Trump has entered the Querencia Phase of his presidency

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brotherbbock

climber
So-Cal
Apr 16, 2018 - 02:15pm PT
Why is it that Faux News doesn't want to say anything about the new Hannity news?

Every other news agency is already reporting on the story.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Apr 16, 2018 - 02:20pm PT
But, but, but what is Rush Limbaugh saying? I’m sure he can explain this all away as a liberal conspiracy to destroy ‘Merica.
NeeBraun

Trad climber
80302
Apr 16, 2018 - 02:20pm PT

hey there say, st00pid Americans... everybody knows Lou Dobbs is married to a Latina. He mentions it all the time to prove he's Not Racist and he has a penis.
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Apr 16, 2018 - 02:45pm PT
I gotta say, I'm a little obsessed with Hannity. He is a little man with a little brain who hit on an algorithm to make himself important in a really weird period in American history. I hate the little sycophant! He and his ilk are enervating America. I would love to see him go down.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Apr 16, 2018 - 02:53pm PT
Well, so much for any claim to lawyer-client privilege.

No, a formal relationship required in most jurisdictions. A confidential relationship can be formed during a conversation at a cocktail party if an attorney is not careful. No sympathy for Hannity, he deserved to be embarrassed.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Apr 16, 2018 - 02:55pm PT
Can Trump pardon himself...?
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Apr 16, 2018 - 03:29pm PT
Can a president pardon himself? Four days before Richard Nixon resigned, his own Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel opined no, citing “the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case.” We agree.

The Justice Department was right that guidance could be found in the enduring principles that no one can be both the judge and the defendant in the same matter, and that no one is above the law.

The Constitution specifically bars the president from using the pardon power to prevent his own impeachment and removal. It adds that any official removed through impeachment remains fully subject to criminal prosecution. That provision would make no sense if the president could pardon himself.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Apr 16, 2018 - 03:34pm PT
Things we've learned about Michael Cohen in the 11 days since Trump said "Ask Michael Cohen":

He's under criminal investigation;

The Feds think he has criminal evidence;

He barely practices law but does 'other things' for Trump;

He represents Sean Hannity.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2018 - 03:50pm PT
Can Trump pardon himself...?

He can't pre-emptively pardon himself. He would have to be charged and convicted before a pardon was even possible.

There is an issue over whether a sitting president can be brought before a Federal court on criminal charges. There are conflicting legal theories with that, and they've never been tested before. Trump will most likely be the first to stagger into that untested legal territory. #MAGA.

The Constitution seems to indicate that the proper procedure is to remove the president from office, and then crucify him in a criminal court of law. He would not have the power to pardon anyone, and would have the same legal status as Michael Cohen, or any other criminal.

Clearly, the president can't pardon himself if convicted in the Senate to remove him from office. So, the most direct and uncontestable procedure is to impeach him, remove him from office, and then indict and convict him.

Pence could then pardon Trump, a la Ford and Nixon. And then, Pence could be impeached and removed from office.

This Trumpian tornado of turpitude is probably going to be swirling around for a long time.









I thought the Department of Justice was leading the way.

I'm just an observer, heckling and jeering from a cheap seat in the Peanut Gallery.

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WBraun

climber
Apr 16, 2018 - 04:13pm PT
Trumpian tornado of turpitude is probably going to be swirling around for a long time

With you leading the way .....
zBrown

Ice climber
Apr 16, 2018 - 04:29pm PT



"Not the size of my hands that concerns me, it's my tiny lil brain"
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Apr 16, 2018 - 04:39pm PT
Ducks in the wind. All we are is ducks in the wind.

DanaB

climber
CO
Apr 16, 2018 - 04:48pm PT
The Constitution specifically bars the president from using the pardon power to prevent his own impeachment and removal.

Norton, I'm not arguing as I don't know, but are you sure? Earlier last year I read a book about that same issue (Author is a Constitutional scholar, can't remember his name) and if I recall, whether or not a President can pardon himself is a complex issue, open to interpretation.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Apr 16, 2018 - 04:50pm PT
Maybe by saying "excuse me" after cutting a fart but there are limits to power.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Apr 16, 2018 - 05:01pm PT
Pence could then pardon Trump, a la Ford and Nixon. And then, Pence could be impeached and removed from office.

Yeah, but the pardon is only good for Federal crimes. The Cohen stuff is State of New York.

Where's this all going? No one could have made this shite up. I hate to say it, but I was a young man when the whole Watergate circus was running. I remember sitting in front of the TV every evening as the process proceeded. I knew all the players and later became the subject of one of my book collections. This is headed the same way.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Apr 16, 2018 - 06:05pm PT
pick a target and attack them personally

that's all he has and with early dementia that's all he knows how to do nowadays
xCon

Social climber
909
Apr 16, 2018 - 06:19pm PT
a run down on who it is doesn't mind being seen smoking out with cohen this week...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/984902943064420352.html
Credit: xCon
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Apr 16, 2018 - 06:41pm PT
George from Seinfeld



Lol and no collusion.
zBrown

Ice climber
Apr 16, 2018 - 06:52pm PT
P R E V A G E N



Won't help Trump or Hannity
dirtbag

climber
Apr 16, 2018 - 06:58pm PT
Can Trump pardon himself...?

He can only pardon himself in private. There are laws against publicly pardoning himself.
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