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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2018 - 12:22pm PT
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Trump wants a do-over with Putin.
President Mulligan is about three levels lower than a President Gilligan.
Trump and Putin are on the same page. They both want to engage in the Mueller investigation into their conspiracy to defraud the United States. In other words, the two prime suspects in a criminal investigation want to assist with investigating themselves.
Trump says he will testify, but only if all of Mueller's evidence is given to his attorneys.
Putin says he will make his 12 indicted KGB/FSB agents available to Mueller, if the U.S. will extradite a former ambassador to Russia, so that the KGB/FSB can accuse him of fraud and corruption. Trump said that Putin's absurd gambit was "an incredible offer".
in·cred·i·ble
adjective: incredible
1.
impossible to believe.
synonyms: dubious, ludicrous
Despite Trump's best efforts, he managed to make a truthful statement that time. Putin's offer is dubious and ludicrous.
Trump doesn't know that "incredible" means "not credible". He thinks it means "wonderful", or "great".
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jul 19, 2018 - 12:27pm PT
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Are you sure you wouldn’t.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Jul 19, 2018 - 12:30pm PT
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Which on is an American? Patriot? Or does everyone hate and name call each other?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jul 19, 2018 - 12:48pm PT
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Anyone want to put their money where their mouth is?
I will put up my money to say that Donald Trump does not win the Presidential election in 2020.
Anyone willing to bet that he does, how about you PUD, or Blah Blah, or Cosmc, etc?
You have to be feeling really good about all the wonderful things Donald has been doing for America, right? How loved and respected he is! How any Democrat would lose to his greatness !
How about $5000?
Norton weren't you trying to find people to bet on the last election? You were so, so sure Trump would lose, lol!
I suppose some people never learn (I can understand that, we all have our blind spots).
Anyway, why don't you tell us what Democrat you think will win and maybe we bet on that? Maybe you like Biden (that would be one of the all time great elections for humor value at least--two elderly windbags talking about how they would beat each other in a fistfight).
(You might think Biden would have a leg up in a fistfight as Biden was a college football player, right? Wrong, he lied is ass off about playing college football, pretty much like everything else in his life. Guy makes Trump seem eligible for some sort of a most truthful politician award. I think Trump would take Biden in a fight--he's larger, younger, and has a far more distinguished athletic pedigree.)
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jul 19, 2018 - 12:52pm PT
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I would never trust a Libtard to pay off a bet.
If there were to be some such bet, both bettors could deposit the funds into a financial instrument that was accessible only by an intermediary party of high moral standing(well, not so high that they'd be unwilling to get involved with such shenanigans). Someone like Micronut. Or Lynne Lightfuss.
That would take the lack of trust out of the equation, for one thing. But I don't believe Cosmic's comment has anything to do with trust or mistrust, but his own growing awareness that what people have been saying about Trump is, unfortunately, true.
As for myself - I am willing to bet that DT himself is on the list of people duped by Mariia Butina, and that at some point before this is all over, it comes out as some kind of evidence or testimony related to the collusion investigation. My bet would have to be a lot smaller than 5K though.
edit: I didn't mean to imply the two mentioned did NOT have high moral standards!!! I just meant that they might not see facilitating a wager as something immoral. They may very well feel that way. I just used them as an example of someone most everyone here would agree would not take the cash, and then abscond with the funds, fall off the face of Supertopo, and then deny that the new name they were using was not them.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jul 19, 2018 - 12:54pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But, it always seems that stories like these don't involve libtards. They always involve Trumplicans:
Oklahoma family made teenager live in a barn with animals, living off twigs and grass. Four relatives were arrested after Child Protective Services found the starving teenager, 80 pounds, only a few days away from death.
https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/nation-world/national/article215162775.html#storylink=latest_side
Tom you are sick in the head if you think the criminals in that story are somehow representative of "Trumplicans" (of which I am not one), you really should get help.
There is nothing in that story about Trump--are you making an assumption they support Trump just because they're rural?
If so, do you make the same assumption about everyone in the inner city supporting Obama? And do you think we'd have a hard time finding plenty of equally sick stories committed by residents of the inner cities?
If there were to be some such bet, both bettors could deposit the funds into a financial instrument that was accessible only by an intermediary party of high moral standing(well, not so high that they'd be unwilling to get involved with such shenanigans). Someone like Micronut. Or Lynne Lightfuss.
That would take the lack of trust out of the equation, for one thing. But I don't believe Cosmic's comment has anything to do with trust or mistrust, but his own growing awareness that what people have been saying about Trump is, unfortunately, true.
