Trump has entered the Querencia Phase of his presidency

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
This thread has been locked
Messages 2221 - 2240 of total 3460 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jun 9, 2018 - 12:25pm PT
Hear that sucking sound, dirtbag? It's the sound of a loser blaming other folks for losing.

edit: your kettle color is showing there, black man.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 9, 2018 - 12:40pm PT
Yes, some of the Bernie supporters indeed do that, cowboy.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jun 9, 2018 - 01:32pm PT
go climb a rock

Do you have the permission of Delaware North to use that phrase?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jun 9, 2018 - 07:06pm PT
Trump has managed to "Trump-Up" the G-7 meeting in Quebec with our closest long-term allies.

I don't understand why he acts like a spoiled child, except that it appears he is a spoiled adult/child.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-west-is-in-crisis-despite-trumps-glowing-assessment/ar-AAyqTjP?li=BBnb7Kz

President Donald Trump said Saturday that his relationships with other Western leaders are perfect, but the truth is the transatlantic alliance has never been so split.

Trump angrily hit back at suggestions that he had thrown the West into turmoil at the G7 summit in Canada, branding a question over any downturn in relations as "fake news." Yet Trump showed up late and left early from a summit that highlighted gaping divides within the bloc of democratic industrialized nations that America nurtured.

But when he was asked about frustrations flying between him and other leaders like French President Emmanuel Macron and Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, he reacted angrily.

"I would say the level of relationship is a 10. We have a great relationship. Angela (Merkel) and Emmanuel (Macron), Justin (Trudeau). I would say the relationship is a 10," Trump said.

His anger was revealing of his operating method as President, his attitude towards America's traditional foreign policy positions and his skill in using theatrical moments on the world stage to send a strong message to his loyal voters back home.

Trump's hyperbolic praise for a summit that was evidently discordant shows his refusal to allow any venture in which he is involved to be portrayed as anything other than a roaring success.

It's far from the first time Trump has created an alternative reality that serves his political narrative.

The President's comments also show how he views international diplomacy through the prism of personal connections with other leaders.

This is a holdover from his days as a deal closing real estate executive. It also hints at his view that lavish receptions he has received in places like China and Saudi Arabia are signs of unusual respect for him personally, and thus, show US ties with such states have never been better.
Trump's critics argue he is fixated on optics and risks falling prey to foreign states who use personal flattery as a way to get what they want from him on more meaningful issues.

So while Macron, who winked at Trump when he turned up late for breakfast Saturday, and Trudeau and British Prime Minister Theresa May all may have been cordial towards him, that doesn't mean that they are not frustrated and perplexed at the same time.

One senior European diplomat rejected Trump's 10-out-of-10 assessment.
"He must mean there are 10 things on which we totally disagree. Or like the title of the movie, '10 Things I Hate About You,'" the diplomat told CNN's Michelle Kosinski.

G6+1

In the days before the summit, European leaders made no secret of the fact that there were fundamental disagreements with Trump, leading some observers to dub the summit the G6+1.

"The American President may not mind being isolated, but neither do we mind signing a 6 country agreement if need be. Because these 6 countries represent values, they represent an economic market which has the weight of history behind it and which is now a true international force," Macron, who sources said also had a difficult call with Trump, tweeted on Thursday.
Trudeau and Trump also had an acrimonious exchange over the phone over his decision to impose steel and aluminum tariffs on US allies, CNN has reported. And before he left for Quebec, Trump accused the European Union and Canada of treating the US "unfairly."

And Chancellor Angela Merkel has made clear her disquiet with Trump's policies, arguing that Germany may no longer be able to rely on its US ally.

Her spokesman Steffen Seibert tweeted a picture that seemed to capture the mood of the summit.

Merkel, hands on a table, is leaning over the President who, seated, looks defiant, with his arms crossed, with national security adviser John Bolton peering over his shoulder.


Macron is also engaging Trump -- while Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is standing with arms folded and with a resigned look on his face.
Another view, tweeted by White House social media director Dan Scavino shows the same exchange but in a less tense moment, with some officials grinning.

It's about more than personalities
At their root, tensions between Trump and fellow leaders run deeper than personality.

In European capitals, officials complain that the US President's populist nationalism and economic sovereignty arguments reject values that have bolstered the West since World War II.

There have been tensions and trade spats before. In 2003, France and Germany broke with the United States in a bitter dispute over the US invasion of Iraq. But the West has never been so divided over ideology.
And no US President has been so solicitous to the West's foes, like Russian President Vladimir Putin and China's President Xi Jinping, and treated America's partners as adversaries.

Trump's faithfulness to his election promises on pulling out of the Paris climate deal and the Iran nuclear pact also caused splits with allies who believe both agreements are critical to their national security.
Many Europeans view Trump's claim that climate change is a hoax, his policies on immigration, his racial and religious rhetoric and his "America First" ideology as antithetical to European values.
Trump has frequently expressed disdain for the EU and was an enthusiastic cheerleader after Britain voted to leave the bloc.

A year into his presidency, it is now clear that efforts by foreign leaders to manage and temper the unpredictable US leader have failed, and that he is who he said he would be.

That leaves America's allies with a huge problem.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 9, 2018 - 08:56pm PT
^^^Wtf is wrong with that man? ^^^
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jun 9, 2018 - 09:03pm PT
Bernie as VP would have been worse ,for sure.

