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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 11, 2018 - 09:33pm PT
ATG....Don't use Trump's name in vane...
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 11, 2018 - 09:41pm PT
Say hey Fritz

We learned quickly in SF that it was bettter to take all your "stuff" out de car and leave it unlocked, saves you a lot of money on broken windows.

That said, depending upon which model you drive, it's now oftentimes the car, not the stuff

I have a "locater" in Mine

Have never had to use it in twenty years

Still, horse theives should be hung

Right

There's one playing out the rope as we read

ATG

Big Wall climber
Santee, CA
Jul 11, 2018 - 09:41pm PT
Sit on this one
Sit on this one
Credit: ATG
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Jul 11, 2018 - 09:46pm PT
ATG...My fave , the putinator...
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Jul 11, 2018 - 09:51pm PT
Tom,

The Maquiadora Program was an economic conceit that allowed for the construction of big box buildings just under the border, designed to accept northern, North American industrial infrastructure.

The purpose was to take advantage of lower wages and "relaxed" environmental oversight in Mexico at a cost to more highly paid workers in the USA and Canada. A lot of machinery and jobs moved south in order to make money and shut up people bitching about the expensive products produced domestically, by lowering the price.

By the way, the Maquiadora translation from Portuguese to English is, Make up Artist. It sounds good but is neither Spanish or English.

zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 11, 2018 - 09:59pm PT
Ya ever met somebody who works there?

They're not all this pretty

http://universodamaquiagem.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/maquiadora-a-domicilio-curitiba.jpg

http://jornadabc.mx/sites/default/files/styles/660x440/public/images/maquila.png?itok=w6R-jHL-

http://maquiladoras-educateyourself.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/0/0/37006633/9457489_orig.png


Housing conditions for maquiladora workers are anything but desirable. Most maquiladora workers are extremely poor, single mothers, or immigrants from other parts of Latin America who cannot afford housing on their maquila salary. The colonias where most of these workers live are located near the Maquiladoras where they work. Housing for these workers tends to be shacks built by them on land that is unclaimed, making for unpredictable living conditions and vulnerability to sudden expulsion. The shacks where most workers live tend to be made from leftover maquiladora materials, and are surrounded by mud, contaminated rivers, and highly polluted/ toxic air.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Jul 11, 2018 - 10:08pm PT
Oh, before zBrown decides to bomb this thread with videos of people dancing the Charleston and balancing dinner plates on their nose, there was a time in the past when people in the USA and Canada took care of their livelihood in order to pay the bills.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
Jul 11, 2018 - 10:10pm PT
Many of you, and pretty much all in the current USA administration, should read some of Admiral Alfred Thayer Mahan's works, such as "The Influence of Sea Power on History".

He is still considered a leading geo-strategist.

In global terms, Eurasia is the "World Island". Whoever controls the World Island controls the world. Hence (belated) opposition to Nazi Germany, and steadfast opposition to the Soviet Union after 1948, when it rejected participation in the Marshall Plan and took over Czechoslovakia. The USA can't afford to allow any one power - Russia, or now the greater threat of China with its "One Road" imperial initiative - to dominate Eurasia. It's that simple. NATO was originally defensive in origin, for a much weakened Europe, but as Dingus says has morphed into a tool of US imperial ambition, to help prevent anyone else from controlling Eurasia.

The US had about 50% of world GDP in 1945. It's down to about 25%, and steadily declining. A trade war against opponents who clearly have their eye on the main chance ain't going to fix that.

Much the same as the Middle East - the goal of the US there, whatever the fantasies of the religious right, is to ensure that no one power (Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia) dominates that region. Divide and rule.

Meanwhile halfwit Trump and his abettors are attacking the world economy, attacking NATO and his country's most steadfast allies, and sucking up to Putin. Who is no doubt looking forward to playing Trump for the fool that he is, although he's smart enough to throw Trumpie some trinkets.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 11, 2018 - 10:23pm PT
Weird stuff Brennan

Apparently drugs are legal to some extent in Canada

Watch out for that Jimson Weed

Makes you think things that not even a parakeet can understand

Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2018 - 11:15pm PT
Jim,

I can appreciate that the U.S. companies needed some incentives (low wages, lax oversight) to risk operating in Mexico. The maquiladora program was not a perfect solution, but did provide some benefit to Mexico. It was not only for the benefit of American companies. It could have been structured more in favor of Mexico and the workers.









