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jstan
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Mar 24, 2018 - 08:22am PT
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Mar 29, 2018 - 11:01am PT
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Dug into a new box and unearthed these.
Somevof these posted above.
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Kligfield
Mountain climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2018 - 05:51pm PT
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Randy--maybe you could enlarge and post those that are different than the ones previously displayed earlier in this thread? it looks as if you have a few lists that the rest of us may not be aware of. If so, could you identify them please. Thx.
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Alan Rubin
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Amherst,MA.
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Mar 30, 2018 - 07:22am PT
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At least some, if not all, of what Randy posted is from Shawangunk Grit--which I recall was an informally published 'interim' guidebook that circulated in a period when there was a 'gap' between the publication of the more 'official' guidebooks during which there had been considerable new route development and the freeing of prior aid routes. I forget exactly when this was, but probably between Gran's and the first Williams books.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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Mar 30, 2018 - 09:59am PT
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Sorry about the poor (and upsidedown) image (posting from your smart phone has its downsides).
Here are closer shots of the guides, which are of several types:
Picture 1.
1 & 2. Gunks Route Lists (to wit: Climbing List of the Shawangunks & Shawangunk Climb list). These are just that, couple pages of routes lists by area.
3. Pre-Gran Route guide (No Title, but is the 1964 Crowther guide more completely illustrated up-thread).
Picture 2.
4. Another Climbing List with route rating comparisons.
5. An original mimeo Comments on Gran's guide (it takes almost no time for people to chime in with corrections or differences of opinion).
6. Original Shawangunk Grit '84 (obviously of a much later vintage and contains route descriptions of (as it says) 240 newer climbs as a Supplement to the 1980 Wiliams "red" guide.
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Kligfield
Mountain climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2018 - 08:00pm PT
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Randy--this is a valuable addition. Putting together the entire thread so far, I come up with the following pre-Gran guidebook "listings:
--1960 Wiessner article in Appalachia
--1962 Dave B. Ingalls list
--1963 Gardner Perry IOCA list
--1964 Willy Crowther IOCA list
The '63 list you posted here is notable that it has most of the climbs included by Gran's 1964 guidebook. Whereas the Willy Crowther IOCA list is notable for being an early version showing line drawings.
I'm not personally familiar enough with the Gunks Grit pamphlet nor its date so maybe others can weigh in to put it in its proper historical and chronologic place.
I'm guessing that there may be others not recorded here, but it is likely that they would come from sources such as other IOCA club members, or possibly from some of the earlier Vulgarians. Certainly I imagine that McCarthy must have kept some type of list. I'll see if I can contact him and unearth something more.
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