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blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 13, 2018 - 11:49am PT
Sorta like announcing reopening of e-mail investigation days before election.

I don't care where you stand on Clinton, that's a dick move.

Only in retrospect was it a "dick move." Remember Shady Jim said the reason why he did it was because he though Hillary would in, and he thought this would bolster her presidency (and of course bolster his own performance, as it would like he was doing a thorough job).
It backfired of course, and so both Shady and Hillary are out of a job, but that doesn't change the fact that his intent was to help Hillary (and himself).
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 13, 2018 - 11:50am PT
So for the benefit of those who continue to claim that the Russia investigation is a great big witch hunt with nothing to show for its efforts, let’s remind ourselves of what it has produced to date:

Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, is currently in jail awaiting trial on multiple charges relating to his relationships with a Russian oligarch close to Putin and the former leader of Ukraine, widely considered a Putin puppet.

Trump’s deputy campaign chairman, Rick Gates, pled guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiracy to defraud the United States, and is now cooperating with Mueller.

Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials, and is now cooperating with Mueller.

A Trump foreign policy adviser, George Papadopoulos, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with various Kremlin-connected figures and is now cooperating with Mueller.

Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian associate of Manafort, was indicted on obstruction of justice charges.

Richard Pinedo pled guilty to identity fraud for selling stolen identities to Russians connected to the Mueller probe.

Alex Van Der Zwaan, a Dutch banker and son-in-law of a Russian oligarch, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his work with Manafort and Gates, and was jailed briefly and then deported.

Thirteen individuals and three companies were indicted for their participation in a Russian scheme to conduct “information warfare” during the 2016 election in order to push voters away from Clinton and toward Trump, as well as undermining trust in the electoral system more generally.

And now, eleven Russian military officials have been indicted for hacking into the email systems of the Democratic National Committee and various people connected to Hillary Clinton, including her campaign chairman, then disseminating the materials in carefully timed releases meant to maximize the political damage to Clinton. One of those 11, plus another Russian official, have also been indicted for hacking into the systems of state election agencies

Which charges prove (or even imply) the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?
dirtbag

climber
Jul 13, 2018 - 11:54am PT
How about this Rosenstein press conference a couple hours ago. He gets up and announces freebie indictments of twelve Russians, indictments he'll never prosecute or have to defend. This at the exact moment when Trump is meeting the Queen of England and three days before his meeting with Putin.

Would there ever be a good time to make such an announcement?

You can almost always find such and such event, or meeting with so and so on his calendar, as a reason not to make such an announcement.

And no it does not compare with the announcement by Comey about hillary days before the election, and against bureau policy.
ATG

Big Wall climber
Santee, CA
Jul 13, 2018 - 11:58am PT
The timing is to create a scenario where Trump has an excuse and demand to give Putin a hard time.

I'll say this; Trump trolls people hard. His comments about meeting Putin where he said he met him two and a half times were hilarious.
xCon

Social climber
909
Jul 13, 2018 - 12:01pm PT
" the reason why he did it was because he though Hillary would win"


this really is about the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard.

so they announce their still investigating her cuz she surely going to win and they don't announce their investigating trump cuz they don't want him to win

when you notice these points "making sense" for people look real quick and youll see their eyes have rolled back in their head...

heh,

dirtbag

climber
Jul 13, 2018 - 12:17pm PT
Yep^^^
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Jul 13, 2018 - 12:59pm PT
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dirtbag

climber
Jul 13, 2018 - 01:06pm PT
Lock her up!

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jul 13, 2018 - 01:12pm PT
Yep.
And throw away the key.
ground chuck

Ice climber
Olympia
Jul 13, 2018 - 01:49pm PT
welcome to the UK!



Credit: ground chuck




"Stupid, callous, fragile, racist, narcissistic POTUS," declared one man's sign. The play on words from a "Mary Poppins" song was one of the less profane declarations of dissent. Another placard read: "Don't worry! This protest is just fake news!"
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2018 - 02:04pm PT
Which charges prove (or even imply) the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?

Again, (YAWN) the investigation is still in progress. Further indictments and charges will be forthcoming in the future, at an appropriate time. The argument that "it has not happened yet, so it will never happen" is absurd, ludicrous, childish, and exactly what Trump wants his supporters to believe.


The only charges so far are for people who have pled guilty to lesser crimes, such as lying to investigators. Michael Flynn, for example, pled guilty to lying, because he (and his son, apparently) were facing much more serious charges. A plea bargain, by definition, allows someone to plead guilty to a lesser crime, and avoid more severe prosecution before a jury. Those guilty pleas have been announced publicly, but not what the guilty are prepared to testify in a court of law against co-conspirators.


Indictments against Russians, which are unlikely to result in any prosecution, will result in their never being able to enter the United States without risking arrest. The same situation exists for the movie director Roman Polanski, who had to stay at home when his film The Pianist won the Academy Award for Best Picture.








Trump said, "I think they like me a lot in the U.K."


Think again, Baby Man. That delusional statement is immediately refuted, and proven to be false, by extensive photographic evidence to the contrary.

