Trump has entered the Querencia Phase of his presidency

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Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2018 - 09:24pm PT
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Norton suggested that both people put the cash up, now, to be held by a third party who can be trusted.

A contract just gives someone legal standing to sue another person, and can be basically worthless if the intent is to defraud. Even if you win a lawsuit, and obtain a judgement, there is the entirely separate issue of collecting the money.

It would be ironic if a wager on the 2020 election resulted in someone welshing, in the manner that Trump has repeatedly done over the years.


A bank manager might be able to set up an escrow account to hold the funds.









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Why would a wager between two people be an illegal bet?
Would it be classified the same way as a craps game, or a slot machine?




EDIT: Apparently, it is illegal for two people to wager on an uncertain event. I suspect it is one of the most frequently violated laws in America.

If the wagering contract was structured, instead, as an insurance contract, then it can be a valid, enforceable contract. The bank would agree to hold the funds, pending a payment to indemnify a sufferer of an insured casualty.

The insured interest would have to be structured in an unusual manner.

For example, the person betting on Trump could be paid to offset potentially catastrophic destruction of their personal property, in the event he wins in 2020. And, vice versa, for the person betting against Trump.


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Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 19, 2018 - 09:29pm PT
No way a bank will get involved with that. A contract to bet is illegal and illegal contracts can not be enforced in the courts. A trusted third party might be best, Neebraun? hahaha.
10b4me

Social climber
Lida Junction
Jul 19, 2018 - 09:34pm PT
Putin should become POTUS.

But Werner, Putin would shut down YOSAR.

If Trump wins

hey window washer, you don't seem so sure.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 19, 2018 - 09:44pm PT
I wouldn't take that bet. The percentage of Republicans who still support Trump--despite EVERY outright lie, empty promise, window dressing executive act, racist comment and outright hostility to our system of government and democratic values--is appalling. They have made such false bogeymen of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and the poor Mexican working some crap job for $8 an hour that they'd cheerily rather support a clueless demagogue than expect him to act competently or, now, act in support of their own country. The Trump presidency confirms that Republicans have no moral or political values. They just want to be in charge, country be damned.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2018 - 10:03pm PT
I wouldn't take that bet.

With Putin having skin in the American election game, there are too many additional variables, and too many potential scenarios that have never been seen in America before.

Whatever was normal for presidential elections in the past will no longer be relevant if Putin and Trump remain conjoined, pubis to coccyx.

Unless Dr. Mueller can separate the Siamese twins, the 2020 election will go to Trump.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jul 19, 2018 - 10:13pm PT
Oh my goodness there goes norton waving his political wager c*#k again.

An election must be coming up. Soon, The HappiGirl Van Migration will be commencing too.

Ah the seasons....

DMT
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jul 19, 2018 - 10:20pm PT
Tom, my assessment was not based on other efforts to rig the system, like gerrymandering, Faux News and internet trolling (which the Russian hackers admitted was not gobbled up by Democrats), though those are clearly factors. It was based on the wilful resistance of the Republicans to see or acknowledge basic facts, or to understand, let alone care about the negative impact that Trump is having on things once taken for granted: a free press, an independent judiciary, etc., etc. But then the Germans loved Hitler too.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2018 - 11:46pm PT
Forget giving the Young Conniving Attorney 25%.

Both parties arrive at a bank, and open a safe-deposit box that requires both of them to be there in order to open it. The $10k goes inside the box.

After the election, they both go back to the bank, shake hands, and somebody walks off with the cash.


The potential downside is that the loser could, in spite, refuse to show up, so that the cash languishes, unrecoverable, in the box until it is taken by the State as being abandoned.

There has to be some degree of trust in any human interaction.


And, that is exactly why Donald Trump is so repellent - he can't be trusted, at all.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 20, 2018 - 01:42am PT
What are the odds of Trump fulfilling his campaign promise of great cheap medical insurance for everyone? First term or second term?

