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Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jun 15, 2018 - 05:56pm PT
Here's a CNN list of all the times North Korea agreed to suspend or reduce their nuclear weapons & missle program.

In hindsight, it appears they never suspended or reduced it at all.

But!

Trump's got it done on his first try! What a guy!

1985
North Korea signs the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
1993
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) demands that inspectors be given access to two nuclear waste storage sites. In response, North Korea threatens to quit the NPT but eventually opts to continue participating in the treaty.
1994
North Korea and the United States sign an agreement. North Korea pledges to freeze and eventually dismantle its old, graphite-moderated nuclear reactors in exchange for international aid to build two new light-water nuclear reactors.
2005
North Korea tentatively agrees to give up its entire nuclear program, including weapons. In exchange, the United States, China, Japan, Russia and South Korea say they will provide energy assistance to North Korea, as well as promote economic cooperation.
2006
July - After North Korea test fires long range missiles, the UN Security Council passes a resolution demanding that North Korea suspend the program.
October - North Korea claims to have successfully tested its first nuclear weapon. The test prompts the UN Security Council to impose a broad array of sanctions.
2007
February 13 - North Korea agrees to close its main nuclear reactor in exchange for an aid package worth $400 million.
September 30 - At six-party talks in Beijing, North Korea signs an agreement stating it will begin disabling its nuclear weapons facilities.
December 31 - North Korea misses the deadline to disable its weapons facilities.
2008
June 27 - North Korea destroys a water cooling tower at the Yongbyon nuclear facility.
December - Six-party talks are held in Beijing. The talks break down over North Korea's refusal to allow international inspectors unfettered access to suspected nuclear sites.
2011
October 24-25 - US officials meet with a North Korean delegation in Geneva, Switzerland, in an effort to restart the six-party nuclear arms talks that broke down in 2008.
2012
February 29 - The State Department announces that North Korea has agreed to a moratorium on long-range missile launches and nuclear activity at the nation's major nuclear facility in exchange for food aid.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-timeline---fast-facts/index.html

By the way, if you still believe Trump is going to get North Korea to give us their nuclear weapons, I have some prime grazing land in Idaho, you might well be interested in.

Choss Creek is under the red arrow.
Arrow marks Choss Creek.
Arrow marks Choss Creek.
Credit: Fritz
xCon

Social climber
909
Jun 15, 2018 - 06:05pm PT
i dont get it

just a few months ago sessions and company were gloating about separating children in front of the camera's saying "just so you know, you come here and were gonna mess your kids up... and it will be your fault"

aside from a lot of woohoo's from the knuckle draggers it didn't cause the outrage that one small aspect of all the f*#ked up stuff were letting our agents do
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Jun 15, 2018 - 06:15pm PT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jun 15, 2018 - 06:30pm PT
Damn near offended.

How Christian of you.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Jun 15, 2018 - 06:30pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#532115
ATG

Big Wall climber
Santee, CA
Jun 15, 2018 - 06:54pm PT
Serious question; how many of you regularly skip the psyche meds?
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2018 - 07:48pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I've been skipping psyche meds my entire life.

And, I have successfully evaded any doctor who might want to prescribe such drugs.



Love is the drug, that I'm thinking of.


Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Jun 15, 2018 - 07:50pm PT
When asked if North Korean leader Kim Jong Un would visit the White House, President Donald Trump said that he likely would, complimented his “strong” leadership, and said he wished Americans would “sit up at attention” when he speaks like the North Koreans do for Kim.

“Hey, he is the head of a country and I mean he is the strong head,” Trump said of Kim to Fox News’ Steve Doocy on Friday. “Don’t let anyone think anything different. He speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.”
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2018 - 08:02pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Fidel Castro held out, to the bitter end, about not embracing the United States. After he was no longer in power, Cuba is being seen as, potentially, part of the global community, and not a pariah state.

Kim Jong-Un may want to move past the isolationist policy of his grandfather and father.


I give Trump props for going there, and opening relations.


Kim Jong-Un may be playing a propaganda trick for his own benefit, or he may want to genuinely want to embrace a more open national policy.

Cuba no longer wants to be marginalized on the world stage. North Korea may want to make the same move.


Trump may be able to assist North Korea in becoming great, in the manner of the Four Tigers - Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea.

zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 15, 2018 - 08:03pm PT
From the whining promoter of the archetypical instance of amphetamine psychosis.

Would ya like like some fresh yellow wee wee on your whites?



"Yeah boss, still shaking it, just tryin' to keep my head above water"

"Don't let anyone think anything different. He speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same," Trump said.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2018 - 08:16pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Thank you for showing a photo of what the Koch brothers' paper companies are dumping into rivers and local drainage sloughs.

The big money people feed cash into the Republican party, so that there is no enforcement of environmental protection laws that were instigated by President Nixon (a Republican).