The White House Press Office is insane.

Trump's behavior at a NATO breakfast meeting caused his staff, such as John Kelly, to wince, grimace, turn away, and appear to be embarrassed by Trump's boorish performance.

In a statement to The Post, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said, "[Kelly] was displeased because he was expecting a full breakfast and there were only pastries and cheese."


Sanders is insane. The plates were clean and empty. No food had been served at the time of Kelly's now-famous reaction to Trump's diatribe against Germany. One NATO official had not even taken their folded napkin off their plate.


Trump is a diplomat in the manner that Dr. Evil as a criminal mastermind.


ground chuck

Ice climber
Olympia
Jul 12, 2018 - 01:12am PT
let's get real here. rump ain't worried about immigration. he is more concerned with appeasing the teabaggers who vote for him so he can get another term, so they can cheer him when he shows up at rallies. he is more worried about expressing his hate for mankind in general.

look at california. immigration has been going down for some time now>

Credit: ground chuck

why not get it down to zero? well, lets have a look>

Credit: ground chuck

yeah, but why not get get some lazy, overweight, druggie white boys to do the work, right?
wrong. couldn't handle it. farms would go broke if they hired the people who speak out against immigration. and who wants to get cancer from pesticides? no, the US would starve to death. so the next time you are pigging out on a chicken ceaser salad at the Tea Bag Cafe and bad mouthing immigrants, you might want to take another look at who you are judging. most of the workers come here to support their starving families back home. they send all their money home instead of spending it on booze and drugs like their american counterparts. they are loyal, hardworking, religious, law abiding people who are helping this country out in a big way. i don't see one punk-azz rump licker in any of these pics, so what's up with that with your judgmental ignoramus ways? let's see you risk getting thrown in jail or getting left in the back of a truck out in the desert and left for dead just so you can take care of your kids. shame on the racist pigs who continue to support rump. may you choke on an artichoke.

Credit: ground chuck









Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Jul 12, 2018 - 06:32am PT
The Maquiadora Program was an economic conceit that allowed for the construction of big box buildings just under the border, designed to accept northern, North American industrial infrastructure.

The purpose was to take advantage of lower wages and "relaxed" environmental oversight in Mexico at a cost to more highly paid workers in the USA and Canada. A lot of machinery and jobs moved south in order to make money and shut up people bitching about the expensive products produced domestically, by lowering the price.

I can appreciate that the U.S. companies needed some incentives (low wages, lax oversight) to risk operating in Mexico. The maquiladora program was not a perfect solution, but did provide some benefit to Mexico. It was not only for the benefit of American companies. It could have been structured more in favor of Mexico and the workers.

It's nice to see some good dialogue from differing perspectives.

Having worked quite a bit in tech sector in Mexico under NAFTA rules, while at once being very familiar with the ag-industry practices of California, I have seen some of the results myself and have talked to many others about their POV.

Feet on the ground, I'll use Guadalajara as an example, that ancient city of Mexico (older than any American city by a good ways).... if you visit the industrial sections of the city you will see big box factories from one U.S. tech company after another. These are production facilities not offices. They are staffed by both blue collar and middle class tech sector Mexicans. Modern looking suburbs have sprung up all around Guadalajara. They drive nice cars, some if which were made right there in Mexico. They live in nice homes. They are nice people, too, and amazingly hard workers to boot.

The ag workers that flood into not just California but pretty much every corner of the U.S. at this point, are also extremely hard workers. They just want to make a living and do what is best to raise the standard of living for themselves but really, for their families. They make great sacrifices and take big risks for those families, and they wear the weight of the world on their strong shoulders. I salute them, proud people.

I had an interesting talk with a friendly CEO of a company for which I did some work. He had a very interesting perspective on NAFTA. His business is a family owned conglomerate. They got started in textiles back in the middle of the last century, having emigrated their trade from under the shadow of Nazi Germany. Mexico welcomed them. That textile business thrives to this day, as a result. The family also branched into real estate development and some of the tallest buildings on the Mexico City skyline were built by them.

This CEO, David, runs the family business. An engineer by training, the guy is of course super smart, a hands-on CEO, elbow deep in all the business doings.

He opined that the biggest benefit to Mexico from the NAFTA agreement was not the literal flood of industrial jobs that migrated south from America (an undeniable result of NAFTA, many American companies laid off American workers, closed plants and moved production to places like Guadalajara).