A Essex

climber
Jun 9, 2018 - 09:05pm PT
Trump is a King and will be in for life.

mark my words
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jun 9, 2018 - 09:23pm PT
Pardon
dirtbag

climber
Jun 10, 2018 - 06:12am PT
Dirtbag, how many people identify with the Democratic Party at 100%?

And, what is the party’s agenda anyway? It changes all the time. It used to be racist, now is against it. It used to be fiscally liberal, now it’s against excessive spending. The same with the GOP. The game seems to be, if a Republican is supporting it, a Democrat has to be against it, and vice versa.

Following somebody’s agenda leads to fanatism. I vote with the Democrats because I have much less in common with the Republicans. If you (partisans) keep pounding on me, I’ll stop voting for any party.

It’s not about “if you are not with us, you are against us”.

Think about it.


Who says you have to agree with a party’s platform 100% of the time, or that its some kind of lifetime commitment? As you point out, it’s agenda is not immutable.

I still don’t see why a party would give someone resources if they can’t even bother to join.

dirtbag

climber
Jun 10, 2018 - 06:18am PT


Social climber
909

Jun 10, 2018 - 04:22am PT
During the summit itself, Trump's behavior seemed almost deliberately disdainful: coming late, leaving early, contradicting others on Russia and suggesting that Canada lift all tariffs on US goods (which elicited a nervous laugh from Trudeau).


Such a humiliating disgrace, with awful consequences.

We are going to pay for this, literally, and it will be well deserved. I hope our next president can mend some fences. Sorry, world. Most of us didn’t vote for this as#@&%e.
A Essex

climber
Jun 10, 2018 - 06:30am PT
you still think there will be a 'next president'

StOOpid MuriKKKns luv authoritarianism now

big Sky Daddy is brought to life on Earth.... Halleluia!

damn Canada and their socialist milks!!!!

this weirdo is in for life
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jun 10, 2018 - 08:38am PT
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jun 10, 2018 - 08:38am PT
John McCain does some pushback on Trump's loutish behavior at the Quebec G-7 meeting.

Trump's decision not to endorse the G7 communique brought pushback from some in the US, including Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, who broke with Trump on Twitter.

"To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values," McCain wrote. "Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn't."

August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jun 10, 2018 - 09:50am PT
If you (partisans) keep pounding on me, I’ll stop voting for any party.

So you would give up your right to vote because of some heated comments on the Internet?

Got it.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Jun 10, 2018 - 09:51am PT
He has his piss boy Bolton with him.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jun 10, 2018 - 10:22am PT
The DNC asking for loyalty pledges sounds very much like Trump asking for loyalty pledges.

Is there some kind of loyalty ceremony? Does Hillary preside?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jun 10, 2018 - 12:02pm PT
Republican strategist Steve Schmidt said Sunday that President Trump "beclowned himself" and disgraced the United States at the G7 summit.

"From his slovenly appearance to his unpreparedness, ignorance and arrogance, he beclowned himself," tweeted Schmidt, one of the loudest GOP critics of Trump. "The Republican majority is filled with cowards who are servile supplicants to the most unfit POTUS ever."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-strategist-trump-beclowned-himself-at-g7-summit/ar-AAyslTq?li=BBnb7Kz
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Jun 10, 2018 - 12:40pm PT
None of us outside the US really cared if Trump beclowned himself this weekend, again. We recognize who he was before he was elected and are ready to be ourselves with the US now or whenever you can get it back together. Until then everyone is just waiting it out so we can interact with the US as a whole in an adult fashion again.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jun 10, 2018 - 01:49pm PT
The rest of the world sees tRump as a joke. The ultimate ugly American. An arrogant, classless, fat slob who thinks being American and white gives him the right to push everyone else around. Even the brutal dictators he sucks up to think he is a clown, and are making a fool out of him.
I have zero doubt that Putin has compromised tRump. He is using him to destroy America’s standing in the world.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California, now Ireland
Jun 10, 2018 - 02:04pm PT
I fear that Pud and others who say that Trump will be re-elected may very well be 'right'.

As for NK, I think it is win-win for Kim and Trump. Regardless of the outcome, Kim will have gained the recognition that he (and his father and grandfather) has sought, sitting down with the POTUS of the US, probably legitimizing NK in many eyes, while Trump will spin the meeting as being successful, even if it may not be.

His base support will believe that he was successful, some people sitting on the fence may just jump to his “side” and those who know what a scumbag he is will not be suckered, and Trump will not care about the latter. IMO he doesn’t care about any of the three “groups”, he just wants to appear as a winner.

We (I) have to admit he is not the idiot some have taken him for, though mentally ill and incompetent, but he certainly is good at marketing, certainly his own brand.

Unless there is a serious Republican willing to take Trump on in the primaries (never will happen) he will win the nomination. As some commentators have said, it is no longer the Republican Party but the Trump Party.

And the Democrats still cannot seem to get their act together, though I hope I am wrong.

After Trump? The way I read things are going in America, the arch-conservatives/alt-right may will be in power (all three branches of government) for some time to come.

But eventually the pendulum will swing back, and hopefully get stuck in the middle.
Messages 2221 - 2240 of total 3460 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
 
Our Guidebooks
spacerCheck 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks

guidebook icon
Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Recent Route Beta