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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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IHMO if impeachment looks likely, I think he'll resign. May it come soon. If no impeachment threat I think he'll want to stay in the dogfight.
I'm surprised he hasn't already proposed a great bronze statue of him, like Saddam Hussein's.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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not every student should go to college; there are other options leading to reasonable incomes such as trade schools or apprenticeships,
Exactly. More than just reasonable incomes too; damn good ones.
Marco Rubio was the only Republican talking about this during the primaries. Too bad he wasn't our guy.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Americans overall are better educated than they were a quarter-century ago,
More book learning, yes. But definitely none the wiser.
Mainstream America has become Dug.
We are Dunning Kruger.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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And stay the hell off reilly's lawn
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Its hard to imagine that college has now become so expensive that folks can't pay for it with summer jobs & school-term work.
So googling U of Idaho cost tells me that residents tuition is around $9000 and room and board is around $11000. So working full time all year at a crappy service job and you would Still need loan.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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So googling U of Idaho cost tells me that residents tuition is around $9000 and room and board is around $11000. So working full time all year at a crappy service job and you would Still need loan.
What's so bad about taking out a modest loan to acquire an asset that will presumably enhance your earning potential for the rest of your life, especially when said loan is heavily subsidized by the taxpayers?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mainstream America has become Dug.
Certainly half of America has - it's how trump got elected.
Oh look, it's a muslim
Oh look, it's a black
Oh look, it's an immigrant
Oh look, it's a homosexual
Oh, don't look while we pick your pocket and strip you of any and all protections
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jon, it’s OK today...
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Big guy looks like a steam shovel about to eat some dirt...
Can't let that one go by as a connoisseur of sorts of comedy.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Criminals are celebrities on the Right Wing.
The bigger the A-hole, the bigger the support
Wrong is right
up is down
Black is white
They are the opposite of Public Service
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2018 - 02:18pm PT
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Fact is, school is still fairly affordable--especially if the student goes to a public university, stays in-state, and finishes on time.
Your "facts" are not facts at all, in the context of the reality that over 6 billion people are capable of perceiving.
Here are some FACTS about the affordability of college education today. The example here is indicative of the current situation, not some sort of aberration or exception to the rule.
California Polytechnic State University is less expensive than the more elite University of California programs. It provides one of the best values for cost vs. earning power upon graduation. It is, therefore, at the very top of the list of "fairly affordable" public, state universities.
FACT 1:
Tuition and fees in 1981 were $139, per quarter, for full time, 12 or more class units. That comes out to $417 per year.
FACT 2:
Today, tuition and fees are $9432 for one year, for state residents. For others, add about another $12,000 to the tuition bill.
https://financialaid.calpoly.edu/coa1718.html
FACT 3:
Inflation over that time means $1116.52 has the same purchasing power today, as $417 had back then.
FACT 4:
$9432 is 8.5 times $1116.
FACT 5:
Tuition and fees at Cal Poly have risen 8.5 times the rate of inflation.
There are other fact that can further demonstrate that higher education is becoming less affordable. One obvious example is declining public grant monies that have been supplanted by student loans that profit big banks.
There is NO question that higher public education, even at its most favorable, is significantly more expensive today, and getting worse. Public education, in general, is being systematically defunded by idiots like Trump and Ditsy Davos. Those two were born to extreme wealth, and never saw a tuition bill in their lives. Trump, Davos and other inheritance plutocrats will do anything to maintain their self-exalted position in society, even if it means destroying that society.
Even without the rampant inbreeding that afflicted the upper classes in the Roman Empire, today's plutocrats exhibit extreme stupidity and self-destruction, working hard to wreck the very thing they are so afraid of losing. Their plan is to hunker down, with sophisticated weaponry, and use that to shoot out the flames as the house burns down.
The GOP's Master Plan for the future of America has the following features. ENJOY!
1) Cut taxes, primarily to benefit wealthy people and big corporations.
2) Reduce and eliminate social programs due to a lack of revenue to fund them.
3) Shift public education funds to private schools with a partisan agenda.
4) Large donations and bribes will be the primary fuel of the political process.
5) Defund basic research, to ensure impaired and inferior technological prowess in the future.
6) Greatly increase military spending and present a belligerently nationalistic posture to other nations.