He maintains that the influx of American investment capital is forcing the Mexico business environment to both modernize and to shed some of it's legendary corruption. He told me directly once, openly, that his biggest concern, the thing that keeps him awake at night, with respect to his business, is that corruption. NAFTA served, in his opinion, to bring U.S. publicly traded accounting rules to Mexico and that fact alone has served to shed some of that legendary corruption, a practice so old that the entire culture is used to and had been accepting of bribery from bottom to top.

It's that corruption that allows the narcotrafficos their astounding foothold there. To David's thinking it's that culture of corruption that is the root of most all of Modern Mexico's ills. He fears that by reigning back NAFTA Mexico will lose momentum in it's struggle to change.

Incidentally, David's various businesses do very little cross-border trade. His is a Mexican business, his products are made there and they are sold there. A pretty cool guy and I was very fortunate to have met him and to some extent get to know his mind.

Anyway, back to NAFTA, there is no doubt that a great flood of American jobs moved south and that movement caused unemployment in the U.S. - Hershey PA is a perfect example of this. There is no doubt.

A last comment about tariffs, trade wars and such - I see consistently on the news that folks speak about rising prices as an inevitable by-product of trade wars and about whether or not Americans are yet 'feeling the pain' of those rising prices.

That characterization troubles me. The purpose of tariffs and other protections, the very reason they are put in place, is to RAISE PRICES.

That is what tariffs do. It is not a by-product. Of course prices are going to go up. The idea is to raise prices back to the point where on-shore production is once again economical.

Now yall can argue the benefits, or lack of, and the potential for this production, all you wish. I see merits in many POVs both for and against. But please don't mischaracterize 'rising prices' as a by-product of tariffs.

And one other point


farms would go broke if they hired the people who speak out against immigration. and who wants to get cancer from pesticides? no, the US would starve to death.

No the US will not starve to death. But food prices will go up. As with tariffs, a higher priced labor will have an inflationary effect. But since low ag prices have been achieved as a result of illegal activity on the part of the ag industry, most all of us are part and parcel to a gigantic criminal conspiracy, not really all that different than buying cigarettes out of the back of a stolen truck in Brooklyn back in the Godfather days.

Bitching that food prices will go up if illegal labor is reduced is a pretty laughable complaint. If you want to starve to death, fine. Don't eat.

Cheers
DMT
frostback

Social climber
great white north
Jul 12, 2018 - 07:11am PT
Good synopsis and recommendation Anders
thanks
xCon

Social climber
909
Jul 12, 2018 - 08:01am PT
feds dabs the kids
then tells the parents " their right here, all you need to do is pass a DNA test and their yours..."

all they need to do is pay the 800 bucks for the test...


https://www.thedailybeast.com/government-told-immigrant-parents-to-pay-for-dna-tests-to-be-reunited-with-kids-advocate


Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 12, 2018 - 08:02am PT
Credit: Wade Icey
xCon

Social climber
909
Jul 12, 2018 - 08:09am PT
More than 8,000 Muslim men and boys were killed in the worst atrocity on European soil since World War II.

However, when the members realised that the exhibition focuses on the steps that lead to genocide instead of the genocide's consequences and reconciliation they decided to cancel the event just a few days before it was supposed to start

"ask where are the poor and they call you a saint,
ask why they are poor and they call you a communist"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2018/07/11-lessons-srebrenica-genocide-unwelcome-brussels-180711151335396.html
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jul 12, 2018 - 08:35am PT
LOL Wade.

That's hysterical.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jul 12, 2018 - 09:21am PT
just the facts ma'am

“That's other people that do that," Trump replied. "I don't. I'm very consistent. I'm a very stable genius.”

and can float in toilet bowl and sting like a b

Meanwhile, in the heartland

I went back to Ohio
But my pretty countryside
Had been paved down the middle
By a government that had no pride
The farms of Ohio
Had been replaced by shopping malls
And Muzak filled the air
From Seneca to Cuyahoga Falls
Said, ay, oh, way to go, Ohio
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Jul 12, 2018 - 11:11am PT
"ask where are the poor and they call you a saint,
ask why they are poor and they call you a communist"

I like this quote a lot.

And that trump toilet scrubber is awesome! I tried to buy one on etsy but I think they sold out (all payment methods are not available right now).
xCon

Social climber
909
Jul 12, 2018 - 11:34am PT
“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.”

― Hélder Câmara, Dom Helder Camara: Essential Writings
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