Trump has entered the Querencia Phase of his presidency


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Trad climber
May 23, 2018 - 11:00am PT
Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, received a secret payment of at least $400,000 (£300,000) to fix talks between the Ukrainian president and President Trump, according to sources in Kiev close to those involved.

The payment was arranged by intermediaries acting for Ukraine's leader, Petro Poroshenko, the sources said, though Mr Cohen was not registered as a representative of Ukraine as required by US law.

Mr Cohen denies the allegation.

The meeting at the White House was last June. Shortly after the Ukrainian president returned home, his country's anti-corruption agency stopped its investigation into Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort.

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 23, 2018 - 11:03am PT

Robert Mueller is aware of that statement.

He is not dissuaded from pursuing his mandate.

No amount of absurd propaganda is going to make the investigation go away.

Facts and reality will prevail over lies and deceit.

Michael Cohen's henchman pleaded out and is cooperating with prosecutors.

Michael Cohen says he would jump out of a building before he would turn and bite his master. He might not get the chance to jump. His master might have him put down.


Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
May 23, 2018 - 11:05am PT

Calling Trump "illegitimate" is inaccurate and it sounds whiney.

He was sworn in as president and he is the president (yours and mine).

He's a lying, corrupt piece of crap, but he is the legitimate president, made so by the normal, legitimate processes of our political system.


Happiegirl, I love your response to EdwardT. He'll have to figure out what's true and not by himself (if he ever manages to open his mind so that truth can penetrate).
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
May 23, 2018 - 11:11am PT
It was the title of the story I posted
Sounds Whiney??? Talk to Clapper

He is illegitimate if he broke the law to win

If he would have lost if he had not broke the law, then he is illegitimate

"I Love WikiLeaks"
This was an unlawful action
promoting stolen e-mails
the Fet

May 23, 2018 - 11:21am PT
So I guess you're 'revolted' by your own comments as well? That's twisted.

Trump will win again in 2020. Deal with it.

My comments weren't misogynist and didn't indicate I felt entitled to assault women because of my position. The types of crude humor me and my friends engaged in didn't include sexual assault. That's the point I was trying to make, sorry if it went past you. And Trump wasn't even talking to a friend, he was bragging to a TV host.

I think my comments hit you close to home. You are willing to support someone that morally corrupt because he enacts policies you agree with. You have to live with that.

I seriously doubt Trump will win again. He barely squeaked by, lost the popular vote, and was facing a flawed candidate. Along with Comey reopening the email investigation weeks before the vote, and timed series of leaks of Hillary's emails by Russia. Of course he could win again, there's enough people who believe his constant lies and are willing to overlook his morally corrupt ways. And as always a lot of it will come down to the economy, which the president only has minor influence on. The Republicans are doing everything the can to extend the current expansion, (including adding $1T to the debt), but we are due for a correction, it's just a matter of when it hits.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
May 23, 2018 - 12:00pm PT
Listened to Rush Limbaugh this morning on the way downtown. You would not believe the incredible tale he is weaving. Gobsmackingly stupid and amazing that his ignorant listeners eat it up. Basically the story is that the Russians have infiltrated churches and higher education, bunch of leftists, that is why the FBI and CIA recruit from Ivy League schools, so the CIA and FBI are filled with Commies. The FBI and CIa ginned up this controversy to hurt Trump. The guys pleading guilty are plants, every adverse fact is a carefully coordinated scheme. Kinda like Obamas birth announcement in the local Hawaiian papers.

May 23, 2018 - 12:20pm PT
^^^The weird nonsense trump and his sycophants heap on the gullible masses is mind boggling. ^^^

May 23, 2018 - 12:23pm PT
Unfortunately for the GOP, the midterms are still an endless number of trump escapades, missteps and lies away.

According to 538, a year ago my approval was at 38.8, and today it’s at 42.2. Sorry, unfortunate for who?

Believe it if you need it, if you don’t just make something up. Works for me. You too?

My lies have been bad for the GOP?! Yea those repubs would have been a lot better off with Hillary as potus. You guys and your self mind bending optimism are inspiring for a liar like me.

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 23, 2018 - 12:25pm PT
Instead of rising up with a clear vision for our future, there is a whole lot of nothing, and playing follow-the-leader with Trumpian politics of pointing out the problems of the enemy instead of telling people what you would do if you were elected.

Bernie's campaign in a nutshell.
the Fet

May 23, 2018 - 01:06pm PT
Wow cosmic, I knew you were highly partisan but didn't know you were racist. I guess I hope you are just ignorant.

Trad climber
May 23, 2018 - 01:34pm PT
How do you define "libtard," Cosmic? And what is it that makes them so abhorrent in your view?

I can certainly understand your being annoyed and even angry at those on this thread who say crass things to you personally, but I doubt that is a defining factor in being a "libtard."
the Fet

May 23, 2018 - 01:49pm PT
Cosmic glad to hear it. But posting that racist Obama meme makes you appear like one.

The use of Libtard is a identifier of a someone who is ignorant or just an ass. Using retard is now known as a hurtful way to marginalize mentally challenged people. Like the N word. Combining it with liberal is just a way to try to hurt them but just makes the user appear like an ass.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
May 23, 2018 - 01:53pm PT
Definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results
Apparently, Conservative philosophy can be called insanity

What does it mean to do the same thing over and over and expect different outcomes? It means being a conservative. Across history and across cultures, conservatism always winds up in the same place: violence, xenophobia, cultural division, inequality, societal breakdown, oligarchy, kleptocracy, eroding values, subjugation of truth, concentration of power.