7) Eliminate diplomats in favor of hawks and CIA operatives to set forth foreign policy.
8) Embrace a last-man-standing strategy to declining resources.
9) Eliminate all truth, facts and reality when communicating with the voting public.
10) Concentrate political power in the hands of a few plutocrats, with a buffoon dictator at the top.
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
The plutocrats don't realize that if foreign aggressors come knocking on the city walls, the disaffected and enslaved lower classes will have no vested interest in protecting the wealth held by just a few.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Even without the rampant inbreeding that afflicted the upper classes in the Roman Empire, today's plutocrats exhibit extreme stupidity and self-destruction, working hard to wreck the very thing they are so afraid of losing. Hey, I like this one too!
Climate change alone will almost certainly adversely affect all but the very richest of the plutocrats. You would think that they would understand the long-term consequences to their progeny. I mean, this is evolution 101 -- protect your genetic lineage.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Welcome to the GOP privatization of ‘Merica. It is all pay to play now boyz and girlz. It you can’t pay, you can join the rest of the serfs, feeding your feudal overlords or fighting their battles for them. The NRA will make sure the fascist militias are well armed to suppress any uprisings.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Tuition and fees at Cal Poly have risen 8.5 times the rate of inflation.
There is NO question that higher public education, even at its most favorable, is significantly more expensive today, and getting worse. Public education, in general, is being systematically defunded by idiots like Trump and Ditsy Davos.
Tom, once you calm down I suggest writing your governor and state legislature--Democrats all. Avoid using allcaps, bold text, italics, and the hyperbole you seem fond of.
The people of California and their chosen Democratic Party representatives are free to fund higher education to whatever degree they see fit. And they have been for decades.
FACTS! Facts! Facts! FACTS!
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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^^^ Same reason Pelosi won't yield to younger more attractive Dems: EGO
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zBrown
Ice climber
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There is no free lunch?
Seems to be an ongoing topic of (x)conversation
So as I recall, in my last undergraduate year at the University of California fees were about $81/qtr. I had a couple thousand dollar NDEA loan (interest free until you got out of graduate school and then 3%) and I lived in a student co-op which required about 10 hours of work a week.
So it was not luxurious, but comfortable and easily managed.
$243/yr in fees seems almost free to me.
I guess I owe Edmund G. 'Pat' Brown (not my daddy) and Jesse 'Big Daddy' Unruh a debt of gratitude
What does Donny The court Trumpster owe his daddy
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2018 - 04:28pm PT
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I suggest writing your governor and state legislature--Democrats all.
Another false statement, coming from what appears to be an FSB-controlled propaganda bot.
For the record, exactly one half of the California governors since 1981 - three out of six - have been Republicans, not Democrats. Over the past 100 years, 11 out of 16 (69%) of California's governors have been Republicans.
At no time, as in NEVER, has either the California state assembly, or the California state senate, been populated solely by members from a single political party.
Information technology has been weaponized with the goal of artificially affecting the outcomes of elections worldwide. A related goal is to engender public mistrust of the government, and foment citizens' mistrust of each other.
America is currently under attack by a foreign enemy engaged in Psychological Operations (PSY-OPS) against the nation. President Trump is engaged in his own brand of Psy-Ops against the nation, which has the effect of aiding and abetting the enemy's Psy-Ops. That is the very definition of treason.
The digitally-launched cyber operations want to divide the nation, polarize us, and destroy the integral, coherent strength of the nation that has traditionally been what made America great. The foreign enemy is attempting to divide the nation, in order to make us easier to attack. Trump's continual lies, and his attempts to decree an alternative reality, empower the foreign enemy.
Red Chinese hats displaying a MAGA platitude are not going to offset the current attacks on America. Trump's MAGA hats are part of the problem. They lull wearers into a false sense of national pride, as if the president was a competent and patriotic defender of the Constitution.
Here's something for the GOP to embrace. It's a variation on events from the 1980s, updated to reflect changing times.
The New President of the NRA is Oliver North
Weapon availability will be financed by drug sales operations conducted within the United States. Oxycontin and fentany - not cocaine - will be the cash cows this time around.
As a bonus, adverse foreign interference in a sovereign nation's domestic affairs (ours) will also be part of the current events.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Happy Monday!
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