As for myself - I am willing to bet that DT himself is on the list of people duped by Mariia Butina, and that at some point before this is all over, it comes out as some kind of evidence or testimony related to the collusion investigation. My bet would have to be a lot smaller than 5K though.
If you mean escrow, just say escrow. You don't need to give a long winded ramble about it.
The Butina story seems like a bunch of BS to me--she seems like a nice young lady who somehow got caught up a technical violation of laws (which probably shouldn't even exist and seem like they may be unconstitutional).
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Jul 19, 2018 - 12:54pm PT
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LOLOL
I would never trust a Libtard to pay off a bet.
Nobody was willing to put up money to bet me in last election
that's ok, I made money on Intrade and BetFair
but to the upcoming 2020 election !
I will put $5000 in an account to be held in the reputable name of someone on this forum we both agree to trust to disperse the funds after the election
now, chicken littles, put up or shut up, who will match it?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jul 19, 2018 - 12:59pm PT
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Nobody was willing to put up money to bet me in last election
that's ok, I made money on Intrade and BetFair
but to the upcoming 2020 election !
I will put $5000 in an account to be held in the reputable name of someone on this forum we both agree to trust to disperse the funds after the election
Norton and Happie--the word is escrow, learn it please.
And Norton, you seem to be losing it, remember you desperately were trying to bet against Trump last election--please do tell how you made money betting against Trump?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Jul 19, 2018 - 01:06pm PT
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Blahblah - Thank you for advising on the technical word.
However, you didn't have to be a jerk about it.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Jul 19, 2018 - 01:35pm PT
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Trump is a political genius and perhaps the greatest leader we have had in two hundred years.
Ok, I'll assume that is just a troll, because nobody could be that fuking stoopid. That statement has gotten me to wonder, however, what are the qualities that make a president great. I know that the bar has been lowered, but it seems that not being Hillary is enough for many stoopid Americans these days.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Jul 19, 2018 - 01:37pm PT
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.....if the U.S. will extradite a former ambassador to Russia ..... Man, if I were Michael McFaul, the man in question, I'd sure as hell say nope, ain't goin'. How could he be forced to travel to Russia and cooperate with the KGB? Isn't there something called habeas corpus? Or can the President just order citizens to do whatever he wants? What say you, Republican law and order people? Are you offended by the suggestion? Strange times and they will probably get stranger.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2018 - 02:49pm PT
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Oklahoma, especially rural Oklahoma, voted strongly for Trump. Statistically speaking, the four people arrested for making their teenager live in a barn are Trump supporters. Also, nobody who voted for Hillary would behave that way. It's too far to the right, politically and religiously. Only self-righteous zealots treat other people like animals.
Libtards, by definition, care about other people. That's why Trumplicans hate them so much: they're not just in it for themselves, which makes those who are look like selfish pigs by comparison.
Or can the President just order citizens to do whatever he wants?
The United States does not have an extradition treaty with Russia. Russia has said that it will not extradite its citizens to be prosecuted in foreign countries.
Trump could very well seek to rendition the ambassador to Russia, as a present for Putin. He wouldn't have any legal standing to do that, but Trump consistently ignores and violates laws that most people would take as basic and necessary for society.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Jul 19, 2018 - 02:58pm PT
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trump can't touch the antoinnette take back: "wait! ... DON'T let them eat cake"
 d. korn misqoute
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jul 19, 2018 - 02:59pm PT
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Oklahoma, especially rural Oklahoma, voted strongly for Trump. Statistically speaking, the four people arrested for making their teenager live in a barn are Trump supporters. Also, nobody who voted for Hillary would behave that way. It's too far to the right, politically and religiously, to treat other people like animals.
Libtards, by definition, care about other people.
Or can the President just order citizens to do whatever he wants?
The United States does not have an extradition treaty with Russia. Russia has said that it will not extradite its citizens to be prosecuted in foreign countries.
Trump could very well seek to rendition the ambassador to Russia, as a present for Putin. He wouldn't have any legal standing to to that, but Trump consistently ignores and violates laws that most people would take as basic and necessary for society.
So you have a statistical argument that the criminals were Trump supporters, but you apparently reject the corollary that inner city residents are Hillary supporters, or that any inner city resident would commit a similar crime.
Seems like your libtard "logic" is working perfectly.
As to how we can get the ambassador to Russia--how about we just tell Russian agents that we won't do anything at all to stop them from abducting the ambassador and transporting him to Russia?
We know from Obama's reign that it's perfectly fine for the president to just stop enforcing laws when it fits his whim, so I guess Trump can do that too?
Blahblah - Thank you for advising on the technical word.
However, you didn't have to be a jerk about it.
