gun research the numbers are hard to nail down, thanks to the NRA.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 21, 2018 - 11:04am PT
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Most gun deaths are suicides.
Perhaps all the gun haters would care to fund a mental health initiative?
If all guns evaporated there would still be some serious problems.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Mar 21, 2018 - 11:39am PT
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+ murders waged by well funded gangs financed by false economies created by the failed "war on drugs".
But thinking is too hard for most. It must be the 'thing'.
REI here has always been a fleecy garment store. Mostly crap. Nothing like the one in Seattle.
Following EMS into the grave.
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couchmaster
climber
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So when does Black Diamond and Pieps get the SJW "virtue signaling Holier Than Thou" REI chop? Black Diamond is owned by holding company Clarus Corporation, which also owns Sierra Bullets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Diamond_Equipment
Earlier, REI publicly axed Vista and will no longer be selling their Giro helmets and Camelback due to Vista owning Federal Premium Ammunition. If REI wants me to choose between my beliefs and convenient overpriced outdoor goods, that's an easy choice. I won't be spending my money at REI in the future. I have dropped bunches of it in there over the years, I suspect well over 5 figures. Done.
But did they reform their ways now and are allowing Black Diamond to be sold regardless?
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goatboy smellz
climber
Gulf Breeze
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Perhaps all the gun haters would care to fund a mental health initiative?
Both sides of the debate should support mental health programs.
Conservative's love to blame crazy people for all of these school shootings but their only answer to the problem is more guns and security in the schools, never any funding for mental health care.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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That article shows a bit of a failure to understand the difference between a tax and a donation. Vista paid that money because they were taxed. It wasn't a charitable donation and there's no way to know if they would have done it independently.
REI's donations to environmental causes are exactly that. Donations.
The logic here escapes me. If I'm exempted from paying tax, and donate $1 to the government, am I paying my fair share? That's the underlying issue to the writer of the article. The gun hatred here is a given, but the issue of who pays to support outdoor recreation on public lands deserves more careful consideration. Do climbers pay our fair share, compared with hunters and anglers?
John
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Trump
climber
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If all guns evaporated there would still be some serious problems.
Exactly! If you don’t get gunned down in elementary school, you’re still gonna die sometime.
Most gun deaths are suicides.
Perhaps all the gun haters would care to fund a mental health initiative?
Yes! Let’s make it harder for mentally ill people to kill themselves by taking away their access to guns. As the parent of a mentally ill child myself, I love your compassion!
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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I dropped my 25 year membership because of this issue.
At REI, corporate will jump on board to support any social issue if they think it will increase sales.
Soulless bastards imo.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Riverkern Annex)
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+1 for anti-REI.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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No, but they get a warm feeling, sort of like wetting your pants,...
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Trump
climber
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Mentally ill people shoot themselves with guns, while the mentally healthy moral majority calls other people bedwetters for holding different beliefs than they do. We’ve all got to believe something, I guess.
“Attempting profit from promoting divisiveness seems counter to the spirit of positive social change.”
Oh sh#t, they’re on to my strategy! MAGA, bedwetters!
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