BwaHaHa! Sitting in the ER in Stockholm (not for me, sorry).
The bill is SEK 3500/ $392!
They’re joking, right? Don’t they know they’re leaving money on the table?
And awesome free Wifi!
ground chuck

Ice climber
Olympia
Jul 20, 2018 - 01:58am PT
things are getting weird in Indial also,

"India has been beset by a wave of gruesome lynchings. And at the epicenter of the country’s violent upheaval is the indolent cow. Emboldened by an ascendant Hindu nationalist movement, coupled with a controversial government ban on cattle slaughter, so-called cow-vigilante groups have been carrying out a ruthless form of mob justice, summarily executing those suspected of killing, trading, or consuming beef. India’s embattled minorities, particularly Muslims, have borne the brunt of the violence, confirming the worst suspicions about what Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his brand of Hindu chauvinism would unleash on the country.

The atrocities have steadily been mounting. In September 2015, Mohammad Akhlaq was hanged over rumors that he killed a cow and refrigerated its meat. A month later, 16-year-old Zahid Rasool Bhaat was slain by vigilante groups. In March of this year, suspected cattle traders Muhammed Majloom and Azad Khan were lynched. In April, 55-year old dairy farmer Pehlu Khan was accused of smuggling cows and was brutally beaten to death. In May, traders were assaulted for alleged beef storage, and Abu Hanifa and Riazuddin Ali were killed for purportedly stealing cattle. In June, Ainul Ansari was attacked on suspicion of transporting beef, while 15-year-old Junaid Khan was stabbed to death by a mob after being branded a beef eater.

Since September of last year, there have been more than a dozen lynchings across the country. Modi, who was feted by Donald Trump at the White House in June, has been ominously quiet on the issue. "

The Summer of Love happened fifty years ago, look where we are now, holy crap, I would not want to smoke a joint or take a trip with rump or any of his rump lickers, that's for dang sure. that would be one bad trip, man.

Putin and Rump will probably have their get together at rump tower, off course. that way the rumpster can make a buck off the deal, like when he used his buddy's resort for the korean thing, you know he got kickbacks for that,
rump tower, that's where all the collusion meetings take place, so jus sayin, wtf?


Credit: ground chuck



Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Jul 20, 2018 - 03:44am PT
I was just reading some of my remarks about some of you people. I do apologise, some of what I had to say was uncalled for. I usually do not go in for ad hominem attacks. I certainly didn't cover myself in glory.
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jul 20, 2018 - 06:36am PT
BwaHaHa! Sitting in the ER in Stockholm (not for me, sorry).
The bill is SEK 3500/ $392!
They’re joking, right? Don’t they know they’re leaving money on the table?
And awesome free Wifi!

Fusilli Jerry?

Million to one shot doc, million to one.


DMT

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 20, 2018 - 06:45am PT
Yeah, braj, almost slipped a disc laughing when I saw the bill! Wanna know the best part?

“You can pay us online when you get home.”

😳 BwaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 20, 2018 - 06:47am PT

BwaHaHa! Sitting in the ER in Stockholm (not for me, sorry).
The bill is SEK 3500/ $392!
They’re joking, right? Don’t they know they’re leaving money on the table?
And awesome free Wifi!

Socialism sucks. doesn't it?
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jul 20, 2018 - 06:49am PT
Sweden is awesome.

DMT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 20, 2018 - 06:50am PT
Really! It ain’t right that a nice dinner only costs as much as an ER visit!

And check out what the socialists are driving!
McLarens now, not Volvos?
McLarens now, not Volvos?
Credit: Reilly
Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jul 20, 2018 - 06:56am PT
It's a helluva thing ain't it? To pay for a dinner produced from Living Wages?

DMT
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Jul 20, 2018 - 07:11am PT
Yesterday Republicans quietly voted down increased funding for electoral cyber security for States.

Meanwhile they work their asses off to get legitimate voters off the rolls and create hurdles for minority and financially challenged voters.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jul 20, 2018 - 07:55am PT
392 for dinner,man.

That is some rugged individualism,right there.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Jul 20, 2018 - 09:02am PT
All over cable news now

FBI has an audio tape of Trump and his fixer lawyer Cohen talking about a payment to a Playboy bunny to shut her up

the party of Family Values strikes again
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