Sorry I just have a limited amount of libtard patience each day and it got used up early today
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2018 - 04:48pm PT
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but you apparently reject the corollary that inner city residents are Hillary supporters
I never said any such thing.
If asked, I would absolutely agree that, statistically, inner city residents voted for Hillary, even in the Midwest. The voter exit polls and registration records prove that to be the case.
or that any inner city resident would commit a similar crime.
I never said any such thing.
But, I am still waiting for you to show me the news article, wherein inner city residents are arrested for treating their own children like animals, and starving them nearly to death.
Without exception, when I hear about people doing this sort of thing (the last time was about nine months ago, at Lake Perris) the adults in charge are religious zealots, who use the Good Book to justify their psychopathic behavior.
The religious right voted overwhelmingly for Trump, and they still support him, even after the Stormy Daniels scandal, children being and into cages, and Trump's surrendering the United States to Vladimir Putin.
It is impossible to predict, 100% of the time, what a given person will do. But, it is certainly possible to statistically evaluate a like-minded group to obtain a probability of what a person in that group might do.
It's what Cambridge Analytica did.
They stole everybody's Facebook data, and used it to predict that a fabricated story about "Hillary's child sex-slave ring at a D.C. pizza parlor" would be eagerly accepted as the truth by certain uneducated and religiously superstitious people. One guy even showed up at the pizza parlor with his Second Amendment-guaranteed AR-15 assault rifle, and discharged it inside the building while he was "investigating".
Similarly, it is quite accurate to state that most Trumplicans will say that any evidence showing that Trump conspired with Putin to subvert the 2016 election must be "fake evidence" manufactured by the "deep state". Even irrefutable bank records, telephone wiretaps, and intercepted emails will be declared "fake", because that evidence wouldn't fit within Trump's false narrative of "no collusion".
There is no question that Trump colluded with Russia. The only question is to what degree. He colluded with Russia on Monday, in Helsinki.
Trump says he wants Putin to come to Washington for another secret collusion meeting.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/us/politics/trump-putin-browder-mcfaul.html
Who will give me odds that Putin and Trump will squeeze into Scott Pruitt's $43,000 Cone of Silence, so that they can scheme in private about how to screw America over?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Jul 19, 2018 - 05:12pm PT
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My offer stands, put up $5000 and bet that Trump will be reelected to a second term
and I will take the other side of that bet and put up my 5K
respected, credible, mutually agreed upon forum member holds the money and give it to the winner in November 2020
time to put up or shut up, "contards"
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jul 19, 2018 - 05:13pm PT
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West Nile Virus Found In Mosquitoes In Santee
Gawd's wrath on conserviturds?
West Nile Incubation
Once bitten by an infected mosquito, people can begin to show symptoms in as little as two days, but it can take up to 2 weeks, according to the CDC. Only about one out of every five people bitten by a West Nile mosquito actually show symptoms, like a fever, but it is important to know what symptoms to watch for. About one percent of people bitten develop a severe reaction that can lead to West Nile Fever, which has long-lasting symptoms:
Weakness
Depression
Tremors
Fatigue
And other signs of brain damage
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2018 - 05:38pm PT
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The "god" that Republicans worship hates their guts.
The 58,000-resident city of Santee is Republican territory, with nearly 45 percent of voters registered Republican, 28 percent Democrat, about 21 percent independent and the rest another party.
Their "god" is giving Santee West Nile as an appetizer before the main course of Ebola.
A judge in Georgia, a Trump stronghold, has ruled that a woman who was born in Mexico, and became a United States citizen in 2017, is ineligible to run for a seat in the House of Representatives. The judge agreed with the Georgia Secretary of State, Brian Kemp, in denying Maria Palacios a spot on the ballot.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/us/georgia-house-citizenship-maria-palacios.html
Brian Kemp is running for Governor of Georgia. He has received The Good Ol' Billy-Bob-Boy Seal of Approval from Donald Trump. Kemp's TV ads show him brandishing a shotgun while promising he will "git in the truck, and round 'em up".
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/us/politics/trump-brian-kemp-georgia.html
In contrast to racist and backwards Georgia, California elected Arnold Schwarzenegger as governor way back in 2003. He was born in Austria, and became a United States citizen in 1983. Californians agreed that he had the right to run for governor, because he was a U.S. citizen.
I am anticipating that Trump will propose that the states that support him exit from the United States. In the same way that Britain voted to leave the European Union, Trump will propose that red states like Florida, Georgia, Texas and Mississsippi vote to leave the United States, in order to form a more perfect Trump Kingdom.
The Trexit move would give Trump a higher overall approval rating, which is all he cares about.
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