That photo is for EPA chief Scott Pruitt, what the Russian hooker Moscow pee-tape is for Trump.


Again, thanks for making our point for us. You're a double agent, but on our side.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 15, 2018 - 08:19pm PT
Not the Kokes, but it's all the same in some sense.

That's Tejas recycling urine according to the article.


Desperate times call for a tall, cool glass of creativity in this patch of West Texas where water is scarce and quickly disappearing.

But a plan to pump millions of new gallons of drinking water into the system has many people across West Texas holding their noses.

This week construction started on a $13 million water-reclamation facility. That’s a fancy way of describing a treatment plant that will turn sewage wastewater into drinking water.

“That’s not something I even want to think about,” said Eunice Thixton, a Big Spring resident. “It really doesn’t sound too good.”

AS they say in the White House (Kremlin?) and Texas:

Urine is golden.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2018 - 08:26pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I was confused. I saw a similar scene, in a documentary about the Koch brothers.

I am not an expert on toxic waste being discharged into public waterways to the distress of people marginalized by the untoward big cash money influence of rich and powerful people and corporations.

I just get angry, and it all trends towards looking the same to me.





A water reclamation project, turning piss into Paisano, is not the worst thing in the world.

The Hyperion sewage plant in Los Angeles is probably at the forefront of that sort of technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_sewage_treatment_plant



Here, where I live, the treated waste water is passed through pipes of a different color, to identify it as such, and it is used for landscaping irrigation.



On Catalina Island, they use sea water for flushing toilets, and the corrosion problems keep the plumbers in business.


What are you going to do????????




Paisano Overhang is a John Long masterpiece at Suicide Rock = climbing related
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jun 15, 2018 - 08:50pm PT
Tom, you are ignoring the nukes. It is everything. Cuba had no nukes and was far less oppressive society
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
Shifting into a different, higher gear:

Paul Manafort has had his bail revoked, and he has been remanded to custody. It is highly likely that he will remain in a cage for the rest of his life. He has almost no valuable information for Mueller. He has almost no bargaining chips to play. He is just a guy who, somehow, thought it was clever to come to the forefront of the National Stage after engaging in illegal activity.



Trump's fixer Michael Cohen has only four options, all of them either bad or unlikely:

 incarceration
 cooperation
 exoneration
 assassination


This is a terrible state of affairs, and I have sympathy and empathy for him. He is a human being, and he has screwed up his situation.

I thank God that I am such a small man that I have only screwed up to a small degree, and that I don't have to face what he is now facing.



This THING is playing out, in real time, before us, and it will get worse.





The benefit to the public is that this situation is so extreme, it will result in a future wherein this will (hopefully) never happen again.


xCon

Social climber
909
Jun 15, 2018 - 09:26pm PT
Credit: xCon
Credit: xCon
ground chuck

Ice climber
Olympia
Jun 15, 2018 - 09:32pm PT
the sight of rump and the toilet boy hammering out world policy is rather scary,

a couple of the world's worst mutants figuring somewhat in the future of mankind is truly disturbing,

how did we get here? was the waffle house closed on election day?
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2018 - 09:39pm PT
A mathematician, or physicist, or engineer, would agree that the proper settling point for a pendulum is in the middle.

When the pendulum swings far to the left, and then far to the right, the proper settling position will, eventually, be in the middle.


We are seeing a swing far to the right.

Newton's Laws of Motion state that a pendulum will swing far to the left, after a swing far to the right.

But, a suitable corrective force on a pendulum can cause it to settle in the middle.

mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Jun 15, 2018 - 09:59pm PT

Trump's fixer Michael Cohen has only four options, all of them either bad or unlikely:

incarceration
cooperation
exoneration
assassination

Tom, you forgot one option: our Dear Leader could pardon him.

Since there doesn't seem to be any real thing that he sees as "justice," anymore than he sees "truth," what's fair won't be a factor in deciding whether to pardon him or not. And neither will Dear Leader think of what's good for the country.

The only considerations will be what he can get away with while doing what's good for himself.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jun 15, 2018 - 11:49pm PT
The Supreme Court of the United States came out with a ruling”

“...While reckless assaults upon pub lic men, and efforts to bring obloquy upon those who are endeavoring faith fully to discharge official duties, exert a baleful influence and deserve the se verest condemnation in public opinion, it cannot be said that this abuse is greater, and it is believed to be less, than that which characterized the peri od in which our institutions took shape. Meanwhile, the administration of gov ernment has become more complex, the opportunities for malfeasance and cor ruption have multiplied, crime has grown to most serious proportions, and the danger of its protection by unfaith ful officials and of the impairment of the fundamental security of life and property by criminal alliances and offi cial neglect, emphasizes the primary need of a vigilant and courageous press, especially in great cities. The fact that the liberty of the press may be abused by miscreant purveyors of scandal does not make any the less necessary the immunity of the press from previous restraint in dealing with official mis conduct.”
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