Pick a society or culture, conservatism always serves the interests of a few at the expense of the general populace, always betrays the people in favor of the powerful. By being a force to preserve the past, conservatism may sound benign and high-minded — tradition, values, merit. The questions to always be asked, however, are these:

Whose tradition?

What values?

How is merit to be defined?

For the issue of conservatism is always the same: someone is in the position of choosing these things, excluding others — conservatism is, ironically but not, elitist. Conservatism purports to favor the marketplace of ideas, a sort of intellectual capitalism, but as in all forms of capitalism favored by conservatives they try to rig the game. Exclude certain voters, limit rights, control media — because conservatism’s principle is for a powerful few to select certain deserving ideas over undeserving ideas.

As a backward-looking movement, conservatism chooses what tradition, what values, what merit matters. Orwell’s observation that who controls the past controls the future identifies the ultimate conservative notion. MY version of tradition, MY version of values, MY version of merit, claiming universality for values that are strictly sectarian.

May 23, 2018 - 01:54pm PT
Oh hey Jared Kushner just got his permanent security clearance after all, didn’t he? Oh never mind, wrong storyline for our favorite story.

Trad climber
May 23, 2018 - 01:58pm PT
But posting that racist Obama meme makes you appear like one.

How is that worse than the malicious Trump photos we see week in, week out?

Thanks to all the Trump haters, bringing their worst, there's no longer a standard of decency when it comes to mocking the POTUS.

It will be open season on the next Democrat President.

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
May 23, 2018 - 02:00pm PT
These anachronisms are called out as hypocrisy, but hypocrisy misses the point. It’s not hypocritical, it’s conservative — that is what conservatism does, it’s what conservatism has always done.

Conservatism rises and always falls. It rises on the populism of inclusion in the club, the power to choose who is deserving and undeserving. It is always corrupt, because it always depends on a rigged game. If a conservative is decrying a rigged game, it is because they either didn’t get to do the rigging or they are playing their subjects’ fears of being victims of getting rigged out of what they think they deserve.

The assertions of conservatism always depend on fallacy:
•Ad hominem — abuse of the opponent.
•Ad baculum — might makes right, the wealthy are the job creators, the backbone of America
•Ad populum — “The American people demand...”, “everyone is saying I deserve the Nobel Prize”
•Ignoratio elenchii — Bill Clinton had an affair. Liberals lack morality.
•Fallacy of accident — what was true in one case proves a generalization. One immigrant in one place is accused of murder, therefore immigrants are murderers and immigration is a threat to society.
•Fallacy of converse accident — putting even limited gun laws in place will lead to all guns being confiscated.

(From reader libre nos)
•Appeal to authority: The Bible says … the Founders … original interpretation … Adam Smith. WTF, even Laffer.
•Appeal to antiquity: “We've always done it this way.” “Surely , if there was something wrong we would have fixed it by now.”
•Circular reasoning: The unrestricted free market is the best economic system, because it works better than any other system in a republic, which is the best political system, because it’s compatible with the unrestricted free market.
•Petitio principii (begging the question, unjustified assumptions): Conservative social values are best, because they’re based on a strong nuclear family with well-defined gender roles.

What can one say about conservatism when it depends entirely on fallacy?

May 23, 2018 - 02:06pm PT
wonder if the good people in the citys would starve them out or just go ‘whatever’

From this thread, seems like the good people in the citys have been mostly admiring themselves for being the good people and vilifying the other half of the people with different lives and values and political perspectives for being bad. But hey at least the good people aren’t still discriminating goodness based on skin color!

Trad climber
May 23, 2018 - 02:38pm PT
I don't agree with posting memes like the examples you showed, Cosmic.

However, it does seem to me that there was plenty of that aimed at Obama and his family. Here's a Google search of such images.

I think that while comparing actual images of some in the Trump team to those of Adams Family is a low quality way to convey a message, it's nowhere on the scale of images where the Obama family is photoshopped to be apes, or the one based on Obama's campaign theme of "Hope," where he is being lynched, and the word changed to "Rope."

Are you forgetting how pervasive the memes were during the Obama presidency? Did you speak out against THOSE at the time. Or did you partake in the "fun?"

Jon Beck

Trad climber
May 23, 2018 - 02:44pm PT
Who have convinced me Cosmic, you are being as big an ass as the others

Trad climber
May 23, 2018 - 03:33pm PT
Its been open season for a long time. Did you ignore the Obama meme's? The advent of the internet has expanded the ability of ugly humans to spread their ugliness.

Obama got about the same amount of abuse as Dubya. Volume-wise, it was 2-3, with occasional spikes.

With Trump, it's been cranked up to eleven, since November 2016.

Granted, Trump brings a lot of it on himself.


I'm wondering how I've gotten drawn into siding with The Donald. I can't stand the man. I worry about the damage he's doing. I'd be hard-pressed to make a case for him not being the worst POTUS ever. Nevertheless, I think all the constant, over-the-top abuse heaped on him is harmful to this country. It's part of our slippery slope to Idiocracy.

And... it alienates a lot of people who might otherwise vote against Trump in 2020.

We have met the enemy...
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