Reality - 1
Trump - 0


London, July 13, 2018
London, July 13, 2018
Credit: Tom

London, July 13, 2018
London, July 13, 2018
Credit: Tom

London, July 13, 2018
London, July 13, 2018
Credit: Tom

London, July 13, 2018
London, July 13, 2018
Credit: Tom

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London, July 13, 2018
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divad

Trad climber
wmass
Jul 13, 2018 - 02:12pm PT
Freedom of the Press, 2018..

trump refuses a question from CNN, calling it fake news, then takes one from Fox News.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 13, 2018 - 02:16pm PT
I'd like to know why the gov is wasting time with phony "indictments" against Russians when there are real criminals like Stormy Daniels out there on the loose in flagrant violation of all sorts of laws.
divad

Trad climber
wmass
Jul 13, 2018 - 02:22pm PT
Yes, Stormy is such a threat to our national security.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Jul 13, 2018 - 02:36pm PT
I just read the indictment. It's available here and well worth a read.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/80-netyksho-et-al-indictment/ba0521c1eef869deecbe/optimized/full.pdf?action=click&module=Intentional&pgtype=Article

Mueller and company have a LOT of information, computer records, money transfers, etc. etc. and I suspect they pretty much know everything Trump et al did. This is going to get really serious really soon. Rosenstein said Trump was told about the indictment a week or so ago.

Yes, the Russians won't ever face trial, but this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Pennsylenvy

Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
Jul 13, 2018 - 02:48pm PT
blahblah,


"I'd like to know why the gov is wasting time with phony "indictments" against Russians when there are real criminals like Stormy Daniels out there on the loose in flagrant violation of all sorts of laws. "


You aren't one of those folks whom want to make it illegal for me to bust a nut outside of wedlock are you ?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 13, 2018 - 03:01pm PT
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA

Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2018 - 02:04pm PT
Which charges prove (or even imply) the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?

Again, (YAWN) the investigation is still in progress. Further indictments and charges will be forthcoming in the future, at an appropriate time. The argument that "it has not happened yet, so it will never happen" is absurd, ludicrous, childish, and exactly what Trump wants his supporters to believe.


The only charges so far are for people who have pled guilty to lesser crimes, such as lying to investigators. Michael Flynn, for example, pled guilty to lying, because he (and his son, apparently) were facing much more serious charges. A plea bargain, by definition, allows someone to plead guilty to a lesser crime, and avoid more severe prosecution before a jury. Those guilty pleas have been announced publicly, but not what the guilty are prepared to testify in a court of law against co-conspirators.

Indictments against Russians, which are unlikely to result in any prosecution, will result in their never being able to enter the United States without risking arrest. The same situation exists for the movie director Roman Polanski, who had to stay at home when his film The Pianist won the Academy Award for Best Picture.

Translation - NONE
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Jul 13, 2018 - 03:02pm PT
Which charges prove (or even imply) the Trump campaign colluded with Russia?

sigh, we have been over this so many times already.....do you not read anything?


*Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, is currently in jail awaiting trial on multiple charges relating to his relationships with a Russian oligarch close to Putin and the former leader of Ukraine, widely considered a Putin puppet.

Trump’s deputy campaign chairman, Rick Gates, pled guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiracy to defraud the United States, and is now cooperating with Mueller.

Trump’s first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials, and is now cooperating with Mueller.

A Trump foreign policy adviser, George Papadopoulos, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with various Kremlin-connected figures and is now cooperating with Mueller.

Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian associate of Manafort, was indicted on obstruction of justice charges.

**Richard Pinedo pled guilty to identity fraud for selling stolen identities to Russians connected to the Mueller probe.((

Alex Van Der Zwaan, a Dutch banker and son-in-law of a Russian oligarch, pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his work with Manafort and Gates, and was jailed briefly and then deported.

Thirteen individuals and three companies were indicted for their participation in a Russian scheme to conduct “information warfare” during the 2016 election in order to push voters away from Clinton and toward Trump, as well as undermining trust in the electoral system more generally.**


And now, eleven Russian military officials have been indicted for hacking into the email systems of the Democratic National Committee and various people connected to Hillary Clinton, including her campaign chairman, then disseminating the materials in carefully timed releases meant to maximize the political damage to Clinton. One of those 11, plus another Russian official, have also been indicted for hacking into the systems of state election agencies
eeyonkee

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Jul 13, 2018 - 03:22pm PT
Nice synopsis, Norton! I'd been behind. I'll be dag-nabbed why an American would support Trump. I'm not so much outraged as flummoxed.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2018 - 03:25pm PT
TEdward is correct.

The total number of indictments and charges alleging that Trump or his staff conspired with Russians to defraud the United States in the 2016 election is NONE.



The total number of manned rocket flights by SpaceX is NONE.

The total number of calendars printed for 2025 is NONE.

The total number of hours that have passed since sunrise on July 15, 2018 is NONE.

The number of posts, in this topic, that are numbered higher than 4250 is NONE.


NONE.

But, not done.
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